Golf 1.4 TSI 140 BHP - Opinions?

LegacyUser

What do you make of this car lads? It seems very pacey...

E92

Wouldnt fancy having to pay for both a turbo and a supercharger if they went wrong!You would be talking about €5k to get them replaced.
Wait till next year. There is a 1.4 TFSI(only a turbo this time) with 125 bhp IIRC, not a lot less, and certainly a much less complicated engine and a lot more economical at an average of 47.9 mpg vs the TSIs 39 mpg IIRC, and the Golf is being replaced next year, so you will have to endure a lot more depreciation if you buy now too. If the salesperson says that the car isnt being replaced, hes lying to you, the new version should be here at the start of 2008.

drdre

i would go for the 170 bhp, not 140, i have test drove it and its a big difference from a normal 1.4 golf

Thomas

I actually have the 140 TSI DSG Golf and find it very quick with a great sound when accelerating.

I've test drove them both before buying the 140bhp and it was much smoother with plenty of torque all over the dial. The 170 just seems jerkier - maybe it's just that bit too much for a 1.4 litre engine.

Overall I'm delighted with the car, the build quality is excellent - it feels worth every cent that I paid and more.

The new Golf is due out in late 2008 - it shouldn't impact too much on the value of a well specced 07 Golf. Even the Mark IV's are still expensive.

By the way - on motorway runs I get approx 51mpg (hard to believe but I've got that result over several weeks). Around town gets early 30's.

bazz26

The 1.4 TSi Golf doesn't seem to be selling that well. I haven't seen that many of them on the road to be honest. Seen one 170bhp GT and it didn't look that great to be honest, for another few grand you could get the GTi.

Are insurance companies loading the 1.4 TSi engine? Hardly costs the same to insure as the 75bhp version.

drdre

bazz26 wrote:

The 1.4 TSi Golf doesn't seem to be selling that well. I haven't seen that many of them on the road to be honest. Seen one 170bhp GT and it didn't look that great to be honest, for another few grand you could get the GTi.

Are insurance companies loading the 1.4 TSi engine? Hardly costs the same to insure as the 75bhp version.

I think the insurance is kinda of the same as its still a 1.4.

bazz26

drdre wrote:

I think the insurance is kinda of the same as its still a 1.4.

Alot of insurance companies base their quotes on bhp as well as cc. The Mazda RX-8 is a 1.3 litre but has at least 192bhp and is not as cheap to insure as a Mazda 3.

drdre

bazz26 wrote:

Alot of insurance companies base their quotes on bhp as well as cc. The Mazda RX-8 is a 1.3 litre but has at least 192bhp and is not as cheap to insure as a Mazda 3.

Yep you must be right, i dont know how the insurance companies work but i thought it was on the litre of the car.

Thomas

I had a 1.8 Volvo S40 until I changed to the 1.4 TSI - they gave me a €40 refund(I have 6 months left on the policy). I'm not sure what it would have been for a plain 1.4 though.

bazz26

drdre wrote:

Yep you must be right, i dont know how the insurance companies work but i thought it was on the litre of the car.

Lots of factors in their favour no doubt.

LegacyUser

I'm currently driving a standard 1.4 comfortline...the 80bhp models...and as you know, it's real slow off the mark...so will this 1.4 tsi be like a rocket to me?

drdre

cheesedude wrote:

I'm currently driving a standard 1.4 comfortline...the 80bhp models...and as you know, it's real slow off the mark...so will this 1.4 tsi be like a rocket to me?

Yes, I had the normal 1.4 and i really liked this 170bhp golf.
I dont know about the 140bhp.
You can remap the 170bhp to around 200bhp for approx 500 euro , So it will be like a gti

cyborg

drdre wrote:

Yes, I had the normal 1.4 and i really liked this 170bhp golf.
I dont know about the 140bhp.
You can remap the 170bhp to around 200bhp for approx 500 euro , So it will be like a gti

Chances are you can remap the 140 to 200 bhp too and save yourself 5K over the 170 model.

LegacyUser

What does this "remapping" do to your insurance? Is it illegal?

drdre

cheesedude wrote:

What does this "remapping" do to your insurance? Is it illegal?

As far as i know Its not illegal. You can tell your insurance company. Some remapping companies make sure that no one else can find out that its remapped.

LegacyUser

Jesus if it's not illegal, you would have to do it...but then why would they make it stealth if it's not illegal?

unkel

drdre wrote:

Its not illegal. You can tell your insurance company. Some remapping companies make sure that no one else can find out that its remapped.

Steady on there, giving people advice like that :rolleyes:

You got the first bit right, it is not illegal. Second bit is that you have to inform your insurance company. If you don't, your insurance company has every right not to pay out on a claim. And believe you me, if they can avoid paying out, they will

As for the third bit, that no one will ever know - are you prepared to find out the hard way? E.g. you are (partly! - imagine a kid jumping in front of your car while you are doing less than 30km/h in a residential zone) responsible for a crash which disables someone. If you are found to be (partly) liable and you have no valid insurance, you will never own anything in your life. Nearly all of your income (apart from the amount needed to feed you basically) will be confiscated before it hits your bank account. No credit cards, no mortgage, no holidays - until you die

Think about that...

drdre

unkel wrote:

As for the third bit, that no one will ever know - are you prepared to find out the hard way? E.g. you are (partly! - imagine a kid jumping in front of your car while you are doing less than 30km/h in a residential zone) responsible for a crash which disables someone. If you are found to be (partly) liable and you have no valid insurance, you will never own anything in your life. Nearly all of your income (apart from the amount needed to feed you basically) will be confiscated before it hits your bank account. No credit cards, no mortgage, no holidays - until you die

Think about that...

I dont think i will ever get a remap

Henry Ford III

Clarkson loved the 167bhp veresion

Here.

unkel

Henry Ford III wrote:

Clarkson loved the 167bhp veresion

I haven't read your link, HF, but I remember the review he did for the Sunday Times. He thought it was crap. But never mind him, I suggest any potential buyer try it themselves

drdre wrote:

I dont think i will ever get a remap

Don't take it the wrong way, drdre! Remaps are a great idea if you live in a country with a very moderate climate like Ireland. It's quite possible to get a substantial performance boost for very little money without ever risking to damage the engine more than without having it remapped.

Just make sure you inform your insurance company and get them to reply back to you in writing!

Henry Ford III

drdre wrote:

As far as i know Its not illegal. You can tell your insurance company. Some remapping companies make sure that no one else can find out that its remapped.

Why would anyone do an "invisable" remap other than to attempt to defraud an insurer?

LegacyUser

Henry Ford III wrote:

Clarkson loved the 167bhp veresion

Here.

Sure that clown didn't even know what the "W" button was in the car, he said he found it hard to overtake a mercedes van. The "W" button turns on traction control in winter conditions which is what Jeremy didn't have on...I'll be test driving this badboy as soon as the dealers are open again so I'll let u know if it's a pile of **** as Jeremy Fat Boy Clarkson says...

Henry Ford III

drdre wrote:

I think the insurance is kinda of the same as its still a 1.4.

I think you are kinda all wrong.

mikedragon32

bazz26 wrote:

Alot of insurance companies base their quotes on bhp as well as cc. The Mazda RX-8 is a 1.3 litre but has at least 192bhp and is not as cheap to insure as a Mazda 3.

But the RX-8 is a 1.3 Wankler engine, whichi is generally regarded as a 2.6 equivalent.

It's taxed as such too.

Was considering getting a Golf GT as we need something with four doors. Has the TSI got four doors? We don't really need 170bHP!

ciarsd

Both the 140 & 170 can be ordered in 3 & 5 door - younger brother has one, smashing car.

copacetic

Henry Ford III wrote:

I think you are kinda all wrong.

I don't think he is, unless they specifically pick out a certain model to insurance load a lot of insurers purely go on engine size.

A friend got an s3 recently and was quoted the same insurance as for the 2.0T version and there is 70bhp or so in the difference.

Also I'd steer clear of the GT for the moment, the rumour is that they are going to revamp it as people don't think it is different enough from the std model. Minor enough cosmetic changes but could make a diff to reselling it..

copacetic

cheesedude wrote:

Jesus if it's not illegal, you would have to do it...but then why would they make it stealth if it's not illegal?

having it 'stealth' allows you to remap back to the factory settings before you sell it on or get your car serviced. It's not that they go out of the way to make it 'stealth' asuch, most maps now are purely a download to the cpu (at least on VAG cars) there is no modification to the car at all so it is just invisible to
the user. The insurance compnay could check this if you were in an accident though so you couldn't really defraud them anyway.I understand it is mainly a method of protecting your warranty and preventing the dealer from having a catch all excuse for anything that may go wrong with your car..

Henry Ford III

copacetic wrote:

I don't think he is, unless they specifically pick out a certain model to insurance load a lot of insurers purely go on engine size.

A friend got an s3 recently and was quoted the same insurance as for the 2.0T version and there is 70bhp or so in the difference.

Also I'd steer clear of the GT for the moment, the rumour is that they are going to revamp it as people don't think it is different enough from the std model. Minor enough cosmetic changes but could make a diff to reselling it..

He is. I work in that area. Any car with a "material" performace advantage will be more expensive to insure. 70bhp is certainly material.

Your friend with the S3 would want to reconfirm all is in order. I've heard stories about direct writers of motor insurance entering a higher performance model in their system as a more sedate one, simply because the higher performance derivative wasn't listed.

p.s. It's also much more expensive to buy than a cooking 1.4, so that would affect premiums too.

Henry Ford III

mikedragon32 wrote:

But the RX-8 is a 1.3 Wankler engine, whichi is generally regarded as a 2.6 equivalent.

By whom Mike? For VRT and road tax purposes it's (incorrectly) treated as 1755cc afaik.

Henry Ford III

copacetic wrote:

having it 'stealth' allows you to remap back to the factory settings before you sell it on or get your car serviced. It's not that they go out of the way to make it 'stealth' asuch, most maps now are purely a download to the cpu (at least on VAG cars) there is no modification to the car at all so it is just invisible to
the user. The insurance compnay could check this if you were in an accident though so you couldn't really defraud them anyway.I understand it is mainly a method of protecting your warranty and preventing the dealer from having a catch all excuse for anything that may go wrong with your car..

Sorry, but modding correctly invalidates warranties, and undeclared will jeopardise insurance.

I'm suspicious of anyone wishing to make chipping invisible. To me it's an encouragement to defraud.

copacetic

Henry Ford III wrote:

Sorry, but modding correctly invalidates warranties, and undeclared will jeopardise insurance.

I'm suspicious of anyone wishing to make chipping invisible. To me it's an encouragement to defraud.

I understand that if you used an approved mod supplier then it may not invalidate the warranty, there are number of approved partners in england.

Also I certainly never implied you shouldn't declare the mod to your insurance, where did you get that from? In fact I pointed out they can find out anyway

Again, people don't 'make' it invisible. It's just the way the modifications are done now. Are you suggesting an big sticker on the windscreen or something?

LegacyUser

So basically, the best thing to do to see if it will interfere with your quote is to ask your insurance company?

drdre

copacetic wrote:

I understand that if you used an approved mod supplier then it may not invalidate the warranty, there are number of approved partners in england.

Also I certainly never implied you shouldn't declare the mod to your insurance, where did you get that from? In fact I pointed out they can find out anyway

Again, people don't 'make' it invisible. It's just the way the modifications are done now. Are you suggesting an big sticker on the windscreen or something?

Yes you are right, it doesnt void the car warranty

copacetic

cheesedude wrote:

So basically, the best thing to do to see if it will interfere with your quote is to ask your insurance company?

exactly, and call around a few too. It may vary from place to place based on Henrys info above..

Henry Ford III

copacetic wrote:

I understand that if you used an approved mod supplier then it may not invalidate the warranty, there are number of approved partners in england.

Also I certainly never implied you shouldn't declare the mod to your insurance, where did you get that from? In fact I pointed out they can find out anyway

Again, people don't 'make' it invisible. It's just the way the modifications are done now. Are you suggesting an big sticker on the windscreen or something?

Point taken

Henry Ford III

drdre wrote:

Yes you are right, it doesnt void the car warranty

I'd be interested to see some proof of that. Not a tuners website btw. Something from the manufacturer would be best.

drdre

Henry Ford III wrote:

I'd be interested to see some proof of that. Not a tuners website btw. Something from the manufacturer would be best.

I was told by a friend who owns a remapping company in dublin.Also why would it be void as in the uk/usa some dealers have partners to remap customers cars.

LegacyUser

drdre wrote:

I was told by a friend who owns a remapping company in dublin.Also why would it be void as in the uk/usa some dealers have partners to remap customers cars.

How will it affect my insurance and warranty?

There is no change to any hardware on vehicle made after 1999 unless we advise you otherwise. Therefore there should be no effect on your insurance or warranty. Fantastic for younger drivers who's insurance is astronomical at the best of times - we sympathize with you totally! However we do advise you to ask your insurance company first if you are worried and do tell them if you have had the work carried out.

Taken from: http://www.turbotech.ie/faq.htm#war

drdre

cheesedude wrote:

Taken from: http://www.turbotech.ie/faq.htm#war

yeah thats just one proof, there are many more people who state the same that it wont affect warranty.And why should it. Its not wrecking the car at all.

LegacyUser

It's crazy, all they do is give the car a new configuration via software...so they don't mess with the engine at all...

drdre

cheesedude wrote:

It's crazy, all they do is give the car a new configuration via software...so they don't mess with the engine at all...

Yeah , i dont know where henry is coming from. But thats his own opinion.
I know a guy who got his new gti form 200 to 250 bhp.
The power is unbelievable for such a small car

bazz26

mikedragon32 wrote:

But the RX-8 is a 1.3 Wankler engine, whichi is generally regarded as a 2.6 equivalent.

It's taxed as such too.

RX-8 is taxed as 1.8 litre and the insurance is mostly based on performance/bhp rather than the rotery engine design.

drdre

ciarsd wrote:

Both the 140 & 170 can be ordered in 3 & 5 door - younger brother has one, smashing car.

Does he have the 140 or 170

LegacyUser

I can't wait to test drive this car...If only the dealers were open today...

drdre

cheesedude wrote:

I can't wait to test drive this car...If only the dealers were open today...

What dealer are you going to test drive it with .nearly all the dealers have it now.When i test drove it last year i was one of the first to test drive it as i rang most of the garages and they didnt have it and i found a test drive model with bradys so drove out to them. Really its a beautiful car.

LegacyUser

Either in Stillorgan or Deansgrange Motors since they are beside where I am...

Sooner the better I get rid of my 1.4 Comfortline...don't get me wrong, great car in perfect nick, but I have had it for a few years now and need something with a bit more poke since that was my first car...

How long can you get for a test drive anyway? I ask because a mate of mine and myself want to test drive the R32 for the laugh one day and we rang up a dealer and they gave us the all clear since we blagged on the phone but how long do they give you and do they let you go on your own?

drdre

cheesedude wrote:

Either in Stillorgan or Deansgrange Motors since they are beside where I am...

Sooner the better I get rid of my 1.4 Comfortline...don't get me wrong, great car in perfect nick, but I have had it for a few years now and need something with a bit more poke since that was my first car...

How long can you get for a test drive anyway? I ask because a mate of mine and myself want to test drive the R32 for the laugh one day and we rang up a dealer and they gave us the all clear since we blagged on the phone but how long do they give you and do they let you go on your own?

I dont think they will let you on your own and they wont give you a car for the whole day. Well i didnt get it for the whole day i got it for about 30-40 mins long drive as the sales guy was sound and thought i was going to buy it

Henry Ford III

drdre wrote:

yeah thats just one proof, there are many more people who state the same that it wont affect warranty.And why should it. Its not wrecking the car at all.

As expected mere opinions and a "should" from a website.

I wanted something from a manufacturer. I bet you can't provide it.

Cars are made and sold as they are for a reason. Upping the engine power will put extra stress on various components without doubt.

I cannot see any manufacturer saying this is ok, and that your warranty will not be effected.

drdre

Henry Ford III wrote:

As expected mere opinions and a "should" from a website.

I wanted something from a manufacturer. I bet you can't provide it.

Cars are made and sold as they are for a reason. Upping the engine power will put extra stress on various components without doubt.

I cannot see any manufacturer saying this is ok, and that your warranty will not be effected.

I bet i can but im not arsed as i have exams coming up and have chicken pox
A manufactuer wont say nothing as you have bought the car its not theirs now and also they have to give warranty.You dont even have to tell them that the car is chipped and they wont know

bazz26

drdre wrote:

I bet i can but im not arsed as i have exams coming up and have chicken pox
A manufactuer wont say nothing as you have bought the car its not theirs now and also they have to give warranty.You dont even have to tell them that the car is chipped and they wont know

I don't know about that DrDre, it might be mentioned somewhere in the small print of the warranty terms and conditions.

If the modification caused damage to a component then the manufacturer would be well within their rights to refuse to fix/replace it. While some modifications are only software upgrades, the end result can be the same.

drdre

bazz26 wrote:

I don't know about that DrDre, it might be mentioned somewhere in the small print of the warranty terms and conditions.

If the modification caused damage to a component then the manufacturer would be well within their rights to refuse to fix/replace it. While some modifications are only software upgrades, the end result can be the same.

In my opinion i think it will be perfect and warranty will remain.I dont see a problem really.