Guy Gowan 1 Day Tutorial for Boards

leinsterman

Some of us attended Photofest yesterday and got a first hand chance to see Guy Gowan in action showing how to get the most out of CS3, Bridge and other apps. I think we would all agree it was very valuable ... (lads please post your opinions here for the rest of the gang to see ...)

MikeyAnywhere was so impressed he forked out €180 for his DVD's ...

For the rest of you all we have is a link to his, half built, web page -
http://www.etipsntricks.com/

In case you don't know who he is .. he is one of the people who Adobe consult when they are designing CSx ... There is also a video at -
http://www.apple.com/uk/pro/techniques/aperture/workingwithaperture.html

He is pioneering non invasive techniques to get to most from your images ... (e.g. dodging and burning without using the dodge and burn tools in CS3) ... he has a very good way to make things seem easy to understand...
I think it would be extremely valuable to bring Guy over to Dublin (or hook it on to one of his many trips) for a full day session with the boardsies ... the cost is a bit on the expensive side so we would need numbers ...

Total cost is €1,500 for a full day plus expenses

Ok ... this may seem a lot but if we can line up 30 people is will be about €40-€50 each (I estimate) ...

So who is (in principle) interested, please vote above ... if numbers are big enough ... I'll follow up ...

Roen

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Count me in, I'll go to €150. Can pay you via PayPal or any other means.

leinsterman

If the cost is less than €100

I'll figure out a way to collect the money if there is enough interest ... Roen can you vote in the poll ?

GristlyEnd

Not at all

I'm willing to pay around €100 for this and can be confirmed as a definate. I just about remembered his mono conversion and tried it out last night. Very impressed.

leinsterman

If the cost is less than €100

DarrenG wrote:

I'm willing to pay around €100 for this and can be confirmed as a definate. I just about remembered his mono conversion and tried it out last night. Very impressed.

Darren ... Can you post the technique in the photoshop thread ?

sineadw

If the cost is less than €100

leinsterman wrote:

Darren ... Can you post the technique in the photoshop thread ?

Oh yes please!

I'd go, but it'd have to be more like €50 before I could justify it TBH.

Fajitas!

If the cost is less than €100

I probably would depending on funds, and know a few others that would be interested.

leinsterman

If the cost is less than €100

:mad: ... please, please, please vote in the poll ... if this thread gets a bit on the long side I'd want to have to pick out the information from it ...

I'll only proceed based on reaching critical mass and this will be judged purely based on the poll ...

sineadw wrote:

Oh yes please!

I'd go, but it'd have to be more like €50 before I could justify it TBH.

Fajitas! wrote:

I probably would depending on funds, and know a few others that would be interested.

sineadw

If the cost is less than €100

leinsterman wrote:

:mad: ... please, please, please vote in the poll ... if this thread gets a bit on the long side I'd want to have to pick out the information from it ...

I did I did!! I was just being verbose

leinsterman

If the cost is less than €100

sineadw wrote:

I did I did!! I was just being verbose

ooops ... my bad ... must've not updated the browser or somthing ...

leinsterman

If the cost is less than €100

Hi ... there is a chance to book into a pre-existing seminar for €100 -

http://web.mac.com/etnt.ie/iWeb/etnt.ie/Retouching%20Workshop.html

This one is on 22nd June at NCAD ... places are limited but keep the votes coming ... Perhaps a better approach is to negotiate a group rate or ask them to extend into Saturday for a boards session ...

Dara Robinson

If the cost is less than €100

Count me in

GristlyEnd

Not at all

leinsterman wrote:

Darren ... Can you post the technique in the photoshop thread ?

Will post it up this evening.

Paulw

If the cost is less than €75

I'd be interested in this too. Could be useful.

rymus

Not at all

definately interested after seeing him at the weekend.

Borderfox

Not at all

Count me in, I popped into his seminar in Croke park last year and his way of working is excellent, would be willing to go to a hunded.

minikin

If the cost is less than €75

surely we'd also have to hire a venue?

leinsterman

If the cost is less than €100

minikin wrote:

surely we'd also have to hire a venue?

Possibly ... and yes this would also involve a cost ... but there are other possibilities ... you are welcome to help us investigate solutions ... we are all too aware of the problems!

This reminds me - Seb ... do you think we could get a lecture theatre at DCU ?

minikin

If the cost is less than €75

the sugarclub would be ideal

leinsterman

If the cost is less than €100

Yeah ... if I need to get a paying venue then I'll look at that later ... for now I'm hoping there is someone from our group who can provide a free venue at their work or college ...

Unless you mean that that you can get the Sugar Club for free for a day ...

Anyways ... we still don't have enough numbers to justify the whole event yet ... lets give it a bit more time before we take any action on getting a venue ...

Anyone got any ideas for a free venue ? ... Living rooms won't work .. they would need to accomodate 30+, a projector and pc etc ...

rymus

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leinsterman wrote:

a projector and pc etc ...

Doncha mean a mac?

I can possibly provide projector, I'm sure Guy would bring his own laptop...

leinsterman

If the cost is less than €100

rymus wrote:

Doncha mean a mac?

I can possibly provide projector, I'm sure Guy would bring his own laptop...

I stand corrected ...

Think guy brings a G5 ...

Big issues on this one will be numbers and a venue ... I suspect we may struggle to get this one far under €100 each ... this would require numbers of 30+ ... but lets see ...

We really need a free venue!!

Xios

If the cost is less than €100

I'm deffo interested in this, i'll fork out 75 squid, so add me on, just curious about the time frame though, are we talking weeks from booking till the event or months?

leinsterman

If the cost is less than €100

well chances are we may try to hook into the event in NCAD durign late June ... but we need more than 25 to get a private session at €75 ... not impossible ... but will be a challenge ...

... in addtion I will place no booking until everyone has paid in full ... there will be no credit given on this one ...

minikin

If the cost is less than €75

I'd be a bit wary of the free venue thing, would hate to pay out €100 for something that didn't go ahead because of a problem with the venue.

Roen

Not at all

Voted, lightning stole my internets I'm afraid so I'll have limited access for a bit.
The fewer people the better for me. but I'll have to go with the majority rule of course.

Covey

Not at all

Subject to availability, I'm a definite.

T.

minikin

If the cost is less than €75

this is looking like a goer, 23 people = €65 each
(with a free venue)

leinsterman

If the cost is less than €100

Ok we are getting close on numbers but we can't rely on 100% pull through form the poll ... I'm looking into getting some sponsorship from a local vendor ... or maybe inviting Canon to host the event or something like that ... I also requested two quotations from Guy's company ... one for a group discount to the pre-existing session at NCAD ... the other for a stand alone session ...

minikin

If the cost is less than €75

nice one, great to see positive action!
are you looking after bookings - who/how can we pay, is paypal an option?

rymus

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Just got this link in a comment on my blog. Dont know if anyone here has seen it yet..

http://www.thestudio2u.com/etntworld/

Scroll down to the bottom, looks like theres going to be a course on in June surrounding RAW processing and retouching.

leinsterman

If the cost is less than €100

rymus wrote:

Just got this link in a comment on my blog. Dont know if anyone here has seen it yet..

http://www.thestudio2u.com/etntworld/

Scroll down to the bottom, looks like theres going to be a course on in June surrounding RAW processing and retouching.

Yeah ... I posted about that above .... I asked about a group rate or scheduling around the same time...

CONMIKE12

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Nice meeting you all at photofest.That was my second times seeing guy and he's excellent so count me in. His methods have allready gotten me better shots,tried some out yesterday and tonight and they work in the real world a treat. Here's one for reference ,mayube it'll get a few more people interested.Apologies for the large size but in the smaller version you cannot see how his methods retain detail in the shadows as well as the highlights,and it was sharpened at amount 500,radius 1 and threshold 0 and i shot the original one stop over exposed, all learned from seeing him twice. For those who haven't seen what he does , he is well worth investigating.

mikeanywhere

If the cost is less than €100

Hey Conor,

Good meeting you at last and love the picture mate.

leinsterman

If the cost is less than €100

CONMIKE12 wrote:

Nice meeting you all at photofest.That was my second times seeing guy and he's excellent so count me in. His methods have allready gotten me better shots,tried some out yesterday and tonight and they work in the real world a treat. Here's one for reference ,mayube it'll get a few more people interested.Apologies for the large size but in the smaller version you cannot see how his methods retain detail in the shadows as well as the highlights,and it was sharpened at amount 500,radius 1 and threshold 0 and i shot the original one stop over exposed, all learned from seeing him twice. For those who haven't seen what he does , he is well worth investigating.

Hey Conor ... can you post the technique in the Phtoshop thread ?

Thanks ...

leinsterman

If the cost is less than €100

OK ... some not so great news I afraid.

I spoke to Guy's agents in Ireland and they have changed their orignal quote to me based on our requirements. They seem to feel that if we make an big event out of it then they should look for a per head charge ... personally I think this is a bit rich, not to mention greedy, considering all they are doing is collecting money with me handling all the logistics. There is no additional burden on them if our numbers increase. They did make the point that Guy would normally charge more for a group of pro's. Thier rate to us is what they consider acceptable for amateurs. Please draw your own conclusions ...

... during the course of my conversation on the phone the goalposts appeared to be moving all over the place ... so I am less inclined to want give my time to act on their behalf...

In essense this puts the workshop out of the price range of most people in this thread (sorry!!) ... however just in case people change their minds here are our four main options -

• Weekday private training seminar for 10-15 people, fee: €1,500. per day plus Travel, transfers, B&B, subsistence expenses: €250.- €300. approx. (charged as incurred) per day excluding VAT. Assuming we can get 15 people involved and the venue is free then the cost for this would be approx €135 each
• Weekend private training seminar for 10-15 people, fee: €2,000. per day plus Travel, transfers, B&B, subsistence expenses: €250.- €300. approx. (charged as incurred) per day excluding VAT. Assuming we can get 15 people involved and the venue is free then the cost for this would be approx €170 each
• Training workshop to a larger group 30-40 people, fee: €100. per person per day excluding VAT. If you add €300 for expenses and assume we get the venue for free then working on numbers of 25 (for argument sake the price would be approx €125 each
• Every man and women for themself at the €100 per person session at NCAD on 22nd June . Note this session can accomodate 50 and they are booking as we speak with at least 25 spaces filled but it would give you a shorter amount of time with Guy and less flexibility than a private session (see Linky)

Perhaps the best thing to do it get one person to go and post the techniques in the photoshop sub-forum!!

sineadw

If the cost is less than €100

Whoa... too rich for my blood I'm afraid. I'm not experienced enough yet that I'd get enough out of it to justify the outlay. And besides, that'd be my nifty fifty paid for! And then some.

Thanks for looking into it all though Fair play.

Roen

Not at all

A new poll perhaps? I'm going for the weekday or weekend private seminar, will pay up as and when it happens, just let me know LM

minikin

If the cost is less than €75

I'm pulling the opacity down to zero on my choice there, perhaps he'd like us to make pension contributions and set up an i.s.a. for him too.

Xios

If the cost is less than €100

Hmm, maybe if i'd used photoshop before in my life i'd be able to learn something, but alas, i think a new lens would improve my images than his seminar.
Thanks for doing the leg work, LM

Fajitas!

If the cost is less than €100

Wow.

Taking us for a ride or what!

I say Mikeanywhere comes back to Dublin, we get a load of cans, watch the DVD's, and have a laugh!

elven

If the cost is less than €100

cheeky sods. Thanks for checking it out LM. Fajitas is right...

CONMIKE12

Not at all

fair play to you leinsterman for doing all that research,pity it hasn't worked out for us.I would have paid up to €250 for an all day workshop but Inhad a long chat with him last year in croke park and he nade an awful lot of sense. It reminds me of sopmething he said though, this year at photofest.People have no problem forking out a couple of grand on a lens but when asked to pay a couple of hundread euro on how to get the best from their images with that lens,they freak out and start complaining about the cost ,it's funny no?.... cos it's true

leinsterman

If the cost is less than €100

Hi ... sorry we could not sort this one out ... I'll email his agent and tell her we are not proceeding ... maybe this will change their position but I doubt it ... they will not want to offer a compromise pricing as it could affect their business elsewhere ... especially since it is being debated in a public forum ...

That bit of understanding of their situation aside ... they could have handled this a lot better by being clearer on their requirements in the first place and not moving the goal posts ...



Rymus ... you may as well unsticky this thread ...

Fajitas!

If the cost is less than €100

Well done in looking into this anyways Simon!

Paulw

If the cost is less than €75

Shame about it, but fair play for doing the research and making the calls.

rymus

Not at all

Cheers for that email Simon, I've just managed to pull my jaw off the floor now after reading their expected payment. He's good, but he's not €250 per day good. This is very disappointing altogether... Thanks for putting the effort into it anyway.

Morlar

Not at all

Cheers for checking into this. It looks like they saw dollar signs and got greedy - which is a shame.

leinsterman

If the cost is less than €100

I think we were too hard on Guy ... now he understands our motives ... he is being very reasonable ...

This thread is closed ... see this one -

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/forumdisplay.php?f=27

jarlathflynn

Just been to a guy Gowan event in Edinburgh ( March 18th 2008) . I did not take notes at the event on how best to change Colour to Mono

Are there any free tutorials out there?

Fajitas!

If the cost is less than €100

Hundreds;

http://www.google.ie/search?client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&channel=s&hl=en&q=B%26W+conversion&meta=&btnG=Google+Search

If you want Guy Gowans, I reccommend buying the DVD though.