How S**t were Dervish tonight?

10000maniacs

If the lead singer of Dervish had applied for the X Factor, Cowell would have givn her the boot on the first day, and rightly so. She can't sing.
Bring back Johnny Logan.:D

jb91

Utter shíte

But it would be worse if we had to host it. The only bad part was yer wan's singing

cmoney

10000maniacs wrote:

If the lead singer of Dervish had applied for the X Factor, Cowell would have givn her the boot on the first day, and rightly so. She can't sing.
Bring back Johnny Logan.:D

your obviously watcing a different eurovison to me. I taught they were very good!!!

theres always people like you putting this country down :mad:: f*cking ejits as i like to call them

10000maniacs

cmoney wrote:

your obviously watcing a different eurovison to i taught it was good!!!

theres always people like you putting tis country down :mad:

See how many points we get so.
I would think sept pois from the UK and thats about it.

mewso

I'll admit it. Watching the blinking eurovision. Ah well hungover and needed a laugh. Thank god for Terry Wogan.
I thought Dervish did fine and much prefer that type of song to the bland dross we have sent over for the last few years.
As to how many points we get. Whatever we get I doubt it will have much to do with the song what with all this block voting.

jb91

If any non-Irish people here want to trade sympathy votes you can PM me

10000maniacs

10000maniacs wrote:

See how many points we get so.
I would think sept pois from the UK and thats about it.

Ireland 5 points. Shouldn't have turned up. I was only off by 2 points.

cmoney wrote:

your obviously watcing a different eurovison to me. I taught they were very good!!! theres always people like you putting this country down : f*cking ejits as i like to call them.

Sorry cmoney, i think a squealing pig would have done better for Ireland.:D

Marshy

10000maniacs wrote:

If the lead singer of Dervish had applied for the X Factor, Cowell would have givn her the boot on the first day, and rightly so. She can't sing.

Well she sings in the sean-nós style which isnt everyone's cup of tea but Its not fair to say she cant sing.

Saruman

Never even heard of them before this Eurovision... i was watching it on the BBC as i like Terry wogan better than marty.
Missed Ireland....
Anyway all the texts about Ireland from the brits were about how it was the worst song ever and we obviously do not want to win
Only 2 i think said they liked it.

10000maniacs

Marshy wrote:

Well she sings in the sean-nós style.

If sean-nós means a brown anal excretion, you could have a point.:rolleyes:

Chaz

I dont care what the style or intended style was .... she was off key most of the song and therefore not surprised by the low score.

Marshy

10000maniacs wrote:

If sean-nós means a brown anal excretion, you could have a point.:rolleyes:

Lol yeah have to say the nasal sound doesnt do much for me either. Maybe not to that extent though.

robo

Saw the news afterwards where the reporter from Helsinki said that the mood in the Irish camp was low and that perhaps they will look at changing the format...

Also Starring LeVar Burton

Marshy wrote:

Well she sings in the sean-nós style which isnt everyone's cup of tea but Its not fair to say she cant sing.

That's not Sean Nós mate, that's just off key. Sean-nós is completely different and much better. I know many sean-nós singers and none of them sound like that dying cat did.

BuffyBot

Song was always unbelievable tripe and bady sung and staged. Predicted that it would come down the bottom of the table so was pleasantly unsurprised.

If this is the best we could do, I shudder to think what next year will bring.

Asok

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H3q4y6-pp1M

Fookin Trad.

Rollo Tamasi

That link just confirmed everything I think about Tommy Tiernan. He is utter ****e.

Thrill

Rollo Tamasi wrote:

That link just confirmed everything I think about Tommy Tiernan. He is utter ****e.

Totally agree. A complete bollix.

mewso

Chaz wrote:

I dont care what the style or intended style was .... she was off key most of the song and therefore not surprised by the low score.

lol great to see people think the song and performance actually has a bearing on the score.

Marshy

CaptainNegative wrote:

That's not Sean Nós mate, that's just off key. Sean-nós is completely different and much better.

Well that isnt really true I'm afraid. Her singing is a fusion of sean nós and a more modern style. It might not be pleasant to listen to but thats the reality.

jhegarty

musician wrote:

lol great to see people think the song and performance actually has a bearing on the score.

We only got the last year then ?

mcaul

A few changes and we may have had a decent score.

1. The musicians should have been sitting on stools - prancing about with their false smiles was appalling - they were like leprechauns without the suits.

2. At the chorus the musicians should have stopped the instruments and sung the chorus in harmony otgether and with gusto.

3. The bodhran should got a proper 15 second solo within the performance.


Bring back the national song contest with 12 songwriters who will pick the best singers for their song! - Or bring on macnas!

eth0_

It's not because she was singing sean nos. She was OUT OF TUNE for pretty much the entire song. The song was very very watered down sean nos style. For what it's worth, the official video of the song, and the **** she came out with last night, show just how bad she was:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kX78_p0lcyc&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fblogorrah%2Ecom%2F

I'm not a massive Eurovision fan, but it was embarrassing to watch.

Jesus Wept

10000maniacs wrote:

If the lead singer of Dervish had applied for the X Factor, Cowell would have givn her the boot on the first day, and rightly so. She can't sing.
Bring back Johnny Logan.

cmoney wrote:

your obviously watcing a different eurovison to me. I taught they were very good!!!

theres always people like you putting this country down :mad:: f*cking ejits as i like to call them

He put down the singer of a band, not the country.

Is she 'the country'?. No.

r3nu4l

I'm a fan of sean-nós and modern singing styles and I can safely say that from the first time I heard that 'fusion' of styles I thought it was terrible.

I am one of those saddos that actually loves when Ireland win anything, even the Eurovision and I was horribly disappointed when I realised that that song had been chosen to represent us.

I think the thing is that a good singer or group is one who when experimenting with musical and singing styles are able to recognise when a new style does not work. That singing style may work with another style of music but it certainly did not work with the music they were playing. A decent group would have known that and altered either the music or imo the singing style. A poor performance all round regardless of how many points we got tbh.

damnyanks

Any chance of the actual time when she sang it at euro vision? My friends were saying she sounded or looked drunk / stoned.

mcaul

Tomorrow we'll hear the same sh1te on Joe Duffy etc about he eatern europeans voting for themselves - but the reality is they had 17 of the 24 entrants and they had both the best songs & perfromances. - Did Ireland rate Germany, France Spain etc? - No.

Yes we gave a load of points to the UK, but that came from Brits living over here and over here for the weekend, as for Latvi, most of Latvia lives here these days! - same as we used to get points from all over Europe cos half the population lived eslewhere and voted for home!

Bring back mass emigration, huge unemployment & crap pay, just so that we can "bask" in eurovision glory once again!!!!!!

is_that_so

I'll listen to sean nós in small doses but tbh to my ear she was not just off key but way off last night.
I don't think the song, weak as it is, is as bad as it was delivered last night. I agree it needed more gusto and less choreography. But the best we were ever going to be looking at was trying to get into the top 10.
Now John Waters can have nothing to complain about.

is_that_so

mcaul wrote:

Tomorrow we'll hear the same sh1te on Joe Duffy etc about he eatern europeans voting for themselves - but the reality is they had 17 of the 24 entrants and they had both the best songs & perfromances. - Did Ireland rate Germany, France Spain etc? - No.

Yes we gave a load of points to the UK, but that came from Brits living over here and over here for the weekend, as for Latvi, most of Latvia lives here these days! - same as we used to get points from all over Europe cos half the population lived eslewhere and voted for home!

Bring back mass emigration, huge unemployment & crap pay, just so that we can "bask" in eurovision glory once again!!!!!!

There is something to the "bloc voting" considering how many countries can vote, but you could also see some of the "neighbours" not doing so well.
The winning song was a typical Eurovision power ballad and would have been up there anyway. The bloc voting in as far as I can see will help countries get into the top 10 but they then need a bit of "something"" to convince other countries.

Jesus Wept

mcaul wrote:

same as we used to get points from all over Europe cos half the population lived eslewhere and voted for home!

Bring back mass emigration, huge unemployment & crap pay, just so that we can "bask" in eurovision glory once again!!!!!!

ah, I wouldn't agree with that. Sure there is a lump of us in the UK (still a drop in the ocean compared to their general populous), but there aren't large numbers of Irish spread across Europe.

The difference is, we used to submit decent songs, and countries used to vote for decent songs, they also used to be decided by Jury panels.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rfFf4EVvoaI

ah, gone are the days.

magnumlady

Ireland usually does sort of OK in the Eurovision, but they will blame the political voting and not realise that the song was awful and she was out of tune, sounded very nervous at the beginning.
Enter U2 and be done with it!

Jesus Wept

magnumlady wrote:

Ireland usually does sort of OK in the Eurovision, but they will blame the political voting and not realise that the song was awful and she was out of tune, sounded very nervous at the beginning.
Enter U2 and be done with it!

I'm not blaming politcal voting, we can't blame that till we put in the best song, we haven't put in even a decent song in years.

Mossy Monk

I blame Pat Kenny.

jor el

cmoney wrote:

your obviously watcing a different eurovison to me. I taught they were very good!!

Are you tone deaf? I thought the band and song were terrible the first time I heard it, and last night was even worse. And apart from a few fools in Albania, the whole of Europe agrees.

Get Planxty back together and send them.

daveirl

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Einstein

and why the hell was she standing waving her hands from side to side, she just looked retarded...
everyone else has hot choreograpehd moves, and she waves her hands like my granny used to dance at weddings...

JohnMc1

While we can debate about whether or not Dervish was good or not [I thought they were decent and should of placed higher compared to some of the other crap] to say the Block Voting didn't have an effect is foolish. Its blatantly on display this year and last year.

I wonder what the bleeding hearts here that were fighting to get the EE women into the Rose of Tralee thought of last night.

daveirl

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JohnMc1

I would call Ukraine the cream of the crop from last night. Ukraine finishing second proved 1) The Block voting issue and 2) People in the rest of Europe have very bad taste.

Utopia Parkway

To be honest it's Eurovision so anyone looking for good music should probably look elsewhere. The vast majority of the songs are nothing more than badly polished turds.

Having a gimmick seems to be as important these days hence last night I spied various enrants looking like...

A. Mad Max rejects - Bulgaria
B. A troupe of gay pirates - Romania
C. Diet Ricky Martin - Can't remember where he was from?
D. Camp Daleks - Ukraine
E. Psychotic air stewards - UK

That being said the Irish song was just crap. I don't particularly blame Dervish. It was just a totally unremarkable song.

JohnMc1

Utopia Parkway wrote:

To be honest it's Eurovision so anyone looking for good music should probably look elsewhere. The vast majority of the songs are nothing more than badly polished turds.

Having a gimmick seems to be as important these days hence last night I spied various enrants looking like...

A. Mad Max rejects - Bulgaria
B. A troupe of gay pirates - Romania
C. Diet Ricky Martin - Can't remember where he was from?
D. Camp Daleks - Ukraine
E. Psychotic air stewards - UK

That being said the Irish song was just crap. I don't particularly blame Dervish. It was just a totally unremarkable song.

Good call on the gimmicks. I believe the Menudo [Ricky Martin's band when he was a kid] wannabes were Spain. Don't forget the gay troupe from France [and they wonder why people think they're closet gays.] The ode to lesbianism from Serbia. The sexually depraved flight attendants describes Scooch/uK better.

Rb

Completely missed the Eurovision last night, am glad I did now.

Wheels

RTÉ's head of entertainment was on the news tonight trying to explain away the failure. Was hilarious. I feel a sacking is in order?

DarkJager

I said it the second I heard that song, that it was doomed. We don't seem to have grasped the fact that a crappy ****ing ballad is not going anywhere in the eurovision nowadays. Its all about the stage performance and off the wall songs now, not some **** that you'd cringe to watch in some rural pub on a saturday night.

StarryBud

I missed it on the night but just watched it now on youtube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WGUi1uWtGHE

What an utterly hopeless disaster. The lead's singing is off-key and wavers all over the place. Her arms-in-the-air dancing is absolutely hilarious. What the hell is she wearing? And the prancing around the stage was the final nail in the coffin of this embarrasment. No wonder the UK didn't vote for us.

Mossy Monk

Wheels wrote:

I feel a sacking is in order?

Why? Because Ireland failed in a competition no one gives a flying **** about?

Jonesy3110

When is everyone gonna cop on and just enter my lovely horse?

loyatemu

there is block voting - it gives the balkans, scandanavians and former soviet countries an advantage and makes it very difficult for western european countries to now win.

But that doesn't explain Ireland coming last - we came 10th last year with a bland song sung by an good, experienced singer. Our song and performance this year were abysmal.

As the eurovision is dominated by dull ****e, it makes sense to try and do something to make your song stand out - the Ukrainian entry was insanely camp but at least it was memorable. I was surprised the UK didn't do better, their song was dreadful, but it is one of the few entries I can still remember the tune to. I guess British camp doesn't translate too well.

TBH I think the Italians had the right idea when they withdrew from the competition in the 90s citing "lack of musical sophistication and politicized voting." We'll never win it again, and it's sh!te, so why bother.

jor el

StarryBud wrote:

What an utterly hopeless disaster. The lead's singing is off-key and wavers all over the place.

This is the bit I don't get. They mimed the song on the night, how can you mime out of key? It's a recording. It just goes to show that the song itself is crap.

loyatemu wrote:

there is block voting - it gives the balkans, scandanavians and former soviet countries an advantage and makes it very difficult for western european countries to now win.

And yet Ireland gave 12 points to Lithuania, 10 to Latvia, 8 to Ukraine and the only western country getting any points from us was the UK who got 7. That just goes to show that the Irish public haven't a clue about music as the UK entrant was almost as bad as Ireland's.

I'm sure there is a certain proportion of people in any country voting for their neighbours, but I don't think it's nearly as bad as people are making out and I don't believe it effects the final outcome.

And at the end of the day, it's just a song contest (mostly crap songs too and is responsible for inflicting Celine Dion on the world), it's not like it actually matters.

Utopia Parkway

This is the bit I don't get. They mimed the song on the night, how can you mime out of key? It's a recording. It just goes to show that the song itself is crap.

She sang live to a backing track. The band were miming but she was actually singing.

Sort of.:D

Rosita

Marshy wrote:

Well she sings in the sean-nós style which isnt everyone's cup of tea but Its not fair to say she cant sing.

Yes. I think this is at the root of a lot of the criticism. The cultural cringers find the "Irishness" and lack of homogeny of it all hard to take.

I thought Dervish gave a terrific performance. Not a performance to appeal to the popular vote but one which would be well regarded by people who understand music.

So what if the lead singer would not impress Simon Cowell? X-factor and its like is looking for an out and out pop singer which will appeal to the millions of texters and voters. Judging Kathy Jordan in this way is like criticising the All-Blacks because they wouldn't beat Kerry at Gaelic Football.

Unlike many of the x-factor and you're at star types, she earns a good living a singer in a genre that is not "manufactured" and concerned with getting your kit off and appealing to the lowest common denominator. That's ample evidence that she is a good singer.