Beaten to death by Car-Jackers?

peasant

It's all over the news.
An Estonian fella and his girlfriend were dragged out of their Golf last night, the guy beaten to a pulp (died on arrival at hospital), the girl could escape and the car was stolen.

A burned out Golf was later found (presumed to be the same vehicle)

Accordiingto the gardai they think that it was a random attack and no other motives were involved other than to steal the car.


:eek: :eek: :eek:


Beaten to death for a joyride ??

FFS ...really ... this joyriding thing has to come to an end NOW before this sort of behaviour becomes the norm.

I'm sick of all this leniancy. Well known scumbags are out there, offending over and over again and nothing ever happens to them.

No wonder they get bored with it and "just stealing" and wrecking cars is no longer good enough a "kick" for them.

Now they have to wreck lives as well.

mike65

Appalling but not a motors issue really.

Mike.

peasant

Well it is ...of sorts ...

What can you do to prevent this happening to you?

Keep doors locked at all times?
Install a panic button with alarm and siren?


I'm seriously freaked out by this ...

DonJose

Where is it reported that he was killed by joyriders? He could have been killed by joyriders or he could have been killed by fellow non-nationals. From what I read in the papers most non-nationals are killed by fellow non-nationals.

Alun

DonJose wrote:

Where is it reported that he was killed by joyriders? He could have been killed by joyriders or he could have been killed by fellow non-nationals. From what I read in the papers most non-nationals are killed by fellow non-nationals.

From breakingnews.ie

Detectives suspect the gang, who are Irish, may have attempted other carjackings in the area over the last year but the victims did not report it.

peasant

On the six-one news it was said that "the attackers were believed to be Irish"

mike65

If you are worried about this kind of thing don't park up in places like the back road at the airport. It sounds like exactly the sort of location to stay well clear of. And carry a flare gun naturaly.

Mike.

colly10

peasant wrote:

FFS ...really ... this joyriding thing has to come to an end NOW

The cops don't give a **** about car theft/joyriding really so can't see it coming to an end anytime soon. It's a law I think is far too lenient.

Gran Hermano

As I'm not from the area where the murder took place, am I correct in thinking
it's a 'lovers lane'?

Maybe I'm jumping to crazy conclusions here but my initial thoughts were that
it could have been an attack by a love rival. There's easier ways to get your
hand on a car these days and whilst I'm appalled and shocked by the crime
I really cant see the normal joyriding scum we have stooping as low as murder
just for a quick spin in a Golf.

I reckon there's more to this than we've heard so far in the media.

I agree with Mike, there's no way I'd be parking up in dodgy dark lanes.

DarkJager

This isn't an issue that the Gardai are going to effectively solve any time soon. Its coming to a stage now, where we'd be better off with vigilante groups hunting these scumbags down and beating them into a vegitated state...

seamus

I think a good question too is, "What were they doing parked on the Naul road in the middle of the night?".

That's not me in any way exonerating the little pieces of scum who did this, but it's generally accepted that there are some places you don't go and park. These pieces of **** aren't in it for the joyriding, they're just scum out to get their kicks - it's reminiscent of that case of the young couple who were beaten and raped up the mountains by 15 year olds. Who knows what would have happened to the woman if she hadn't escaped?

mike65

I don't know the area natually, but I imagine its wasteland of industrial units, brown field-sites, scrubland and rutted roads with almost no-one to be seen after 6-7 pm.

Mike.

I.S.T.

seamus wrote:

I think a good question too is, "What were they doing parked on the Naul road in the middle of the night?".

That's not me in any way exonerating the little pieces of scum who did this, but it's generally accepted that there are some places you don't go and park.

The roads around the airport wouldn't be considered a dangerous place to park. A lot of young couples park around there at night. You also get the airplane spotters, even in the wee hours.

DonJose

peasant wrote:

On the six-one news it was said that "the attackers were believed to be Irish"

Thanks for clearing that up, the courts are way too lenient. The sentences they have been handing down recently are a joke. That scumbag who killed 3 people while drink driving in Navan only got a 3 year sentence. Thank God the DPP can appeal these lenient sentences.

louie

I hope the gardai gets the scumbags. No matter what the estonian was doing in that area, there is no reason for idiots and scum like those ones to do that.

My heart goes out for his family. It could have been anyone else.
Wel all did this parking thing in dark areas for some reasons or other, so...

Gatster

As IrishSpeedTraps mentions there is a large parking area on the Naul Road where truckers/plane spotters/amorous types without a dwelling etc. etc gather to do whatever makes them happy, it backs onto the Golf course (easy escape/approach route for scumbags).

I've seen cars there late at night and truckers stopped for a kip, but by 1230 a.m. there would be probably be very little passing traffic, but this is still pretty shocking.

uberwolf

they have arrested someone

legs11

wow........

arrested and let off the hook to continue his skangerways in a few months/weeks*


*tick box.

Hagar

Why do people continue to use the word "joyrider"? There is no joy in it and it trivialises the crime and the effect it has on the victim. Call a spade a spade, they are either "car thieves" or if there is a threat of, or actual violence, "violent criminals". Thugs would suffice at a pinch.

Seth Brundle

Im going to rename this thread as we don't know why the car was taken.
Incidentally two are being questioned over this. Needless to say, those convicted won't get too hard a sentence!

Seth Brundle

Im going to rename this thread as we don't know why the car was taken.
Incidentally two are being questioned over this. Needless to say, those convicted won't get too hard a sentence!

Wishbone Ash

mike65 wrote:

I don't know the area natually, but I imagine its wasteland of industrial units, brown field-sites, scrubland and rutted roads with almost no-one to be seen after 6-7 pm.

Mike.

No, it's very much a rural and agricultural area (or DAA owned land which is not actively farmed).

Most of the airport Industrial Units are located to the South or East and would not be that quiet at night as many of them operate on a 24 hour basis

Sizzler

Depending on which news site you read there are varying details being reported.

My first reaction was it couldnt have been purely a car jacking as they drove 3 miles down the road and burned it out,pretty pointless Its also the last place you are going to get a few lads just walking around at all hours on a sunday night waiting to hijack a car.It would appear there was another car involved too so it suggests one thing led to another resulting in the car being taken? If they charge the lads they have in custody Im sure some more details will come out....

Whatever happened they should be looking at life.

Terrontress

Definitely. If you drag someone out of a car and beat them to death, it can only be seen as murder. They'll probably plead manslaughter.

I have parked up around the airport several times in the past. My girlfriend was working on You're A Star in the Helix and if I arrived early, I would go there to wait for her to call me.

Also, if I am waiting to pick someone up from the airport, I wait there for their flight to arrive and head round to departures when they say they have landed. Makes it easier than being told to move on by the airport police.

One of the reasons why I park here is because I enjoy seeing and hearing the planes taking off and landing. There are other places I could wait but the young boy in me finds it exciting.

I must stress to people from outside of Dublin, there is nothing unusual or suspicious whatsoever about being parked here.

Sizzler

Terrontress wrote:

I must stress to people from outside of Dublin, there is nothing unusual or suspicious whatsoever about being parked here.

There is after it gets dark Its a KWIK-FITTER's dream as you can almost guarantee half the cars that are parked there at night will be booked into the local kwik fit workshop the next morning for a new set of back shocks!

Terrontress

Sizzler wrote:

There is after it gets dark Its a KWIK-FITTER's dream as you can almost guarantee half the cars that are parked there at night will be booked into the local kwik fit workshop the next morning for a new set of back shocks!

I haven't been there after midnight but I have been there after dark alright. Till around 11 or so. Usually it is waiting to pick the girlfriend up so I have no chance of testing the suspension but even at late hours; I have seen fathers with young sons, again waiting for flights to arrive, standing out of their cars watching the planes take off and land so it is hardly Sodom and Gomorrah.

Savman

Know the area well, I don't believe it was a straight forward robbery gone wrong. It's also frequented by Garda and Airport Police patrols. Has to be more to it than meets the eye.

testicle

kbannon wrote:

Im going to rename this thread as we don't know why the car was taken.
Incidentally two are being questioned over this. Needless to say, those convicted won't get too hard a sentence!

You will find that there is only one sentance available for murder.

Stark

Assuming they're convicted of murder and not manslaughter. Also "life" rarely means life in this country.

Wossack

Stark wrote:

Assuming they're convicted of murder and not manslaughter. Also "life" rarely means life in this country.

from here (citizensinformation.ie is a bit iffy at time mind)

'Of those prisoners serving life sentences who have been released, the average sentence served in prison is approximately twelve years. However, this is only an average and there are prisoners serving life sentences in Ireland who have spent in excess of thirty years in custody.'

12 years...? :eek:

blastman

Terrontress wrote:

Definitely. If you drag someone out of a car and beat them to death, it can only be seen as murder. They'll probably plead manslaughter.

Not necessarily, you have to prove premeditated intent to kill for it to be murder. If it was a car-jacking, I doubt the intent would be to kill the guy, just slap him around a bit and take the car.

However, I don't believe it was as straightforward as that

drdre

the guys who did this shop be jailed for LIFE.or should be put on an electirc chair
There idiots with no mission in life.

testicle

From today's Indo:

Estonian 'kicked to death for his mobile phone'

GARDAI believe a young man was kicked to death yesterday because a gang of teenage thugs wanted his mobile phone.

The victim was named last night as Valerii Ranert, a 28-year-old Estonian, who had been living here for just two months.

Senior Garda officers believe a group of small-time thieves from the Coolock area of north Dublin were responsible.

Two suspects, a 17-year-old and a man in his early 20s, were being questioned by detectives about the murder.

They were arrested by gardai yesterday in the Priorswood area of Coolock and taken into custody under section 4 of the Criminal Justice Act.

Mr Ranert was sitting in his Volkswagen Golf car with an Estonian woman early yesterday morning when he was attacked.

The car had been parked in a layby at The Naul Road in Forrest Little, Swords, around 1.15am.

At least three youths were involved in the attack. Two of them kicked in the windows of the car and tried to grab Mr Ranert's mobile phone.

Mr Ranert resisted their efforts as his female friend jumped out of the car and hid in the grass.

It is understood that she fled to raise the alarm.

Mr Ranert was kicked in both sides by the thugs who then dragged him onto the roadside where he was kicked repeatedly in the head.

Gardai said last night it was not yet clear if the attackers had also used a blunt weapon in the assault.

A post-mortem examination, being carried out at the City Morgue in Marino last night by the State Pathologist, Dr Marie Cassidy, is expected to confirm that Mr Ranert died from head injuries.

The thugs made off in Mr Ranert's Golf, which had either a Northern or English registration, and another dark-coloured car.

The Golf was later found burnt out at a vacant itinerant camp at St Dominic's Park in Coolock. Mr Ranert, a forklift driver, had been living in Westend Village in Blanchardstown in west Dublin.

The suspects are known to local detectives and are thought to have been involved in a spate of thefts in the Coolock-Darndale area.

At least one of the suspects was believed last night to be on the run as gardai kept a close watch on known haunts of the gang.

Mr Ranert was taken by ambulance to Beaumont Hospital but was pronounced dead within an hour.

Last night, Chief Supt Gerry Philips, who is heading the investigation, appealed for witnesses with any information about the incident, to contact them.

All of the thugs are believed to be aged between 17 and 22 years.

Chief Supt Gerard Philips said gardai were keeping an "open mind" as to the motive behind the killing.

He said investigators were looking for any assistance they could get from the public, especially in relation to other people who may have had their car hijacked in the area but who did not report.

"We would like to hear from anyone who may have passed that location in or around that time or who was a victim of a similar incident in the past," he said.

Supt Philips added that it was still unclear what type of weapon was used in the attack and if the gang intended to kill Mr Ranert.

Anyone with information on the killing is asked to contact Swords garda station on 01 6664700.

Tom Brady and Breda Heffernan

peasant

That's the bit that gets me every time:

The suspects are known to local detectives and are thought to have been involved in a spate of thefts ....

So why are they out and about ?

Stark

Country is so riddled with scumbags these days that we've nowhere to put them all.

Gran Hermano

Am sure there's plenty of room 6 feet down, but the liberals protest too much

Rudolph Claus

Why arent there jails being built for all these scumbags?

The law in this country is a joke, theres no deterrent whatsoever.

Once you kick someone in the head it should be treated as murder, you dont kick someone in the head to rough them up a bit, thats what thumping is for. How can cases like this be treated as manslaughter, if 3people kick someone repeatedly in the head what do they expect to happen the person, its not as if the person will walk away with a scratch.

Theres also a serious issue with assaults like this in Ireland where if the victim doesnt die, but is left completely in a vegetable state, the assailants are usually not charged with attempted manslaughter let alone attempted murder. There is no deterrent for kicking the life out of someone in this country.

dmck2886

Drove past where this sick attack took place and their isnt even one bunch of flowers there,, im just wonder why not much detail about the car was giving when the are looking for witnesses eg. colour, year etc.

Gran Hermano

If the motive behind this murder was the theft of the mobile phone/car
the book should be thrown at these complete scumbags. I really can't
understand how murder in the course of a premeditated crime can warrant
a reduced sentence of manslaughter. Killing someone in the course of robbing
a mobile phone just illustrates how low the scum on our streets are stooping
now. What's sickening me as well is how the local TDs are jumping on the
bandwagon and using this to score points off each other today.

BostonB

Its shocking that it could happen to anyone now. How Ireland has changed.

vector

while installing flame throwers underneath your car south africa style might not yet be necessary in Ireland there is alot to be said for locking your doors when you are in your car, make it a habit (put seat beat on, lock doors) you are then only vulnerble if a carjacker has a gun or baton

Stark

I think the hijackers smashed the windows. But yes, it is a good idea to lock your car doors when you're in the car. Especially if you're driving around Dublin in traffic. People have had junkies come up to them and try to open the doors in the past.

BrandonBlock

vector wrote:

make it a habit (put seat beat on, lock doors) you are then only vulnerble if a carjacker has a gun or baton

Not a good idea - especially when driving on motorway, national roads, etc. If you're in an accident, they have to smash windows, cut roofs off etc to get you out rather than just open your door.

Yes if you're parked down some dodgy road near the airport at midnight, do it - but for gods sake don't make it a habit as you say. Some of the "advice" on these boards is pretty shocking.

Seth Brundle

Thats not the case - modern cars detect an incident and unlock the car.
if the door isn't damaged then if the window needs to be smashed then so what! If cutting is involved then either the doors will not open due to damage or else the occupants are trapped inside and cutting is necessary.

As for parking at the airport (or indeed anywhere) people should not feel that they may die because they do that!

BrandonBlock

Would you risk your life relying on the technology that opens your door when an accident is detected, I mean do 100% of cars have this? Is that really good advice to be giving people. Should you not be saying, if you have a car registered after 2002, and is a Ford, Merc, Toyota, but not BMW - then do this? Do you see my point. I think it's bad advice to be giving to the general public who own a wide range of cars, from different years. A LOT of people don't drive "modern" cars. I know I don't.

Regarding your point "if the window needs to be smashed so what!" - I don't know if you realise, but smashing a driver's window isn't exactly safe for him ESPECIALLY if he's already injured. Broken glass flying everywhere? Err.. no thanks.

Also I did not say "parking AT the airport", read my post again, I said "some DODGY road NEAR the airport at MIDNIGHT". When you are parked on an isolated road, you're hardly gonna be involved in an accident - so locking your doors won't do any harm.

Seth Brundle

1. I trust the same technology to move me at speed and to slow me down from same speed.
2. my car is 10 years old and has the technology to unlock in the event of an accident.
3. I didn't suggest smashing the drivers window. A rear window is more preferable if onoe needs to be smashed.
4. My point was that (depending on the incident) if the occupants needs to be rescued from the car then it is quite likely that the car has suffered sufficient damage that the doors may not open anyway!
5. I get the impression from your post that the glass flying everywhere will be like a sheet glass window - it wont
6. when I said 'at' the airport, I meant the road at the back. i don't know if its dodgy. Its quiet though which is why couples go there. Still no excuse for what happened.

BrandonBlock

Well, call me sceptical but I don't trust technology unless I've observed it effectively working. Especially when my life may depend on it. So for the time being I'll drive with my doors unlocked. Agree to disagree and all that

Seth Brundle

its no skin off my nose but it is becoming more and more common for items to be taken from cars whilst stuck in traffic. Carjackings, whilst not common, are AFAIK becoming more and more frequent.
I would not drive with my doors unlocked!

MarkN

Cars these days, when an airbag goes off and the doors are locked, they open.

My car locks all doors over 10 km/h and I wouldn't have it any other way. If it really is a matter of life and death and it's so evident in this thread, a window will take only a second to smash.

If you have any sort of a high performance car and you drive around Dublin with the doors unlocked, you are asking for trouble.

BrandonBlock

Fair enough, I drive around Dublin City Centre in traffic during the day, at night, drive around Blanchardstown. Load of different areas and have never seen or have anything like that attempted on me. Maybe they only pick on elderly people or girls who are easier targets. I know if they tried it on me they'd get a nice autolok to the head.

MarkN

You would be so taken back with shock you wouldn't even be able to find your autolock.

You're very naive if you think the eldery or girls are the only people targeted in car theft!