People with a X car is crap attitude

craichoe

Seriously, I've seen a few people on here dissing a car because of its name ?

I mean . Why .. I don't get it, theres no basis for it.

VW is better than Skoda and Audi is better than VW ? I mean, you idiots really have fallen for the brand game.

Tesco do the exact same thing and its why they make so much money, its off idiots like you ! i.e. selling products under different brands to target all markets.

Its the same as a person buying a Dell over Apple, A MacBook pro comes off the EXACT same production line as a Dell Latitude, their manufactured by Quantas, they just tool up to produce a different laptop in a day. Dell make money on Volume, Apple make money on Margin / Lower Volume.

Next time i hear someone say, OH .. OH MY GOD .. Its a Skoda, haha ...

Yes .. Buy a brand new car .. for your .. err .. image.. lose 10% of the Value when you drive it out of the showroom. Pay the overhead for a different Badge

Opel Vs Chevrolet Vs Saab Vauxhall ?
VW Vs Seat Vs Audi Vs Skoda
Toyota and Lexus

Yes .. Yes .. Car manufacturers are Laughing all the way to the bank, selling you the same stuff with different names .. Excellent

whippet

mmmmhhhh ... a little blinkered is your view i think !!

MacPros are made in Holyhill in Cork, I have no idea where the Dell desktops are made .. so that puts a spanner in that argument.

With regards to motors, your attitude probably does not fit well in this forum as it is frequented by people who a passionate about cars see other values as opposed to the car getting from A to B.

My preference for a car is .. performance, spec level and comfort in that order. My wife's preference would be reliability, spec level, comfort, performance.

Everyones tastes and budgets are different which would explain why there is such an array of motors out there to choose from.

As for buying a car and loosing money straight away ... I don't see it like that. I buy a car for the price it is and the cost is the difference between purchase and reselling price. Personally I do like to pay a premium for a car that I know is new, I am the first driver, I know it's history and I dictate its service schedules and how it's driven. Others prefer to buy 10 year old luxuary cars .. therefore getting all the trappings of a top spec with out the price but sacrificing the newer technology, warranties and definitive history.

Branding has been around in the car industry since it's inception and I don't think your post (rant) counters any marketplace experience out there. Unless you are suggesting that anyone who purchases either a new or anything but the cheapest car out there is an idiot and only you and you alone has any sense.

ninty9er

Dell laptops are finished in Raheen and Apple in Cork as previously stated....plus a Lexus is DEFINITIVELY more refined than a Toyota...the VAG cars probably not so much and as for a Merc these days you'd be better of with a Lada

Stark

craichoe wrote:

Tesco do the exact same thing and its why they make so much money, its off idiots like you ! i.e. selling products under different brands to target all markets.

I don't know about you, but I wouldn't eat Tesco value food, regardless of whether someone's laughing behind my back or not.

cold_filter

Tesco value orange juice! the only exception!

Fey!

Any chance that this thread is further trolling in the motors forum?

bjmotors

craichoe wrote:

Seriously, I've seen a few people on here dissing a car because of its name ?

I mean . Why .. I don't get it, theres no basis for it.

VW is better than Skoda and Audi is better than VW ? I mean, you idiots really have fallen for the brand game.

Tesco do the exact same thing and its why they make so much money, its off idiots like you ! i.e. selling products under different brands to target all markets.

Its the same as a person buying a Dell over Apple, A MacBook pro comes off the EXACT same production line as a Dell Latitude, their manufactured by Quantas, they just tool up to produce a different laptop in a day. Dell make money on Volume, Apple make money on Margin / Lower Volume.

Next time i hear someone say, OH .. OH MY GOD .. Its a Skoda, haha ...

Yes .. Buy a brand new car .. for your .. err .. image.. lose 10% of the Value when you drive it out of the showroom. Pay the overhead for a different Badge

Opel Vs Chevrolet Vs Saab Vauxhall ?
VW Vs Seat Vs Audi Vs Skoda
Toyota and Lexus

Yes .. Yes .. Car manufacturers are Laughing all the way to the bank, selling you the same stuff with different names .. Excellent

emm right, whatever your on about...:rolleyes:

you obviously dont realise that some cars are better than others?

why do you think some cars are dearer than others? :cool:

answer= because their better cars. no offence but you must be stupid if ya think all cars are built to the same spec, quality and reliability.

lol:rolleyes:

Gatster

Its the same as a person buying a Dell over Apple, A MacBook pro comes off the EXACT same production line as a Dell Latitude

Slightly OT, but here goes. Seeing as I know quite a lot about this as it's part of my job, I'd be careful who you call an idiot. Until quite recently, Dell and Apple didn't even use the same chip manufacturer, and then Dell started to use AMD as well. If you hadn't noticed, often people buy Mac's because they like the OS, which isn't Windows, by the way.

Dell manufacture in Raheen, Limerick, and Lodz, Poland*. They don't make anything for anybody else in these locations unlike...(Google 'Dell business model')

...A Bentley Continental shares various bits and bobs with a Phaeton, but do you seriously expect someone who has enough money to buy the Bentley not to because of it's DNA or the mechanical similarities with the VW, i.e. just because the VW is cheaper?

I'll take an RS4 over any VW or Skoda any day, and it's f@ck all to do with the badge :rolleyes:

*= EMEA region

Anan1

Gatster wrote:

I'll take an RS4 over any VW or Skoda any day, and it's f@ck all to do with the badge :rolleyes:

How about a Passat TDI? I hear the 130 is a beast to go.

mike65

Stop that!

Mike.

prospect

Although I think the OP is exagerrating and possibly trolling, he/she does have some degree of foundation to their statement.

However this:

bjmotors wrote:

why do you think some cars are dearer than others?

answer= because their better cars.

made me laugh. If you believe this you really are a naive person.

I'll give you an example, the cheapest 'BMW' X3 is €57K, and it is a total heap of KAK

Gatster

Originally Posted by Anan1
How about a Passat TDI? I hear the 130 is a beast to go.

No No No - From the Skoda blurb on the new Fabia:

The engine choice will have you purring too. The new Fabia features 4 petrol and 3 diesel engines, 5 of which are brand new. The petrol engines start with a very capable 1.2 6v 60bhp and go right up to a 1.6 16v 105bhp 6-speed tiptronic – the only 6-speed tiptronic currently available in the Small Car sector

Ooooo, I'm lightheaded and salivating at the prospect of my 6-Speed tiptronic Fabia. I've asked if I can have a special order 6-Speed tiptronic with the 1.2 16v so I can rag the b@llocks off it in the Superquinn car-park. This has excited me so much I've cancelled that order on a Sprint Blue 420hp RS4. I mean, they're effectively the same car

zilog_jones

whippet wrote:

MacPros are made in Holyhill in Cork, I have no idea where the Dell desktops are made .. so that puts a spanner in that argument.

A lot of Dells - desktops, laptops and servers - are assembled in Raheen, Limerick. So there. Oh wait, someone already said that...

I kinda get where the OP is coming from but he's going about it completely arseways. For example the 4 Volkswagen Group brands. IMO I don't see the point in VWs these days - you're pretty much paying extra just for the brand, a brand that aren't as respectable as they once were in terms of reliability and whatever. I'd buy a Skoda over a VW any day. But the Seat and Audi brands are clearly there for different purposes and sell quite different products - Seats are like more sporty looking and stuff (well, some of them), and Audi are clearly for the more upmarket stuff, especially with the likes of the A8 - Skoda and Seat don't make a similar car, and about 5 people have bought a Phaeton apparently. All VG cars may share parts and stuff, but they're by no means all the same thing - except for the VW Caddy and Seat Inca which are fookin identical!

Opel Vs Chevrolet Vs Saab Vauxhall

The "Chevrolets" we get here are Daewoos - they share very little in common with proper European GM cars. Saab again are clearly aimed at a different market, and despite sharing GM components and platforms they are still largely a different company. Vauxhall is just a region-specific brand - they're not competing with Opel at all in any way.

There are some cases were the branding gets completely retarded, like the Mk IV. Ford Fiesta and the Mazda 121 sold at the same time - besides some bits of plastic they were identical cars, both made in Dagenham in England. Anyone who prefers one of those over the other* seriously needs their head examined.

*I know there were different trim levels, and I don't think the Mazda got the 1.4 and some other engines, but I'm talking comparing say two identical spec cars.

craichoe

ninty9er wrote:

Dell laptops are finished in Raheen and Apple in Cork as previously stated....plus a Lexus is DEFINITIVELY more refined than a Toyota...the VAG cars probably not so much and as for a Merc these days you'd be better of with a Lada

MacPros are assembled in Hollyhill in Cork, xServes too although this will be phased out soon enough.

MacBook Pro, Previously Powerbook are Manufactured by various outsourced manufacturers, Quantas and now Asustek manfacture them also.

Basically the cheapest ass manufacturer they could find.

And how am i trolling .. its true ! ..

One thing i will say for the Irish, for some reason the consensus is that if it costs more its must be better, hence why we've over inflated prices on everything, from houses to digital cameras !

r3nu4l

Like zilog_jones I agree with the OP to some extent. If you compare like-with-like, in some cases you really are paying more for the brand.

However that has always been the case all over the world so I see little point with the rant. The same goes for hooded tops, jeans, womens handbags...basically anything with a brand name or an image. It's the way of the world and if the OP can't accept that then that's cool. He will just have to accept that many people buy into this. Just because they do doesn't mean he has to.

Terrontress

People love brands. It is a sign of success that you can fork out a few more grand for an A3 instead of a Golf.

If you go into Brown Thomas and look at some of the clothes for sale, the prices would shock you. But people get value from that.

My father has a Rolex. The guy who services it told him that the fake ones keep the time better than the real ones as they have a battery operated quartz mechanism instead of Rolex's self winding mechanism. Nevertheless, he is happier to have the real thing instead of an identical looking watch that tells the time better.

Marcus.Aurelius

I suppose its sad in a way that a lot of people (present company excepted) drive a number-plate rather than a car. Those of us who love the driving experience, are not so bothered by brand names or number plates, but rather the car itself. I drive a Lexus LS400, not because it's an expensive or sought after car; but because I wanted that car in particular. It's a 98, bought recently enough, so I can't be accused of buying brand new (silly idea) just for the number plate.

However Lexus is better than Toyota, they're still made in Japan and Toyota build them to a higher spec, so they have to be better. I wouldn't agree with people who buy a brand new LS400 just for the badge or the number plate, you gotta love the car first.

DonJose

I drive a VW but I'd consider buying a Skoda after seeing their new ad on tv. At least with a Skoda, if it breaks down you can eat it

craichoe

Gatster wrote:

Slightly OT, but here goes. Seeing as I know quite a lot about this as it's part of my job, I'd be careful who you call an idiot. Until quite recently, Dell and Apple didn't even use the same chip manufacturer, and then Dell started to use AMD as well. If you hadn't noticed, often people buy Mac's because they like the OS, which isn't Windows, by the way.

Dell manufacture in Raheen, Limerick, and Lodz, Poland*. They don't make anything for anybody else in these locations unlike...(Google 'Dell business model')

...A Bentley Continental shares various bits and bobs with a Phaeton, but do you seriously expect someone who has enough money to buy the Bentley not to because of it's DNA or the mechanical similarities with the VW, i.e. just because the VW is cheaper?

I'll take an RS4 over any VW or Skoda any day, and it's f@ck all to do with the badge :rolleyes:

*= EMEA region

Err.... You do know Dell has outsourced 65% of its notebook Production to Quanta right ?
http://members.forbes.com/global/2001/0402/024.html

I don't understand what significance having PowerPC or x86 in a box would influence production.

Dell have said themselves they outsource a massive amount of stuff to quanta for some time.
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2001/06/22/dell_signs_quanta_to_make/


And even recently:
http://www.engadget.com/2006/07/25/quanta-mitac-getting-amd-dell-orders/

Besides, they can tool up a production line in less than a day and assemble whatever type of notebook you want.

Must be part of your Job eh ... what are you a box lifter or something ?

craichoe

craichoe wrote:

Yes .. Yes .. Car manufacturers are Laughing all the way to the bank, selling you the same stuff with different names .. Excellent

And how is this any different to any other products?

Crap thread.

Owen

Pointless pointless thread.

colm_mcm

well you would say that, being a MINI salesman

Owen

Ack. Let me take that knife from my back ...

craichoe

ronoc wrote:

And how is this any different to any other products?

Crap thread.

Err ... Their quite expensive ?

spank_inferno

DonJose wrote:

I drive a VW but I'd consider buying a Skoda after seeing their new ad on tv. At least with a Skoda, if it breaks down you can eat it

May not be a bad purchase I heard the new fabia runs on next years cake based VW Polo engine

Gatster

Err.... You do know Dell has outsourced 65% of its notebook Production to Quanta right ?
http://members.forbes.com/global/2001/0402/024.html

I don't understand what significance having PowerPC or x86 in a box would influence production.

Dell have said themselves they outsource a massive amount of stuff to quanta for some time.
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2001/06...uanta_to_make/


And even recently:
http://www.engadget.com/2006/07/25/q...d-dell-orders/

Besides, they can tool up a production line in less than a day and assemble whatever type of notebook you want.

Must be part of your Job eh ... what are you a box lifter or something ?

Hmmm. You should read my post properly, you can read p-r-o-p-e-r-l-y, as you seem to have trouble with the way the world works?

Dell manufacture in Raheen, Limerick, and Lodz, Poland*. They don't make anything for anybody else in these locations unlike...(Google 'Dell business model')

*= EMEA region

For a large concern, such as Dell, their business is split into regions, as I'm sure you know :rolleyes: Any Notebook or Desktop sold in EMEA with a Dell badge since the mid 90's has been built in Limerick and now Lodz, sorry my friend but this is a fact. Laughably, the first two articles are from 2001 - I suppose you have see the full scale of Dell's Asia production since?

Tell you what, I'll send you a PM when I'm out there shortly, 'lifting boxes'.;)

maidhc

Gatster wrote:

For a large concern, such as Dell, their business is split into regions, as I'm sure you know :rolleyes: Any Notebook or Desktop sold in EMEA with a Dell badge since the mid 90's has been built in Limerick and now Lodz, sorry my friend but this is a fact. As a region, demand in AsiaPac grew very quickly, and the logistics of shipping from other regions weren't practical. Dell are addressing the manufacturing situation in AsiaPac as I type.

Dunno, but 1 of my Dell latitutes is a rebadged Samsung and is made in Korea. The Inspiron 1200 also has a lot of interchangeable parts with Quanta, and is probably shipped for final assembly to Ireland. Either way it is undeniable that Apple, HP and Dell customers all get "Quanta" notebooks irrespective of where final assembly takes place.

Anyhow, on topic:- I agree to a large extent with the OP. There is a lot of lightheaded bull spoken in this forum, and elsewhere about how great one car is vis a vis another.

I reckon it has something to do with the 80s when companies like Mercedes really did make cars worth twice the value of your proletarian runabout. Now they don't, but still try to charge the price.

Gatster

Dunno, but 1 of my Dell latitutes is a rebadged Samsung and is made in Korea. The Inspiron 1200 also has a lot of interchangeable parts with Quanta, and is probably shipped for final assembly to Ireland

Odd, all mine say made in Ireland. The one you have could be part of the ARB business, which is a different kettle of fish again. All the factories do is assemble the units, they don't make the components, that's the business model (sort of).

Back on topic though, you can't compare entire car manufacturers brand's - as someone stated earlier they serve a different purpose, often with different target demographic. Take the LVMH group if you want another real world example. The Rolex example given earlier is a great one - their may be more accurate fakes for cheaper, but a genuine mechanical Rolex is still a real Rolex.

The best 'luxury' car I've ever been in was a 2005 Lexus LS430. I'd definitely buy (a now second-hand) one over pretty much any other car of similar ilk, and be happy in my over-priced Toyota

companies like Mercedes really did make cars worth twice the value of your proletarian runabout. Now they don't, but still try to charge the price.

This, however, is incredibly true, though I do think they are turning it around very slowly (new S/C class).

nialler

what's with the merc bashing, I have a 00 S320 and it's the most fabulous car I've ever driven and owned, I agree it has nothing on the 07 S or the 07 Lexus LS460 (absolutely beautiful car) but ****s all over the beemer 7 series (my opinion). A few minor electrical glitches but that's it and the usual maintenance stuff they're inexpensive to buy 2nd hand but expensive to run. Unless a 03 Lexus LS absolutely blows me away I'll be having another S (though I'd love an sl) in a few years time.

It may be considered a badge or a prestige car, but it's big, it's safe and I'd much rather have a smack in that than in a Corsa (which is the money I paid for the S)

zuutroy

A) Should be banned for personal abuse (to everyone)

'They' are not spending your money. Get over it.

DeBeere

Am I in the wrong section?
I thought I clicked motors but it seems I am in the computer forum.

Craichoe you obviously seem to know a good deal about computers, so instead of insulting us go back to where you belong: http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/forumdisplay.php?f=907

colm_mcm

Jeez, that's a bit harsh!

PauloMN

craichoe wrote:

One thing i will say for the Irish, for some reason the consensus is that if it costs more its must be better, hence why we've over inflated prices on everything, from houses to digital cameras !

LOL. So Ireland is the only country where premium brand products are available?

Who cares what people think of your car as long as you are happy with it? While I appreciate a nice car, I don't really compare what others drive to what I drive - as long as I like the car I drive, I'm happy out!

If you're having a rant like that, you are obviously not happy with something. Go out and buy a different car - it might help. Oh, and don't buy an Alfa or a Skoda - cheap tat. (Joking)

old boy

at the moment i am driving an 98 spacewagon with 266 thousand, plus a few hundred on the speedo, its driving grand no rattles etc, its what you like to do, i dont think i could be described as a lemming. each car is driven by different people for different reasons, i.e. why are there so many happy laguna drivers out there

Do-more

prospect wrote:

I'll give you an example, the cheapest 'BMW' X3 is €57K, and it is a total heap of KAK

Talking of outsourcing, the current X3 is made in a moped factory in Austria

And if you drive a "Porsche" Boxster it may well have been made in a tractor factory in Finland!

maidhc

Do-more wrote:

Talking of outsourcing, the current X3 is made in a moped factory in Austria

And if you drive a "Porsche" Boxster it may well have been made in a tractor factory in Finland!

Porsche never really made tractors. Ferdinland designed the tractor, but the production was outsourced very early on.

I can see the comparison between the x3 and a moped!

G Luxel

Lexus is Toyota. Up to 2005 there was a Toyota version of any Lexus on their homemarket. Likewise Daihatsu is Toyota, bar maybe one or two models that are their own, but most of their range here is also available as Toyota's in their homemarket. Am I right in thinking that there are fewers Chevrolets than Daewoos here. When I think of Chevrolet I think Corvette, Impala etc, not rebadged Korean cars built in Eastern Europe. Another example is companies selling other products with their own name on it.
Take the fiat scudo/peugeot/citroen range of vans, all identical but different badging. If they are making so much money, they could create their own individuality instead of sharing designs.

Guy:Incognito

G Luxel wrote:

Take the fiat scudo/peugeot/citroen range of vans, all identical but different badging. If they are making so much money, they could create their own individuality instead of sharing designs.

Are you saying that Toyota, Peugeot or Citroen couldnt have afforded or managed to develop the Aygo/C1/107 on their own?

Sometimes its cheaper or more practical to co-develope somethign rather than go it alone for whatever reason.

colm_mcm

Toyota, Citroen or Peugeot didn't go into the Aygo/C1/107 project to make money, it simply introduces new car buyers into a brand, If they have a good experience with said brand, then they may stick with it in the future.

TJJP

G Luxel wrote:

Lexus is Toyota. Up to 2005 there was a Toyota version of any Lexus on their homemarket.

I can agree with that G Luxel, but on the badge on one car is the same as all the other racket here, I'm not convinced.

I drove a Honda Element for a couple of weeks in the states and when I got home I was glad to be back in my 5-series. I was always a big fan of Hondas, but that 2.4L honda was beast to drive and fuel. I know its chalk and cheese to compare an SUV and a sedan but that only re-enforces the point that people make different choices for different reasons.

colm_mcm

Lexus being badged as Toyota was down to the brand not being launched in Japan, I'm sure you'd agree that it was more Lexus being rebrabded than Toyota being rebranded for the rest of the world.

prospect

Ok,

I don't know the in's and out's of who makes what laptop, but:

I bought an Apple MacBook last year. I paid more for it than a similar spec model Dell. But I don't care if it was made on the same production line, its a completely different machine. The clever magnetic power cord, the large single click touchpad button, the small form, the neatness of the machine, with very few holes, vents, buttons etc, the OS and standard software. Overall, I am paying extra for what I feel is a better designed machine, rather than who built it.

The same applies to cheese. You can buy a block of chedder, sliced chedder or grated chedder. They are all packed in the same place, they are all the same product, but they are different in the way they are presented to the customer, and people will pay for what they want.

Same applies to cars.

lightening

Try running a design studio on Dells. Its been tried and it doesn't work. Macs are the only way to go when it comes to graphics.

Sounds like the OP bought a Skoda, wants an Audi or a VW and is justifying his purchase.

Craichoe, the Skoda is a fine car, not everyones taste, but no need to be embarrassed.

As your fond of saying yourself "Err....."

craichoe

prospect wrote:

Ok,

I don't know the in's and out's of who makes what laptop, but:

I bought an Apple MacBook last year. I paid more for it than a similar spec model Dell. But I don't care if it was made on the same production line, its a completely different machine. The clever magnetic power cord, the large single click touchpad button, the small form, the neatness of the machine, with very few holes, vents, buttons etc, the OS and standard software. Overall, I am paying extra for what I feel is a better designed machine, rather than who built it.

The same applies to cheese. You can buy a block of chedder, sliced chedder or grated chedder. They are all packed in the same place, they are all the same product, but they are different in the way they are presented to the customer, and people will pay for what they want.

Same applies to cars.

Aye, I agree, its a lovely laptop.
But no WAY i'd pay the full retail price for it.


Gatser:

Oh i'm not knocking Dell at all, i'm just saying they manufacture most of their Stuff in Asia and yes alot of it does make it to EMEA. Everyone out-sources these days, i just don't see if why you have such a hard time accepting it.

Dell is one of the Biggest sellers of our stuff that we have, to be honest though, working with Dell Servers is like working with the Ladas of Production Equipment. :rolleyes:

However back to car point,
Some said i was sore about owning a Skoda, to be honest i'm embarrassed to own any car, Its a money hole, you may as well start setting money on fire and throwing it up in the air, but i need it to get to work.

I need something reliable and safe and cheap and not something i have to buy with a Loan or those nutjobs that go for Hire-Purchase.

Its just Irish people in General seems to have an attitude of blowing more cash on overpriced cars (which are overpriced in a European market anyway) and spend more on a badge, but can never seem to be bothered to

A. Service it
B. Buy tires for it
C. Buy anything after they've purchased it to keep it to the standard its meant to be at to be on the road.

How many Mercs, BMW's and Lexus's have you seen with defective tires.

Saying something is made anyplace is a joke, its doesn't matter where its made, factories have the same standards everywhere, the only variable is a failure rate.

Manufacturing facilities in Ireland usually have a lower failure rate than their counterparts in Asia, but then again it is lower volume and the stuff that comes out the end is the same anyway.

whippet

craichoe wrote:

However back to car point,
Some said i was sore about owning a Skoda, to be honest i'm embarrassed to own any car, Its a money hole, you may as well start setting money on fire and throwing it up in the air, but i need it to get to work.

I need something reliable and safe and cheap and not something i have to buy with a Loan or those nutjobs that go for Hire-Purchase.

Its just Irish people in General seems to have an attitude of blowing more cash on overpriced cars (which are overpriced in a European market anyway) and spend more on a badge, but can never seem to be bothered to

A. Service it
B. Buy tires for it
C. Buy anything after they've purchased it to keep it to the standard its meant to be at to be on the road.

How many Mercs, BMW's and Lexus's have you seen with defective tires.

Saying something is made anyplace is a joke, its doesn't matter where its made, factories have the same standards everywhere, the only variable is a failure rate.

Manufacturing facilities in Ireland usually have a lower failure rate than their counterparts in Asia, but then again it is lower volume and the stuff that comes out the end is the same anyway.

So ... what you are saying is that you are not a car fanatic and don't see any value apart from the car getting you from A-B safely. That is your take on it.

There are people who love cars and everything else about them, from collectors who have hundreds of cars to the 20 year old 'mod' car owners.

Some people buy the cheapest laptop they can find, as it does the basic job they want it to, others have different needs and different desires.

But to come on to a motoring forum and berate anyone who has a differing opinion to you is a little childish and to me does not make sense.

On a side issue ... I know that there are a few Macs knocking around the in Dell's advertising studio !! why would that be?

craichoe

whippet wrote:

So ... what you are saying is that you are not a car fanatic and don't see any value apart from the car getting you from A-B safely. That is your take on it.

There are people who love cars and everything else about them, from collectors who have hundreds of cars to the 20 year old 'mod' car owners.

Some people buy the cheapest laptop they can find, as it does the basic job they want it to, others have different needs and different desires.

But to come on to a motoring forum and berate anyone who has a differing opinion to you is a little childish and to me does not make sense.

On a side issue ... I know that there are a few Macs knocking around the in Dell's advertising studio !! why would that be?

I see the value in paying for a reliable and safe car that performs well, personally i do not see the point in paying over the odds in Tax, Insurance, Servicing, Loss in resale value for a premium brand for the same product in this country when the roads will destroy it anyway.

I find it curious when you go to a dealership to purchase a part and they same part is a different price in different dealerships, even though it is identical and comes from the same place.

On the laptop point.. and its OT again.. People don't have a clue what their buying when they purchase a laptop. And Graphic designers use Apple because Apple would have sold it to their college for a massive Educational discount, hence they've only used Quark and Photoshop on Mac's before.

I own a Mac ... but no way in hell would i pay full retail for it, its just not worth it ! Then again, i may use my stuff to actually do some work rather that post some crap on myspace :rolleyes:

Henry Ford III

craichoe wrote:

....I see the value in paying for a reliable and safe car that performs well, personally i do not see the point in paying over the odds in Tax, Insurance, Servicing, Loss in resale value for a premium brand for the same product in this country when the roads will destroy it anyway....

Do you drive a Skoda or Toyota?

Perhaps one of these would be more your bag?

lightening

That was a bit mean of me to say you are embarrassed with your car, but you did call everyone idiots.

One thing you never mentioned is styling and performamce. People will pay lots for styling, for good reason too, you can't call them idiots if they have lots of money and want something beautiful.

Gatster

Oh i'm not knocking Dell at all, i'm just saying they manufacture most of their Stuff in Asia and yes alot of it does make it to EMEA. Everyone out-sources these days, i just don't see if why you have such a hard time accepting it.

Dell aren't the best at everything, but I've seen and engineered aspects of their production lines here and in Poland. I know the figures, and I know my facts, this is not just what I've read/heard. I don't have a problem with out-sourcing, everyone does it, I do have a problem with uninformed statements plagiarised from the web then re-hashed as gospel.

I find it curious when you go to a dealership to purchase a part and they same part is a different price in different dealerships, even though it is identical and comes from the same place.

So what, the same product is different prices in different shops/websites, it's the way the world is.

The fact appears that you're not particulary into cars, but then come onto a dedicated motoring forum and start berating people - it's trolling any way you want to view it...

gyppo

I can see both side of the arguement here.

For example, how many base spec bmw 316's are on the road in this country, simply because of the badge. Lots, I would think. A lot of buyers struggle to buy the badge, and can then only afford the most basic spec car.
Personally, I'd plump for a fully loaded 6 pot bmw a few years old in preference to newly registered entry level one.

Then there are the others (like all of this forum ) who buy cars because they like them, and where the year of the plate and/or the brand of the car isnt the number 1 priority.

craichoe

Gatster wrote:

Dell aren't the best at everything, but I've seen and engineered aspects of their production lines here and in Poland. I know the figures, and I know my facts, this is not just what I've read/heard. I don't have a problem with out-sourcing, everyone does it, I do have a problem with uninformed statements plagiarised from the web then re-hashed as gospel.

So what, the same product is different prices in different shops/websites, it's the way the world is.


What he said...:D

Sorry, If you believed my information came from the web. They are one of our Alliance partners so we do have a good idea of how everything works, Dell do sell more of our Gear than we do But it is basic basic hardware and thats what you pay for.

They do have the worst employee discount too, which would indicate that their margins on hardware is quite low.

Apples on the other hand is 27%

When buying a part from VAG, in an Audi, Skoda, Seat or VW dealership, the parts are manufactured in the same place and come from the same Distributor. Their all VAG dealerships, can someone explain to me is the RRP different or are the dealerships throwing on their own magic bonus ?

Ask a cop how many BMW 330 and 350d's he's stopped with no road tax or its out of date by one or two years, because its cheaper to pay the fines.

I don't see why someone would pay for it if they can't afford to keep it on the road ?