Complaint regarding Karl Hungus

insafehands

From this thread: http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055095173

BigTommyBomb wrote:

'Shut the **** up you dirty jew'
That is a highly offensive picture Karl and moreso for me given that my wife is Jewish. Could you please remove that picture and cop yourself on.

Karl Hungus wrote:

I have removed it, but I refuse to cop on.

I, personally, feel that the behaviour of Karl Hungus was unacceptable in this situation.

The original postiing of the picture was foolish, yet the quote above would suggest that he removed it as he knew it would be removed by someone else if not him, but yet still showed stubborness and "seemingly" refused to apologise.

I'm not offended by the picture, but I can see why BTB was, and am surprised he did not pursue this course of action.

I would expect Karl Hungus would have apologised, but if not I would ask him to do so (to BTB).

ish.

therecklessone

Did you report the post?

Karl Hungus

insafehands wrote:

ish.

Ish?

Seriously though, BTB didn't ask for an apology, and he seemed content enough that I removed the said image.

So while I'm flattered that I got a complaint, is this really an issue? Do you really want an apology? If so...

hullaballoo

insafehands wrote:

From this thread: http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055095173





I, personally, feel that the behaviour of Karl Hungus was unacceptable in this situation.

The original postiing of the picture was foolish, yet the quote above would suggest that he removed it as he knew it would be removed by someone else if not him, but yet still showed stubborness and "seemingly" refused to apologise.

I'm not offended by the picture, but I can see why BTB was, and am surprised he did not pursue this course of action.

I would expect Karl Hungus would have apologised, but if not I would ask him to do so (to BTB).

ish.

You do realise you called me stupid less than an hour before you posted this thread?

I'd like to make a complaint about that. Link: http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=53321798&postcount=152.

;_;

luckat

Using such a phrase is unacceptable.

green123

circle the wagons, as usual .
no point complaining about mods or trying to argue or reason with them.
clique

6th

green123 wrote:

circle the wagons, as usual .
no point complaining about mods or trying to argue or reason with them.
clique

Oh just shut up!

insafehands

hullaball&#250 wrote:

You do realise you called me stupid less than an hour before you posted this thread?

I'd like to make a complaint about that. Link: http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=53321798&postcount=152.

;_;

So what? Start a new thread about it.

It is true that mods come to one and other's aid when necessary. Your complaint should clearly not be in this thread, but in another one.

All it does is serve the purpose of trying to undermine my argument, which, I feel, is a pretty fair one.

Before even more mods coming rushing in, I got banned from the LC forum for calling people retarded. Siteban me if you wish, but it still should take nothing away from the point I'm making here, which is that a mod made a highly derogatory remark with no reprucussions.

And, before someone uses the defence that he removed it when asked, he still did it. If I call someone a dirty n****r and then delete it 10 minutes later, I still said it and should be punished.

ish.

And as for your "apology", could you respond in a more serious way? As the way you did it would seem to suggest you think this thread is a bit of a joke.

hullaballoo

So, how can you claim to be a great vindicator of people's rights when you go around breaking the rules all the time?

You may notice that there are no repurcussions for calling me stupid. That's me, personally - you attacked me, not a group to which I belong, or to which my wife/daugher/cat/fairy godmother belongs. Posting a picture that's supposed to be a joke about a fascist's dislike for Jews doesn't really need any remedy apart from removing it. That has been done.

It may have been offensive, but it wasn't directed at anyone personally.

ecksor

Actually, he acted exactly as he should have done once the complaint about the picture was made. Apologies are a dangerous thing, especially if none was asked for.

I don't think he meant to stir any anti-semitic feeling. Borat has a lot to answer for.

Lafortezza

BRB, checking for suitable cat picture.

Lafortezza

Best I could come up with

RuggieBear

Shut the fucjk up you dirty irish

WindSock

Hey! My family is Irish. Remove that offensive picture, NOW!

insafehands

hullaball&#250 wrote:

So, how can you claim to be a great vindicator of people's rights when you go around breaking the rules all the time?

1. I never claimed to be such a person.
2. I don't go breaking rules all the time.

hullaball&#250 wrote:

You may notice that there are no repurcussions for calling me stupid.

But you see, perhaps there should be. And perhaps there may have been if I hadn't started this thread. I also believe that Feedback is a forum where it requires more to be banned than other forums, so that may also explain it.

hullaball&#250 wrote:

It may have been offensive, but it wasn't directed at anyone personally.

I like this one. If something is not directed at a particular group (which first of all, it blatantly was - Jews), then it's ok right? So what about the guy who made the joke about killing dogs in this thread. Let me guess, that's different.

You see, you take things out of context to suit yourself. You said "if it's a joke, shouldn't it be funny?", which to me is somewhat foolish, as humour is relative and what some people might find funny, other's might not. Therefore, that argument has no grounds and was merely there to add something to try and take away from the OP's argument.

Also, saying I break rules "all the time". Yesterday was the first time I've been banned/warned/anything. I've never had a problem with the "authority" on this site. If I remember correctly that is. So please, don't do that again.

EDIT: To laf and RB, is that some sort of tactic to derail the thread and remove what merit it may indeed have? Why post those pictures, surely threads in Feeback should be taken seriously, no? Those kind of things would be more suited to AH. I also noticed that Karl used those kind of pictures repeatedly in another Feedback thread. Why do it?

hullaballoo

insafehands wrote:

1. I never claimed to be such a person.
2. I don't go breaking rules all the time.

Twice in two days is about as "all the time" as I need to form that opinion thanks.

But you see, perhaps there should be. And perhaps there may have been if I hadn't started this thread. I also believe that Feedback is a forum where it requires more to be banned than other forums, so that may also explain it.

No, there wouldn't. I'm not a baby, and I don't get offended because someone on the internet tells me not to be an idiot. Especially when they're making a point that is factually untrue in the process.

I like this one. If something is not directed at a particular group (which first of all, it blatantly was - Jews), then it's ok right?

Funny, I don't remember saying it was ok. I do remember saying that since someone was offended, the remedy was to remove it. That was done, so your complaint is moot, at least in my humble opinion.

So what about the guy who made the joke about killing dogs in this thread. Let me guess, that's different.

I also don't remember agreeing with that ban. Just because I got involved with the OP doesn't mean I don't think that ban was slightly over the top.

You see, you take things out of context to suit yourself.

You're hardly one to talk.

Beecher

insafehands wrote:

I like this one. If something is not directed at a particular group (which first of all, it blatantly was - Jews), then it's ok right? So what about the guy who made the joke about killing dogs in this thread. Let me guess, that's different.

It is different. Posting a joke about killing dogs in a pet forum is not a clever thing to do and I can see the logic behind a ban there, just as I could see it if Karl had posted that image in the Jew forum (if there was one) he should also get banned for that.

seamus

Karl was asked to remove the picture he removed it.

Where's the problem here?

In fact no-one even asked for an apology, and he gave one anyway.

So where's the problem?

Karl Hungus

Beecher wrote:

It is different. Posting a joke about killing dogs in a pet forum is not a clever thing to do and I can see the logic behind a ban there, just as I could see it if Karl had posted that image in the Jew forum (if there was one) he should also get banned for that.

To be entirely honest, I just googled "STFU" and posted as many different pictures as possible. I never set out to offend anyone, and the Hitler one came up by chance, so I removed it as soon as it became an issue. It was not my intention to offend.

Boston

I demand a final solution to Karl Hungus. Onto the train with him.

seamus

Karl, you should have just said that you were quoting Cartman. Can't be blamed for that.

jhegarty

therecklessone wrote:

Did you report the post?

I did.. because he took the picture down , then put it back up again.... he only removed it after it was reported, not when he was asked to....

Karl Hungus

seamus wrote:

Karl, you should have just said that you were quoting Cartman. Can't be blamed for that.

Ok, I was quoting Cartman.

jhegarty

I can't really see how this was an honest mistake when you post it twice.

Time line of what happened :

20-05-2007, 16:43
Karl posts two pics of Hitler. One saying "Shut the **** up you dirty jew"


20-05-2007, 16:45
BigTommyBomb posts "That is a highly offensive picture Karl and moreso for me given that my wife is Jewish. Could you please remove that picture and cop yourself on."


20-05-2007, 16:48
Karl posts "I have removed it, but I refuse to cop on." and removes offensive pic


20-05-2007, 16:50
BigTommyBomb posts "Well by removing the picture you have by default copped on."


20-05-2007, 16:51
Karl posts "Ah ****... I guess I'll have to put it back now." and puts pic back up.

20-05-2007, 17:36
I report post and post "I have reported the post... that's gone way to far imo...."


20-05-2007, 17:37
karl posts "Fine, it's gone..." and removes a second time

insafehands

^ That is of interest. And would suggest that it wasn't an honest mistake.

Also Boston, I notice you post in quite a few threads backing up admins. Why?

cson

insafehands wrote:

^ That is of interest. And would suggest that it wasn't an honest mistake.

Also Boston, I notice you post in quite a few threads backing up admins. Why?

Why are you taking up someone elses case? As far as I can see what was posted in said thread had absolutely nothing to do with you. Is it because you want to fight the 'powah', is that it? Rebel against authority?

humbert

There is a big difference between saying something racist because you are racist and saying something racist that's meant to be funny. This was the latter, grow up and let it go.

The "timeline" only shows a bit of stubbornness on both parts, nothing sinister.

insafehands

humbert wrote:

There is a big difference between saying something racist because you are racist and saying something racist that's meant to be funny. This was the latter, grow up and let it go.

The same principle should then apply to the person who made a joke (and in the same post, identified as a joke) about killing a dog. He was banned for a week/month.

This to me, is more serious than making a joke about killing a dog.

cson

insafehands wrote:

The same principle should then apply to the person who made a joke (and in the same post, identified as a joke) about killing a dog. He was banned for a week/month.

This to me, is more serious than making a joke about killing a dog.

Yeah! Fight the powah!

therecklessone

insafehands wrote:

It is true that mods come to one and other's aid when necessary. Your complaint should clearly not be in this thread, but in another one.

I'll ask you again, did you report the post?

Neither complaint belongs in Feedback, if every post that possibly deserved mod action was the subject of a feedback thread then the forum would be full of pointless sh*te.

As it is, it looks like you're just on a Fight Da Powah crusade.

jhegarty wrote:

I did.. because he took the picture down , then put it back up again.... he only removed it after it was reported, not when he was asked to....

Fair play, you'd have more reason to post a thread on feedback than t'other fella.

insafehands

cson wrote:

Yeah! Fight the powah!

I laugh at you(r) (post).

ecksor

In summary, picture removed after complaint was made. This admin is happy enough unless someone can point out why I shouldn't be (this does not include you, ish).

Boston

insafehands wrote:

Also Boston, I notice you post in quite a few threads backing up admins. Why?

Your lack of cruading about the "YOU'RE A HOMO" picture also posted suggests you Pick and choose which minority groups you fight the power on behalf of. Why is that?

Time Magazine

insafehands wrote:

It is true that mods come to one and other's aid when necessary. Your complaint should clearly not be in this thread, but in another one.

I once did battle with a mod. He was in the wrong. He got in trouble and resigned soon after. The mods did not side with him.

Last week a mod lost his powas.

You're talking balls tbh.

aidan_walsh

There is no mod conspiracy.

Boston

Karl Hungus

I never said it was an honest mistake, I just said I didn't intend to cause offense. I'm not sure what exactly you want me to say, or what you want out of this thread, insafehands...

I think you're just taking the piss, ranting for the sake of ranting, so I'm just going to duck out of this thread. There's really nothing further for me to say, so go on and troll to your heart's content.

DonkeyStyle \o/

Karl Hungus wrote:

There's really nothing further for me to say

Not even funny cat pictures?

Winters

Blowfish

green123 wrote:

circle the wagons, as usual .
no point complaining about mods or trying to argue or reason with them.
clique

tallaght01

Beecher wrote:

It is different. Posting a joke about killing dogs in a pet forum is not a clever thing to do and I can see the logic behind a ban there, just as I could see it if Karl had posted that image in the Jew forum (if there was one) he should also get banned for that.

Point 1: I never thought the responses in this thread could get any lamer than "yea, fight da powah" and "did you report the post?". Although 6th has made a good attempt at topping them in the lameness category with his "Oh shut up" effort, the above quote, I would argue, takes the biscuit.

POint 2: Despite the fact that the Hungus has banned me from a thread for some harmless piss-taking, I would still back him up and assert that no offence was intended. I think offence should be taken when offence or belittlement was intended. As far as I can see, the phrase used is very Cartman-esque and has made it's way into regular usage, without offence intended. The rights and wrongs of that are another matter.

The Sweeper

Wouldn't the world be a lovely place if people only took offence when it was blatantly offered?

Unfortunately, the reality is everyone's personal experience is different. Subsequently people react differently to different things. It doesn't really matter whether or not you intend offence. People can still take exception to things that they find offensive.

Preceding racist comments with "I'm not racist, but..." does not negate the racist content of the comments.

Following promotion of violence with "...joke" does not take the power away from the words.

For a while, I had my username changed to 'MinesaBIGSLUT' on this forum in an effort to make a point about the power of words. I got PMs from people. Some thought it was funny. Some thought it vulgar. Some couldn't understand why I'd willingly associate myself with what they felt was such an abusive term.

The potential of something to offend really can't be defined by someone who isn't bothered by it.

Shiminay

Can we please get the point across that a Mod is NOT A MOD OUTSIDE OF HIS/HER OWN FKING BOARD? We are users just as lame and prone to silliness as you when we're not on the boards we patrol. The only perk of being a mod is the coke and hookers we get at an initiation party...

amp

Ah let them think of us a power-hungry, fascist, communist, clique - forever riding around feedback in our fancy wagons. Forever waiting for the secret signal from Mod HQ to begin circling. At the very least it will distract them from our highly illegal prostitution and cocaine operations.

Feedback just wouldn't be the best damn forum outside of tCN otherwise.

CATS! BRING ON THE CATS! AND THE HAMSTER TOO!

Lump

I'd like to complain that the picture was removed, Karl you didn't offend me, can we have it back?

John

Tar.Aldarion

It offends my people that it was taken down, and we roamed the plains of these lands 10, 000 years before them.

Boston

I R 4 Star Fear Me

Anti

Cats you say?

6th

therecklessone

tallaght01 wrote:

Point 1: I never thought the responses in this thread could get any lamer than "yea, fight da powah" and "did you report the post?". Although 6th has made a good attempt at topping them in the lameness category with his "Oh shut up" effort, the above quote, I would argue, takes the biscuit.

There's nothing lame about asking if the post was reported.

Feedback isn't the place to raise the issue, if it needed raising at all. If he had a problem with a post, there's the option to report it. It'll be looked at and action taken if required.

This thread is pointless if the OP didn't bother reporting the "offensive" post. As it is, its either attention seeking or trolling. I've not made my mind up which it is yet.