Stories apparently on the way in Tomorrows Papers, Is Bertie touching up his CV?

E92

http://www.politics.ie/viewtopic.php?p=615765&sid=2501b308b2af57ef703d5483b640dc8c#615765

If this turns out to be true, well only God know what will happen next.

politics.ie wrote:

heard an interesting story from a guy I know in the pub this evening. he works in the Government press office. He had a few drinks on board and was speaking out the side of his mouth. FF are in big trouble. jody Corcoran has info that will put bertie in the s**t big time. McDowell has this info and that is why they will have no option but to walk. This means even if FF lose ten seats bertie will no longer be a credible taoiseach and the story will break on the 25th may. No party will enter Government with Bertie at the helm so he has no options. Cowen is seriously considering asking Bertie to resign now to try and salvage the election. This is really going to heat up over the next 2 days. Bertie has even cancelled a planned visit to kildare South tomorrow. I think this is the end.

ballooba

Sounds like cráp. Why would Cowen tell anyone about this? Why would the hack then tell someone in a pub?

Take everything you read on that forum with a pinch of salt.

Dirk Gently

I stand to collect 1300 euro if cowan is next taoiseach.

I had a feeling in my gut going back to last week that no one would go near FF with Ahern as taoiseach and FF would have no choice but to let cowan take over. Still wont be voting FF but a lack of faith in my fellow citizens promted me to take on the 25-1 long shot.

ballooba

Cowen is just over 5/1 on Betfair now. Bertie is roughly 5/2. Enda is roughly evens.

gandalf

Yep back during Bertiegate MK 1 they had Ahern resigning within hours and look what happened then.

Has anyone seen the Sindo yet, they normally have the first editions out at this stage. Would be interesting to see if they have published what they have given Herr Flick to read.

damien

This is almost a word for word re-enactment of what appeared on Politics.ie the first time the story about Bertie's dealings with Paddy the Plasterer et al came about.

E92

Well I put the word 'may' in the title for the exact reason you gave balloba, that it may well be utter crap. Actually having read it again it does sound like complete crap to me too. When I read it at first I was like am I reading this correctly, but having read it again I realised my eyes were not lying. I dont see it happening either, btw. But we will have to wait and see. I never thought that the PDs would almost certainly not be part of this government by tomorrow, so its hard to know. The rumour mill is going into overdrive at the moment.

Dirk Gently

ballooba wrote:

Cowen is just over 5/1.

Yup, 2 hours after I placed the bet his odds went from 25-1 to 12-1 on boyle sports. Paddy power cut him from 16-1 to 8-1 in the space of a few hours too. I can see most parties making it a condition on forming a government with FF that bertie has to go first. Thought I might as well make my own silver lining should we get 5 more years of FF.

Villain

Paddy Power have suspended betting on the next Taoiseach

Villain

gandalf wrote:

Yep back during Bertiegate MK 1 they had Ahern resigning within hours and look what happened then.

Has anyone seen the Sindo yet, they normally have the first editions out at this stage. Would be interesting to see if they have published what they have given Herr Flick to read.

I believe the Indo says that information that is significant has come to light but they can't publish it, the Mail on Sunday apparently have the story but no-one knows what they have printed yet, Frank Connolly has been building up to something imo.

ballooba

The Mail is the one to watch tomorrow. The Sindo has nothing interesting.

Mail accuse Bertie of lying last thursday on the Celia story. They have seen transcripts from Mahon.

Villain

From Politics.ie:

The Mail on Sunday will tomorrow morning accuse Bertie Ahern of lying to the country last Thursday when he said the 30k was intended for Ceila Larkin.

The paper will exclusively reveal detail of transcripts they have from the Mahon tribunal which reveal that the money was intended for him, and not his then partner as he told the press on Thursday

This would appear to be the information McDowell has, how the transcripts have ended up with the Mail god only knows.

brianthebard

ito quality where does the mail rank? Cause I'll probably pick this up tomorrow if its not complete ****.

ballooba

This is not the info that the Sindo has. What Jody Corcoran has are I suspect bank statements. Whatever Jody has it details a sequence of events which conflicts with Bertie's statements.

Can we merge the threads on this topic? We don't need a proliferation of Bertie threads like P.ie

Bateman

I hate this stupid snobbery. Decide AFTER you buy the paper, and have read the piece, what its quality is.

Villain

Yea Gandalf please merge and pick a nice title for us Something like "Bertie is the most cunning, devious of them all"

brianthebard

Bateman wrote:

I hate this stupid snobbery. Decide AFTER you buy the paper, and have read the piece, what its quality is.

Well if its just a smartened up Sun or Mirror then I don't want to read it, does that make me a bad person? Cause I don't care.

ballooba

brianthebard wrote:

ito quality where does the mail rank? Cause I'll probably pick this up tomorrow if its not complete ****.

It's a rag. The story would appear to carry weight though.

jhegarty

irish1 wrote:

From Politics.ie:



This would appear to be the information McDowell has, how the transcripts have ended up with the Mail god only knows.

Enda will be enjoying his morning papers

InFront

brianthebard wrote:

Well if its just a smartened up Sun or Mirror then I don't want to read it, does that make me a bad person? Cause I don't care.

Hmmm I'm not so sure about the 'smartened up' part, really!

Villain

Nice title Gandalf

gandalf

Threads Merged.

Bateman

brianthebard wrote:

Well if its just a smartened up Sun or Mirror then I don't want to read it, does that make me a bad person? Cause I don't care.

If someone has something people are talking about, why not go out and buy it? Why ask other people for their approval? I read the IT and Indo for nothing online, buy the Guardian or the London Independent whenever I feel like it, and always take a look at the Mail in work if someone else has it. If there was something I wanted to read I wouldn't think twice about buying any paper. :rolleyes:

ballooba

Nice work.

Dave!

Bateman wrote:

If someone has something people are talking about, why not go out and buy it? Why ask other people for their approval? I read the IT and Indo for nothing online, buy the Guardian or the London Independent whenever I feel like it, and always take a look at the Mail in work if someone else has it. If there was something I wanted to read I wouldn't think twice about buying any paper. :rolleyes:

If the paper is reknowned for publishing speculation and hear-say, and has no journalistic credibility, then it's not unreasonable to want to know this before you decide if you want to give money to it.

ballooba

Bateman wrote:

If there was something I wanted to read I wouldn't think twice about buying any paper. :rolleyes:

I don't buy the Indo because I don't want to give them my money. This is all off-topic btw. Does it really matter to you if he buys the MoS or not. Do you work there or something?

Bateman

OK it's o/t, and no I don't work for the MoS, but I don't like the consensus-seeking tone of the post.

gandalf

Christ lads do what I do, read the story in the shops and then buy your normal Sunday's !!!!

Voipjunkie

gandalf wrote:

Christ lads do what I do, read the story in the shops and then buy your normal Sunday's !!!!

So your the guy blocking the news stand every sunday morning

ballooba

gandalf wrote:

Christ lads do what I do, read the story in the shops and then buy your normal Sunday's !!!!

I like it. I flicked throught the herald in a shop this afternoon.

Villain

PaddyPower now has FF/PD at 10/1 for the next Government!!
http://www.paddypower.com/bet?action=go_type&category=SPECIALS&disp_cat_id=&ev_class_id=33&ev_type_id=694&AFF_ID=92728

gandalf

Voipjunkie wrote:

So your the guy blocking the news stand every sunday morning

Ah you're that muppet that blocks my light and rubs himself against me all the time..........

Stephen

/crosses fingers

If true this will make my bank holiday weekend

InFront

no I don't work for the MoS, but I don't like the consensus-seeking tone of the post.

Why not? It's a pity that more people don't ask questions like that to try weigh up the credibility of certain media, not just read whatever is doing the mill and accept it as truth.

A bit more on topic: can anyone remember how FF itself fared in the opinion poll after Bertigate I? I know his personal popularity went up two points, but what happened to FF?
I'm not convinced that sympathy for the Taoiseach would equate to real support for a local FF TD on election day...

ballooba

Yes, but the FF/PD government has not been an option for a long time. The numbers do not add up.

InFront

FG/ Lab/ Greens are apparently at 6/4. What's 6/4, is that the same as 1.5/1? That's very impressive for them if it is.

gandalf

InFront I think they went up as well. It begs the question what would Bertie have to do to get the rank and file of FF up in arms against him. Judging from the responses here and on Politics.ie if one of the papers ran a story tomorrow saying "Bertie in Paedo ring shame" FF supporters would come back with something like "Sure its nice he likes children".

Bateman

6/4 is indeed 2.5 (pre-commission on betfair).

IF, I'd just like people to read any given piece before commenting on it; I don't think that's too much to ask. Whether one reads it or buys it isn't the issue, but asking "should I bother?" kind of defeats the purpose of having a forum such as this.

brianthebard

Bateman wrote:

OK it's o/t, and no I don't work for the MoS, but I don't like the consensus-seeking tone of the post.

I'm not looking for consensus, just want to know what DaveMcG said. When I buy a paper I want something quality, not a rag. Also, where this story comes out will make a difference to how it progresses, if its a rag trying to drag Ahern's name through the gutter, then people may feel he's being hard done by. If it were a six one interview where he was grilled hard but fairly and people felt he had done something wrong it might impact his popularity. Its not just the message that's important here, its how that message is put across.

InFront

if one of the papers ran a story tomorrow saying "Bertie in Paedo ring shame" FF supporters would come back with something like "Sure its nice he likes children".

That's funny because its true! (the popularity, not the paedophilia. dont want to go boosting his ratings...)

gandalf

Bateman has a point there lads doesn't he.

I will do my freeware read of the Mail on Sunday at my local newsagent tomorrow (providing they have any left I don't plan to get up early tomorrow, err today!).

Dave!

Just lookin at the RedC tracking polls here.....

http://www.redcresearch.ie/results.html

Wikipedia says the Bertiegate I story leaked in September, so the results for "If there was a general election tomorrow, who would you vote for?" are:

July 06: FF 35%
Sept 06: FF 33%
Oct 06: FF 39%

How quickly we forget! lol

brianthebard

DaveMcG wrote:

Just lookin at the RedC tracking polls here.....

http://www.redcresearch.ie/results.html

Wikipedia says the Bertiegate I story leaked in September, so the results for "If there was a general election tomorrow, who would you vote for?" are:

July 06: FF 35%
Sept 06: FF 33%
Oct 06: FF 39%

How quickly we forget! lol

What if its all a FF conspiracy and they leaked the stories themselves to gain support!?!?!?:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

Dave!

Hot damn, we didn't think of that!

Those FF spin doctors are to be worshipped....... Geniuses.

brianthebard

Its so dastardly it just might be true....

Voipjunkie

gandalf wrote:

Ah you're that muppet that blocks my light and rubs himself against me all the time..........

If you don't like it why were you smiling

Stephen

I'll be keeping an ear on the 01.00 news on the radio

Bateman

Forget about the "FF leaking the stories because they want to win the election", what about the real conspiracy? FF want to lose the election, they don't fancy presiding over the recession.

Dave!

Yahh! To the Conspiracy forum with ye!

Hugh_C

Bateman wrote:

Forget about the "FF leaking the stories because they want to win the election", what about the real conspiracy? FF want to lose the election, they don't fancy presiding over the recession.

Every dog in the street knows that.

Surprised I haven't read it in here before - easier to snipe from the opposition benches and wait for a few years till the upswing comes round.

gilroyb

Brian, regarding the paper and the author, I assume it's written by Frank Connolly. The mail used to be the Ireland on Sunday. Not the best of reputations, but if they can back up the story then the fact the rest of the paper may be a rag doesn't change the story.

As for the author, he lost his last job thanks to the intervention of McDowell who used his Dail privilege to release information. He 'might' have something of an agenda against this government.

Without having seen the article, if it ends up falling flat on its face tomorrow, the the Mail and the Rainbow will both suffer in terms of reputation.