respecting/concerns about opponents/boardsies?

ditpoker

just wondering if there's anyone who'd make you a tad unhappy as they sit down at your table. say you're playing at the GJP 1k game, who'd you least like to see sit down at your table and why. does your game plan change at all?

for example, i recently sat at a table for the first time with Daitheo, fully aware of who he is and his ability to outplay the majority of players, i made the decision to stay out of his (which was probably playing into his hands a bit). think richielawlor was at the table too, and before cards were dealt i text lloyd giving out about my horrid luck with the table draw!

equally, who do you grin with delight with as they sit down beside you!? for me its goodluck2me!

Solksjaer

ditpoker wrote:

just wondering if there's anyone who'd make you a tad unhappy as they sit down at your table. say you're playing at the GJP 1k game, who'd you least like to see sit down at your table and why. does your game plan change at all?

for example, i recently sat at a table for the first time with Daitheo, fully aware of who he is and his ability to outplay the majority of players, i made the decision to stay out of his (which was probably playing into his hands a bit). think richielawlor was at the table too, and before cards were dealt i text lloyd giving out about my horrid luck with the table draw!

equally, who do you grin with delight with as they sit down beside you!? for me its goodluck2me!

if you are serious about poker, you should be delighted to play with better players. For me Id be more than pleased if the top players on this site were on my table, i can't really learn from fish. Spiral and bad beat Joe would probably annoy me from the sound of things.

BigCityBanker

ditpoker wrote:

just wondering if there's anyone who'd make you a tad unhappy as they sit down at your table. say you're playing at the GJP 1k game, who'd you least like to see sit down at your table and why. does your game plan change at all?

for example, i recently sat at a table for the first time with Daitheo, fully aware of who he is and his ability to outplay the majority of players, i made the decision to stay out of his (which was probably playing into his hands a bit). think richielawlor was at the table too, and before cards were dealt i text lloyd giving out about my horrid luck with the table draw!

equally, who do you grin with delight with as they sit down beside you!? for me its goodluck2me!

you can lie down and die or you can tackle it head on and establish your territory/table image.

ntlbell

tournament's i would't really be worried about anyone.

cash I don't wany any half decent boardsie cash player at my table and will move tables.

boba_fett3099

ditpoker wrote:

for me its goodluck2me!

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redzerdrog

there is nobody in a tournament that i would i fear I think I would enjoy the challenge more than anything.

There is one very well respected boardsie that i like having at the table and can be good for a double up but he shall remain nameless;)

Hitman Actual

ntlbell wrote:

tournament's i would't really be worried about anyone.

cash I don't wany any half decent boardsie cash player at my table and will move tables.

This is about right. The skill (dis)advantage is neutralised to a certain effect in tournaments, but cash games against the wrong players could be hard on the wallet.

Glowingmind

Generally i tend not to worry about particular opponents in tournaments. There's plenty of boardsies that would make a table easier by getting themselves knocked out, but i've not come across one yet that i've groaned at the sight of them joining my table.

It usually helps to know who the good ones are though.

Generally any of the boardsies i've played against more than once tend to be of a significantly better standard than the other regulars(SE tourneys mostly) in the weekly tourneys.

ocallagh

pppspecial, mrpillowtalk, hj (altho i have only played against him for about 1hr in total) and gholimoli.

Any decent player who can play very aggressive on the turn/river is trouble.

HawkEye and cardshark202 also come to mind. Both similar styles.

Captain Tom

sideshow bob if you have a headache.

5pin5

i love when a boardster sits down because they have an idea how to play unlike me who pushs and prays

BigCityBanker

ocallagh wrote:

HawkEye and cardshark202 also come to mind. Both similar styles.

these are the same person - he just has multiple boards.ie accounts

Marq

every time you sit down to play poker you have to believe that you are the best player at the table.

In cash games this should be easy becuase if you practice good game selection you should often actually be the best player at the table (obviously you should be aware enough to know when table dynamics are turning against your favour). In tournaments you can't do that and you have to roll with the punches.

Maybe daithio is a good player, or maybe he just gets repeatedly lucky, or maybe today you're going to play the best poker of your life, or he's on tilt and playing badly.

At the poker table a person'sreputation preceeds them only until they play the first hand, then you have to judge them on how you've seen them play here and other times you have played together.

Not getting involved with a player because you heard they were very good is silly. If you just play every hand as well as you can then you should realise your expectancy over time.

As an aside to what I said about believing you are the best player at the table:
the poker table isn't the place for analysis of hands you have played. If you feel you made a mistake in a hand, there's no point thinking about it while you're still playing. There's too much going on at the table that's of importance to you to be focussing your mind on a previous hand. continue to try to play as well as you can.

Importantly though, as soon as you get off the table you must analyse your play. You're no longer at the table so there's no need to delude yourself that you're better than everyone else, and you can now be critical about how you played specific hands. You might then realise that you were grossly outplayed or that you made a big error - but the good thing is that by realising these things you take a step on the road to being a better player.

dannydiamond

I would have thought having richie lawlor at your table would counter-act the good players:D

jimmy456

tourneys in my book are a challenge so therefore i would be honoured to be at their table as it is a great learning curve for u, but if i was trying to grind out a living at the tables the more weaker players the better IMO

Goodluck2me

ditpoker wrote:

equally, who do you grin with delight with as they sit down beside you!? for me its goodluck2me!

have we ever played at the same table for more than 20e? also with such a good chane to play with such a fish last night why did you back out?

to be honest im never particularly bothered about who sits down beside me but i do appreciate thought that my edge is lessened by the quality around me. (for cash). I prefer to play against good player and learn from them and play my best against them, i would fear anyone per sae. i think marqs previous post was one of much importance too. i cant think of anyone at the moment that i have played with where i though whoa i want to stay out of there way.

Edit to say - Richie LAwlor was my favourite to play against ans made a conscious effort to play pots with him the last time we played cash.

LuckyLloyd

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DubTony

Marq wrote:

every time you sit down to play poker you have to believe that you are the best player ...... these things you take a step on the road to being a better player.

Nice Post.

Goodluck2me

On a similar note - Is it bad etiquette to show someone you know in a big game a bluff? could you be forgiven for being annoyed if your friend showed you a bluff in a big tournament?
one which im always unsure of.

DeVore

I'm not concerned about how "good" or "bad" a player is reputed to be.

I'd rather play against Andy Black when I am pretty sure I know his game then some randomer who had a play-book that I dont know what it contains.

If I could exactly model my opponent then thats the optimum.

Ask yourself this: who you would you rather play against... a semi serious (non muppet) player or a top flight pro who always played with his cards face up.

All of that said, there are some players who I DONT want to see at my table, but in general I will take them on and try and put some fear into them from the very first tangle so they look for easier prey. (When i played rubgy our coach used to say "on the first tackle, hit the fncker as hard as you can.... he wont want to be tackled by you again". It works on and off the pitch!)

DeV.

DeVore

goodluck2me wrote:

On a similar note - Is it bad etiquette to show someone you know in a big game a bluff? could you be forgiven for being annoyed if your friend showed you a bluff in a big tournament?
one which im always unsure of.

You have no friends at the table.

DeV.

Goodluck2me

DeVore wrote:

You have no friends at the table.

DeV.

so if you and mike are playing at the WSOP and bluffs you off a massive pots and shows it to you,a nd you are left short stacked. you`d be ok with it?

Ollieboy

goodluck2me wrote:

so if you and mike are playing at the WSOP and bluffs you off a massive pots and shows it to you,a nd you are left short stacked. you`d be ok with it?

Yes, if it means he tilts in the next hand, thats the game. There really is no friends when it comes to money and poker is all about money. But there is a players honour....lol

as for people sitting at your table, I love having good players and players I know, ie Andy, Dave etc. Would you like the chief at your table, I love the chief at my table in any position, as its action. But if you dont know a player, you might laydown top pair, because this guy overrates 2nd pair and plays it strongly out of position.

but as Marq says, your the best at the table and if you doubt that, you shouldn't be at the table. Never show fear or its over for you.

The_Chopper

Ollieboy wrote:

Yes, if it means he tilts in the next hand, thats the game. There really is no friends when it comes to money and poker is all about money. But there is a players honour....lol

as for people sitting at your table, I love having good players and players I know, ie Andy, Dave etc. Would you like the chief at your table, I love the chief at my table in any position, as its action. But if you dont know a player, you might laydown top pair, because this guy overrates 2nd pair and plays it strongly out of position.

but as Marq says, your the best at the table and if you doubt that, you shouldn't be at the table. Never show fear or its over for you.

I hate when Ollie is at my table, I always seem to get caught bluffing more, lol

Ollieboy

The_Chopper wrote:

I hate when Ollie is at my table, I always seem to get caught bluffing more, lol

Just good timing mate...lol

DeVore

The Chopper wrote:

I hate when Ollie is at my table, I always seem to get caught bluffing more, lol

You've obviously never had Mike and I at your table. If Mike or I were at each others table in any game not only would it be de rigeur to bluff each other but it would be *mandatory* to show the bluff and needle the other for about 10 hands afterwards about what an uber-fish the other is.

If you are thinking in any other terms you are in the wrong game.

I'll gut you at in any way I can at any game I play. If I like you I'll buy you a pint afterwards but anything less is an underhand insult. I'd be furious if someone treated me any different. I dont need your fnckin sympathy

DeV.

hotspur

How you act is not an immutable feature of the game to which you are deterministically shackled. If you want to be nice to a friend at the table be nice to them. That old "bust my own grandma at the table" stuff is an merely using the culture surrounding the game as an excuse to be a ruthless git. It's one long game, if you can't take a hand or two along the way to cut a friend a break then you care more about money than friendship, don't play the "that's poker" excuse.

NickyOD

You should never meet your heros. They'll only disappoint you. After I first played with Marq I was devastated.

Nice post Marq btw.

kincsem

I would see soft-playing against someone as an insult to their playing ability. It could also be considered teaming or collusion.

The_Chopper

Ollieboy wrote:

Just good timing mate...lol

Not always by you though

The_Chopper

DeVore wrote:

You've obviously never had Mike and I at your table. If Mike or I were at each others table in any game not only would it be de rigeur to bluff each other but it would be *mandatory* to show the bluff and needle the other for about 10 hands afterwards about what an uber-fish the other is.

If you are thinking in any other terms you are in the wrong game.

I'll gut you at in any way I can at any game I play. If I like you I'll buy you a pint afterwards but anything less is an underhand insult. I'd be furious if someone treated me any different. I dont need your fnckin sympathy

DeV.

I love it - i'll enjoy that if you guys ever sit down with me

DeVore

I would take any soft play as a fnckin' insult.

Chopper, I'd love that too... Mike will concur (when he wakes up) that at the side events of tournies we report at the irish guys (Mike, Daithio, KP Etc,) regularly tear up tables just to get the chance to stack each other.

Ask Mike about the last hand in the cash game after the London EPT (I stacked him ... he's SUCH a fish when he's drunk)

All joking aside, I ask no quarter and give none. I will do absolutely everything inside the rules of the game to gut you and leave you outside talking to yourself. Thats the game. I expect nothing less of people I play with in return.

Ask anyone around these parts and they'll tell you I'd loan you half the money I have left when we are on the road. I value true friends very very highly but if you sit down you have declared yourself to be in the fight and the only rules are those of the game.

I hope you feel otherwise because if you do, its going to be easier for me to exploit that.

DeV.

Shortstack

I am not particularly fussed who is at my table. Just adjust your game to the way everyone else is playing. As the table make up changes throughout a tournament make sure your game is able to change to best suit the table dynamic.

Anyone's chips are fair game, friends or not. If you don't feel comfortable taking a friends cash then don't sit a table with them.

Dev's cash is worth twice as much as anyone else's, especially when he starts with the best hand. It is worth getting stacked a few times to suck out on him eventually.

Bluffing PiperT a few times in the cash game in Manchester was fun too

ocallagh

hotspur wrote:

How you act is not an immutable feature of the game to which you are deterministically shackled. If you want to be nice to a friend at the table be nice to them. That old "bust my own grandma at the table" stuff is an merely using the culture surrounding the game as an excuse to be a ruthless git. It's one long game, if you can't take a hand or two along the way to cut a friend a break then you care more about money than friendship, don't play the "that's poker" excuse.

Cash, if we were good mates (and HU) I'd take it easy if they were not bankrolled for the game. Tournaments, forget it. My brother will contest to this.

Marq

NickyOD wrote:

After I first played with Marq my stack was devastated.

FYP.

The Clamper

PERSONALLY I DONT CARE WHO TURNS UP AT MY TABLE IN TOURNEYS

GENERALLY, BETTER PLAYERS WILL BE EASIER TO BLUFF OFF A POT, ALTHOUGH I NEVER BLUFF

POORER PLAYERS OR DONKEYS, CAN BE THE DEATH OF YOU. THEY CAN BE OVERVALUING HANDS AND CANT LAY DOWN AN ACE WITH ANY KICKER COZ SOMEONE TOLD THEM NOT TO, SO THAT MAKES THEM EVEN HARDER TO BLUFF AGAINST,

FOR THESE 2 REASONS, I NEVER BLUFF AND I DONT CARE WHO SITS WHERE

RECENTLY I RERAISED A GUY WITH TJs AND THEN HIT MY STR8, WHEN I TOOK DOWN THE POT, HE LOST THE PLOT AND ACCUSED ME OF BLUFFING PRE FLOP. LATER IN THE GAME I RERAISED HIM AGAIN WITH 69s AND HIT 669 AGAINST HIS ACES, WHICH HE SIMPLY COULDNT LAY DOWN AND WENT OUT OF THE TOURNEY. I MET HIM IN THE SMOKING AREA LATER AND HE ONCE AGAIN ACCUSED ME OF BLUFFING.

I THOUGHT ONE WOULD ONLY BE ACCUSED OF BLUFFING IF ONE LOST THE HAND ??? OR AM I WRONG

ACTUALLY, NOW THAT I THINK HARDER ABOUT IT, THERE IS ONE KIND OF PLAYER THAT ANNOY THE HELL OUT OF ME, A VERY DRUNK ONE

THESE GUYS USUALLY HAVE NO CLUE WHAT THEY ARE DOING AND FOR SOME BIZARRE REASON, TEND TO DONK PEOPLE. THERE SEEMS TO BE A DIRECT CORRULATION BETWEEN THE AMUNT OF ALCOHOL CONSUMED AND THE AMOUNT OF DONKING. THERE IS PROBABLY A MATHEMATICAL EQUASION SOMEWHERE THAT ACCOUNTS FOR THIS BUT I'M DAMMED IF I KNOW IT.

LASTLY, I WILL SAY THIS, THERE ARE A FEW PLAYERS THAT I WOULD RATHER THEY GAVE THE GAME UP, THESE FEW PLAYERS ARE FAIRLY WELL KNOWN SO I WONT MENTION ANY NAMES.
THEY WANT THE FULL ATTENTION OF THE TABLE ON JUST THEM AND THEIR ANTICS
THEY HARRASS, HASSLE AND HARRANGUE NEW PLAYERS AND GENERALLY ABUSE EVERYONE AND ANYONE, INCLUDING THE DEALERS
WHEN THEY WIN IT WAS GREAT PLAY AND RUB IT IN TO THE LOSER
WHEN THEY LOSE IT WAS BAD LUCK AND HAVE A GO AT THE WINNER
ONE IN PARTICULAR HAS ALREADY BEEN BARRED A FEW TIMES FROM A FEW CASINOS IN DUBLIN BUT THEY KEEP LETTING HIM BACK IN
THIS LEOPARD WONT CHANGE HIS SPOTS AND REPEATEDLY ABUSES

HE ONCE TOLD ME HE BEHAVES LIKE THAT TO DELIBERATELY UPSET PLAYERS TRAIN OF THOUGHT AND IN AN EFFORT TO REMOVE HIM OF "GET HIM BACK" THEY TEND TO CALL HIM MORE THAN THEY SHOULD

HE CALLED IT GAMESMANSHIP
I HOEVER WOULD CALL IT SOMETHING VERY DIFFERENT AND AS I DONT WANT TO GET PERMANENTLY BANNED, I WONT PRINT IT HERE OR MENTION THE FECKERS NAME, THOUGH THERE COULD BE CLUES HERE

GETTING BACK TO THE QUERY
I DONT LIKE PLAYING AGAINST DONKEYS OR DRUNKS
I DO LIKE PLAYING GREAT PLAYERS, AT LEAST YOU KNOW WHERE YOU ARE AND YOU CAN LEARN FROM THEM, AND I NEED TO LEARN A LOT

5pin5

i love playing tourments i love the banter that goes with it.i do not like players that abouse others .i make enought to cover myself and i love playing against certin players who think they have you peged.that said i wish someone could show me how to play properly

LuckyLloyd

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Hectorjelly

Just about the guy mentioned in capitals above, he used to be player x didnt he? I was never quite sure who player x was but always forgot to ask. Ive seen him wind people up, but ive never seen him be outright offensive.

Bandara

The Clamper wrote:

HE CALLED IT GAMESMANSHIP
I HOEVER WOULD CALL IT SOMETHING VERY DIFFERENT AND AS I DONT WANT TO GET PERMANENTLY BANNED, I WONT PRINT IT HERE OR MENTION THE FECKERS NAME, THOUGH THERE COULD BE CLUES HERE

lol

beep beep

DeVore

Ugh.... Sobriety.

Shortstack wrote:

Anyone's chips are fair game, friends or not. If you don't feel comfortable taking a friends cash then don't sit a table with them.

Exactly. Dont tell yourself you are soft playing them because all you are doing is appeasing your own conscience. You know you are going to take their cash anyway, you are just doing it slower.

Dev's cash is worth twice as much as anyone else's, especially when he starts with the best hand. It is worth getting stacked a few times to suck out on him eventually.

Which is the only way you are ever going to beat me.

btw the way everyone, beer tastes better when its bought with Mike's money. Its true.


DeV.

Goodluck2me

Hectorjelly wrote:

Just about the guy mentioned in capitals above, he used to be player x didnt he? I was never quite sure who player x was but always forgot to ask. Ive seen him wind people up, but ive never seen him be outright offensive.

Does Player X post here now?

DeVore

goodluck2me wrote:

Does Player X post here now?

I doubt it but anything said should be said in a way that you would be happy to stand over it while facing him. Actually that should just be a rule of all internet postings.

DeV.

Goodluck2me

DeVore wrote:

I doubt it but anything said should be said in a way that you would be happy to stand over it while facing him. Actually that should just be a rule of all internet postings.

DeV.

i think my name is pretty transparent so anything i post on here i expect to be relayed back to me. PM his real name?

Fatboydim

The only person I don't want at my table is someone who smells. Aside from that I don't care. What I do care about however is the balance of the table. Especially in tournaments. For example last years Irish Open I knew seven of the players at my table. All of which were aggresive players... Some LAG some TAG but effectively the balance wasn't great. Then by contrast my table at the WPT I knew no one [except two players by reputation] and they were all TAG so we couldn't build stacks as it took forever to knock the first player out.

So to answer the question... I don't think it matters who is at your table as long as you have a balance between the make up of players. You need some lags, tags, fish, rocks, donks, etc etc...

Jesus Wept

Fatboydim wrote:

The only person I don't want at my table is someone who smells.

good point, that's the most off putting.

Goodluck2me

Was sitting in Seat 5 last night,guy sits in 6 and stinks.. so 2 hands later seat 3 opens and i change. Of ocurse then seat 4 get QQ all in v AQ in the next hand...(and wins):rolleyes:

DeVore

Paddy Hicks... come to think of it! He's a howl but my god he is hard to read and fearless with chips. Honestly I'd rather have Andy Black at my table.

DeV.

smurph

DeVore wrote:

I doubt it but anything said should be said in a way that you would be happy to stand over it while facing him. Actually that should just be a rule of all internet postings.

DeV.

Unfortunately that is rarely the case Devore, It is amazing how many people who were barred from boards, logged on as someone else and decided to let rip at everyone. That's probably why I don't like online poker to be honost. People call with such unbelievable cr*ap that they could not possibly call with in a live game. I do fully agree with the post above.

El Stuntman

smurph wrote:

People call with such unbelievable cr*ap that they could not possibly call with in a live game.

interesting perception Smurph

I find it to be the other way around tbh, online is far tougher than your average live table (certainly the way online is going with harder and harder games)

smurph

El Stuntman wrote:

interesting perception Smurph

I find it to be the other way around tbh, online is far tougher than your average live table (certainly the way online is going with harder and harder games)

I suppose I am coming from the angle of someone who plays online rarely. I believe from the posts here that online has become much tougher. I was playing last night for the first time in weeks and one word sums it up "Yuck". I was playing on GJP and it was the first time I have played with the new ipoker software. I came 32nd (30prizes) on the $10 rebuy 5k guaranteed, first out of the Boards league, horribly played jacks, trying to figure out how to re-raise a raise and just hit the min raise button:( . Went all in on a King high flop, and ran into AK, meh. Ran 9's into 10's in the GJP festival ticket, 3 tabling so all these hands happened withing couple mins of eachother.

It was horrible, and I have greatest respect for anyone who 4-6 tables, I needed to have a vodka after the experience. Think I'll leave the online playing to Martin, although I was going to blame him for going out first in the boards leage:D