Grindhouse broken up

TheIrishGrover

Looks like Grindhouse is going to be broken up here too like the rest of Europe. Also the release date is Sept 21 for Deathproof (Tarantino) No release date for Planet Terror (Rodriguez) yet Damnitalltohell.

http://www.empireonline.com/news/story.asp?NID=20659

From Empire:

Grindhouse Dismantled
UK audiences will see two separate films




It’s been announced that Grindhouse, Tarantino and Rodriguez’s double-headed exploitation-fest, will now be split into two separate features for its UK release. QT’s slasher fick, Death Proof, will screech onto screens on September 21, whilst Robert Rodiguez’s zombie-horror, Planet Terror, is yet to receive a confirmed release date.

Having now officially tanked at the US Box Office, The Weinstein Company’s head-honcho, Harvey, had this to say about the decision to split the double-feature down the middle: “Based on US audience's positive reactions to Quentin Tarantino's Death Proof and Robert Rodriguez's Planet Terror combined with their resistance to the three-hour running time, we’ve revised our UK release plans to allow audiences the chance to see the films separately, like they will be shown in all international territories.”

If you have a weak bladder and the three hour-plus running time of the original cut sent you into an excrutiating, leg-crossing frenzy, then this may come as soothing news. But this will no doubt be a hugely controversial decision amongst those who were looking forward to experiencing the full Grindhouse extravaganza as the filmmakers originally intended.

Crucifix

That sucks.

Brow

This really annoys me. I was nearly counting down the days to this and now they pull this stunt.

Patricide

monkeyfudge

The fact that they make twice as much money on ticket sales this way of course had nothing to do with it.

TheIrishGrover

Half of the fun of these pics for me was the whole 2 film dealy itself. Wonder what they're going to do with the fake trailers that Roth and Wright etc did.

............... On the plus side, with the release date that far out maybe it'll be out on DVD in the US combined by then. Here's hoping anyway.

Zapp Brannigan

Yeah doubt I'll go see this now. Absolutely ludicrous to change it from a double feature, that was a main selling point!

Jello

Ah they've ruined the whole point of the films!! And September 21, ffs! :mad:

Mossy Monk

September!!!!! Wasn't it meant to be June? They have annoyed me. This will probably be out on Region 1 DVD before then.

Basq

Ahhhhhh.. the joys of multi-region DVD players.

They're taking the piss to be honest!

TheIrishGrover

basquille wrote:

Ahhhhhh.. the joys of multi-region DVD players.

They're taking the piss to be honest!

They are indeed. I for one intend to skip it in the cinema and get it R1. I know it's not exactly "sticking-it-to-the-man" 'cos I'll still buy a legit copy. But at least they won't get my cinema money AND my DVD money. You just KNOW they'll release an original cut DVD then the films seperately recut etc but I don't want to see them as extended independant MOVIES. I want to see them as they were supposed to be seen: rough,hammered together B-flicks and IN ONE F*CKING GO!!!! Then maybe the new shiny cuts

rizzla

Well, I think I won't bother going to see any of them in the cinema now, just pick up the Region 1 DVD when it's out.

Raekwon

Oh the Weinsteins are a right pair of bloody geniuses! :mad:

I cannot believe their decision to split this 'double feature' up and from reading various message boards I am not alone. Do they honestly think that they will claw the money they lost at the US box office by ripping off the rest of the world? I think most people will either wait for the region 1 DVD or illegally download these movies.

Btw, what is going to happen to the trailers between the two features? Are they going to be released separately too :rolleyes:

johnny_ultimate

They honestly must think Europeans are a bunch of badly attention-spanned idiots. The film was designed as a double bill ffs. I think I will be ordering this one on DVD, really will take away from the whole experience seeing it cut in two.

humanji

Well, it looks like we won't be getting a cinema release:

imdb wrote:

Grindhouse, the Robert Rodriguez-Quentin Tarantino homage to the horror films of the 1960's and '70s faces the prospect of a DVD release only in Britain, following its box-office failure in the U.S., the London Independent on Sunday reported. The newspaper said that the film is also being axed in other countries. "All is not yet lost, though," the newspaper observed, noting that Tarantino is cutting his half of the movie, Death Proof, and submitting it in competition at the Cannes Film Festival, which opens in two weeks.

Running Bing

B*STARDS:mad: :mad: :mad:


I have never been looking mroe forward to a film in my life. I for one will be illegally downloading this picture. I would not give those fvckers a penny of my money:mad:

Running Bing

This whole incident has proven one thing though.


The public do not want something that is fresh and exciting and original. All they want is the same mindless Will ferrel flicks and endless big budget sequels. Creativity in the moviemaking is slowly but surely dying out.

humanji

Babybing wrote:

This whole incident has proven one thing though.


The public do not want something that is fresh and exciting and original. All they want is the same mindless Will ferrel flicks and endless big budget sequels. Creativity in the moviemaking is slowly but surely dying out.

Eh, but this isn't fresh. They're just doing the old style grindhouse movies

qwertplaywert

on channel 4 teletext films news, they say planet terror is being released in oct

J.R.HARTLEY

from the films press release from the PR company

Tarantino’s Death Proof will be released via Momentum Pictures/Dimension Films on September 21 with Robert Rodriguez’s Planet Terror released at a later date to be confirmed shortly.

gucci

This sucks. reminds me when i used to like system of a down ,then they released two 35minute-ish albums because "they had waay too much material for one album" and i didnt buy either because they sucked. have a feeling these movies will be poor too and the added bonus of them screwing you twice for admission means il probably skip it. :mad:

Sad Professor

No need to worry about paying to see both films as it's looking very unlikely imo that Planet Terror will get a theatrical release here or even in the UK, it will most likely go straight to dvd. The films will probably be split for the U.S. dvd as well.

This isn't quite the same as the Kill Bill fiasco where Tarantino was refusing to cut down his precious opus. Grindhouse has been a flop in the U.S. and the Weinstein's are viewing the double-feature concept as a failure. A lot of people in the states didn't understand that it was two movies and walked out after the first.

TheIrishGrover

Sad Professor wrote:

No need to worry about paying to see both films as it's looking very unlikely imo that Planet Terror will get a theatrical release here or even in the UK, it will most likely go straight to dvd. The films will probably be split for the U.S. dvd as well.

This isn't quite the same as the Kill Bill fiasco where Tarantino was refusing to cut down his precious opus. Grindhouse has been a flop in the U.S. and the Weinstein's are viewing the double-feature concept as a failure. A lot of people in the states didn't understand that it was two movies and walked out after the first.

Yeah, that true apparently. And, adding to this, apparently Planet Terror's only supposed to be middling. So there was poor word of mouth. Of course the poor word of mouth could be justified. (Remember Four Rooms anybody? )

Thing is though: Tarantino's films normally get a better reception in Europe than US. Remember Dogs made more money in UK and Ireland than in US. Not just per head of population but actual takings.

koneko

**** this. I wanted to see both, back to back, with the trailers sandwhiched nicely in the middle. It's not even the money that bothers me as much, I just really wanted the double-bill

Raekwon

The blame for this lies directly at the feet of the Weinstein brothers. They foolishly released this movie on the easter weekend over in the states, the time of year which is usually reserved for more family type movies (hence the reason that 'Are We There Yet', 'Epic Movie' and 'Wild Hogs' out-grossed 'Grindhouse'). Also Harvey Weinstein told LA Weekly and the Hollywood Reporter that the biggest problems with this movie was it's length (3 hours & 12 minutes) and the fact that people in the Midwest & Southern states failed to understand the concept due to lack of a better marketing plan.

So the Weinstein's overall release and marketing strategy was a disaster and everybody outside of the US has to suffer with an even more bizarre marketing strategy; releasing the movies separately 3/4 months after the originally planned date...................pure genius! :rolleyes:

I'll leave you with this quote from Mr. Harvey Weinstein: (source)

'"Quentin's movie goes out first in competition at Cannes. He'll do an extensive 4 to 5 month tour. And the trailer will be all Quentin's". "Then we'll release Robert's a couple of months later. By splitting it up, we're going to do a hell of a lot better internationally than we did here."

I love the last line.................he must think people over here are as dumb as his marketing team :rolleyes:

Necronomicon

FFS, talk about contradicting the entire concept. I certainly won't be going to see them separately. **** that.

qwertplaywert

gucci wrote:

This sucks. reminds me when i used to like system of a down ,then they released two 35minute-ish albums because "they had waay too much material for one album" and i didnt buy either because they sucked. have a feeling these movies will be poor too and the added bonus of them screwing you twice for admission means il probably skip it. :mad:

man i didnt buy either of those albums for the same reason :d

JPA

This sucks the big one. I don't look forward to many films or go the cinema much anymore but this was looking great and great value for money too!
Now it just sucks.
DVD or elsewhere for me now. :mad:

Aldebaran

Ah thats just ruined my day, just cos America doesn't take to something why does that mean we have to suffer. Even though its two movies now i still think they would have been more successful in europe as one film, we're not stupid and i think a lot of people are gonna stay away, i am anyway.

One film in europe and two in america would have worked out a lot better for everyone.

spacecoyote

yup i think its gonna have to be a wait for the double feature dvd to be released, it's such BS. I know at the end of the day its all business, but i think they've just completely shot themselves in the foot. Splitting the feature in two is not going to attract more of your average movie-goers imo, and it will only serve to alienate the numerous fanboys who have been salivating at the thought of this since the first talk of its release!!!

This whole incident is just like when Kill Bill came out. Promised one film, we instead get one decent if totally unoriginal film and a very long and unnecessary sequel. I think I'll be waiting for the DVD rather than give the Weinsteins 16 euro.

Thinking about it the DVD will only be a few euro more than seeing both films in the cinema.

Running Bing

Problem is will the DVD be the double feature? Most of the rumbles I have heard is that both films will get DVD releases. Perhaps eventually it will get a single DVD release but if it does happen it wont be for years until everyone has bought the individual DVD's so they can cash in.

Im gonna get on to my cousins in America;) that might be the only chance to ever see this film in it's intended form again:eek:



btw does anyone have any idea what will happen to the artificial trailers?

TheIrishGrover

Babybing wrote:

Problem is will the DVD be the double feature? Most of the rumbles I have heard is that both films will get DVD releases. Perhaps eventually it will get a single DVD release but if it does happen it wont be for years until everyone has bought the individual DVD's so they can cash in.

Im gonna get on to my cousins in America;) that might be the only chance to ever see this film in it's intended form again:eek:



btw does anyone have any idea what will happen to the artificial trailers?

Want to know about the trailers too. Deadly fun. Aye, think the Cousins'll have to be checked which is a pity as I try not to rely on them.

Running Bing

TheIrishGrover wrote:

Want to know about the trailers too. Deadly fun. Aye, think the Cousins'll have to be checked which is a pity as I try not to rely on them.

Yep the quality control on products from my cousins in the states is not usually the best, which is a bit of a pain when watching on a big screen. But I will relish taking money out of that b*stard Weinsteins pocket:mad:

Karl Hungus

Lads, cut the "Cousins" bull****. Ok?

Sad Professor

lol

StarryBud

God, who cares? Some of you people are easily upset. So *what* if you have to pay twice? You do know that there's TWO films, right? It's not like you're getting ripped off. And both will probably be different, longer edits than those included in Grindhouse.

lodgepole

StarryBud wrote:

God, who cares? Some of you people are easily upset. So *what* if you have to pay twice? You do know that there's TWO films, right? It's not like you're getting ripped off. And both will probably be different, longer edits than those included in Grindhouse.

I hope so anyway. The missing reels and artificial bad quality must have sounded hilarious on paper but in reality they're fairly ridiculous. Certainly Death Proof is a good enough film to be fleshed out by re-inserting the missing reel (which was shot) and playing by itself. Over three hours is a lot to ask of an audience, particularly in this genre of cinema. People will try to blaim Weinstein but the real reason it did badly was because the budget was too high for a film with a limited audience. If they had made their films for less than mil$5 they'd be in profit, and the opening weekend would have been a success.

So Grindhouse bombed at the US box office? Also, we can't handle the full length movie?

Hrm..
Grindhouse - 191 min (US)
Titanic - 194 min
King Kong - 187 min


All of these movies are equal to or longer than Grindhouse, yet the only difference is that these were successful, why? Because, as someone mentioned previously, they were released at the right time. Just because some muppet messed up, doesn't mean we should be punished too. So what are they going to do with the trailers then? Theres.. 4 trailers (i think) so I wonder if they will show them before each movie?

Brow

Anyone know if Tarantino or Rodriguez have commented on the film split?

lodgepole

Deleted User wrote:

So Grindhouse bombed at the US box office?

Relative to its budget yes it did. They made a mistake pulling it though, it would have had legs and would eventually have fallen into profit with DVD sales. However, expecting it do well against its budget well given its content and genre was ludicrous.

Also, we can't handle the full length movie?

Hrm..
Grindhouse - 191 min (US)
Titanic - 194 min
King Kong - 187 min

The only difference between them is when they were released? Come on... Both Titanic and King Kong were PG13, Grindhouse is R. Titanic and King Kong are far more accessible than a double bill homage to films that most people think are ****. Titanic and King Kong were strong amongst many different audiences, from all age groups including couples. Grindhouse has a limited audience because of its content, not its length but becuase of that length audiences who might consider taking a chance will stay away.

I never said you couldn't handle a three hour movie. The general audience, the bread & butter, don't want to take a chance on a film like this. But i'm in its target audience, i've been watching these kind of films for over a decade. My girlfriend won't go near it with a ten foot barge pole.

The film is amazing. Like I said, Death Proof could have gone out alone without any of the Grindhouse hoopla and been a huge success.

Rodriguez commented on the split in this month's Empire but not on the UK & Ireland. At the time it was only non-English areas that were being split and he was fine with it. Tarantino seems fairly happy for it to go out in as many different versions as possible. For example, he never had any intention of replicating the double bill on DVD, or any of the film imperfections.

Brow

All these updates I see have Weinstein commenting. If anyone has a link or info on what Tarantino/Rodriguez have to say with regards to the film being deemed a failure, send it this way!

It's a shame cause they planned to do a sequel...

Sad Professor

I reckon Tarantino is probably quite happy to have the films split up as it means he can go back and put everything back in. As Kill Bill proved the guy has trouble with editing. Let's just be grateful if we only have to pay for one Death Proof and not two. Death Proof, Vol 2?

qwertplaywert

man
was it pulled it in america as a two in one? is it being re-released?

Sad Professor

qwertplaywert wrote:

man
was it pulled it in america as a two in one? is it being re-released?

I believe they are planning to re-release it in the U.S. as two films, yeah.

I think bad marketing and the length can be blamed for it flopping. The Tarantino segment will do fine on it's own but the Rodriguez film is screwed in the UK and here. He's not well known and there are no big stars which is why I can see it going straight to dvd.

I agree with Lodgepole that people aren't interested in 3 hour movies anymore. Titanic is a bad example as it was an event movie, people who hadn't been to the cinema in years went to see it. Grindhouse was never going to attract the mainstream audience LOTR/KK attracted, it was designed for a cult audience, people who take films seriously. For most people those 3 hours would be better spent on the motorway or shopping. The death of cinema as we know it is upon us, folks. Soon it'll all be dvds with chapter stops.

I'm still kinda glad to see a Tarantino effort flop. The guy is extremely talented but his ego is out of control and needs to be taken down a peg or two. He ruined Kill Bill by splitting it in half.

qwertplaywert

ah man kill bill was brillant

Spitfire666

it was never going to do well in the cinema. its just not that sort of film. it was a cult film before it was even finished.

Petey2006

I have some thoughts about this on me blog. Here's an extract-

I, for one, was looking forward to paying to see two movies for the price of one. I wanted to get absorbed into the experience these directors were trying to bring to us. But now, I, and everyone else outside the US wont get the opportunity. Is there a possible solution to this dilema? Yes. But it's not ideal. It's barely acceptable. The solution, as I see it, is to wait until the Region 1 DVD release of Grindhouse (presuming it wont be butchered in that format too) and watch it on the small screen. So no cinema viewing for me. Or anyone else for that matter.

dulpit

It's annoying, esp. cos i saw a trailer for the thing last week in cinema (Mahon Point in Cork...)

Also, is there any chance that maybe the art-house type cinemas might pick it up in original form (i.e. Kino in Cork, whatever ye have in Dublin)???

And i for one have no problem with very long films, provide they're good. Lord of the rings, over 3 hours not a bother. Titianic on the other hand is like getting somebody to gouge my eyeballs out repeatedly for 3 hours... So provided the films are good, 3 hours is no bother at all...

Petey2006

I sincerely doubt any of the arthouse cinemas (it's the IFI here in Dublin... and to a lesser extent, the Screen) will show it. I think we have to resign ourselves to the fact that the film is going to be released broken up.

qwertplaywert

meh
mainly worried about the fake trailers being lost