exams results

sarz55

so when are the exam results out. anybody know?

i need to find out how much my repeats are gonna cost

hullaballoo

9th July.

*Angel*

Just wondering how you know that? Are you sure it's not different for different courses like it was for the Christmas exams? Seems a bit soon considering how slow they normally are!

tywy

aren't repeats €100 a go, so the max it's gonna cost is €600

caridee2

They SAY the 9th july but since ucd cant organise ANYthing, I wouldn't hold my breath!

mwrf

any news on the dates of repeats yet?

Pythia

stebishop wrote:

any news on the dates of repeats yet?

Surely that'd be near Christmas.

singingstranger

Pythia wrote:

Surely that'd be near Christmas.

Not necessarily, don't final B&L have August repeats?

hullaballoo

Oh ye of little faith...

I had reason to ask them because I need them by the 6th July for the King's Inns. I think that's the official date (at least provisionally), but some people will get theirs before then.

hullaballoo

*Angel* wrote:

Just wondering how you know that? Are you sure it's not different for different courses like it was for the Christmas exams? Seems a bit soon considering how slow they normally are!

Oh ye of little faith...

I had reason to ask them because I need them by the 6th July for the King's Inns. I think that's the official date (at least provisionally), but some people will get theirs before then.

Stabshauptmann

singingstranger wrote:

Not necessarily, don't final B&L have August repeats?

Well, there are no commerce august exams for any subjects.

Stabshauptmann

stebishop wrote:

any news on the dates of repeats yet?

The same date as the normal christmas timetable comes out. They will be listed just like any other subject, you dont need to go looking for a seperate repeat exams timetable.

tintinr35

http://www.ucd.ie/exams/html/generalinfo/results.htm

it says there u cant get official transcripts between the 13th of june and the 9th of july so they must be out between those dates at some stage!!

dirtydress

^ I was looking at that too, so as final years we won't get a copy of our results..we have to pay for them??! Havent a clue how these things are supposed to work, im assuming we'll get a gold leafed letter informing us of our graduation and such too? Or is that asking too much...:D

tintinr35

everyone has to pay for transcripts i think, since we get our results online now!

cold_filter

tintinr35 wrote:

everyone has to pay for transcripts i think, since we get our results online now!

Final years should get posted results.

Stabshauptmann

Transcripts are fee up to the date of graduation, after that you are charged. Thats what I was told when I got my transcripts to date the other week.

aequinoctium

is it true that they won't give you your degree if you have overdue library books?

i just heard that from a friend...

Stepherunie

Probably.

I know they try not to give it to you if you have outstanding fines so I'm pretty sure you still having the books would rate even more highly.

I know one guy who did get his degree without paying his fines, in saying that he was so anxious to not pay the fine he couldn't take a book out for his last 2 and a half years of college.

tintinr35

ya they put a hold on ur results u know that view holds button on sis......

snack_ie

Any ideas what happens if you fail a module and you are going to America for 3rd year... Dont think I did but just wondering???

sweet-rasmus

waiting for results is the worst i month to go!!! countdown, begin!

mloc

just got my degree results yesterday...

Got a 1st. Overjoyed.

Vorsprung

mloc wrote:

just got my degree results yesterday...

Got a 1st. Overjoyed.

Congrats!

Vainglory

mloc wrote:

just got my degree results yesterday...

Got a 1st. Overjoyed.

how did you get them?

Chakar

Vainglory wrote:

how did you get them?

He does Science not Arts.

mloc

Had an oral with the extern on Friday afternoon, results were posted on sheet in the Conway institute on friday evening.

Just provisional grade results, eg 1st,2.1 etc, not full percentages.

We were actually one of the last final year science subjects to get ours; chemistry got theirs the wednesday before last. Mad.

Vainglory

Chakar wrote:

He does Science not Arts.

Eh?

I didn't ask what he did and I didn't imply that I thought he did arts either.

Fremen

We were actually one of the last final year science subjects to get ours; chemistry got theirs the wednesday before last.

What?! I do maths, I haven't got mine yet...
Anyone else know anything about this?

Vainglory

god UCD admin driving me bloody mental...went in to ask how sure they were that results would be out by 9th july due to application for next year needed by 15th....the guy shrugged his shoulders and said "well, its UCD...."

not his fault im sure but still frustrating.

god bless our first class university.

mloc

Fremen wrote:

What?! I do maths, I haven't got mine yet...
Anyone else know anything about this?

Well, that I know of for certain, final year geology, chemistry, physiology and pharmacology all have thiers.

Also mech eng have thiers.

tintinr35

just rang the politics department there (because i have been tryin admin all day and all i can get is a machine) and was told the middle of july.
im so glad this is the last dealings i will be having with UCD

Vainglory

MIDDLE of July?


I think I'm going to cry.

Fremen

Bah! just got my results there.

I got a 2.1, but if they let me use the beneficial aggregation rule with my results from third year AND the within-the-per cent rule (i.e. 69.1% gets you a first, though this rule isn't documented in marks and standards), then I might be able to upgrade it.

Assets Model

What is the story with within a percent rule? I heard if you got 59% you automatically got 60% and even if you got 58% you may be moved up? Is that true?

Stepherunie

I had a chat with my year head about this and according to him once all the exams are corrected the results go to the exam board. The external examiner takes a look at the results and the results curve. Then the external examiner may choose to take a look at some exam papers of students that are borderline moving up a grade (i.e sitting on 69). They may then decide to upgrade that person or all those sitting on 60 if they feel that the results are not in line with previous years.

However this isn't complete set rule. We got our results for one of our exams last semester and out of 38 of us, 36 of us received firsts. I was talking to my year head about it because I honestly didn't believe that they'd leave 36 firsts stand as it would complete throw the curve. However because all the correcting was in line with the marking scheme the external examiner okayed the results.

mloc

I think it depends on the subject.

I know in our faculty at least we were told that if everyone qualified for a first they'd get them; that is, there is no curve as such. Being a degree year the results are checked by the extern and all those achieving first class honours or those borderline (within 1.5%) were called in for an oral examination by the extern. The examination was based on our thesis and any material from the pharmacology course, from any year (1st - 4th year).

katarin

tintinr35 wrote:

ya they put a hold on ur results u know that view holds button on sis......

is that true? i owe 7.50, id better get paying..

Stabshauptmann

Assets Model wrote:

What is the story with within a percent rule? I heard if you got 59% you automatically got 60% and even if you got 58% you may be moved up? Is that true?

No. There is no automatic upgrade rule.

I have had 5 borderline results, one a X9.5.
There may be a policy (either formal or informal) to do this in certain schools. But I cant find any official rule. If the policy does exist it doesnt seem universal.

Stabshauptmann

Stepherunie wrote:

We got our results for one of our exams last semester and out of 38 of us, 36 of us received firsts. I was talking to my year head about it because I honestly didn't believe that they'd leave 36 firsts stand as it would complete throw the curve. However because all the correcting was in line with the marking scheme the external examiner okayed the results.

This kind of **** is happening all over UCD and other 3rd level institutes. Its making a degree worthless. Unless we do something pretty soon we're going to be in the same boat as Switzerland where you need a masters just to start your career or a PhD for a decent one.

Think about this though, most people in my course would flip if they got a 2.2, most people I know consider it a huge slap in the face. I taught a first year class this year and they had some assignments which were graded by a graduate student. I was to mark them too as a bench mark.

I'd honestly have given )without any regard to a curve,
One 1st,
Four 2.1's
Ten 2.2''s
and Five passes

The examiner gave half of them firsts and the other half 2.1s. Its ****ing ridiculous

machiavellianme

aequinoctium wrote:

is it true that they won't give you your degree if you have overdue library books?

i just heard that from a friend...

No its not true, but it's a pain if you come back as a broke postgrad and get hit with massive fees on your account.

Stepherunie

I don't think that my example is a widespread incidence. In defence of the lecturer in question the pressure put on him was phenomenal. This year is his first time lecturing as he's just completed his PhD. Having spoken to people about this, generally colleges like to ease new lecturers in by giving them 10 - 15 hours per week lecture time.

This particular lecturer was given 26 hours teaching time per week (all brand new courses that he had to design), a job as second year year head (the hardest class to be year head of due to there workload and pressures), erasmus co - ordinator (which included spending many hours with me trying to sort out my lack of vaccinations and where the hell they could be obtained) and he was engaged in a large research project. That's a lot to take on in one year.

The actual exam was tough, none of us found it easy, it was the marking scheme that proved to suit us. And as my year head said himself, next year this wouldn't happen.


Being honest, I don't get 2:2s because they don't exist for me. With a 50% pass rate everyone works to get 60 because we all know that we have no chance of getting postgrads for about a decade if not more unless we get 2:1s. The knowledge that we lack the chance to progress without this pushes us all to succeed. Thus it's rare to have more than one or 2 pass degrees in my course (this may increase due to the doubling of class sizes). I think part of it is also because if you fail one exam in final radiography you get an automatic pass degree so everyone works there asses off to ensure that that doesn't happen.

So to say that all degrees are being watered down and marked easier, I simply don't believe it.

Oh and apologies for being woefully on topic. To be on topic, had a chat with my lecturer a few days back, looks like June 25th of so for my exam results.

Sarn

Stepherunie wrote:

..Having spoken to people about this, generally colleges like to ease new lecturers in by giving them 10 - 15 hours per week lecture time.

This particular lecturer was given 26 hours teaching time per week (all brand new courses that he had to design)

Are you sure it wasn't 26 lectures for the year. The most student contact hours I've heard for a lecturer is 60 hours a year and that is considered extreme, on average it'd be around 30. Of course this doesn't take into account lecture preparation time etc.

Rosita

Assets Model wrote:

What is the story with within a percent rule? I heard if you got 59% you automatically got 60% and even if you got 58% you may be moved up? Is that true?

I haven't ever heard of this but I was upgraded once in History and it was explained to me that I had done much worse in one exam - I overran on one question and struggled for time on the third as a result -than my consistent mark in others and assignments, so they upgraded me (I was about 1.5% short) on the basis that they felt it was a fairer refelction of where I was at.

I am sure I was upgraded once in English too as my mark was nice and round, but I never bothered getting feedback on that one.

I know nothing of any automatic upgrading of people, and I doubt it occurs.

Stepherunie

Sarn wrote:

Are you sure it wasn't 26 lectures for the year. The most student contact hours I've heard for a lecturer is 60 hours a year and that is considered extreme, on average it'd be around 30. Of course this doesn't take into account lecture preparation time etc.

Nope, per week, that was what he said anyway. He was running a number of different courses over the four years of the degree and a contributing lecturer to a number of other courses.

Stabshauptmann

Stepherunie wrote:

So to say that all degrees are being watered down and marked easier, I simply don't believe it.

Cool.

But I have read in national newspapers research that supports the opinion (20th March Irish times), lecturers who share the opinion (the provost of Trinity is vocal on the subject), the Observer I think ran an article about it, its is my own experience, and two siblings of mine who grade papers in two different subjects in two different universities hold the same opinion.

I dont see an abundance of research on the subject in Ireland, but there is in the USA and the UK.

Grade inflation is a problem in these countries, and I believe it is a problem here too.

Vainglory

I think UCD has one of the lowest rates of first class honours grades among all the NUI's. It's also distinctly harder to get a first in arts than it is in say, science (and it's not because we're not as smart, either.)

Stabshauptmann

Well comparing between disciplines will always be difficult. What does a regression of arts results over time look like?

Stepherunie

Kaptain Redeye wrote:

Cool.

But I have read in national newspapers research that supports the opinion (20th March Irish times), lecturers who share the opinion (the provost of Trinity is vocal on the subject), the Observer I think ran an article about it, its is my own experience, and two siblings of mine who grade papers in two different subjects in two different universities hold the same opinion.

I dont see an abundance of research on the subject in Ireland, but there is in the USA and the UK.

Grade inflation is a problem in these countries, and I believe it is a problem here too.

There's a school of thought that agree with you and then they're the school of thought that don't. I happen to be in the latter.

One reason I find is this; the previous examination system to enter into college purely relied of the need to do honours Irish and to pass the leaving Cert, there was no points requirement to enter into any course, thus of course without denying the intelligence of those entering college, there was no competition for places. It was purely a question of whether or not your parents could afford to send you to college.

Over time this changed, students are now required to gain points to enter college, and whilst some points have decrease overall despite decreasing numbers of students points continue to reach an upward trend, now one could argue that this is due to grade inflation in the secondary system though that doesn't appear to be too apparent. It could also mean that students of a higher level are entering into third level education, particularly in the NUI/TCD system.

With the increasing points for courses comes increasing work ethics, want of knowledge etc, thus students tend to perform better in college. Students are also realising that it is no longer sufficient to just have a degree to get a good job, with the increasing numbers of students in third level education comes increasing competition for jobs, thus students must achieve more and more and get better degrees to get that dream job.

Also the methods by which students are being examined in third level are changing, no longer do we rely on testing the student at one interval by one method only to prove there knowledge of subjects. More modern methods of teaching and examining are being used by all colleges which allow students to show there understanding of the material and ability to use it rather than just how good they are at regurgitating information ad nauseum.


I think the better grades students receive are more to do with a changing Ireland rather than a dumbing down of the college system.

panda100

Just wanted to ask a question.....does the type of degree you get i.e honours really matter?I know two people who qualified with 1st class honours arts degrees and they both ended up unemployed for ages and now are just working in shops in town. I know a girl then who scrapped a pass in arts and is writing for the indo now. Even in medicine the people who get honours get a good intern place and then thats about it. Surely a degree is just a degree at the end of the day and it doesnt matter what marks you get?

redcar

Ok I have a stupid question... but I am a first year, so forgive me.
When I get my results I am presuming that they will be online like Christmas. But I will need to get a printed copy of them, for my grant application.
So the question is, whats the procedure for that, go up to admin or something like that?
I would look at the UCD website but I can never get an answer from there, its always impossible.