Fur Protestors

Jonesy3110

So im in work, and theres a load of noisy protestors outside, protesting Fur Factories in Ireland ( I think )
Now I’m totally against fur products, it disgusts me completely.
But these protestors are standing around holding up boards with pictures of skinned animals.
It got me thinking, is that really necessary? Should protestors (These fur protestors, and Pro-lifers outside the GPO jump to mind) be allowed to use these shock tactics to push their beliefs on us, or should they use other means?
And won’t somebody please think of the children?!?

cance

tree hugging, smelly over opinionated hippies.

wonder how many of them were wearing leather shoes?

Pro lifers/anti fur etc all get a good spitting on from me. especially when they use disturbing images around children.

Jonesy3110

tree hugging, smelly over opinionated hippies.

wonder how many of them were wearing leather shoes?

Pro lifers/anti fur etc all get a good spitting on from me. especially when they use disturbing images around children.

Yay Im not alone!

And yay 100th post!

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

yes they should be allowed, and anti abortion people should be allowed use pics of aborted foetus..us..
foetii ?

doesn't mean they're not all idiots, but you can't control opinion with law.

Slow Motion

Mordeth wrote:

yes they should be allowed, and anti abortion people should be allowed use pics of aborted foetus..us..
foetii ?

doesn't mean they're not all idiots, but you can't control opinion with law.

I don't disagree with you here, bu I do disagree with the way they do it, in your face regardless of wether you might have a young kid in tow, if they were to put up a billboard with such images on it how long would it be before they got jumped on from a height ?

Degsy

Typically middle class or above,these opinionated idiots dont know **** from shinola about what happens in the real world.The fur trade,like any other industry provides people with jobs,puts food on tables and sends people's children to school.The same idiots who want to ban small scale whaling amongst inuit communities because they feel there's some kind of ethical issue with killing non-endangered mammals..the people are dependant on the whaling to survive..they dont do it because they're sadistic savages,anymore than the fur industry skins animals alive.These bloody pinko tree huggers are the scum of the earth,they need a dose of starvation and hardship themselves then they might get a grip,the stinking hippies.

burnedfaceman

Degsy wrote:

Typically middle class or above,these opinionated idiots dont know **** from shinola about what happens in the real world.The fur trade,like any other industry provides people with jobs,puts food on tables and sends people's children to school.The same idiots who want to ban small scale whaling amongst inuit communities because they feel there's some kind of ethical issue with killing non-endangered mammals..the people are dependant on the whaling to survive..they dont do it because they're sadistic savages,anymore than the fur industry skins animals alive.These bloody pinko tree huggers are the scum of the earth,they need a dose of starvation and hardship themselves then they might get a grip,the stinking hippies.

i agree with degsy on this one all of these people have too much time on their hands there is plenty of problems in our own society that these people wouldnt put any effort into raising awareness of yet they get up on their moral pedestal about killing a couple of animals bred for this purpose. i suppose they are vegans too and dont ever use any animal related products.

bites his thumb disapprovingly in his fur coat:D

0ubliette

Degsy wrote:

The same idiots who want to ban small scale whaling amongst inuit communities because they feel there's some kind of ethical issue with killing non-endangered mammals..the people are dependant on the whaling to survive..they dont do it because they're sadistic savages,anymore than the fur industry skins animals alive..

I was in washington state last year with my gf (shes american) and the local indian tribe, the Suquamish, had previously lobbied the government to allow them to hunt whales off the coast of washington as it was part of thier tribes ancient culture yadda yadda. So the government caved and said 'okay, you can hunt 6 whales per year, on the condition that they only be used as food for your family/trible whatever'.
So the indians go out in thier boats, kill a bunch of whales, take a token bite of the whale flesh, and then flogged the lot of it to the japanese for a small fortune
Needless to say, the next year whaling was banned by the government again...

Dyr

the general public dont have anything to do with the consumption of fur though so why are they protesting at us?

if they did something creative like rifled through fur shops record's on the sly to find their customers addresses and then called around the house and put their family to death and skinned them then I, for one, would applaud their gumption. But no, always the easy option with these types.

HelterSkelter

Degsy, have you seen any of the videos of the animals being skinned alive for their fur on the net? I saw one video where they were capturing badgers (I think), they just cut the skin off them while they were still alive. They also cut the animals feet, ears and paws off as it helps remove the fur. They then proceeded to throw the animals, many of them still alive, into a pile where they died slowly. Now I am no pinko, nor am I middle class but I find this kind of thing disguisting. I've no problem with non-endangered animals being hunted and killed in a more humaine way but practises like this have to be highlighted.

frizzefreckles

I remember seeing those posters from the pro-lifers outside the GPO when I was only little and the images are something that scared the life out of me for years, I wouldn't walk past the GPO because of it. I don't think they are something that 5 and 6 year olds should be exposed to and therefore shouldn't be in the middle of O'Connell St.
I haven't really seen the fur protesters so can't say anything about them.

humanji

In fairness, that's not how fur is usually collected. The viseos you see floating around the net are either facked by groups like PETA or are extremes that you that rarely happen but are circulated as misinformation on how all animals are skinned..

Degsy

humanji wrote:

In fairness, that's not how fur is usually collected. The viseos you see floating around the net are either facked by groups like PETA or are extremes that you that rarely happen but are circulated as misinformation on how all animals are skinned..

Agreed.Its a tightly regulated industry and one that is not unaware of the the fact that namy-pamby liberals are spying on thier every move.As for the person who claims to have seen badgers skinned alive,to the best of my knowledge nowhere collects badger skins commercially and secondly if you try to skin a badger alive you wont be playing the tin whistle for a while.

biko

Usually the animals are given a nice meal and then a tiny needle is inserted into a vein and some drugs injected. They are then placed on a cushion and the pelt gently removed by virgins.

At least that what my mammy told about the baby seals...

HelterSkelter

Degsy wrote:

Agreed.Its a tightly regulated industry and one that is not unaware of the the fact that namy-pamby liberals are spying on thier every move.As for the person who claims to have seen badgers skinned alive,to the best of my knowledge nowhere collects badger skins commercially and secondly if you try to skin a badger alive you wont be playing the tin whistle for a while.

Go search for it on youtube, it's there.

raido9

Saw the video, don't think they were badgers, more like: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raccoon_dog

Degsy

HelterSkelter wrote:

Go search for it on youtube, it's there.

And who put it there?Hippies?They probably faked the whole thing.
Check this vid out,read the blurb,watch the video then read what everybody else thinks.
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=8eb_1179125551&c=1&page=7

Heisenberg.

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Degsy

The Scientist wrote:

Hippies.
That dude should have got out of the mini van and taken a lump hammer to the bikes.

that was america..they were very lucky hippies not to have been shot for stopping somebody's vehicle.

Kintarō Hattori

frizzefreckles wrote:

I remember seeing those posters from the pro-lifers outside the GPO when I was only little and the images are something that scared the life out of me for years, I wouldn't walk past the GPO because of it. I don't think they are something that 5 and 6 year olds should be exposed to and therefore shouldn't be in the middle of O'Connell St.
I haven't really seen the fur protesters so can't say anything about them.

Have to say I agree with you frizzie. They really are horrendous images that a child shouldn't have to see.

Fratton Fred

I'm sure all the starving children in the world are pleased that there are wealthy people in Europe who are so concerned with a ****ing animal.

When we sort out all the worlds problems, then I'll start to worry about a few glorified rats with long hair.

tbh

Jonesy3110 wrote:

So im in work, and theres a load of noisy protestors outside, protesting Fur Factories in Ireland ( I think )
Now I’m totally against fur products, it disgusts me completely.
But these protestors are standing around holding up boards with pictures of skinned animals.
It got me thinking, is that really necessary? Should protestors (These fur protestors, and Pro-lifers outside the GPO jump to mind) be allowed to use these shock tactics to push their beliefs on us, or should they use other means?
And won’t somebody please think of the children?!?

would you be discussing them if they'd been politely handing out leaflets?

dotsman

Degsy wrote:

And who put it there?Hippies?They probably faked the whole thing.
Check this vid out,read the blurb,watch the video then read what everybody else thinks.
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=8eb_1179125551&c=1&page=7

Hippy_Reporter wrote:

Three bicycles were destroyed and two demonstrators were injured and bleeding, although they refused medical treatment at the scene. Two children who were traumatized cried; a young woman who was injured cried.

I think the only reason the kids were crying was because their dad was shouting at the old lady and the hippy camerman was shoving his camera into their face (mom looked cute though!)

Ag marbh

Fair play to them.

The pictures serve a purpose- they show whats really happening to animals. Poor you walking by getting an upset stomach because the sight of reality is too much to take. Maybe you should join them to reduce exploitation and then the desperate act of displaying reality to the public may not be needed.

Ag marbh

Fratton Fred wrote:

When we sort out all the worlds problems, then I'll start to worry about a few glorified rats with long hair.

No you wont. You couldnt give a toss either way as long as you're comfortable by the sound of your post.

Dave!

Yes, they should be allowed to do it.

I'm not into fur (hehe), but if I were, and a group of those c*nts threw paint on me (as the some of them do), then I'd laugh and then buy another coat (if I were rich, of course). It'd be gas if I had enough money to keep buying new coats and having them throw paint at it, and thus they'd be indirectly giving money to the fur industry! Oh the fun I could have if I were rich..........

nlgbbbblth

Mordeth wrote:

yes they should be allowed, and anti abortion people should be allowed use pics of aborted foetus..us..
foetii ?

anti-fur protestors with photos of skinned animals = should be allowed

pro-life protestors with photos of foetuses = should not be allowed

Tricity Bendix

Bambi wrote:

the general public dont have anything to do with the consumption of fur though so why are they protesting at us?

Because fur farms are legal in Ireland. In order to make them illegal, these protestors wish to highlight the inhumanity of the situation so as to get the general public behind them.

nlgbbbblth wrote:

pro-life protestors with photos of foetuses = should not be allowed

Why not? I find pictures can be very useful in persuading people that what is happening is the destruction of human life.

Oriel

I read the thread title.
I have no idea what the thread is about, nor do I care.
But I had to post:
http://www.virologie.med.tum.de/eat_more-chickin.jpg

Degsy

Ag marbh wrote:

Fair play to them.

The pictures serve a purpose- they show whats really happening to animals. Poor you walking by getting an upset stomach because the sight of reality is too much to take. Maybe you should join them to reduce exploitation and then the desperate act of displaying reality to the public may not be needed.

Then why dont the stinking hippies show pictures of cows and sheep being slaughtered as well?Because most of them arent vegatarians and they like to cherry-pick what they find offensive.Bloody fools are probably only doing it to piss people off and get soembody to pay attention to them.

Tar.Aldarion

degsy wrote:

they dont do it because they're sadistic savages,anymore than the fur industry skins animals alive..

You actually believe that? That animals don't get skinned alive in the fur trade?

Crucifix

I used to work near a shop that sold fur coats (I assume) and there'd often be protestors outside. A good cause it may be, but they were some scary people.

Ag marbh

Degsy wrote:

Then why dont the stinking hippies show pictures of cows and sheep being slaughtered as well?Because most of them arent vegatarians and they like to cherry-pick what they find offensive.Bloody fools are probably only doing it to piss people off and get soembody to pay attention to them.

If you honestly believe that they sit around and pick and choose what they find offensive for personal gain e.g attention, well then you are suffering from mild delusions.

A psychotic episode from your steroids maybe?

Giblet

Ag marbh wrote:

If you honestly believe that they sit around and pick and choose what they find offensive for personal gain e.g attention, well then you are suffering from mild delusions.

A psychotic episode from your steroids maybe?

Ah personal attack. Banned.

Degsy

Tar.Aldarion wrote:

You actually believe that? That animals don't get skinned alive in the fur trade?

It MAY happen but its not the norm and certainly not something thats done out of sadism.The unfortunate thing is that animals are considered considerably below humans in the scheme of things and as such thier feelings arent really taken into account,especially when there's money involved.The fur trade is no crueler than the meat trade,the leather industry or whatever industry provides animal-based fertilisers to grow vegetables for vegetarians.

Slow Motion

Degsy wrote:

whatever industry provides animal-based fertilisers to grow vegetables for vegetarians.

Q.E.D. Clever bugger

Tar.Aldarion

Degsy wrote:

It MAY happen but its not the norm and certainly not something thats done out of sadism.The unfortunate thing is that animals are considered considerably below humans in the scheme of things and as such thier feelings arent really taken into account,especially when there's money involved.The fur trade is no crueler than the meat trade,the leather industry

No, it is not more cruel, nor less. I'm sure some protesters are hypocritical and some are not. I don't know what is the norm, but it happens a lot in other countries.

or whatever industry provides animal-based fertilisers to grow vegetables for vegetarians.

Haber-bosch process.

nesf

nlgbbbblth wrote:

anti-fur protestors with photos of skinned animals = should be allowed

pro-life protestors with photos of foetuses = should not be allowed

I don't know, both groups can make their points without using disgusting imagery. Then again, shock tactics are affective so you can't blame them really. Some of them probably really do think animals deserve the same rights as people or some other nonsense.

Tar.Aldarion

http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Spanish_Socialist_Workers'_Party_proposes_human_rights_bill_for_great_apes
http://www.philly.com/dailynews/national/20070505_Theyre_going_ape_in_Austria.html

nesf

Tar.Aldarion wrote:

http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Spanish_Socialist_Workers'_Party_proposes_human_rights_bill_for_great_apes
http://www.philly.com/dailynews/national/20070505_Theyre_going_ape_in_Austria.html

Oh dear. Well at least it wasn't a mink or something that they were saying should have the right to vote...

kowloon

A lot of them just think theyre doing the right thing and that the ends more than justifies the means, any kid shocked by one of these posters is "saved" in their eyes.

Meat and fur production just need to be regulated for humane kills,
chickens get it pretty bad, the cows and sheep have a great time by comparison.

All that said, if i was a better shot i would wipe out and skin half the foxes in Ireland as a lesson to the rest..........:D

Mink should be shot on sight

The_Minister

Mink are horrible creatures. I really don't care if they are killed.

nesf

The_Minister wrote:

Mink are horrible creatures. I really don't care if they are killed.

I'm fairly convinced that people who let them back "into the wild" here have never seen what they will actually do the local wildlife.

Degsy

nesf wrote:

I'm fairly convinced that people who let them back "into the wild" here have never seen what they will actually do the local wildlife.

Because they actually dont understand the balance of nature.The bastards who outlawed foxhunting in england have now ensured that foxes will be gassed en masse in thier burrows as opposed to being pursued individually by hounds.

Slow Motion

Tar.Aldarion wrote:

http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Spanish_Socialist_Workers'_Party_proposes_human_rights_bill_for_great_apes
http://www.philly.com/dailynews/national/20070505_Theyre_going_ape_in_Austria.html

Aha I see you've found the missing link

Getting coat now

nesf

Degsy wrote:

Because they actually dont understand the balance of nature.The bastards who outlawed foxhunting in england have now ensured that foxes will be gassed en masse in thier burrows as opposed to being pursued individually by hounds.

Or trapped but I don't have much of an issue with hunting in and of itself. Fox hunting can be annoying though when it strays into land they haven't permission to hunt on though (which is a different issue).

Fratton Fred

Ag marbh wrote:

No you wont. You couldnt give a toss either way as long as you're comfortable by the sound of your post.

Yeah, you're probably right. I couldn't give a toss about animals, in the grand scheme of things, they are just errr animals.

Lemming

Fur. Beautiful animals worn by ugly women.

People making remarks about leather are missing a fundamental point. Cows and sheep aren't skinned alive and then discarded to die slowly. Most fur animals are. And are kept in miserable, appalling conditions followed by a brutal death.

Quite frankly I feel sick every time I see someone wearing fur and I want to scream at them for being f*cktards. Pig ignorant f*cktards who only care about when the next prada bag is being released.

Degsy

Lemming wrote:

Cows and sheep aren't skinned alive and then discarded to die slowly. Most fur animals are.

No they arent.Have you any idea what would happen if you tried to skin a mink or a wolverine alive?

Lemming

Degsy wrote:

No they arent.Have you any idea what would happen if you tried to skin a mink or a wolverine alive?

*sigh* Mink and Wolverine are not "most animals" now are they? :rolleyes:

Do you think the fur industry consists of mink and wolverine farming? Go back to bed everyone, nothing to see here. Here, watch Big Brother. here's 26 channels of this sh*t. Go back to bed everyone, there's nothing to be concerned about ...

And if you attempted to skin a mink or a wolverine alive (and hopefully some prick somewhere has tried this) I should imagine you'd get mauled badly if not killed, and deserverdly so.

Degsy

Lemming wrote:

*sigh* Mink and Wolverine are not "most animals" now are they? :rolleyes:

Do you think the fur industry consists of mink and wolverine farming? Go back to bed everyone, nothing to see here. Here, watch Big Brother. here's 26 channels of this sh*t. Go back to bed everyone, there's nothing to be concerned about ...

And if you attempted to skin a mink or a wolverine alive (and hopefully some prick somewhere has tried this) I should imagine you'd get mauled badly if not killed, and deserverdly so.

*sigh*

http://www.iftf.com/iftf_2_3_1.php