The Biggest Poker FU of my life

Fatboydim

This is a very difficult post for me to write and I didn't think I was going to do it... But here it goes.

I won my seat to the WSOP on Stars. Now flights, hotel costs etc have gone up significantly this year and the extra 1K just doesn't cut it. I also can't take advantage of the extra 1K for wearing Pokerstars gear because of my association with PPP which is fare enough. So I decided if I was gonna go I would have to qualify again or at least raise another 5k or so. [Because I want the familly to come as well]

I was just shy $150 or so of a buy in to a sat and decided to deposit the amount via CC given that I had already cashed out 1k by bank draft and 10k by cheque. Only as I went to deposit a pop up informed me that I could cancel the pendink 10k cash out.

So what did I do? I cancelled it.... Needless to say I didn't win the sat and I was now down $150. So instead of scratching around for this 150 I decided I'd go play some cash. By the end of Saturday I was playing $25 / $50 when I usually never play cash and if I do it's anything from 50 / 1 - 3/6. I was up three grand and thought ... hey I might be able to get the money this way. So on Sunday i went back to these limits and got murdered.

I no longer have my WSOP buy in.

My point in posting this is two fold.

1st it serves as a big warning not to play above your comfort zone. They could smell my fear.

2nd - I think that pop up on stars should be banned. Surely if a player decides to cash out that should be a done deal... Not learn five days later that the money is still in the account and available to play with.

I have messed up big style. I've been on to Stars about this pop up as I don't think it's neccessary, but quite frankly I don't think they'll change it.

You can cancel cash outs on other sites, but have to jump through a few hoops to do so.

Idiots like me have to be protected after all.

5starpool

Ouch. I have never qualified online for a live tournie, but I thought you did not have the option of cashing out your seat?

BigCityBanker

honest post, ul.

Get your ass in gear and qualify again.

Ste05

Difficult post to submit I'm sure, although I'd say you've learned your lesson pretty scary stuff and a good warning to others.

AFAIK, Stars now have pretty good protections for playing Levels etc. you can set levels that your not allowed to play above. I'm suprised the money was still in your account after 5 days, whenever I cash out from Stars (to Neteller mind you) it's usually in my Neteller account in a matter of hours.

I've also never qualified for a Live event on-line before either, do you just get cash into your account instead of them paying you in? I always thought they bought you in and gave you your expenses into your account.

Fatboydim

5starpool wrote:

Ouch. I have never qualified online for a live tournie, but I thought you did not have the option of cashing out your seat?

That's another point as well.. According to Harrah's they cannot accept buy ins from US operators. So that's why it's cash. I do think it will seriously affect the numbers this year.

What really annoys me though is that had that pop up not given me the option of cancelling the check I'd only be a couple of hundred down instead of thousands. I do have Neteller but haven't set it up properly, which is why I opted for the cheque.

smurph

Tough spot Len and a very honost post. TBH I think that alot of people have dabbled in games way above their limits. I haven't done it online, but i have been spotted sitting at the €100 omaha game in the Fitz,

It was as you said a big wake up call....... you tested the water and it was very f*ckin deep and full of sharks......

Lesson learn't, chin up..

loosecannon

Hi mate

That's horrible... v ul, I have been there many a time myself, My bankroll management is questionable sometimes to say the least and it's something i'm trying to work on a lot...

A few examples of when i've done this before might ease your pain, i've done this a couple of time on Full Tilt, turned a $200 deposit into anywhere between $5k and $15k and gone from playing .50/$1 up to $10/$20 within a week, and then and gone and burned it all. I've really tried to stop doing this and i'm getting a lot better

But as recently as a couple of months ago I did it on Ladbrokes with a big bet I won, I had €250 on Ireland to qualify from their group in the Cricket World Cup @ 33/1, which got me €8k ish, i started playing some 2/4 (not a poker site i usually have any of my BR on) and was quickly up to €11k, then i won the $100 sat into my $1,400 qualifier. I preceeded to win my WSOP seat in the morning and then spunk the €11k playing 5/10 and 15/30 etc!! this was the same day as i won my seat!! how i wish i left it for the day

just to show that every cloud has a silver lining, despite my ladbrokes account being at 0, they then transferred me the $2k for the wsop expenses etc and within a month or so i got that up to $20 oddk and saw some sense and took it out. (i'm hoping the same will happen for you and you get another wsop seat very soon)

hope that any of this rambling helps

gl mate

Flipper

That's terrible news Len. I really hope you bounce back from it and make it over anyway. Consider it an expensive lesson i guess...

Fatboydim

The wife's not divorcing me... That's a bonus

Thanks guys...The lesson is deffo learnt... But what about that pop up? Should a cash out request be a done deal. It is on most sites.

dacman

I think the fact that you can cancel a withdrawel isnt right. Maybe for an hour or so incase you make a mistake but 5 days is bad.. Pokerstars really need to change this. I've had problems cashing out on poker stars before where I couldn't cash out for 72 hours after making a deposit. I realise they may be fraud implications but surely not when its just tournanments.

Bandana boy

loosecannon wrote:

, My bankroll management is questionable sometimes to say the least

A graph of Loosecannons BR

DeVore

I hate to say it but I think you stopped your own cash out and then took it upon yourself to spin that money up. I dont really see how Stars did anything wrong....

On a personal note, its going to suck not having you out there.

DeV.

loosecannon

how did you hack in to my P/L chart on my poker tracker bandana boy?? lol

it's not quite that bad, the peaks aren't as big as on that rollercoaster!

Fatboydim

DeVore wrote:

I hate to say it but I think you stopped your own cash out and then took it upon yourself to spin that money up. I dont really see how Stars did anything wrong....

On a personal note, its going to suck not having you out there.

DeV.

Had I just done the cash out an hour or so before I think you'd be right DeV. But I couldn't believe the pop up five days later.. However of course the loss is down to me. I just don't think it's very responsible of Stars. ho say they promote responsible gaming. We all know people who have a problem, I don't think I have as I only play with what I can afford to lose, and this loss hurt but at least I was losing winnings and not the bread money - and after all this was supposed to be a ticket to the WSOP. So to me it seems like -

Yeah we promote responsible gaming... What's that you want $150 from your CC ?- never mind that we'll cancel your cheque and save you a few bob so you can come play more.

Stars say this is to advantage their players I think it's an advantage to them.

Spilt milk and everything But I was surprised when it came up at all...

Marq

As I understand it you had cashed out but then wished to redeposit the 150?
And stars very nicely told you that you had a cashout pending and that you could cancel it and not have to redeposit?
and you could have immediately requested another cashout for 9850 seconds later?

I don't think there's anything irresponsible about what stars have done here. they've basically seen you try to redeposit and offered to save you the trouble.

5starpool

The main problem seems to be the 5 day period between requesting cashout and being allowed to cancel it.

Ste05

I must say if the pop-up happened to me I'd be thinking of it from a completely different angle. I'd actually be pissed that they hadn't processed my cashout yet, and certainly wouldn't cancel it if this is how long those cheques take to process because I wouldn't want to re-start the process.

Seriously 5 days sounds like an eternity to me for a Stars cashout.

Hectorjelly

Ste05 wrote:

I must say if the pop-up happened to me I'd be thinking of it from a completely different angle. I'd actually be pissed that they hadn't processed my cashout yet, and certainly wouldn't cancel it if this is how long those cheques take to process because I wouldn't want to re-start the process.

Seriously 5 days sounds like an eternity to me for a Stars cashout.

Nit! Why not play some 100/100 omaha?

Ste05

Hectorjelly wrote:

Nit! Why not play some 100/100 omaha?

Sorry, yeah of course that would be my first instinct after my anger subsided somewhat, I always forget these options when I post... :rolleyes:

phantom_lord

i never understood why people have such a big discipline problem online, why people jump up levels where they're clearly gonna lose money and all that sort of stuff. I'd be more pissed if stars wouldn't let me have control of my own cash.

Fatboydim

Marq wrote:

As I understand it you had cashed out but then wished to redeposit the 150?
And stars very nicely told you that you had a cashout pending and that you could cancel it and not have to redeposit?
and you could have immediately requested another cashout for 9850 seconds later?

I don't think there's anything irresponsible about what stars have done here. they've basically seen you try to redeposit and offered to save you the trouble.

Of course that would have been the sensible thing to do:rolleyes:

But if I wanted to cancel my cheque, surely I could have enquired about this. The pop up only happens once you've input all your cc details.

I just think it's uneccessary.

Chucky the tree

Fatboydim wrote:

The wife's divorcing me... That's a bonus

FYP.

Hectorjelly

Fatboydim wrote:

I just think it's uneccessary.

Is pokerstars,

a) A poker site that makes money from people playing poker ... or
b) a charity

Macspower

Hectorjelly wrote:

Is pokerstars,

a) A poker site that makes money from people playing poker ... or
b) a charity

didn't know that word was in your vocabulary??



I don't think you can put any blame on the site but I do feel for you.... terrible situation to get into....

anyway chin up...... and you definately seem like a very cabable player... lesson learnt... at least it was money u won that you lost..... worse if it was money for something else or someone elses money....

Mac

Doc Farrell

Sorry to hear that you lost the buyin len. Try to think of it as your top full house beaten by quads on the first day of the tourney. At least you never got to see the cash.

why don't you take a full break from the game for a month or two, until after the WSOP is over?
you'll only be playing slightly pisssed off.

strewelpeter

Tough post to write, wp.
Just by writing it and maybe taking an attitude like Doc suggests you will be well on the way to seeing this as just a setback.

hotspur

Having a reminder for someone depositing that there is a pending withdrawal seems to me to be a good feature for players, withdrawing $10k and depositing $150 is a highly unusual situation. The 5 day thing must be down to either the fact that it was $10k or that it was a WSOP satellite, it wouldn't usually take that long to process a few grand to a recognised customer, so again it seems like an unusual situation.

So I have to say I don't think it really smacks of a lack of responsible gambling policy. Stars protect you a lot more than most poker sites. I'd say it's more that you are projecting your anger. I'm sorry to hear you blew the cash, most of us have been there, count yourself lucky you're not a big cash game player. Take the family somewhere that doesn't cost $10k for you to play a lottery instead and enjoy it

MrPillowTalk

Think thats a bit out of order giving him the needle PL.

mewso

Sorry to hear this Len but hey I'll be there and so far with no ticket so see you in the bar.

Fatboydim

hotspur wrote:

So I have to say I don't think it really smacks of a lack of responsible gambling policy. Stars protect you a lot more than most poker sites. I'd say it's more that you are projecting your anger.

You don't know me very well do you? My attitude to the thing has been very much along the lines Des has suggested. Ater all I'm still up on where I was two weeks ago. It's why I could never earn my living by poker alone. I wouldn't want the stress of Variance. You have to laugh really and it is only money. My kids aren't going hungry, the bills aren't going unpaid, though - don'tget me wrong - I could have done with that money.

So I wouldn't say I'm proecting anger... But I do feel that if I could stop someone else doing the daft thing I did then at least something good comes out of it. That's been the point of this post. If it encourages better bank roll management from me and others then great.

So loking at thesituation in a cold practical manner:

I request a cash out for 10k
I have only two options to do so as anything over 1k cannot be drawn back to my bank card - cheque or Neteller.
My Neteller hasn't yet been linked to my physical bank acc so I choose "check". It informs me that this can take up to 15 days to arrive.
It asks if I am sure. I click yes.

I expect that to be a done deal.

5 days later I want to deposit €150.
I go through putting in all the usual details and at the point of pressing submit, instead of submitting a pop up informs me I have a check pending and can cancel it.

So is that pop up neccessary? Does their systems have to be that slow? Is that serving me as a player? Why five days? [I suspect that has to do with high interest banking]

I take a 100% responsibility for my loses and always will. I haven't even bothered mentioning the BB. That's poker.

But I limit my deposits to Stars to no more than $500 a month. That works for me. I would expect a cash out to be binding once you click submit. So that from that moment the money no longer shows in the account it is no longer in the account.

That to me seems responsible.

Not everyone who reads or posts on here is a winner. The best quote I ever read on here was when MrPillowtalk was in the well - To the question of hether or not he would ever turn Pro he answered:

I know many millionaire builders. I don't know many millionaire poker players.

As HJ points out - Stars is there for Stars and to make money.

Stars gets very little criticism on here. It's a great site for sure. But compare the noise to when something goes wrong with PPP.

But I know which I think has the better customer service.

DeVore

The point here is, nothing did go wrong. Their system did exactly what it said on the box to be fair.

DeV.

Fatboydim

DeVore wrote:

The point here is, nothing did go wrong. Their system did exactly what it said on the box to be fair.

DeV.

So if there was a campaign for the removal of that pop up you would be voting for the pop up to stay?

El Stuntman

Fatboydim wrote:

As HJ points out - Stars is there for Stars and to make money.

Stars gets very little criticism on here. It's a great site for sure. But compare the noise to when something goes wrong with PPP.

But I know which I think has the better customer service.

I'm sorry you lost the $10k but it's your own fault. I admire your honesty in posting about it though.

but...the stuff above is a pile of horse manure (as George Hook might say)

you're associated with PPP which makes you a vested interest and you are spinning your own story into some kind of 'PPP has great customer service' line?
give us a break please, to paraphrase HJ, 'PPP is there for PPP'

David Michael

I prefer Dougee19's story as ripped from his blog...

dougee19 blog wrote:

Friday, May 11, 2007
okay, one of my worst days ever
-$5200 from full tilt
and -€350 from eyes

it all started with one disgusting call on full tilt, where this retard hit a 2/3 outer after calling 900 for no good reason, that put me down 1k, which wasnt horrible, but in no way was good.
then under the stupid guidance i went and played in a different internet cafe, where i ALWAYS lose, tend to tilt more there for some reason....
so i go in there, in less than 30 minutes....
4k blown....
and the ****ing reason i even had that much money is because full tilt wouldnt let me withdraw, totally retarded

copy of email i just sent.
"now you see this is complete ****, i have lost over $5000 there,i wanted to ****ing withdraw money so i could have some because im ****iung broke
you and your piece of **** site is a disgrace, i not have no ****ing money and i ****ing hate your piece of **** site.
**** you!!!!"
so will probably get banned but i pleaded with them to just let me withdraw money so i wouldnt blow it all like i just ****ing did

this means that the challenge means a LOT to me, so its going to ****ing happen!!!!

im starting taking my money from my bank and putting it into my neteller account, cant get it straight in for some reason, so will have to do it through a site....
so when the money is in, and i have poker tracker downloaded,
IT IS ****ING ON!!!!!!!!!

You should consider copying his mail and sending it to Stars Dim

/wanders off to write email to iPoker about letting me play twisted!

Fatboydim

LOL David. Nice post.

Stunty... I'm simply pointing out that it seems as if Stars can do no wrong according to most posters here. Whereas PPP gets alot of flak.

Some of that Flak may well be deserved. And I persoanlly am fully prepared for the slagging I would get for losing a lot of money.

But IMHO PPP has better customer service... and in particular a good relationship with this forum.

I cannot recall anyone from Stars ever posting on this forum or setting up Tourneys for people on this forum. Correct me if I'm wrong.

And please seperate problems with Ipoker from problems with PPP.

HJ's paraphrase is funny though :-)

Hitchhiker's Guide to...

Must say that I feel Fatboydim has a good point here. Not so much in that Pokerstars is absolutely wrong per se - some people seem to think that this particular service from Pokerstars is good - but, in that I wouldn't want to play on a site that allows me to indulge my excesses to this degree. When I want a cash-out, as Fatboy wanted, I want it to be done when I ask for it. Why does it take 15 days to cash out, and yet Pokerstars still have the money after 5 days?

To all of you who can control the tiltmonkey then fine, but some of us want a service that allows us to pre-control for possible negative outcomes.

There are many aspects in our lives where we are afraid that we might not be in control, so we try to put in some automated controls to prevent us making mistakes. For example, leaving the credit card at home when we go for a big night out to prevent excessive cash withdrawals.

Pokerstars, in this case, seems to be playing on this lack of control. Fatboydim is just pointing out that it was a real issue for him.

I don't think pious preaching along the lines of "look at me, i'm great, I don't have this problem" is helpful or even polite.

Imagine you were walking down the street and someone who was trying to run across the road gets knocked down by a car. Would you go up to them and say "you know, I only cross at green lights, and I never get knocked down, you should try that the next time"?

David Michael

Roundtower2 wrote:

Must say that i feel Fatboydim has a good point here. Not so much in that Pokerstars is wrong per se - some people seem to think that this particular service from Pokerstars is good - but, in that i wouldn't want to play on a site that allows me to indulge my excesses to this degree. When i want a cash-out, as Fatboy wanted, i want it to be done when i ask for it. Why does it take 15 days to cash out, and yet Pokerstars still have the money after 5 days?

To all of you who can control the tiltmonkey then fine, but some of us want a service that allows us to pre-control for possible negative outcomes. E.g. leaving the credit card at home when we go for a big night out to prevent excessive cash withdrawals.

There are many aspects in our lives where we are afraid that we might not be in control, so we try to put in some automated controls to prevent us making mistakes. Pokerstars, in this case, seems to be playing on this lack of control. Fatboydim is just pointing out that it was a real issue for him.

I don't think pious preaching along the lines of "look at me, i'm great, i don't have this problem" is helpful or even polite.

Imagine you were walking down the street and someone who was trying to run across the road gets knocked down by a car. Would you go up to them and say "you know, i only cross at green lights, and i never get knocked down"?

I was only having a giggle RT. I thought Dougee19's rant rocked

I actually agree with it being "strange/hmmm" that you can cancel the transaction after 5 days (working days?) Within 12-24 hours I'd understand but after 2+ days it is a bit of a p1sstake. But that is more from a financial point of view rather than what happens to the money after it has been canceled.

What if you clicked yes in error? Is it another 15 days again? It might seem highly unlikely that you would make such an error but then again I didn't mean to go all in with 73o the other night while surfing/emailing.

In saying that PS are here to make money and until a fuss is kicked up over things like interest, not a lot is ever going to happen. As it stand banks ride us daily and I can't see why other money making industries would do different.

I still PS regardless. But why do I pay stamp duty for having a CC?

Hitchhiker's Guide to...

not aimed at you David Michael* - the Dougee19 rant is a classic!

*aimed at people like Phantom_Lord

califano

Fatboydim wrote:

By the end of Saturday I was playing $25 / $50

Len mrs dim loves you because she loves the bad boy!.

Bandana boy

I think people are being a little unfair with Dim here
He fully accepts that he lost the money and not Stars
he is questioning wether after a player made a decision to withdraw an amount should he 5 days later be was able to cancel this decision and have the cash in seconds

I think this is wrong myself there should be like a 12 hours window to reverse withdrawals after that they should be in system and for all intensive purposes a finished transaction
but then thats only an opinion

Jools Poker

Len I really feel for you -this is a horrible thing to happen and all too easily done. I had a similar situation happen with neteller not so long ago. After hitting a tourney online I decided to withdraw the vast majority (ca 2500)into my neteller account with the ecaxt intention being NOT to leave it in my account where I could very easily blow it (i'd been there before...and thought i'd learnt my lesson!) I had been playing on ppp and didn't request a cheque as it'd take a few days to arrive and then clear and I thought neteller would be faster (money..burning..hole..pocket:) ). They had just discontinued the neteller card so immediate withdrawal was not an option. Instead I said I'd transfer the whole lot to my bank account so I wouldn't be tempted to put it back onto any site. I went thru the whole process only to be told at the end that the transfer could take a few days to bo processed and until then the money would remain in my account and was asked to ensure the money would be in the account in the course of the next few days to allow the transfer. Immediate alarm bells...no julie just pretend you didn't read that, pretend your neteller account balance is zero....don't listen to the devil on your shoulder laughing away at the prospect of challenging you to leave the money there (btw the amount is considerable for me and I had a very definitive plan for it!) Needless to say I blew what i had in my ppp account and being annoyed withmyself and wanting to undo the damage I opened up neteller and there was my balance...staring at me..ready for action. And away we went...no need to elaborate further I'm sure you can guess the outcome. I think I hit a new point in disgust with myself on that occasion...br mgmt has never been my strongpoint but that day I realised that unless I could become master of my own fortune by not allowing myself to do things which i KNOW are going to lead to brokedom then there was no point playing....had I requested a cheque from ppp the money would have immediately and irretrieveably left my account and I knew that so really I know that it was my own indiscipline that led to my loss. I still struggle with br mgmt but I also still feel the anger I felt with myself that time. Various sites/online financial options I use have varying degrees of facilitating or hampering this kinda blowup but the thing is i know this and i also know my own weaknesses...ultimately it's down to me to safeguard my br from myself!
and that is an ongoing battle...:)

5starpool

Jools Poker wrote:

brokedom

I think I am getting towards this inevitable point myself, especially with a strategically inserted space in that word.

Jools Poker

btw what i wrote above is not the biggest poker FU of my life ( that is way too traumatic for me to talk about yet:( ) but I do think it could spawn a very entertaining/interesting and maybe even educational :eek: thread were it to record what people consider.."the biggest poker FU of my life" ??

Fatboydim

Nice post Julie. Thank you.

Jools Poker

5starpool wrote:

I think I am getting towards this inevitable point myself, especially with a strategically inserted space in that word.

lol yeah brokedom's not much fun...:)

smurph

Well, after reading Jools and Lens article I have decided to post mine..........

My biggest Poker FU was for a couple of months after my mam passed away......I lost I would say about €15K over the 4 month period.

My mam became ill in 1998 with Cancer and had 2.5 years of chemo and and eventually passed away in St. Francis Hospice in June 2001. It was a relief in the end that she passed away and the staff in the hospital were brillant. So then the grieving process began. I found it hard to come home to the house at night. Then I found myself going into the Fitz 3 - 4 times a week, then up to 5 nights a week. It started badly effecting me at work.. You can't live on 3 hours sleep and expect to work a full day. Also I started to go drinking after work more and more and then heading to the Fitz with a cunning plan.. It came to a head one evening when I nearly crashed my car going home, after a night in the Fitz and a full day at work. Apparently I had a cunning plan that I could drive the car with my eyelids closed.

I was lucky in the fact that it was a severe wake up call for me. I gave up playing cards for couple of months, got my sh*t together, reduced to playing cards mainly at weekends, and worked very hard on My Bankroll Management

It was a time in my life where it could have swung one way or another. I look back now at that period of my life and realise how lucky I was not to get myself into an even bigger hole..

If this thread teaches us anything it is "Be honost to the people close to you but above all be honost to yourself".

hotspur

Roundtower2 wrote:

Not so much in that Pokerstars is absolutely wrong per se - some people seem to think that this particular service from Pokerstars is good - but, in that I wouldn't want to play on a site that allows me to indulge my excesses to this degree.

To be fair Pokerstars does not encourage excesses. If you want to deposit money into Stars today the limit will be $600, $2000 for a month. If you want to compare that to PPP (I'm not bashing them, Len was comparing them), you could deposit $10,750 in a day. Because of Stars's deposit limits it would take you 6 months to deposit what you could deposit in PPP in 6 seconds.

PPP also has the feature which will alert you that you can cancel a withdrawal if you are depositing. With Stars on the actual lobby screen you can request to be excluded from playing from 1 day-180 days. They are about to introduce self imposed deposit limits too beyond their normal stringent ones.

Credit where credit is due, Stars are as good as they come with these measures.

However the more I've thought about the specific issue and read other testimonials the more I'm coming around to thinking that maybe when you request a withdrawal it should be totally irreversible. This is not included as even a recommendation from, say, eCOGRA.

Fatboydim

hotspur wrote:

To be fair Pokerstars does not encourage excesses. If you want to deposit money into Stars today the limit will be $600, $2000 for a month. If you want to compare that to PPP (I'm not bashing them, Len was comparing them), you could deposit $10,750 in a day. Because of Stars's deposit limits it would take you 6 months to deposit what you could deposit in PPP in 6 seconds.

PPP also has the feature which will alert you that you can cancel a withdrawal if you are depositing. With Stars on the actual lobby screen you can request to be excluded from playing from 1 day-180 days. They are about to introduce self imposed deposit limits too beyond their normal stringent ones.

Credit where credit is due, Stars are as good as they come with these measures.

However the more I've thought about the specific issue and read other testimonials the more I'm coming around to thinking that maybe when you request a withdrawal it should be totally irreversible. This is not included as even a recommendation from, say, eCOGRA.

Good points. On PPP I usually cash out back to my bank account so it's instantly taken, but takes a few days to turn up.

And yes Stars are generally good... Which is why I think your last paragraph would be a good thing for them and all sites to adopt. My proposal to Stars was that they should remove the pop up and if people want to stop cheques being sent out they can do so through customer services. That way it would stop the spur of the moment, knee jerk, tilt monster, drink monster moments that we are all sometimes prone to.

cooker3

Fatboydim wrote:

My proposal to Stars was that they should remove the pop up and if people want to stop cheques being sent out they can do so through customer services. That way it would stop the spur of the moment, knee jerk, tilt monster, drink monster moments that we are all sometimes prone to.

It is bad of me to want them to keep that for this reason alone

David Michael

cooker3 wrote:

It is bad of me to want them to keep that for this reason alone

Good point...

:eek:

BigDragon

smurph wrote:

Well, after reading Jools and Lens article I have decided to post mine..........

My biggest Poker FU was for a couple of months after my mam passed away......I lost I would say about €15K over the 4 month period.

My mam became ill in 1998 with Cancer and had 2.5 years of chemo and and eventually passed away in St. Francis Hospice in June 2001. It was a relief in the end that she passed away and the staff in the hospital were brillant. So then the grieving process began. I found it hard to come home to the house at night. Then I found myself going into the Fitz 3 - 4 times a week, then up to 5 nights a week. It started badly effecting me at work.. You can't live on 3 hours sleep and expect to work a full day. Also I started to go drinking after work more and more and then heading to the Fitz with a cunning plan.. It came to a head one evening when I nearly crashed my car going home, after a night in the Fitz and a full day at work. Apparently I had a cunning plan that I could drive the car with my eyelids closed.

smurph wrote:

I was lucky in the fact that it was a severe wake up call for me. I gave up playing cards for couple of months, got my sh*t together, reduced to playing cards mainly at weekends, and worked very hard on My Bankroll Management

It was a time in my life where it could have swung one way or another. I look back now at that period of my life and realise how lucky I was not to get myself into an even bigger hole..

If this thread teaches us anything it is "Be honost to the people close to you but above all be honost to yourself".