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hand still annoying me.

  • 23-05-2007 10:28am
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 446 ✭✭


    stacks 15k ish level 1 off the tourny.
    i get dealt kk.. blinds 25 / 50 utg limps utg+1 limps i make it 300..... utg and utg+1 both call.
    flop AAA.... check check i bet 325... call fold. turn 10 . check check. river 4 utg leads for 1900...........action????????


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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,110 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tar.Aldarion


    How big are the stacks.
    Call and cry.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,537 ✭✭✭Ste05


    Pretty standard call, you raise and he folds absolutely everything except an A (the only hand that beats you).

    Because of the pretty terrible flop bet you're really left with no choice but to call.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 985 ✭✭✭sock.rocker*


    call.. you have second nuts and 1900 isnt gonna kill u wit a stack of 15000 startin the hand


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,110 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tar.Aldarion


    Oh I missed the stacks, realllly easy call.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,434 ✭✭✭✭LuckyLloyd


    This post has been deleted.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,894 ✭✭✭✭phantom_lord


    call.

    he probably has 44!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,793 ✭✭✭bops


    the pot and your stack says you should call


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 722 ✭✭✭busted flush


    def call:mad:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 256 ✭✭poorbarman


    call,its not going to break you and a lot of muppets think they can buy a pot like that with any two.:rolleyes:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,286 ✭✭✭✭mdwexford


    easy call


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 512 ✭✭✭WH BONNEY


    I call.

    But it would be easy to justify folding having only invested 625 in the pot. I also like his river bet (assuming he has the ace), it smacks of somebody trying to buy the pot and might just get called by a strong holding like yours.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 446 ✭✭pppspecial


    there was also a bit off speech play in the hand.. villain said.. whilst thinking off calling the flop bet off 325"" you have JJ or QQ" and then called.... if he said nothing at all i woulda called but he looked very comfortable.
    I also said on the river that there was only 1 card that could beat me and he grinned even more. folded the hand face up which in turn gave me the captains seat on the table unfortunatly we got moved soon after.


    does any1s answer change now.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 512 ✭✭✭WH BONNEY


    As a matter of interest, was your thinking or actions influenced in any way by your not so distant experiences (i'm thinking of the Red Cow) of having KK & exiting in the early level of a number of tournies in succession.

    I know they were different scenarios but have they made you more cautious in your approach within the early stages of a tourney ?.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 446 ✭✭pppspecial


    no im still liable to go out in the first hand off an mtt. every situation is different. hahahahahaha. that was funny.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,810 ✭✭✭✭jimmii


    If I had an ace here i'd bet 1900 as well as many players will call here with a lot of hands just because they don't believe you have an ace. How experienced a player are they? They seem pretty comfortable with the hand so there is no shame laying this down. Showing the fold is also going to give you a pretty strong image which you can hopefully take advantage of.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,751 ✭✭✭BigCityBanker


    pppspecial wrote:
    there was also a bit off speech play in the hand.. villain said.. whilst thinking off calling the flop bet off 325"" you have JJ or QQ" and then called.... if he said nothing at all i woulda called but he looked very comfortable.

    does any1s answer change now.

    Dave to be honest its pretty pointless posting a hand for comments if you dont provide all available info.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 446 ✭✭pppspecial


    Dave to be honest its pretty pointless posting a hand for comments if you dont provide all available info.


    if u have nothing constructive to say dont post at all.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,537 ✭✭✭Ste05


    pppspecial wrote:
    if u have nothing constuctive to say dont post at all.
    I thought it was pretty constructive, he has a point you know.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 446 ✭✭pppspecial


    Dave to be honest its pretty pointless posting a hand for comments if you dont provide all available info.


    if u have nothing constructive to say dont post at all.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 446 ✭✭pppspecial


    well i dont and its my thread pee off the 2 off yas..lol


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,724 ✭✭✭eoghan104


    pppspecial wrote:
    if u have nothing constuctive to say dont post at all.
    It is true though in fairness. When you tell us he gave you that bit of speechplay and then say he looked really comfortable its going to totally change how people feel about the hand. So its pointless posting the hand without reads.

    Did he show the Ace by the way?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 446 ✭✭pppspecial


    ok ok i forgot a little info in the hand. woke up this morning thinking about it and since it was a day off ive had a few. sorry ste sorry bcb.

    no he didnt show at all .. i asked him afterwards and he told me he had a8. also vera said he told her about the hand and she said it was a good lay down. but im still not convinced.. ohhh hell its wrecking my head.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,698 ✭✭✭semibluff


    i dont see any problem in posting it without the other info - it may mean we need to make two seperate decisions with the two differences in facts, and perhaps he didnt want to influence the first decision with the information of the speechplay.
    it was seperated into two seperate questions. No harm


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 512 ✭✭✭WH BONNEY


    pppspecial wrote:
    no im still liable to go out in the first hand off an mtt. every situation is different. hahahahahaha. that was funny.

    I wasnt trying to be funny.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,724 ✭✭✭eoghan104


    pppspecial wrote:
    ok ok i forgot a little info in the hand. woke up this morning thinking about it and since it was a day off ive had a few. sorry ste sorry bcb.

    no he didnt show at all .. i asked him afterwards and he told me he had a8. also vera said he told her about the hand and she said it was a good lay down. but im still not convinced.. ohhh hell its wrecking my head.
    Obviously he was going to tell you he had the ace either way but if he also told someone else seperate from you thats a very good indication that he did infact have it.
    Good laydown.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 567 ✭✭✭Solksjaer


    Easy calll in fact, I'd reraise. If he has an A he has one. Don't see it often enough here to fold. Add it to the bad beat column if he has a poker.....

    table image is only good if nobody knows you already.. and everyone knows PPP is a celebrity (especially PPP):)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,810 ✭✭✭✭jimmii


    I don't know who he is but I haven't been around that long!

    Without the reads it a totally analytical aspect people are putting on the hand similar to it being an online game which is an angle you should always consider when playing live before adding the physical reads you are getting to it so splitting the information like that puts us more in the players position.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,448 ✭✭✭Lazare


    pppspecial wrote:
    there was also a bit off speech play in the hand.. villain said.. whilst thinking off calling the flop bet off 325"" you have JJ or QQ" and then called.... if he said nothing at all i woulda called but he looked very comfortable.
    I also said on the river that there was only 1 card that could beat me and he grinned even more. folded the hand face up which in turn gave me the captains seat on the table unfortunatly we got moved soon after.


    does any1s answer change now.


    I still call.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 9,035 Mod ✭✭✭✭mewso


    pppspecial wrote:
    well i dont and its my thread pee off the 2 off yas..lol

    Deffinately still annoying you allright.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 636 ✭✭✭Gus Ivey


    pppspecial wrote:
    stacks 15k ish level 1 off the tourny.
    i get dealt kk.. blinds 25 / 50 utg limps utg+1 limps i make it 300..... utg and utg+1 both call.
    flop AAA.... check check i bet 325... call fold. turn 10 . check check. river 4 utg leads for 1900...........action????????


    just call Dave. Its so early that you dont need to win a huge pot. Your good enough to make chips yourself.

    Also If you raise his bet he will probobly fold a weaker house or raise with an ace!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,323 ✭✭✭padraig_f


    I think a fold is right. No-one ever value-bets that much with a weaker hand on the river because they know they can only get called by an ace. So I think on the river, he's either bluffing or he has the ace.

    And there's no reason to think he's bluffing, he's check-called out-of-position on the flop with another player still to act behind him. That would be a pretty unusual float to attempt. I would've called a half pot bet on the river because that could be a value-bet with a weaker hand, but I fold to his oversize bet.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,448 ✭✭✭Lazare


    Gus Ivey wrote:
    just call Dave. Its so early that you dont need to win a huge pot. Your good enough to make chips yourself.

    Also If you raise his bet he will probobly fold a weaker house or raise with an ace!


    Maybe I'm wrong, but I think he was asking should he call or fold, I doubt raising ever came into his head.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,894 ✭✭✭✭phantom_lord


    raising is insane.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 450 ✭✭Blip


    Its a DEFFO call for me, your only behind to the ace which is rare.

    I think he would have shown the A if he had it, if just to turn over the poker, is that why its still annoying you?

    But hey, you laid down and got two verble confirmations later he was holding, so WP and move on.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,443 ✭✭✭califano


    Nothing wrong with folding here if you really think he has it providing you dont think the fold will make you play tiltily thereafter.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,048 ✭✭✭Flipper


    Dunno if this helps Dave but I played a hand really similiar to this during the Xmas Festival in the Macau.

    Blinds were 100/200 and I'm in the BB with about 14k (covering villain). Villain (TAG player) makes it 600 UTG+2 and I'm the only caller with AJ. Flop was JJJ. I lead at it :) for 1k and he makes it 3k. I call. Turn is a blank (obv) and I check, he checks. River is another small card and I check again. I'm now positive he has AA or KK and he does what I expect, he bet 5k. I shove and he takes an eternity to fold KK face up


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 106 ✭✭rekoJ


    I was at your table for this hand Dave, I know he told you he had A 8, however when he was folding his hand i saw 10 X, I thought it was a good fold


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 106 ✭✭rekoJ


    Edit: When he was throwing in his card I saw A X


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 636 ✭✭✭Gus Ivey


    Lazare wrote:
    Maybe I'm wrong, but I think he was asking should he call or fold, I doubt raising ever came into his head.
    yea sry read it wrong!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 15 variance


    i was to ur "right" for this hand and i think i seen a 10 in his hand not an ace!! it was said at the time that we thought we saw a 10. i wud of called in this spot i think.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 15 variance


    another point, the villan in this hand could of been the type of player to call with two high cards in the hope of filling his house, and the ten hit on the turn and maybe thought he was good to go!!! tough decision tho, definately not wrong to fold it as the hand had not cost you too much!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,187 ✭✭✭Flushdraw


    I also saw a 10 in his hand. You were pwned..


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 985 ✭✭✭sock.rocker*


    this thread went to crap.. no one is gonna learn anything from it except its a call.

    no reason other than u cant fold 2nd nuts to such a small bet compared to stack sizes...


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 9,035 Mod ✭✭✭✭mewso


    This is very bad form from the mods. I mean you gave them a full minute after your declaration that this thread should be locked and they didn't do it. Shoddy indeed.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,696 ✭✭✭Hectorjelly


    wtf is up with people and locking threads, a few random off topic posts are unlikely to injure anyone


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 9,035 Mod ✭✭✭✭mewso


    Ouch my brain.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 106 ✭✭rekoJ


    Edit 10 X

    well done on the cash variance


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 985 ✭✭✭sock.rocker*


    sry ppl.. dnt even remember writin them so i deleted the second one


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 15 variance


    i didnt cash rekoj, knocked out in 40 odd place by dougee!!! wat seat where you in?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,506 ✭✭✭Shortstack


    seat 9


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