[iPod] why do people still buy i-pods?

Macspower

I have a fear of getting flamed or banned for this one but here goes.....

Was diccussing this with my friend last night.........
It's simple. people buy i-craps because they are sheep..... they know no better........ there are millions sold so they must be good..........so they tell themselves....

I dont blame the punters I blame the PMP companies for letting Apple corner the market. why don't they advertise their products?

People buy i-craps because they are ignorant and don't know any better... it is the resposibility of the market to let people know that there are alternatives to the i-pod

my own favourite is the Creative Zen Vision m but I own quite a few PMP's and this is the best... the cheapest one in our house is one belonging to my son that was bought in ALDI and it sounds better than my wife's i-pod.

Creative get your finger out and don't let the fruit macines run all over you...!!!

AM I WRONG?

Mac

Creamy Goodness

why do some people eat oranges?
why do some people eat apples?
or why do some people eat pears?

some people buy them cause they like the fashion.
some people buy them cause they are sheep.
some people buy them cause it does what they want them to do.

it's that simple, what's it to you though if people buy in your books a subpar audio player? who cares seriously, if they are happy and you are happy with your audio player why give the slightest inkling that you give a ****?

i've had an ipod and iriver and tbh i was happy with the two devices, true the iriver was the better device with more features but my god it was huge.

people who slag people off for buying ipods seriously irk me.

Sangre

I had an iriver h140, now I have an 8gb ipod nano. It did what I wanted for a price I was willing to pay. Baaaa.

ZorbaTehZ

I've owned an iriver, a creative and iPod at one point or another - and imo iPod is the best of them. Only thing that I get half-bugged about is the battery life, and even with that I still like it better than the others.

As for that "buying iPod because people are sheep" argument - I would think that that is correct in the sense that there is a certain snob factor when it comes to iPods.

Macspower

ZorbaTehZ wrote:

As for that "buying iPod because people are sheep" argument - I would think that that is correct in the sense that there is a certain snob factor when it comes to iPods.

Agree with this..... I get this on a regular basis... someone looks at my ZEN and says " ohh nice i-pod" and then when they realise "ohh it's not an i-pod....right" in a kind of snobbery kind of way......

As I said I don't blame the punter but the companies that let the fruit machines run over the market..

PMP's in my house...

ipod 2gb ---wiffey----she's happy with it but only listens to it through standard headphones...... tried to tell her when she was buying it but she just bleated her way to the shop and bought it...... i refused to buy her one despite numerous hints but offered to buy her an alternative but she said she wanted an "original" not a copy............(grounds for divorce?). She listens to regular chart music and pop

Tevion (aldi) ----son

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listens to it through shure e3's and my Senn HD25 if he can get his hands on them.... excellent little player for the money but has to use an adapter to use standard size jack...Listens to all sorts of boom boom DJ stuff

Creative ZEN Touch---- now kind of redundant but great sound and was the machine of it's day...

Creative Zen Vision M

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my own personal favourite which as replaced the above one

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I listen to it through either Shure E4's or my favourite Sennheiser HD25's. Mainly used for music but I do have some video on it just to keep the kids happy. it could be improved in a few ways but it's a cracking machine... Listen to a lot of blues...chart music.... lots of rock..... metal sometimes.... easy listening....

Mac

art

Macspower wrote:

AM I WRONG?

Mac

Yeah. And you sound like a child too, calling the iPod "i-crap". There's very little to distinguish between any of the modern mp3 players in terms of overall quality but each has it's strengths, and that includes the iPod range.

merritt

This sort of thread pops up so regularly in here.

Anyway, providing you rip your music nice and high, get decent headphones, what exactly is so 'crap' about the iPod? It's compact, light, fuss-free software, good accessories..

mikemac

Every time I come into this forum looking for info, someone is always attacking ipods. Getting sick of it.

Guess what, most people are not as tech savvy or aware as your average boards user.(some would say nerd )
Not everyone knows about compression, mp3, ogg, etc
Hell, I did a computer science degree and still know very little on all this stuff.

And unless demand perfect quality, why would you need to know?
I couldn't justify paying €20 on a pair of headphones and there are threads here about paying over €100.

I've owned a few mp3 players and the ipod is the best I've ever owned. Easy to use and attractive to look at. That's all I want and I'd say that's all your average consumer wants. Is that acceptable to you OP?

AFAIK, the Zen doesn't work on mac either so it's not an option for me or a lot of other people either.

Macspower

micmclo wrote:

Every time I come into this forum looking for info, someone is always attacking ipods.

So I'm not alone? thats good.... maybe we'll be the new sheep.......

Anyway, providing you rip your music nice and high, get decent headphones, what exactly is so 'crap' about the iPod? It's compact, light, fuss-free software, good accessories..

agreed a good PMP will sounds worse then an i-pod with good headphones...... if ya know what i mean.... but comparing like with like there is no comparison... (just my opinion)

I'll re-ask the question.... "why do people buy i-pods?"
if it's for the accessories that makes sense
if it's to look cool... that makes sense
if it's the snob factor...thats cool too.
If it's for sound and pic quality you need to do more research.... thats all i'm saying....

Just wondering......

Gran Hermano

Horses for courses as the saying goes.

I know I'm rather happy with my Zen Vision M, but then again I'm
rather particular about the sound quality and haven't found the
quality from the Ipods that good. And the Iriver H140 sure had a much
better DAC than the Ipod and the Zen isn't far behind the Iriver.

If your music collection is a load of 128kps MP3s or the Ipod restricted/DRM
equivalent and you're happy listening with the OEM earphones I can understand
the list of replies above wondering what the fuss is all about

However if you're bothered about quality you'll appreciate a decent DAC
and if you're going to go through the effort of ripping your music collection
you may as well do it properly. Exact Audio Converter with alt preset
extreme setting combined with a set of Shures will give top results and
you'll wonder how you put up with dodgy sound quality in the past.

For those interested in wondering what the difference is:
http://www.chrismyden.com/bestmp3guide.php
is a bloody good guide on how to rip properly.
(But if you're using the bundled ipod earphones you're urinating into
gale force wind).

Macspower

Gran Hermano wrote:

Horses for courses as the saying goes.

I know I'm rather happy with my Zen Vision M, but then again I'm
rather particular about the sound quality and haven't found the
quality from the Ipods that good. And the Iriver H140 sure had a much
better DAC than the Ipod and the Zen isn't far behind the Iriver.

If your music collection is a load of 128kps MP3s or the Ipod restricted/DRM
equivalent and you're happy listening with the OEM earphones I can understand
the list of replies above wondering what the fuss is all about

However if you're bothered about quality you'll appreciate a decent DAC
and if you're going to go through the effort of ripping your music collection
you may as well do it properly. Exact Audio Converter with alt preset
extreme setting combined with a set of Shures will give top results and
you'll wonder how you put up with dodgy sound quality in the past.

For those interested in wondering what the difference is:
http://www.chrismyden.com/bestmp3guide.php
is a bloody good guide on how to rip properly.
(But if you're using the bundled ipod earphones you're urinating into
gale force wind).

well said Gran....

have to agree with the ripping issue.... I've re-ripped all my collection when I got the Senn HD25's as the quality was noticable....

Investment of the year is a good set of headphones before you go changing your PMP. for me it's shure ec4's for in ear and Senn hd25's for cans......

I apologise to the i-pod brigade because if your using std headphones you prob don't even notice what I'm on about.... I just can't understand with all the great PMP's out there why someone would pay ott for an i-pod if it's sound quality they are looking for...... but then again maybe it's not wht they are looking for ....

Mac

art

So, you don't use the Zen's earphones at all with the Creative Player - presumably because they're not good enough. Yet the "iPod" is rubbish because the earphones aren't good enough ... erm ... :rolleyes:

The sound quality in recent generation iPods is excellent (a lot higher than the earlier generation) - given that I frequently hook mine up to speakers at home I know it's not down to the earphones, though I bought a pair of sennheisers after falling prey to this audio-snobicity about iPod standard earphones. For what you are usually doing with a mobile player, ie playing it on the move and not sitting in a silent room, holding tightly to the contents of your anus, trying to appreciate frequency ranges above the pitch the human ear can respond to, the standard earphones are more than perfectly adequate.

The reason for buying an iPod then is very good build quality, good sound, good software (in terms of ease of use, speed of transfer), good battery life in current models, access to iTunes shop, access to broad and useful range of accessories, one of the better looking players available, good capacity offered, widely available.

Against. No radio (my phone has one so not an issue for me). Small screen for videos (want it for music not videos though). Relatively more expensive than some other players (which given the plus points above, is acceptable to me).

The only sheep involved there are those that can't make objective judgements on these qualities and can't get past the name iPod. Baa! Your loss.

dulpit

Lets not forget that that vast majority of people don't give a **** about the sound quality of their mp3 players, tbh is there any difference for regular joe soap? Answer would be no. Seems to me that these so called audiophiles think its fashionable to bash the iPod.

Now i don't own an iPod, but some of the buddies do. I think the newest ones are great little players. Now fair enough they might not have the same sound quality as any other player, if you listen to it through €200 headphones... For 99% of the population they are perfect, easy to use on PC, and simple to use on the go.

So OP, that's why people buy the iPod, ok?



Edit: Oh, and as someone said about snobbery about the iPod, i think it goes both ways, people who own them think they're the only thing to buy, and these audiophiles thinks its cool to bash the thing...

Zapho

I'll admit that creative headphones are rubbish, but then again, so are the
iPods, and to be fair, basically any audio device you buy will come with
cheap ass earphones whether its your standard mp3 player or your phone.
It does amaze me that people are willing to spend €350+ on a player yet
won't spend over €20 on a good pair of earphones.

As for the "why people still buy iPods" argument, honestly I really don't care
what people wanna use, it doesn't bother me. I've a vision M myself, mainly
because I've bought zens the whole way along because they were cheaper
yet did the same job as the iPod with the added bonus that I didn't need
iTunes. But to be fair OP, if you're giving out to people for buying iPods and
being "sheep" or being following trends, are you not still following a trend
by buying Creative products, one of the largest audio companies in the world?!

Mully

Like Hoover, to alot of people, iPod is a generic term for 'mp3 player' ... I've heard someone say "I've got a Creative Zen iPod".

dub_skav

I have an IPOD at the moment as it suits my needs.
I bought a 3rd generation 4 years ago when the only realistic competition was the Creative brick.
The IPOD was far smaller and came with a larger capacity, so there was no choice for me really.

I now have a 5.5 Generation 80Gb.
Again it's one of the smallest HD DAPs out there, it's the only 1 that comes in 80GB (apart from Archos, but that's another argument).

I use Sennheiser Headphones / sport earphones, depending on where I am. Seeing as I listen to it either through headphones on the move or through the lineout on the dock connector through my stereo I find this acceptable. For info I use EAC on the -V2 setting for ripping.

I would consider myself tech savvy but am not snobbish enough to consider myself an audiophile.

Also, I keep my IPOD in my bag/pocket so image is not an issue.

When you add in the easiest user interface, more help available online for troubleshooting/advice and then accessories I don't understand why so many people have a problem with IPODs.
As has been said above it's now fashionable to knock the IPOD, I've heard people who haven't a clue about VBR, CBR, lame, AAC, WMA knocking the IPOD because it makes them sound tech savvy.

At the end of the day as others have said, it doesn't bother me what players people have, but for the non teccies it's generally better to get something simple like an ipod as at least they won't have to bother me to set it up and/or fix it.

Bard

Wow. "i-crap". That'll catch on :rolleyes:

People buy iPod's because they look good, are easy to use, look good, have high capacity (I don't know of any other PMP that size that'll hold 80GB, do you?), look good, play games, look good, play videos, er, and because they look good.

There's also the factor that they're used to iPods and the name "iPod" is pretty much synonymous with MP3 players, but that doesn't mean that they're any lower quality than other brands. And they look good. Sure, they've got less features for the price than, say, an iAudio or a Creative (no radio, no recorder, no line-in, less audio and video codecs supported, no drag'n'drop, lower battery life [?]) and the more discerning MP3 player buyer will shop around and look at better featured brands before making their mind up. Sure, it's become kinda cool to be a Linux/Open Source/Anti-Establishment/anti popular culture/etc. nerd who listens to Phantom FM and refuses to support the "faceless corporations" these days and go against the grain simply for the sake of going against the grain. Sure... but people still buy iPods, and will continue to do so - for two reasons - 1> They don't know any better... and 2> that's the brand they want/like/adore/etc. so leave them alone.

Oh, and did I mention that they look good? ... 'cos lets face it, it IS a fashion statement/status symbol, whether you like it or not!

I'll sticky this thread, as I expect it to remain as the ONLY thread on the subject - and an eternal answer to the perennial pointless question.

art

What is it that makes people that do not buy iPods claim to know what it is that makes people that do, do?

I think those that don't buy iPods only really know why they don't buy iPods. Which could be because they look good, for all I know (admittedly, having bought an iPod I haven't a notion why someone would not buy one)?

Macspower

art wrote:

What is it that makes people that do not buy iPods claim to know what it is that makes people that do, do?

I was genuinely interested in the reasons for people buying them.. Hence the question.... why do people buy i-pods... now I see that they have many reasons for buying them.....

You see all I'm interested in is sound quality/capacity/picture quality/build quality/price.....
IMHO an i-pod doesn't meet these requirements for me...

art

Macspower wrote:

I was genuinely interested in the reasons for people buying them.. Hence the question.... why do people buy i-pods... now I see that they have many reasons for buying them.....

You see all I'm interested in is sound quality/capacity/picture quality/build quality/price.....
IMHO an i-pod doesn't meet these requirements for me...

That's odd. What exactly are your requirements then given it has the largest capacity of a player (the 80g model)? And that the sound quality in the 5G iPods is generally excellent for a portable player, irrespective of the matter of the headphones (which I see you had to replace on your Creative player). The build quality is hard to fault, bar the mistakes made with screens on the original Nano, everything is very solidly put together on the iPod (particularly relative to Creative products which are renowned for breaking sound jacks)... And why is picture quality now apparently important if, as you said earlier in the thread, you use it for music? I'd certainly not recommend the iPod to anyone who wanted a video player foremost. I'd also certainly admit there are cheaper players available though not all with the same benefits like build quality, decent battery life, ease of navigation, ease of set up and sync, use of iTunes Store, easy availability, etc etc. As a straightforward MP3 player, the iPod is very hard to beat.

Macspower

art wrote:

That's odd. What exactly are your requirements then given it has the largest capacity of a player (the 80g model)? And that the sound quality in the 5G iPods is generally excellent for a portable player, irrespective of the matter of the headphones (which I see you had to replace on your Creative player). The build quality is hard to fault, bar the mistakes made with screens on the original Nano, everything is very solidly put together on the iPod (particularly relative to Creative products which are renowned for breaking sound jacks)... And why is picture quality now apparently important if, as you said earlier in the thread, you use it for music? I'd certainly not recommend the iPod to anyone who wanted a video player foremost. I'd also certainly admit there are cheaper players available though not all with the same benefits like build quality, decent battery life, ease of navigation, ease of set up and sync, use of iTunes Store, easy availability, etc etc. As a straightforward MP3 player, the iPod is very hard to beat.

It's what I mean about ignorance (by that I mean know no better).

I'm 17years in the music business now and I know my sounds.......... and I can tell you that the i-pod is definately not as good as other players for sound quality. Your point on replacing headphones is??????? the original creative ones are still in the original packaging so I can't really comment on their performance but I know they are not as good as the Senns or Shures...lol

you quite obviously have no idea what you are on about and just want to make smart remarks at every oportunity. I was happy when I found this forum on boards but unfortunately like a lot of other boards it has it's nits!

ok you have me convinced I'll go and buy an i-pod 80gig and use the original headphones.................

thought I could lend some of my expertise to this forum but obviously not!

Owen

I've had the 1st gen, 2nd gen, 3rd, and now the 5th. There is a world of difference between the 5th gen, and the previous models. I do get 12 hours of battery life now, and having 80gigs is fantastic. This one has yet to go sour, or be sent to Apple, whereas the previous generations were plagued with faults.

I bought an iPod because of the connectivity, the peripherals are well designed, and don't look like an afterthought, and it directly links into my MINI. It's design and functionality are simple, yet at the time were revolutionary. I'm a semi-pro musician, and a classicially trained violinist. On top of all of this, I'm an audiophile, and picky about my sound. The 5th gen iPod isn't shabby in this department either!

Macspower

ned78 wrote:

I've had the 1st gen, 2nd gen, 3rd, and now the 5th. There is a world of difference between the 5th gen, and the previous models. I do get 12 hours of battery life now, and having 80gigs is fantastic. This one has yet to go sour, or be sent to Apple, whereas the previous generations were plagued with faults.

I bought an iPod because of the connectivity, the peripherals are well designed, and don't look like an afterthought, and it directly links into my MINI. It's design and functionality are simple, yet at the time were revolutionary. I'm a semi-pro musician, and a classicially trained violinist. On top of all of this, I'm an audiophile, and picky about my sound. The 5th gen iPod isn't shabby in this department either!

now there is a propper reply..... at last someone who knows why they bought one... question answered!

yeah 80gig would be nice...... to be honest I havn't tried a 5th gen one for more than a few mins but my preconceptions are based on earlier models....

art

Macspower wrote:

It's what I mean about ignorance (by that I mean know no better).

I'm 17years in the music business now and I know my sounds.......... and I can tell you that the i-pod is definately not as good as other players for sound quality

Macspower wrote:

... to be honest I havn't tried a 5th gen one for more than a few mins but my preconceptions are based on earlier models....

So you can definitely say that the 5th gen iPods, which we've been talking about all along, don't have good sound quality. Without ever really listening to the sound quality?

I've no idea what you are getting the hump about - I asked what your requirements were because everything you listed is satisfied by current iPods. And mentioned the headphones because you were comparing a Creative using Sennheiser headphones against an iPod with standard ones, which of course would not be, or should not be, in the same league as the Sennheiser ones. I didn't know at the time though you weren't even comparing the Creative mp3 player with the current iPod at all :rolleyes:

Everything else are straightforward points, what's your problem? You seem very insecure, and fairly ignorant really, that you have to respond with lame insults instead of answers.

Macspower

art wrote:

You seem very insecure, and fairly ignorant really, that you have to respond with lame insults instead of answers.

[*EDIT*: Text removed by moderator]

Anyway I'll go back to the audiophile forums and you i-podders here to sor out the "mines bigger then yours" argument..

Due to arrogant responses from the above person I won't be posting here any more..... nice way to welcome a newcommer....enjoy..

Bard

art: posts containing personal abuse will NOT be tolerated.

Macspower: relax, it's only the Internet. Nothing seriously insulting was said. In fact the most insulting thing I've seen said was you calling art "little man". Get over it. Both of you.

art

Bard wrote:

art: posts containing personal abuse will be tolerated.
.

Bard, either you've missed a word there or you are inciting abuse on the internet!?!

I've no idea what got Macspower's (odd name for an anti-Apple guy) goat but, no worries, it was never my intention for the thread to degrade like that.

Bard

art wrote:

Bard, either you've missed a word there or you are inciting abuse on the internet!?!

Smart... I've edited my post. I'm sure you knew what I meant.

I've no idea what got Macspower's (odd name for an anti-Apple guy) goat but, no worries, it was never my intention for the thread to degrade like that.

Appreciated. ... oh and I presumed his name was an intentional mis-spelling of "Max Power"...

merritt

Ooops, is it all over?

And I was going to ask propose that an mp3 encoded with LAME at, say, 320kbps would seriously sound any different on an iPod or Zen. I find it hard to imagine so.

art

Bard wrote:

Smart... I've edited my post. I'm sure you knew what I meant.
.

Yes, I did actually - though did feel it was fairly unwarranted given I was the one pursuing the discussion for the most part, not the abuse, but in the end thought I'd make light of it. Evidently, making light of something is not tolerated much either here?

Bard

One persons 'making light' is another persons 'abuse'. Deal with it, and stay on topic in the thread. K, thx, bye

estariol

Well there are a lot of arguemnts on both sides, I have 16 HD based mp3/mp4 players including 80gb 5.5 Ipod. Phonically the Ipod doesn't score very well, although mostly because of gain/equaliser problems that even mp3gain can't really fix. The Ipod has its place in the top 5 but for me its a jack of all master of none, and accordingly suits some people.
But for heaven sake throw away the crappy buds that come with any player and get a decent set of shure/sony/sennheiser silicone buds....

melekalikimaka

its all opinions, asking why someone buys a ipod over a iriver, its like asking why someone buys one pair of shoes over another, they both do the job, maybe one is better comfortwise, but lacks style, or whatever, asking 'why' seems a little silly IMO

oh and i'm on a shuffle 2nd gen at the mo after 6 years of creative, the old dap jukebox still comes out when needed, but tbh the shuffle is perfect, enough for a day of music, i get a album or so a day off the net and it sync everynight when downloaded so its always uptodate for me and so small it fits in my wallet, and can double as a money clip

art

melekalikimaka wrote:

its all opinions, asking why someone buys a ipod over a iriver, its like asking why someone buys one pair of shoes over another, they both do the job, maybe one is better comfortwise, but lacks style, or whatever, asking 'why' seems a little silly IMO

oh and i'm on a shuffle 2nd gen at the mo after 6 years of creative, the old dap jukebox still comes out when needed, but tbh the shuffle is perfect, enough for a day of music, i get a album or so a day off the net and it sync everynight when downloaded so its always uptodate for me and so small it fits in my wallet, and can double as a money clip

Agree. This stuff about "audio" quality is quite relative too, dependant a lot on what music you are listening to at the time and what you expect from your music. But, anyway, see these...?

http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2007/05/24/monster_ships_ifreeplay_phones/

Creamy Goodness

another good reason to buy one is this, www.rockbox.org

just released firmware for the 80gig ipod, this was great timing as i bought an 80gig ipod over in boston two days ago

got it working and it's great, all the features of rockbox on a smallish ipod (i'm coming from a iriver h140)

cormie

Cremo wrote:

another good reason to buy one is this, www.rockbox.org

just released firmware for the 80gig ipod, this was great timing as i bought an 80gig ipod over in boston two days ago

got it working and it's great, all the features of rockbox on a smallish ipod (i'm coming from a iriver h140)

Oooh it's out on the 80GB??
Nice!!

Once I get a few bob I think I'll upgrade, but I did read somewhere that there is a 100gb one in the pipe line.

Creamy Goodness

aye i heard that too, but i reckon the 100gig won't come out until september at the eariliest, plus they working on iphone as well and leopard.

i couldn't say no to a 80gb ipod for $300 really.(brother had voucher)

ozt9vdujny3srf

oes anyone else see the humour in someone called "macspower" having a rant about an apple product?

cormie

sweet deal Cremo, iphone would be handy except the max is 16gb I think, there is another company with an iphone competitor will probably be cheaper and I think it has a few improved features over the iphone too!

Soby

Odd proplem with my Nano short enough battery life(maybe i shouldnt have it at full volume) and doesnt turn off the odd time put it didnt cost me a cent so no complaints here..Your talking bout the Aldi ones!!.Batterys dont do it for me..i had a Creative one and battery lasted 2-3 hours max...crazy stuff

rabbitinlights

What I find funny is people are talking about being an Audiophile and getting worked up about sound quality when you are using a compressed format, get over it, Ipods and other MP3 players are about convinience, not Audiophile standard sound quality.

I have a pair of Shure headphones that I got free from work, I actually find they show-up MP3 files (320kbps or even FLAC) I prefer earphones like the CX300's they are suited to MP3 players as they improve bass and dont let the high end get too high.

S.

green123

other mp3 players are much better value and have radio built in.
i cant understand why ipods have no radio

rabbitinlights

So you buy the remote to activate it....... money grabbing bastárds!!

Macspower

Ariadne Raspy Beige wrote:

oes anyone else see the humour in someone called "macspower" having a rant about an apple product?

I'm actually a huge Mac fan ... have a G5 now for many years and working in the music business for many years the Mac is standard equip in the business......

I have a PC as well but like comparing an i-pod to a...... ok don't get me started again

Mac

JC 2K3

I used to think iPods were ****. Why?

-iTunes is a horrible, restricting piece of software in my opinion. And it's no more "easy and accessable" than any other necessary software that comes with other players.
-You can't just drag and drop music to it. This is true of a lot of players(bar my 1337 iAudio X5) and I hate it and don't understand why. Presumably it makes it harder to pirate music or something.
-Restricted amount of audio codecs it plays.
-It's generally overpriced.
-iTunes music store is bollocks.

However, in recent times, I've decided the iPod is not as crap as I once thought, why? On reason:
You can put Rockbox on iPods

I put Rockbox on my iAudio and it was fantastic. If you can put Rockbox on iPods then it nullifies all of the problems one might have with it. A Rockboxed iPod must be class.

Creatives don't support Rockbox, therefore they suck.

Creamy Goodness

only problem - if you see it that way - with an rockboxed ipod is that it's got no radio, but since radio in ireland is ****e with the exception of a few phantom shows it's nullafied that argument.

JC 2K3

?

My Rockboxed iAudio has radio...

Mutant_Fruit

Number 1 reason why people buy iPods is that they work on Mac's.

Have you ever tried using a Creative Vision M on a Mac? I have. It's painful. I'd happily switch for an iPod except that i have a windows desktop at home which i use to transfer music on and off.

Creamy Goodness

JC 2K3 wrote:

?

My Rockboxed iAudio has radio...

sorry maybe my post above was a tad confusing. what i meant was whether or not your have a normal ipod or a rockboxed ipod you still have no radio as it would need to have a fm transmitter built in.

JC 2K3

Mutant_Fruit wrote:

Number 1 reason why people buy iPods is that they work on Mac's.

Have you ever tried using a Creative Vision M on a Mac? I have. It's painful. I'd happily switch for an iPod except that i have a windows desktop at home which i use to transfer music on and off.

Why an iPod and not a UMS(ie. drag and drop) player like an iAudio?

On a side note, are iAudios the only UMS players left on the market?(I know you can downgrade the firmware on iRivers from MTP to UMS)

thebman

Argo's support it. Works in Linux which is nice. Had an iPod, what a pain in the hole! iTunes is really terrible software and the iPod has a good interface but it gets scratched to easy and the battery life is terrible.