General State of the Poker forum.

Lafortezza

Quick poll to see what people would like the future of the forum to be.

LuckyLloyd

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pok3rplaya

I want to vote but I think you should take the word 'theory' out of this option: Create a new high content theory sub forum.

Jesus Wept

has the Lloyd option in polls become the new atari jaquar?!




Edit: I enjoy 'low content' threads and posts, the funny ones, of which there are plenty. I wouldn't want to see the banished.

phantom_lord

I'm going to bed, I hope c is still in the lead when I wake up!

if a little effort is put into it I think it'll be really good and benifical for the forum.

shoutman

I voted for D surely because I think if a waffle, low content forum is created then the mods can go nuts on any waffle posted in the main forum....

RasTa

All the low content should go in the bad beat/venting sticky.

Jesus Wept

RasTa wrote:

All the low content should go in the bad beat/venting sticky.

I think this would make it very dull, personally, If I wanted to read high content I could trawl thru 2+2 constantly, but I think that would make my ears bleed.

I find it better to learn while having a bit of fun at the same time.

I'm happy for fun and serious to seperated a bit, but not to be banished to one over crowded thread.

RasTa

The-Rigger wrote:

I think this would make it very dull

and reading Kraken's post's isn't!

Jesus Wept

RasTa wrote:

and reading Kraken's post's isn't!

Ste05

shoutman wrote:

I voted for D surely because I think if a waffle, low content forum is created then the mods can go nuts on any waffle posted in the main forum....

I think similarly to this, keep the Poker forum for discussing Poker hands, strategy, etc. keep the tournament forum for posting about tournaments and then have a community forum for the over-flow, etc....

Jesus Wept

Ste05 wrote:

I think similarly to this, keep the Poker forum for discussing Poker hands, strategy, etc. keep the tournament forum for posting about tournaments and then have a community forum for the over-flow, etc....

sounds good, only thing is the community element and tournament element are likely to mix, as whats starts out been a 'Double chance at X casino', turns into a report of who played, how they did, and the craic that was had.

Ste05

Well the tournament forum can just be used for what it was designed for, i.e. Announcing Tournaments etc. Trip reports, congratulation threads, gossip etc. obviously goes into the Community forum..

Jesus Wept

Ste05 wrote:

Well the tournament forum can just be used for what it was designed for, i.e. Announcing Tournaments etc. Trip reports, congratulation threads, gossip etc. obviously goes into the Community forum..

yea true, that's what I was thinking, that distinction would need to be made.

I think it would work fairly well, it makes sense to seperate things out a bit, it will encourage more people to view and post as they will be able to get to see/post on what takes their fancy, rather than logging in knowning they will have to dig.

sikes

what should be done, and what i mentioned in another thread, is for the high content threads to be moved to a sub forum where the discussion can continue for a number of days/weeks/months without it disappearing past the front page of the sub forum. there isnt enough threads that would warrant such attention to keep such strict rules on the main poker forum.

As RT said, this is a great community and should remain that way but threads like the 3 bet / 4bet would still be on the front page of the sub forum, so when someone finds an interesting spot etc, we can pick up where we left off.

Most of the posts here are "community" posts so that should be the focus of the forum

Rnger

sub-forum for sub-forum suggestion threads?



im really not helping that much..

Ste05

BTW, I'm certainly not against a Strategy Sub-Forum, I actually think it's a great idea, the reason I've been pushing the Community forum was just that I would hope the main forum would become this Strategy forum and the mods could become alot stricter, while giving us much more rope in the community forum.

Can I ask just a logistics question, who will decide what will constitute "High Content"? and who will get to post in the forum? for example where will Hand Histories go? I would consider some of them Strategy and IMO some of the best threads have started from a HH and often times they are best used to begin a discussion on a certain topic, beit through a tangent, purposely or complete accident, from a Newbie poster.

I think we're still going to get the inevitable "Should I fold AA Pre-flop in the first hand of........." posted in the High Content forum, if it's open to all, new posters/players won't know this has been discussed to death. What will happen to those threads? Or are we going to have some kind of restrictive list of posters who are allowed to start threads (akin to the El D forum on 2+2)?

phantom_lord

Ste05 wrote:

Can I ask just a logistics question, who will decide what will constitute "High Content"? and who will get to post in the forum? for example where will Hand Histories go? I would consider some of them Strategy and IMO some of the best threads have started from a HH and often times they are best used to begin a discussion on a certain topic, beit through a tangent, purposely or complete accident, from a Newbie poster.

we could have it that everyone posts as normal but when a thread is deemed of certain quality it's shipped over to the sub forum. Threads posted on goof theory or whatever would get moved over automatically, and any good hh discussions. maybe we could get some respected poster to help out or something so the mods don't get a load of additional work.

edit: I recommend ste for the job , he put in the request!

phantom_lord

*bump*

Ste05

LOL, I just went looking for this to give it a bump myself and couldn't find it, then I see you had bumped it, mad.

Does anyone else have an opinion we have over 70 votes and only about 10 opinions. It looks like the strategy forum is the winner although it's fairly even. What do the mods and Dev think?

Lafortezza

My thoughts are here: http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055080610

I'd prefer to clamp down on all off-topic waffle.

Goodluck2me

high content strategy forum FTW!

i enjoy reading a lot fo the tournament trip reports etc but i think there has been a decline of the high quality posts/posters activity recently and anything which helps this to re-imerge has to be a good thing imo

mewso

lafortezza wrote:

I'd prefer to clamp down on all off-topic waffle.

As would I. Sorry I mean dot. A sub-forum just means more posts being moved from the main forum because nobody bothers to pay attention. Then an easing off on moving because of overload.
I really think it's a catch 22 because if you go with a sub-forum then a beginners one would be best keeping important content here but with an extreme liklihood beginners would post here anyway. Alternatively you go with a sub-forum for in depth strategy discussion which regulars will probably adhere to while beginners won't spot it. They'll learn that they were indeed the only person who had connection problems last night on ipoker and nothing much else.

kincsem

Theory forum please, but you are not allowed post hand histories there.

And try and structure it in some fashion
Theory / Test / Work / Conclusion

Ste05

musician wrote:

Alternatively you go with a sub-forum for in depth strategy discussion which regulars will probably adhere to while beginners won't spot it. They'll learn that they were indeed the only person who had connection problems last night on ipoker and nothing much else.

While this is certainly appealing and would hopefully happen, I don't think a clamp down on it's own is the answer, alot of the appeal of the forum is the banter and craic that we have at times.

NickyOD

I think a sub forum is a much better altrernative to the bad beat sticky. I never read that thing anymore.

I also like the idea of a sub forum for in depth strategy but think it would work REALLY if it were restricted to regulars or invited posters.

If moderation or workload is a problem then surely there are a few potential mods around here.

LuckyLloyd

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Bandana boy

RasTa wrote:

All the low content should go in the bad beat/venting sticky.

Here here


And stop blasting Kraken
He would have easily won poster of the year if he had a decent campaign manager

Bandana boy

NickyOD wrote:

I think a sub forum is a much better altrernative to the bad beat sticky. I never read that thing anymore.
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You should give it another go
Ok it is cluttered with some bad beats that are not bad beats but there is a bit of craic in there as well

LuckyLloyd

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Bandana boy

Kraken might not read the main forum
As far as i know he might not even be aware of its exitsance

but the Krakenites are every where and we number thousands so beware dissing the kraken

David Michael

I read and thought. " A lot of them are from the country"

cooker3

kincsem wrote:

Theory forum please, but you are not allowed post hand histories there.

See the problem with that is some of the best threads have come about when someone just posts a hand history and then someone says something and a massive debate ensues so it shouldn't exclusively be hand history free imo.

coillcam

I am not really addinng much here TBH.

I am hardly a prolific poster but i have been a lurker for a good while. When I first started reading the posts in the forum their were much more HH whats my line style posts, TLS discussion and game theory etc.( which scared me at the time. ) It has definitely benefited my game a lot.

I would like to see the forum eventually go in the 2p2 direction and have a SnG section, MTT, SS cash etc. questions/discussions forums.

Something else I feel needed to be addressed or maybe even stickied(if successful) is a software/tech resources and questions thread. Every day there seems to be a PTracker, PAceHud, neteller etc. questions. I feel this would be greatly benficial not just for some of our more casual posters(me included) but for everyone.

I know we would hardly have enough content to suffice the above but we should definitely have a strategy/theory section to seperate actual poker content from usual quasi poker related nonsense threads.

ocallagh

random thought. If you added this to the boards poker forum it would be cool (http://www.vbulletin.org/forum/showthread.php?t=61494)

It allows you to categorise threads, eg strategy, technical etc. It might work... thought I'd throw it out there.

It is forum based so the whole of boards won't see it.

Mellor

cooker3 wrote:

See the problem with that is some of the best threads have come about when someone just posts a hand history and then someone says something and a massive debate ensues so it shouldn't exclusively be hand history free imo.

But not every hand history does,
so its far better to keep hand histories out, and if one becomes a great thread on poker strategy, then it is easily moved.

Tar.Aldarion

coillcam, you play home games in galway?
Poor kraken.
New technical subforum or keeping it the way it is are my two thoughts.
If it changes I would like to see the different types of games split up though. SnG , MTT, cash etc

Marq

Creating a subforum for strategy posts is basically like saying that the main purpose of the poker forum is no longer to discuss Poker.

The white noise of low content, wánkerish chit-chat is almost unbearable at this stage, but creating a "high-content" subforum is like capitulating and saying that it can't be improved beyond its current state of bollocksology.

I don't like it for many reasons, some of which have been mentioned already. I think there will be confusion and resentment over what people consider to be "high-content". for some it's complex theory posts, for others it's any question of strategy and all hand histories.

For instance, threads that I consider high-content (i.e., ones worth reading at all) come along about once a day or less, and surely that's not enough material for a sub-forum.

The poker forum has much better players and posters than it did when I started posting on it three years ago, yet somehow for the last year I've found it unreadable.

pok3rplaya

well if we make a subforum at least it'l make it easier for you to find that one post that you deem worthy of your attention.

DeVore

I agree with Marq's point about the purpose of the forum, its well made and valid.

Curious then, that a complaint about signal-noise comes from someone who just bumped three threads with "move up levels".... hmmmm?

DeV.

ocallagh

DeVore wrote:

I agree with Marq's point about the purpose of the forum, its well made and valid.

Curious then, that a complaint about signal-noise comes from someone who just bumped three threads with "move up levels".... hmmmm?

DeV.

ban marq for life for hypocrisy

Marq

DeVore wrote:

Curious then, that a complaint about signal-noise comes from someone who just bumped three threads with "move up levels".

an excellent point.
It was two threads, and I think that moving up levels is pretty sound advice in both of them.
TBH I think that the reason I post the words "move up levels" so much (other than it always being the correct thing to do in the given situation), is that I get so fúcking frustrated by how bad most of the content in this forum is, when we have so many intelligent posters and such a multi-faceted and varied topic to discuss.

Marq

ocallagh wrote:

ban marq for life for hypocrisy

you wouldn't get any complaints from me.

ocallagh

Marq wrote:

you wouldn't get any complaints from me.

i was expecting a . or FTW or move up levels:(

Marq

disappointed?

ocallagh

yeah, I added a sad face

DeVore

Lol... I know why you post "move up levels", I understand the frustration you are voicing (both were etiquette threads btw, so I cant see how its good advice).

If it were someone else I would have warned them or maybe tempbanned them but you are a good contributor to the forum (witness the other two posts you've made just now) and I give good contributors some lee way. Thats not favouritism, its segregation.

What I'm pointing out is the difficulty of pleasing everyone and getting everyone to toe the line about noise and signal. One mans meat is another mans poison.

DeV.

But really I wanted to nail you because I hate you. I hate you so much.

Marq

DeVore wrote:

But really I wanted to nail you because I hate you. I hate you so much.

move up levels.

coillcam

pm sent tar

Solksjaer

ok I think i'll put my hands up here and surrender, I'm probably a noise creator
and it looks like some serious poker players on this site are dismayed by the state of the forum....I probably dont need to post to learn some stuff from this forum so I'll retire from being a poster/noise creator and leave the posts to the serous guys. I will return to my former glory as a lurker. Ok now you just need the other noise creators to do likewise and you will be fine again.


My apologies to the guys who use this forum for pure poker content.

Good luck boys and girls....it's been emotional..

can I still be in the last longer games...:)

Goodluck2me

Solksjaer wrote:

ok I think i'll put my hands up here and surrender, I'm probably a noise creator
and it looks like some serious poker players on this site are dismayed by the state of the forum....I probably dont need to post to learn some stuff from this forum so I'll retire from being a poster/noise creator and leave the posts to the serous guys. I will return to my former glory as a lurker. Ok now you just need the other noise creators to do likewise and you will be fine again.


My apologies to the guys who use this forum for pure poker content.

Good luck boys and girls....it's been emotional..

can I still be in the last longer games...:)

if i was a betting man, id say youll be posting by Wed.