general state of boards/strat sub-forum?

phantom_lord

A few people threw out the idea of a sub forum in the nit thread, I think it warrants some discussion.

Maybe it's just me, but there seems to be less content/interesting threads than a few months ago. This seems like a good way to encourage more content.

Threads like the 3betting one, and the "How to beat the knit army" are more likely to be started and discussed instead of disappearing under a load of threads full of noise.

regs could be encouraged to write pooh-bah type posts every so often like ian's c-bet essay.

anyway.

discuss.

LuckyLloyd

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phantom_lord

UnLuckyLloyd wrote:

Would you envisage the thread including interesting hand history line check hands, or would it solely be for higher level stuff along the lines of what poker3plyr and Robin Lacey are doing??

I don't know. I was thinking that would be a sticking point. Where do u draw the line?

I guess hands like pok3rplayer posted would fit in there. maybe u could make it like 2/4 or 3/6 and up, or hands that have interesting spots and are likely to generate some good discussion.

But then it might divide the poker forum into low and high stakes, although maybe that might be good.

shoutman

I like the idea Shane.
Possibly GJP or someone could have monthly or bi monthly comps, where by they post essay style poker questions like was done for the Irish Open Charity 1K giveaway thing.
I'm sure this is what Shane said above but I have no idea what Poo-Bah means....

sikes

you could get a sub forum that was locked and topics / hands that are interesting get moved in there and the threads be left open.

phantom_lord

yeah, that's definitely one good way to do it.


edit: could we make it that only people who post on boards get access maybe? I don't like lurkers

Lafortezza

DeVore squashed any chance of more sub forums after the Tournament/Events was created. If he changes his mind, it would still need careful planning to get the balance between subforums correct.

I agree about there being alot less good poker content around the forum lately. It's a pity but alot of people are here to chat about what happened in the SE last night instead of crunching numbers on a difficult hand history, or talking about the subtleties of 3-bets and 4-bets. It's just the way the majority/most vocal of posters drive a forum in a particular direction.

Us mods get very very few reported posts or pms (me anyway) about off topic and low content waffle. If alot of people voiced their opinions about reducing low content and off topic posts then I doubt the mods would have much problem with being a little tougher.

phantom_lord

poker seems to mimic after hours almost at times, maybe we should have a social/off topic/bbv type sub forum?

shoutman

I think the fact that the people who post in the poker forum regularly regard the forum as a community, which it is, so therefor they want to have banter with the people they were playing with last night who they know from talking on here, I dont think there is much wrong with that as it is all a bit of fun and isnt that what poker is about at the end of the day, for most of us anyway.

I agree that there has been a lot more *ahem* low content posts recently, but I think the easiest way to sort this out is just have the banter in something more then just the bad beat sticky, a social forum or something...

Lafortezza

phantom_lord wrote:

poker seems to mimic after hours almost at times, maybe we should have a social/off topic/bbv type sub forum?

The bad beat sticky does a reasonable job for filtering some of the crap out of the main forum. Personally I'd wield the ban hammer alot more on low content and off topic stuff but there's never any complaints about it so most posters obviously don't mind it.

Re subforums, it's not going to happen without admin approval and DeV was quite adamant about not splitting up the forum beyond the Tournaments forum. Adding a BBV subforum might work, with the main poker forum being strict about off topic stuff and low content posts/posters.

sikes

we could always just use the mustard forum for our banter and social requirements.

Bandana boy

I think just change the charter to put more of the low content stuff in the Bad beat sticky would do the job

Lafortezza

Bandana boy wrote:

I think just change the charter to put more of the low content stuff in the Bad beat sticky would do the job

lol who reads the charter, srsly!

The Tourist

phantom_lord wrote:

...regs could be encouraged to write pooh-bah type posts every so often like ian's c-bet essay....

Anyone got a link to this essay?

Mellor

Considering the number of regular posters this forum has, (4th biggest I think),
another sub-forum isnt that much, for example Motoring has six subforums,
television has even more, I know its handy to give Lost, 24, Top Gear each its own forum, but there are forums for both the Hoff and chuck norris,
so the argument that forums are only made for genuine causes doesn't hjold any water really.

Mr. Flibble

I for one think a sub forum, be it a BBV type one or the opposite, a strategy type one, is a good idea.

The poker forum really is a community of its own on boards, I rarely browse other forums but always come to the poker one for entertainment. It would be nice to have a place here where one can talk to poker players on topics only lightly related to poker wihtout feeling you are bending the rules.

padser

lafortezza wrote:

I agree about there being alot less good poker content around the forum lately. It's a pity but alot of people are here to chat about what happened in the SE last night instead of crunching numbers on a difficult hand history, or talking about the subtleties of 3-bets and 4-bets. .

Thats pretty much the truth of it, I used to post a little, and read a lot here on this forum and there were lots of ppl (NickyOD, Culchie and a few others who I can't remember offhand) chrunching numbers and asking genuinely interesting poker questions. I didnt really play for about 4/5 months for various reasons and when I came back the forum had completely changed and the poker content had significantly diminished.

I pretty much use non irish sites now for poker discussion and to be honest I would prefer to come back to boards as I prefer the layout and format here. Would a sub forum specifically devoted to discussing theory be out of the question?

BigCityBanker

I see the angle PL is coming from here and im probably as guilty as anybody of making far too many low content posts (im not good enuf at pokah to make high level posts).

Maybe a hand analysis sub forum would filter out some crap and also encourage more hand analysis.

Solksjaer

Mr. Flibble wrote:

I for one think a sub forum, be it a BBV type one or the opposite, a strategy type one, is a good idea.

The poker forum really is a community of its own on boards, I rarely browse other forums but always come to the poker one for entertainment. It would be nice to have a place here where one can talk to poker players on topics only lightly related to poker wihtout feeling you are bending the rules.

Well said Mr Fibble, conversely you have to dig deep in the bad beat sticky to find an actual 'bad beat' it's hand after hand after hand of standard normal beats...to me that is low content noise indeed. I've a welt on my finger from scrooling down.. If the forum was just a geek fest of strategy and hand analysis I'd say half of the current users would hardly bother reading. . The in the well sessions are entertaining and the so called content posts do get an airing and are well read so I don't see the problem....Different strokes....my 2 cents. seems to be more interesting people are playing poker now..:-) do the sub forum thingy your people have spoken.

padser

Why is Dev opposed to a sub forum??

5starpool

padser wrote:

Would a sub forum specifically devoted to discussing theory be out of the question?

As it stands now, yes, as Laf has pointed out. It is the Admins who create and decide on new forums and sub forums, and we can talk about it until the cows come home but it won't do any good. If anyone feels strongly about it then create it in the Forums forum where all such requests are made.

padser

Thats just wierd...I posted in response to your post and it has come up before it!

Anyways Why is Dev opposed to another sub forum?

5starpool

padser wrote:

Thats just wierd...I posted in response to your post and it has come up before it!

A known bug that happens occasionally

padser wrote:

Anyways Why is Dev opposed to another sub forum?

I think he is against fragmentation and a dilution of the forum in general. I can't remember his exact arguments.

phantom_lord

5starpool wrote:

As it stands now, yes, as Laf has pointed out. It is the Admins who create and decide on new forums and sub forums, and we can talk about it until the cows come home but it won't do any good. If anyone feels strongly about it then create it in the Forums forum where all such requests are made.

i just thought it'd be good to discuss it and reach some sort of consensus before heading off to make a request about it.

I think he is against fragmentation and a dilution of the forum in general. I can't remember his exact arguments.

I think it's time to do some splitting up, the forums gotten pretty big at this stage. but that's just my opinion...

5starpool

Well as I have said, no point telling us here.

Mellor

We aren't suggesting a 2+2 type layout with forums for every aspect.
Just a filter forum to sort it out.

5starpool wrote:

Well as I have said, no point telling us here.

When the time comes we can make a formal request, but we need to get it sorted first,
should we have:
Poker/Tourney/OffTopic with strategy & high content in the poker forum, with poker relate low content in the OT forum,
or
Poker/Tourney/Strategy with the general poker related items in the poker forum, and high content HHs, articles, and essays in the strat forum,

Poll??

Lafortezza

BigCityBanker wrote:

Maybe a hand analysis sub forum would filter out some crap and also encourage more hand analysis.

That's another side to the discussion. Do we want the main forum to be more community orientated or more serious poker talk orientated?
This is the poker forum after all, be a bit weird to have the high content areas as a subsection.

padser wrote:

Thats pretty much the truth of it, I used to post a little, and read a lot here on this forum and there were lots of ppl (NickyOD, Culchie and a few others who I can't remember offhand) chrunching numbers and asking genuinely interesting poker questions. I didnt really play for about 4/5 months for various reasons and when I came back the forum had completely changed and the poker content had significantly diminished.

This is the crux of the matter and should be considered before we talk about sub forums. There are loads of other poker forums around the net with low signal-noise ratios. The way this forum is at the moment and the way it's likely to continue is for the occasional good theory thread, entertaining+readable stuff like the Well threads, hand histories and then low content threads that may as well be MSN chats between some posters.

fuzzbox

I dont think a sub-forum is a good idea.

The forum is far too small to do such a thing.

We dont have nearly enough "strategy" type posts to bother creating a sub-forum to house them.

phantom_lord

We dont have nearly enough "strategy" type posts to bother creating a sub-forum to house them.

if we build it they will come...

dvdfan

Maybe i read here more often than others but generally at the end of my days work when i log on i rarely if ever have to go to the 2nd page as all the new posts dont make enough to spill onto the 2nd page. I find when i hover over the heading and see the first few lines of the post is enough for me to consider whether reading the thread or not. I like it as it is and dividing it up now wouldnt be much of an advantage.

On 2+2 for example i visit the stt strategy forum, theres so much content that when i come home from work theres a couple of pages of threads i missed, i dont have the time to run through them all so i generally just read the first page. In this instance a sub forum for Hand Histories, Strategy, Boasting/Bad Beat & Theory and Articles or something similar would allow me to see most of the threads in interested in without having to go to the 2nd or 3rd page of threads but on boards generally any good topics get alot of discussion and stay in the 1st page for a few days before the interest dies off like the "Today i quit my job to become a professional poker playing $3 stt on stars" thread on the stt forum. This thread has stayed on the 1st page, almost the first 3 threads on the stt forum for the last 10 days.

djsctt

Not that I am a regular poster or anything (putting it mildly), but I think an off-topic section would be a useful addition. And light content threads could also then possibly be moved there by mods.

But personally I dont think creating subforums for actual poker strategy or discussion would be a good idea, not at the moment anyway.

careca

Content doesn't really bother me that much as we are all at different levels and everyone has a right to ask a question. What may be low content for some players could be useful to others.

Its the repetitive threads that annoy the **** out of me. Eg Six Max V Full Ring games ---- how many of those threads have we had.

And now that the WSOP is around the corner the old "AA first hand and all 7000 players go all in before you - what do you do" question should be just around the corner

As for KK with an A on the flop ...... Don't get me started :mad:

Goodluck2me

careca wrote:

Content doesn't really bother me that much as we are all at different levels and everyone has a right to ask a question. What may be low content for some players could be useful to others.

Its the repetitive threads that annoy the **** out of me. Eg Six Max V Full Ring games ---- how many of those threads have we had.

And now that the WSOP is around the corner the old "AA first hand and all 7000 players go all in before you - what do you do" question should be just around the corner

As for KK with an A on the flop ...... Don't get me started :mad:

i would say quite comfortably that about 80% of hands posted up for advice contain AA/KK/QQ with about 75% of those being Aces.

I like the long term strategy and Game theory posts i also like the niche threads like Roblacys/P3Ps. i would like to see a few other guys post more like RT and Fuzz amongst others whose knowledge of the game could fill most forums. The general level of play amongst the posters i think has risen but the level of posting hasnt.

pok3rplaya

I am strongly in favour of a new sub-forum be it a community or a higher stakes forum. I don't think it matters much, we just need something to segregate the noise and the signal. As has been said, a lot of people come in here to just talk about what happened in the fitz last night or whether or not luckyllyod is better looking then some other poker playing girl. And I'm guilty of this too, I like the banter and annoying the mods and so forth. Different people come here for different reasons and this needs to be recognised.


I think we have a lot of poker tallents here for such a small forum. People like Fuzz, Valor, HJ, robin, ianmc and others who make good threads that a lot of people can learn from. And this forum should be primarily about leaning poker. But the problem is that there is just too much noise around these threads and the signal isn't getting through clearly enough.

pok3rplaya

careca wrote:

Content doesn't really bother me that much as we are all at different levels and everyone has a right to ask a question. What may be low content for some players could be useful to others.

Its the repetitive threads that annoy the **** out of me. Eg Six Max V Full Ring games ---- how many of those threads have we had.

And now that the WSOP is around the corner the old "AA first hand and all 7000 players go all in before you - what do you do" question should be just around the corner

As for KK with an A on the flop ...... Don't get me started :mad:

This is also true. I think the sticky system is rather inadequate.

5starpool

pok3rplaya wrote:

I am strongly in favour of a new sub-forum be it a community or a higher stakes forum. I don't think it matters much, we just need something to segregate the noise and the signal. As has been said, a lot of people come in here to just talk about what happened in the fitz last night or whether or not luckyllyod is better looking then some other poker playing girl. And I'm guilty of this too, I like the banter and annoying the mods and so forth. Different people come here for different reasons and this needs to be recognised.


I think we have a lot of poker tallents here for such a small forum. People like Fuzz, Valor, HJ, robin, ianmc and others who make good threads that a lot of people can learn from. And this forum should be primarily about leaning poker. But the problem is that there is just too much noise around these threads and the signal isn't getting through clearly enough.

If there is to be another sub forum, then I would prefer it would be for chit chat type threads such as

'I qualified for vegas, what can you do there'
'I love girls, don't ye?'
'What happened in the SE/Fitz last night'
'Look at this picture of IanMc and a goat'

Those type of things. If there is to be a seperate sub forum for serious/strategic issues then what is the main forum for?

LuckyLloyd

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Ste05

How about simply an Irish Poker Community Sub-Forum. It has a name and a distinct reason for existing, that being, so members of the Irish Poker community can meet to discuss stuff relevant to them. Just like the UCD forum, etc. etc. etc.?? It would clear up the main forum some more.

Thoughts??

5starpool

UnLuckyLloyd wrote:

I agree Dom. However, I think there would be a problem getting Admins or S - Mods to agree to such an idea. They would probably argue that there are places such as AH or the nest for Boards members to put up silly meaningless chit chat stuff. As we have seen before, there is arguably a low level resentment to the fact that the forum is one of the larger ones and filled with people who do not contribute elsewhere to the community - so the suggestion of a sub - forum of this nature might be met with resistance from up high.

I don't know if resentment is a term I would use, but unless we get direct support from Tom, I don't think we will get it. Having said that, both the soccer forum and the AH forum have multiple sub forums now.

Ste05

And I see that motors are currently trying to get their 7th sub-forum!!! I say we take it to the "Forums" Forum and then get like a 4 page agreement thread going...

pok3rplaya

you are right there starpool


How about we just get off boards alltogether?

5starpool

Off ya go.

Edit to say that this was a reply to Ste05 only as I had not seen Pok3rplayas post at this point. The post below is my response to that.

5starpool

pok3rplaya wrote:

you are right there starpool


How about we just get off boards alltogether?

?

LuckyLloyd

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5starpool

I can't access AntesUp from work (might be more reason to go I suppose).

pok3rplaya

5starpool wrote:

Off ya go.

Edit to say that this was a reply to Ste05 only as I had not seen Pok3rplayas post at this point. The post below is my response to that.

lol this is really funny in context

Solksjaer

Betty, I've been Moderated!





maybe this thread should be locked and redirected to the said forum section.

Ste05

5starpool wrote:

Off ya go.

Edit to say that this was a reply to Ste05 only as I had not seen Pok3rplayas post at this point. The post below is my response to that.

Done, now let's see what develops:

http://boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=53089653#post53089653

cooker3

Imo, the forum is still too small to sub divide it up further. You never usually have to go to a second page unless you have been away for a few days so don't think more filtering is needed

Mellor

Poker is the fifth most popular forum, in terms of number of posts.
It is forum number 416. So it is around about the middle in terms of the total forums.

The more popular forums are "after hours, computers, soccer, motors"
They are numbers 4, 7, 151, and 47 respectivly. So it is quite clear that poker is growing at a faster rate than these, as they haven't got many more threads dispite being around longer (with the exception of AH). Poker is probably over take these at some stage,
All of these forums have multiple sub-forums. Some up to 6.

I understand the more work required by the mods to deal with another poker forum. But how about a new offtopic (or strategy) forum and for the time being it is locked, mods can move suitable threads to it as they see fit. This will reduce clutter in the forum, and make sure high content threads get the attention they deserve. If it gets to the stage where they are moving high volume of threads it can be opened to all users.

Before we make a request thread we need to know which forums is most wanted.
Strategy or low content.
mods a poll?

Mellor

cooker3 wrote:

Imo, the forum is still too small to sub divide it up further. You never usually have to go to a second page unless you have been away for a few days so don't think more filtering is needed

I disagree, if you go back a few pages, you will find good threads that had serious discussions that were neglected or slipped through unnoticed.
Most dont, but some do, you have to pick out the serious threads from the list, rather than generating a list of serious threads
It makes semse to have a strategy secxtion, to keep all the "congrats, new player, ruling, random" threads together