I HAD A PS3-sold it after 2 weeks

Dublin1983

i bought a ps3 on launch, with moto storm & rfom. the games were "ok" nothing special, i said to myself, sony track record with consoles spoke for them self, if 360 is good ps3 shud be ****n amazing, so i got the cc out, and bought the beast. i dont know how it left the assembly line. the online gaming/ friends set up was beyond a joke. if u haved played the ps3, yall know what im talking about. i remember opening the ps3, sitting down ta play online and relaised wtf, no headset. i used my bloothooh 4 my mobile, but ting is if u dont get a headset, nobody bothers to buy1. so everybody texts messages in the lobby. so i started the game if i wanted to talk i had to hold R3 to talk. i could actualy go on for ever with the problems.

The online store is a joke- its never updated.
also ps3 has like 9 games out since november.

Has anybody else, bought a ps3 and regretted it.

chrislad

I have a PS3. I use it for Blu Ray movies. I didn't get it with any plans to get any games, at least for the moment, bar the odd PSone (Final Fantasy) and PSTwo games (again, Final Fantasy, God of War)

It's great as a movie player. Not so great on games. I've not bothered with online, nor will I until I have something to play online.

kensutz

This is an xbox forum not PS3.

btw. I rarely use my PS3.

Mitch Connor

i imagine the proportion of people disappointed with the PS3 at the moment are similar to the proportionof people disappointed with the 360 (if you take away the reliability issue) the 360 only really had Call of Duty 2 as a OMG tittle (imo)

The PS3 will have class titles, it'll just take time, as it did with the 360.

PES7 will probably be the reason I get the ps3; as the noises from Konami are that PES& on the PS3 will be a lot better then the 360 version.

savemejebus

I have a ps3 and don't regret it one bit. I found the set-up very easy, as i did with the 360, and I quite like the interface. Any game i've played on it has been as good as the 360 (motorstorm, Resistance, NHL 2k7 and Oblivion (which i've played on the 360 too). I agree that the shop should be updated more but I'm finding that purchasable downloadable content on the ps3 store is more attractive (at the moment) than that of the 360. I really like gripshift, tekken was a bargain, as was mortal kombat 2 and wipeout. Looking forward to Calling All Cars this weekend too.

Currently i'm using it more for games than blu ray but I got planet earth on blu-ray last week so that could change.

brav

Tauren wrote:

PES7 will probably be the reason I get the ps3; as the noises from Konami are that PES& on the PS3 will be a lot better then the 360 version.

I kinda doubt that, I mean look at their past games, they don't seem to have people who are good at optimising games for consoles. Granted they might create good game engines, great game play but when it comes to polishing a game on a console I think they have failed numerous times.

While the PS3 Core(EDIT: Cell) does look promising it seems it is harder to code for than the 360's triple processor(EDIT: Xenon). When you look at the results they got on the 360 I don't expect much better on the PS3, unless they have been developing this version for a few years and took some of epics and ea's artists/designers.
The game sounds and looks like its from the 90's

anto1208

I love mine , the lack of games doesn’t bother me im still playing resistance and ive only just found god of war !! so i have 1 to get through then ill get God of war 2 I also have teken and GT and pro evo 6 , by the end of this month the games will have caught up to xbox when your talking the only brilliant tittles on xbox are ghost recon 2, rainbow 6 splinter cell etc which are either out on ps3 or out this month and C&C I presume will be out soon , everything else was pretty average ive owned 12 xbox games only 3 or 4 I would consider great games .

It has never given me any problems unlike my xbox that keeps giving up a dirty disk error message for a game I just took out of the sealed box , ive never seen a cleaner disk !!!!! . it does pain me when I’ve spent 1 ½ hours finishing a command and conquer mission only for it to go to the save menu and then crash :mad:

DarkJager

Lads this is the Xbox forum, but all I'm seeing here is people harping on about PS3's. Just to add my opinion, Xbox 360 kicks the PS3's ass in every single way possible, and will continue to do so for the foreseeable future.

kensutz

brav wrote:

I kinda doubt that, I mean look at their past games, they don't seem to have people who are good at optimising games for consoles. Granted they might create good game engines, great game play but when it comes to polishing a game on a console I think they have failed numerous times.

The PS3 version is already at 19GB without any music/commentary added.

The post suggests that Japanese game magazine FAMITSU has information and screen shots of the PS3 and Wii versions of the game. Interestingly the post claims the game is currently 19.2GB without audio (PS3 version we imagine), whereas previous articles had all suggested a total of 18GB. The real crucial point is regarding Sony helping to finance the game with an estimated 210 Million Yen (Approx $2 Million). Knowing the relationship that Konami and Sony share this isn't so shocking, however, what would this mean with regards to exclusivity and comparison to the Xbox 360 version. Although the jury is still out on this point, reports suggest that the PS3 and Xbox 360 versions will have different engines.

anto1208

kensutz wrote:

The PS3 version is already at 19GB without any music/commentary added.

How much can the disks hold , i was told the blueray will be able to hold up to 100GB , but do games come on blue ray . what can the dvd's holds around 8GB ? or is it different for games . 19 GB sounds big

0ubliette

DarkJager wrote:

Lads this is the Xbox forum, but all I'm seeing here is people harping on about PS3's. Just to add my opinion, Xbox 360 kicks the PS3's ass in every single way possible, and will continue to do so for the foreseeable future.

No, it only kicks the ps3's ass for software selection and online gaming. PS3 absolutely rapes the 360 from a hardware standpoint. They dont crash & burn every 5 minutes like the xbox. Its about 10 times quieter, and it does hdmi out of the box.
And yes, i own both.

mickoneill30

Normal dual layer DVDs can hold 9Gb (Xbox, Xbox 360). Blu-Ray is 25Gb (single layer) or 50Gb Dual layer.

Mitch Connor

anto1208 wrote:

How much can the disks hold , i was told the blueray will be able to hold up to 100GB , but do games come on blue ray . what can the dvd's holds around 8GB ? or is it different for games . 19 GB sounds big

a dual layer blu ray can hold 50 or 55 GB, single layer holds 25/27.5. That is what i have heard anyway, and as far as i know they aren't producing on dual layer as they have enough problems with single layer.

mickoneill30

0ubliette wrote:

No, it only kicks the ps3's ass for software selection and online gaming. PS3 absolutely rapes the 360 from a hardware standpoint. They dont crash & burn every 5 minutes like the xbox. Its about 10 times quieter, and it does hdmi out of the box.
And yes, i own both.

Hmmm. What are the two most important things you should be looking at when picking a console? I'd say software selection and online gaming.

If your Xbox is crashing and burning every 5 minutes you might want to get it fixed.

Did your PS3 do HDMI out of the box or did you have to buy a HDMI cable for it?

johnny_ultimate

This is the kind of arguement that can only descent into mindless "Micro$oft are n00bsors!" and "Playstation = cackstation" type debates.
Both consoles have their strong / weak points. There is no point trying to argue which one is 'better' - it will only cause headaches.
Can't we all just get along?

brav

kensutz wrote:

The PS3 version is already at 19GB without any music/commentary added.

I heard this earlier this week too, but what could this data be? I don't think this is true, I mean its not as if their textures are high res etc.

Out of all the games to come I don't think this will be the one to fully make use of the extra space on blueray.

Unless their programmers have some new code which increments an int by 1.
Normally:

int test=1;
test++;

Konami:

int te=0;
int st=1;
int test;
int temptest;
int incValue;
test=(te+st);
incValue=1;
temptest=test;
temptest=temptest+incValue;
if(temptest=test+1)
{
    test=temptest;
}

On a more serious note, if its current size on PS3 is that much it is prob some high def movies thrown in for good measure, about the making of etc.

Julez

brav wrote:

I heard this earlier this week too, but what could this data be? I don't think this is true, I mean its not as if their textures are high res etc.

Out of all the games to come I don't think this will be the one to fully make use of the extra space on blueray.

Unless their programmers have some new code which increments an int by 1.
Normally:

int test=1;
test++;

Konami:

int te=0;
int st=1;
int test;
int temptest;
int incValue;
test=(te+st);
incValue=1;
temptest=test;
temptest=temptest+incValue;
if(temptest=test+1)
{
    test=temptest;
}

On a more serious note, if its current size on PS3 is that much it is prob some high def movies thrown in for good measure, about the making of etc.

I dont think there's gonna be many who'll get what your on about!!

johnny_ultimate wrote:

This is the kind of arguement that can only descent into mindless "Micro$oft are n00bsors!" and "Playstation = cackstation" type debates.
Both consoles have their strong / weak points. There is no point trying to argue which one is 'better' - it will only cause headaches.
Can't we all just get along?

Exactly!! I have both and at the moment I play my 360 more, because it has a better selection of games. But for blu-ray and better dvd quality I go with the ps3! and as johnny_ultimate said, Both consoles have their strong / weak points.

Gran Hermano

I can understand how some people are regretting purchasing their PS3,
especially if they had a 360. Whilst my PS3 is getting shag all use, the
360 is used daily. I find it amusing that people justify purchasing a PS3
that has feck all games available by saying they are happy
playing PS2 games on it Yes I can see that some people are happy using
a PS3 for it's blu-ray capabilities, maybe I'm odd in that I buy a games console
to play games primarily - and this is the major downfall of the PS3.

Excuses that the PS3 is just out and we can't expect 'good games' yet
is a load of cojones. PS3 was launched in US almost 8 months ago.
When you consider the games the 360 had within 6 months of launch
(Oblivion, GRAW COD2 to name but a few) it proves the developers
are struggling with launching Ps3 games. What use is hardware without
software!

anto1208

Gran Hermano wrote:

I can understand how some people are regretting purchasing their PS3,
especially if they had a 360. Whilst my PS3 is getting shag all use, the
360 is used daily. I find it amusing that people justify purchasing a PS3
that has feck all games available by saying they are happy
playing PS2 games on it Yes I can see that some people are happy using
a PS3 for it's blu-ray capabilities, maybe I'm odd in that I buy a games console
to play games primarily - and this is the major downfall of the PS3.

Excuses that the PS3 is just out and we can't expect 'good games' yet
is a load of cojones. PS3 was launched in US almost 8 months ago.
When you consider the games the 360 had within 6 months of launch
(Oblivion, GRAW COD2 to name but a few) it proves the developers
are struggling with launching Ps3 games. What use is hardware without
software!

if you had a 360 with the 3 or 4 good games and you traded it in and now all you have is moterstorm then i can understand why people would be dissapointed , 4 games are better than 1 but by the end of this month rainbow 6 and ghost recon 2 will be out splinter cell is out oblivian is out & resistence so thats 4 or 5 class games , there going to be level pegging from now on apart from the exclusive games halo etc there wont be much of a difference .

I bought mine to play games and i do every day ,same as my xbox . but in the long run the playstation will win out mainly due to blue ray and my xbox is goign to get chucked out the window if it crashes at the end of just one more C&C mission

Scruff

Dublin1983 wrote:

. i remember opening the ps3, sitting down ta play online and relaised wtf, no headset. i used my bloothooh 4 my mobile, but ting is if u dont get a headset, nobody bothers to buy1. so everybody texts messages in the lobby. so i started the game if i wanted to talk i had to hold R3 to talk.

i rarely talk on live unless there is a good team going on. other than that i rarely interact with the miriad of tossers that plague live and have the headset turned down more often than not

Dont be at yourself

Moved from sexbox forum.

TheDoc

sickening news for ps3 owners as metal gear solid 4 has been confirmed to release on the xbox 360, that was THE only title ps3 had that was gna anyway put it above xbox.

With the xbox now boastering GTA, Pro evo series, Halo and now Metal Gear solid, along with exclusives like Gears of war......seriously ps3 owners must be just slamming their heads of a wall as to why they paid double the price of a 360.

sick

Villain

Well I have both and while I enjoyed MotoStorm I got tired of it pretty quickly, however I bought my Playstation 3 now simply because I picked it up cheap in HongKong, I knew the titles were weak but that will change in time and I'm sure there will be times when my Xbox360 is collecting dust and my Playstation is getting well used.

Ciaran500

[DM]-TheDOC- wrote:

sickening news for ps3 owners as metal gear solid 4 has been confirmed to release on the xbox 360, that was THE only title ps3 had that was gna anyway put it above xbox.

It hasn't been confirmd

WarZoneBrother

I am pretty darn p*ssed off with the 1.80 update...It keeps disconnecting me from net and also messing up with my BT headset...Ahhh its getting on my nerves at this stage..

steviec

Well I've had both for a while and have now sold my 360, not because I dislike it but I have no use for it until Mass Effect comes out, and that keeps being delayed and it'd be nice to buy a new quieter 360 model to play it on because the noise level of my one was really unacceptable.

Right now though, by far the best game on the 360 imo is Rainbow Six Vegas and it's also on the PS3 within a month. Crackdown is great but I'm tired of it now and there's very little else to bring me back to the 360, while I've really enjoyed F1, Motorstorm and a lot of the downloadable games (that have really made a mockery of the ancient arcade games that make up 90% of Live Marketplace)

For multiplatform games the PS3 is a no brainer(except in the odd case of poor ports) because it runs silent and I prefer the joypad and I haven't noticed Live online play being superior in any way, but then I don't care for online FPS games and a headset isn't really necessary for racing, in fact having to listen to other players is more of an annoyance than anything IMO. I've also yet to have my PS3 crash, which is something the 360 often does.

The Playstation store is nowhere near as well designed as the Xbox Marketplace, but it has vastly superior content available at much lower prices, and none of this buying 1000 points for an 800 point game crap to go through either. So I'll take the poorly decorated shop with brilliant bargains thank you very much.

And the games argument is ridiculous. Of course the 360 has better games right now because its been out a long time, but the PS3 is catching up fast. PS3 has more good games now than the 360 did at this stage of its lifespan. The thing is because the PS3 doesn't have the marketplace to itself people only count the 'exclusives' and ignore the likes of CoD3, Virtua Tennis, Virtua Fighter, Tony Hawks, GRAW, Oblivion, Rainbow Six, Splinter Cell while at the same time pointing out how great the 360 was in its first year thanks to games like Call of Duty and Ghost Recon...

Anyway it's a fairly tiresome argument. Ridiculous bashing threads like this one annoy me. Both consoles have great things going for them.

chrislad

Gran Hermano wrote:

I can understand how some people are regretting purchasing their PS3,
especially if they had a 360. Whilst my PS3 is getting shag all use, the
360 is used daily. I find it amusing that people justify purchasing a PS3
that has feck all games available by saying they are happy
playing PS2 games on it Yes I can see that some people are happy using
a PS3 for it's blu-ray capabilities, maybe I'm odd in that I buy a games console
to play games primarily - and this is the major downfall of the PS3.

Excuses that the PS3 is just out and we can't expect 'good games' yet
is a load of cojones. PS3 was launched in US almost 8 months ago.
When you consider the games the 360 had within 6 months of launch
(Oblivion, GRAW COD2 to name but a few) it proves the developers
are struggling with launching Ps3 games. What use is hardware without
software!

Cheapest BR player - About 1000euro.

PS3 - 600

I rest my case

I love film and I hate having to miss out on HD goodness because of a format war.

brav

Or get a HD-DVD player for under 600

0ubliette

mickoneill30 wrote:

Hmmm. What are the two most important things you should be looking at when picking a console? I'd say software selection and online gaming.

If your Xbox is crashing and burning every 5 minutes you might want to get it fixed.

Did your PS3 do HDMI out of the box or did you have to buy a HDMI cable for it?

Really, well thats in your opinion. In MY opinion, i could'nt care less about online gaming as PC's do it far better than any console ever will.
Yeah, ill just call up microsoft, pay them 85 euro to send me back a refurbished xbox that will more than likely break even faster than my original did.

did the xbox come with a wireless controller as standard? No..only premiums had that...Come with a hd-dvd player as standard? no...had to buy that extra too. 20gb hard drive that only has 12gb of storage space..yeah, it has that..oh but only on premiums.

Seriously, the 360 has better software but youre deluding yourself if you think its a better machine hardware-wise.

mickoneill30

0ubliette wrote:

Seriously, the 360 has better software but youre deluding yourself if you think its a better machine hardware-wise.

I didn't say that. I bought it for the games. I couldn't give a hoot what processor / GPU / ultra whizz bang component is in either machine. If the games are good then buy it.
Don't buy it because it does 16 trillion thingys per second.

I still play the old Xbox and an ooooold SNES. Games are number 1. Hardware is secondary. The Wii is outselling both consoles isn't it.

0ubliette wrote:

did the xbox come with a wireless controller as standard? No..only premiums had that...Come with a hd-dvd player as standard? no...had to buy that extra too. 20gb hard drive that only has 12gb of storage space..yeah, it has that..oh but only on premiums.

Good point. So what's the price difference between a core Xbox360 (that you're comparing above) against a PS3? Around €400?

0ubliette

mickoneill30 wrote:

I didn't say that. I bought it for the games. I couldn't give a hoot what processor / GPU / ultra whizz bang component is in either machine. If the games are good then buy it.
Don't buy it because it does 16 trillion thingys per second.

I still play the old Xbox and an ooooold SNES. Games are number 1. Hardware is secondary.



Good point. So what's the price difference between a core Xbox360 (that you're comparing above) against a PS3? Around €400?

And i dont care whats inside them either, however what i DO care about is the fact that the 360 seems to have this slight problem where if you look at it sideways, or if the angle of sunlight coming in your bedroom window is at an oblique angle to the 360, or if a butterfly flaps its wings in central park and theres rain instead of sunshine in peking, your xbox will get this nasty condition where it FALLS OVER AND DIES ON ITS ARSE.

http://www.google.ie/search?client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-GB%3Aofficial&channel=s&hl=en&q=xbox+360+red+rings+of+death&meta=&btnG=Google+Search

915,000 results for 'xbox 360 red rings of death' hmmm..that extra money i spent on a ps3 that DOESNT crash in the middle of every game i play seems like money well spent to me.

Seriously, i love my 360, its one of my favourite consoles of all time, but even the most die hard of fanboys would be forced to admit that a console made by lego would probably be sturdier.
I bought a ps3 cause my 360 f*cks up left right & centre. Great software, ****ty hardware. By the end of the year the ps3's software library wil be gathering pace, while my 360 will more than liely be completely bricked.
In the case of the 360, hardware really is number 1, as its such an obvious problem with the machine.

AnCapaillMor

mickoneill30 wrote:

Good point. So what's the price difference between a core Xbox360 (that you're comparing above) against a PS3? Around €400?

Ok 405 on play for premium with a 20gb on play. throw on another 170 for d dvd player, brings it up to 575.

PS3 basic included 60gb as oppose to a 60GB with inlcuded wirless and bluray player, 619. thats big difference.

I too have both, games are the only thing to let the Ps3 down. Been using consoles since the atari and i vaguely remember the pong console. Once the ps3 catches up on games, i can't see myself go near the box.

Shanotheslayer

kensutz wrote:

This is an xbox forum not PS3.

Shows Playstation forum for me:P

AnCapaillMor

Crikey PS3 is even overtaking the 360 forums as well.

savemejebus

Shanotheslayer wrote:

Shows Playstation forum for me:P

Thread was originally started in the xbox forum, then moved

pyzon

my only regret about the PS3 is the tv it plays on Bravia 32" seems too small sometimes especially playing F1 and in the pit-stops when you have to press the buttons in sequence TV is wall mounted in the corner and sofa is approx 8-10 feet away.....Only have 3 blu-ray titles at the moment..don't know if i'll invest in more especially since the upscaling.

And anyway I've started saving for the next-gen disk.

Holographic Versatile Disc (HVD).
While Blu-Ray and HD-DVD use the same laser, other producers thought of combining the two lasers (red and blue), in a single ray and thanks to Optware , on a disc the size of a CD or DVD, 1 TB of data could be stored (20 times more than on a Blu-Ray disc), with a transfer rate of 1 Gbit/s.

Mossy Monk

[DM]-TheDOC- wrote:

sickening news for ps3 owners as metal gear solid 4 has been confirmed to release on the xbox 360

How is that sickening? Wont it still be available on PS3. You fanboys are annoying.

AnCapaillMor

What mossy said.

TheDoc

i aint no fanboy

im a pc fanboy. But at the end of the day most people are defending their ps3 purchase on the fact of its blu ray capabilities, which i think is a bit sad, its a games console, end of ..... and its just a stinker the moment and looks to be for some time.

Just dont see how people justify how they pay 600-700 euro for the ps3, when they coulda got an xbox with a hd dvd player for 450...and it has all the same games, better exclusives and all sonys major titles....just dont make sense

Dublin1983

ps3 sux. big time, xbox have taken over.
i win the thread.

LookingFor

[DM]-TheDOC- wrote:

its a games console, end of ..... and its just a stinker the moment and looks to be for some time.

I'd disagree, and that assessment looks shaky to say the least by the end of the year..

[DM]-TheDOC- wrote:

when they coulda got an xbox with a hd dvd player

Who would want HD-DVD? It has half the Hollywood support of Blu-ray and nowhere near the retail presence. Unless you're a really big fan of Universal movies only, I'm not sure why anyone would take a gamble on it.

[DM]-TheDOC- wrote:

and it has all the same games, better exclusives and all sonys major titles....

Tell me when I can get LittleBigPlanet, Warhawk, Heavenly Sword, Ratchet & Clank, Uncharted, Gran Turismo, Final Fantasy etc. on my 360. I'll be playing most of those on my PS3 this year. The 360 has some great games coming, but certainly so does the PS3, and many you can't get on other systems.

So much trolling going on here..you have to wonder where the moderation is.

savemejebus

[DM]-TheDOC- wrote:

they coulda got an xbox with a hd dvd player for 450(

where can you get a 360 with HD-DVD player for €450?

mickoneill30

savemejebus wrote:

where can you get a 360 with HD-DVD player for €450?

You could buy a core Xbox 360 and HD-DVD player for less than that. But why bother? Games consoles are for games. I don't understand why so many people are posting here saying
"Sure, the games aren't great so I paid a fortune for a High Def movie player. Just wait till the games get great in 6 or 12 months." Or even worse, those that post that you can play PS2 games on it. Whey hey. I can play PS2 games on a PS2. That's an easy way to save a fortune.
If the PS3 has games that you want to play then get it.

Otherwise just get a stand alone player http://www.amazon.com/Toshiba-HD-A2-HD-DVD-Player/dp/B000IJV4BC/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/104-1716023-7969554?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1180700071&sr=8-1
I know they don't ship to Ireland but that's just an example. They're not hard to find.

AnCapaillMor

mickoneill30 wrote:

Or even worse, those that post that you can play PS2 games on it. Whey hey. I can play PS2 games on a PS2. That's an easy way to save a fortune.
If the PS3 has games that you want to play then get it.

The 1.80 update allows you to play Ps2 games on 1080I where the game allow it. Its gotten me back into GOW2 and shadow of the colosus.

savemejebus

mickoneill30 wrote:

You could buy a core Xbox 360 and HD-DVD player for less than that.

Once again, where? Core system costs €299 (though i really can't imagine what type of person would buy a core) while the HD-DVD add on runs from €200 to 220 in most shops? If you've found a cheap source for the HD-DVD drive (that won't get us whacked by customs) let us know, as i'd imagine tonnes of boardsies would buy it.

peepingtom

my dads bigger than your dad

Gran Hermano

Ahhhh, but did your dad buy a ps3 to play ps2 games and watch
the occasional blu-ray movie on it??

mickoneill30

savemejebus wrote:

Once again, where? Core system costs €299 (though i really can't imagine what type of person would buy a core) while the HD-DVD add on runs from €200 to 220 in most shops? If you've found a cheap source for the HD-DVD drive (that won't get us whacked by customs) let us know, as i'd imagine tonnes of boardsies would buy it.

Oh for Gods sake. Do you know how to use Google. Over on Bargain Alerts (on this site) there's a thread about Harvey Norman selling the core for €269. (http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055093100). Then if you spend 15 seconds searching the internet you can find stuff like this
http://www.shopireland.ie/games/detail/B000FNKQCE/Xbox-360-HD-DVD-Player/
for the drive. I'm pretty sure you won't get hit by customs there. If you do you can search again. The site I use to find this kind of stuff is fairly good. Here's the link www.google.ie

You didn't ask what type of person would buy a core. You asked where people could buy a 360 & HD-DVD drive for less than €450 but it's probably the same type of people that buy the PS3 just to watch Blu-Ray movies.

savemejebus

I did google but didn't find anything for a cheap hd-dvd. Shopireland.ie is actually amazon and they won't ship to Ireland. Apart from that the cheapest i've seen the HD-DVD add on is play-asia but customs will hit you on that.

You have a very valid point about how games consoles should be "for games" but unfortunately i think that that time has passed. More and more consoles are expected to be jacks of all trades, just look at the people using the wii for youtube and how many of the original xbox became media centres, even MS have positioned the 360 as a media centre. Objectively the PS3 does a pretty good job as a HD media centre and I think that point should be acknowledged.

As far as games, I'm very happy with my ps3, so much so that i've acutally got unplayed games on my 360. At the end of the day people who bought ps3s knew that they were supporting a new product and that they would be subject to all the usual issues that come with that, less games than competitors, teething problems.

My 2 cents

Gran Hermano

Play.com HD DVD player €170.49 inc delivery.
Whilst they don't ship electronics to Ireland they'll ship the HD DVD
as it falls under their "Games" section

€269+170.49= a High def movie player

savemejebus

Ok this is going to be my last post on the subject of a 450 hd dvd player

Gran Hermano, I get this message when i try to check out with the HD DVD player from play
"This item can only be delivered to your credit/debit card billing address, which must be in the UK.". Even if they did ship it, last I heard play parcels were periodically getting stopped and charged Vat as they ship from Jersey.

In any case it doesn't matter. The point at the centre of this is that the PS3 is currently excellent value as a fully functioning blu-ray player that will stand up to the majority of standalone machines out there. The 360 with HD-DVD add on won't. This is due to noise and sound issues. So for HDDVD alone someone would be better off buying a standalone player. This is not the case with Blu-Ray and the PS3.