Boyracers sent to prison

DonJose

Justice has finally caught up with these 2 scumbags. Scum like this should be banned from driving for life, this is not their first conviction as they already had prior convictions for dangerous driving and careless driving.

"TWO boy racers intercepted by gardai while overtaking each other at speeds of up to 140kmh were each given four-month prison sentences yesterday.

At Galway District Court, Judge Mary Fahy said she wanted the message to go out to other young drivers that such behaviour would not be tolerated.

She became incensed when she heard that two pedestrians in high visibility jackets, who were walking on the hard shoulder at the time of the illegal race, were nearly knocked down.

Robert Browne (20), of Lackaghmore, Turloughmore, and Mark Barry (19), of Tudor Vale, Oranmore, Co Galway, each pleaded guilty to driving dangerously at Knockdoemore, Claregalway, at 11pm on May 30 last.

Gardai Marie Flaherty and Michael Guerin were driving along the busy Galway to Tuam road when they noticed a red Mitsubishi Mirage, driven by Barry, overtake a Fiat Seicento driven by his friend Browne. Both cars were travelling at high speed.

As Barry was overtaking, Browne's Fiat swerved suddenly into the hard shoulder. He swerved back out again at speed, narrowly missing the two pedestrians.

The Fiat then continued at speed along the road overtaking the Mitsubishi again.

The gardai clocked both cars travelling at 140kmh before they got them to stop. During the race the car alarm siren in Barry's car was activated and his lights were flashing.

Hearing from Browne's solicitor, that his parents had now restricted his use of their car and was only allowed use it to get to and from work, Judge Fahy said: "On what planet is he and his parents living?

"Do they not watch the news and read the newspapers and see the devastation that the likes of their son is causing in this country?"

Browne had a previous conviction in 2005 for dangerous driving for which he had been fined €400, while Barry was convicted of careless driving last February. He was also fined €400."

Marcus.Aurelius

Should've been 6 months in prison and 10 year ban. Scum

peasant

140 kmh in a Seicento ??

Is that even possible?

bazz26

Karma wins again.

Would be interested to know how anyone can travel at high speed in a Seicento though?

Kimbot

It probably had go faster stripes on it!!

fletch

peasant wrote:

140 kmh in a Seicento ??

Is that even possible?

I've done just over 100mph(indicated on speedo) in a Seicento (on a private runway of course)....not a pleasant experience I can tell you.
It took an eternity to get to that kind of speed so I'm not sure how the boy racer overtook at those kind of speeds. I remember once on the M1 being in 5th gear at 60mph and flooring it, two miles or so down the road I still hadn't hit 70mph :eek: (there was a slight incline in the road)

mike65

Good enough for them. As for the Seicento doing 140kp/h it must have been a yellow Sporting jobbie, going downhill in a gale.

Mike.

johnny_adidas

sounds like the turbulence caused by the mirage nearly blew the seicento off the road

Anan1

fletch wrote:

I've done just over 100mph(indicated on speedo) in a Seicento (on a private runway of course)....not a pleasant experience I can tell you.
It took an eternity to get to that kind of speed so I'm not sure how the boy racer overtook at those kind of speeds. I remember once on the M1 being in 5th gear at 60mph and flooring it, two miles or so down the road I still hadn't hit 70mph :eek: (there was a slight incline in the road)

I'd take the quoted speeds with a pinch of salt, TBH. Remember the stolen MX5 that hit the Garda car on the N11 a few years back? They reckoned that was doing over 120mph..

ZiabR

mike65 wrote:

Good enough for them. As for the Seicento doing 140kp/h it must have been a yellow Sporting jobbie, going downhill in a gale.

Mike.

LOL aye, when i seen the two cars mentioned i actually laughed out loud.

mikemac

They picked the wrong county to do this. Judge Fahy is extremly strict and takes no nonsense.

Which is a good thing, a promotion to a higher court is due some day in the future.

turbot

Wait a second....

140 kmph?

Thats only like 90 mph

Guys thats hardly fast... if one car was travelling at 70, and the other went to over take, it could easily hit 90mph if the engine could get there.

Marcus.Aurelius

turbot wrote:

Wait a second....

140 kmph?

Thats only like 90 mph

Guys thats hardly fast... if one car was travelling at 70, and the other went to over take, it could easily hit 90mph if the engine could get there.

It is if you nearly hit a pedestrian. 90 mph in a seicento or mirage is ridiculous, they're puny things.

Keith C

Did they get a driving ban in conjunction with the sentence??

DonJose

I'm disappointed that the judge didn't give them long driving bans. They didn't learn after their first dangerous driving convictions. They should have been hit with at least a 5 year driving ban.

jhegarty

micmclo wrote:

They picked the wrong county to do this. Judge Fahy is extremly strict and takes no nonsense.

Which is a good thing, a promotion to a higher court is due some day in the future.

The appeal will sort out that problem then ....

Stephen

Yeah, but in a fiat seicento? And am I right in thinking that the judge did NOT ban them from driving once they get out of the big house? I see no mention of a ban in the story.

Also somewhat amusing is the fact that yer man's name is Barry.

randomer

I think there should be a mandatory jail sentence for anyone driving a Seicento.

ZiabR

randomer wrote:

I think there should be a mandatory jail sentence for anyone driving a Seicento.

HAHA

Marcus.Aurelius

randomer wrote:

I think there should be a mandatory jail sentence for anyone driving a Seicento.

What other vehicles should not be driven under penalty of prison? Anyone?

jhegarty

DonJose wrote:

The gardai clocked both cars travelling at 140kmh

How can one car overtake another if they are both doing exactly the same speed ?

one must have been slower/quicker ?

C_Breeze

Sounds like its been blown out of proportion in an "OHHH MYY GOODDDDDD WONT SOMEBODY PLEASE THINK OF THE CHILDREN" type of manner.

I think they are just being made examples of. Sure what they did is not advocatable but I somehow think it's not as bad as its made out to be.

Seicento , 140 KMH and pedestrians whith High visibilty jackets , give me a break ... did they also have golden halo's above their heads.

Just 2 eejits acting the maggot, whats new , u see that carry on everyday but that was a harsh pentaly for the 2 lads.

elvis2002

140Kmh is not that fast although breaking the limit. When I am on the motorway every day of the week doing my 120, thousands of cars pass me by doing more and nobody gives a damn.

neacy69

How can people rejoice in the fact that two boy racers have been jailed for 4 months for driving dangerously when only last night another man who killed three men while driving drunk and speeding was jailed for only 3 years with 1 year taken off for time spent in remand.
How can our legal system give 4 months for dangerous driving (speeding) to these lads and then give 3 years for murdering three innocent men while dunk and speeding....doesn't make sense to me!

Stark

DonJose wrote:

Hearing from Browne's solicitor, that his parents had now restricted his use of their car and was only allowed use it to get to and from work, Judge Fahy said: "On what planet is he and his parents living?

Fahy beat me to it. I can't stand this "ah but sure he needs it for work" nonsense. There are plenty of people without cars who somehow manage to get to work. The commute is a lot less pleasant than taking your car but that's what you get for abusing the privilege.

neacy69 wrote:

How can our legal system give 4 months for dangerous driving (speeding) to these lads and then give 3 years for murdering three innocent men while dunk and speeding....doesn't make sense to me!

But he needs to get out early for work One of the big problems with the legal system in this country is that judges are effectively allowed pull sentences out of their ass. Minimum sentences should be mandatory. Of course, then there's the problem that there just isn't enough prison space for everyone.

Car Mad

elvis2002 wrote:

140Kmh is not that fast although breaking the limit. When I am on the motorway every day of the week doing my 120, thousands of cars pass me by doing more and nobody gives a damn.

Secicentos by any chance?:D
I see the headlines now chicken chaser does 90mph.Driver arrested for driving match box:p
Did they get onto The book of records that has to be a record and on an irish road too:eek:
4months in jail for driving a chicken chaser made my day A1 thread lads:cool:

DonJose

C_Breeze wrote:

I think they are just being made examples of. Sure what they did is not advocatable but I somehow think it's not as bad as its made out to be.

If you read the article, they already have prior convictions for dangerous and careless driving, now they have two convictions for dangerous/careless driving and they are still teenagers. Plus they nearly moved down two pedestrians. I think this sentence is well deserved.

DonJose

neacy69 wrote:

How can people rejoice in the fact that two boy racers have been jailed for 4 months for driving dangerously when only last night another man who killed three men while driving drunk and speeding was jailed for only 3 years with 1 year taken off for time spent in remand.

That scumbag should have been charged American style and sent to prison for life.

daveirl

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JohnCleary

Doesn't Interceptor drive a Seicento (sp?) and often frequent the Claregalway area? :eek:

craichoe

Great ... Jail ... Excellent ...

So now instead of working and earning a living for themselves, they can cost us 350 euro / day to keep them in Jail.

ffs .... just ban them from driving ! with a big fine !
Sending people to Jail who aren't an immediate danger to the public is just stupid!

I think the "almost mowing down 2 pedistrians" might have been to give weight to it.

hamsterboy

Enough already. I love my Seicento. Ok it may be small and underpowered but it has never failed to start or broken down and it can get me to Wexford from Galway and back fer €25 worth of juice. Plus my drum kit fits in it, and my kits pretty big.
Am changing soon, givin it to the GF, she loves it and can't wait to girly it up (sniff)

peasant

Yepp ...

A hefty drinving ban and a few hundred hours of community service (can you get sentenced to that in IRL at all?) cleaning roadside verges would have been better.

Ghost Train

C_Breeze wrote:

Sounds like its been blown out of proportion in an "OHHH MYY GOODDDDDD WONT SOMEBODY PLEASE THINK OF THE CHILDREN" type of manner.

I think they are just being made examples of. Sure what they did is not advocatable but I somehow think it's not as bad as its made out to be.

Seicento , 140 KMH and pedestrians whith High visibilty jackets , give me a break ... did they also have golden halo's above their heads.

Just 2 eejits acting the maggot, whats new , u see that carry on everyday but that was a harsh pentaly for the 2 lads.

I think it's right that they're made example of. Totally unacceptable type of behaviour from any driver, but young male drivers, this sort of thing that gets other people killed plus it leads to stupidly high premiums and others getting ripped off etc

A fiat doing 140, it's not that much faster than motorway speeds, so not surprised if seicento can reach that speed, although i would think maybe it's the sportier version of car or something. people walking on a national road if thats where it was, might likely wear high vis jackets if out at 11pm, would be stupid not to

honestly wouldn't mind seeing them get 10 year ban and some significant jail time, 'specially since its a second offence for one of them

witnessmenow

my ex had a fiat sci-whatever and it was the sprots model , she claimed it had a 1.2 in it(it hink it did to) so if my 1ltr can do 140kph(i presume it can , it can do 130 and its got more in it) .

jail is probably harsh enough, big driving ban would have been more appropriate in my opinion. Then again jail might scare them a bit.

Tony Danza

I penalty is well harsh just for doing 140kph, as a lot of you are saying, but considering both of them already had driving convictions for dangerous driving and what not, they clearly weren't going to get the message with another slap on the wrist, so the sentence is for a wake up call, fully deserved.

Blue850

They've also been give 2 year driving bans.

slickmcvic

Cant believe it!!....I know that guy rob!!!
Got a lift in his fiat once as well.....nice enough chap but
his car was a bit of a death trap though!!

gucci

C_Breeze wrote:

Seicento , 140 KMH and pedestrians whith High visibilty jackets , give me a break ... did they also have golden halo's above their heads.

I think you'll find that anyone out walking who wants to remain safe on roads will wear a hi-vis vest over they're jackets, its fastly becoming the norm now and no harm at all.

Fey!

That particular road, the N17, is always busy, and always has a lot of idiots on it (both the slow moving with no lights brigade and the speeders). A lot of the BRs gather in Claregalway and arse around from there.

As for the prison sentences, bring in chain gangs and let those incarcerated earn their keep. Or is that not PC enough?

gyppo

Boyracers sent to prison

Good.:)

Wossack

happy enough bout the 4 months, but only a 2 year ban? thats bs...

AntiVirus

peasant wrote:

Yepp ...

A hefty drinving ban and a few hundred hours of community service (can you get sentenced to that in IRL at all?) cleaning roadside verges would have been better.

Have to say that would have been a better idea. I think its pointless sending them to jail costing us the tax payer alot of money.

They should have to do the community service on Friday and Saturday nights only.

Lorax

This is disgraceful, if all the people grilling them have never ONCE broken the speed limit then fair enough you can talk. Thats all they did, if those 2 eejits walking in a hard shoulder weren't there the sentence would have been a lot more lenient.

More discrimination against young male drivers, I for one am SICK of it. This is basically just 4 months in jail for breaking the speed limit. I guarantee you if it was my dad, or some oul lad breaking the limit by that much, he would get off with 2 points and maybe a fine. Jail is a bit ****in much don't ya think?

Ask anyone who goes to jail, they all say you don't come out the same as you went in. It criminalises them even more. They are surrounded by more serious criminals, murderers, rapists, armed robbers, etc. They are gonna believe they belong with those kinda people in society. Learn from them, act like them. What are the statistics for people who go to jail, and then re-offend? It's very very high. In Dublin anyway. Jail is NOT a deterrent and was NOT suitable punishment for this speeding case.

A man I know knocked down and KILLED a postman in the 90's while drink driving, and got off with a suspended sentence. Didn't serve a single day in jail. These lads get 4 months for doing a little over the speed limit? Jesus 1000's and 1000's of people were doing it every day at the 60km/h m50 stretch after the toll bridge. I agree they should have been given driving bans, maybe 5 years - but to summarise my post - jail = wrong way to go about punishing them.

Stark

Lorax wrote:

I guarantee you if it was my dad, or some oul lad breaking the limit by that much, he would get off with 2 points and maybe a fine. Jail is a bit ****in much don't ya think?

There's a difference between breaking the speed limit while driving in a straight line and doing reckless speed weaving in and out of traffic and swinging into the hard shoulder with no awareness to who's actually in the hard shoulder at the time. While I agree with you that the country is plagued by bull**** lenient sentences, the lads in question didn't deserve to go unpunished.

DonJose

Lorax wrote:

if those 2 eejits walking in a hard shoulder weren't there the sentence would have been a lot more lenient.

Speaking of eejits on the hard shoulder...

Lorax wrote:

Tonight I pulled in to the hard shoulder on the n3 where the limit is 100km/h to try something ( my friend was recording my speedometer with my camera phone )

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=52718041&postcount=1

Wossack

Lorax wrote:

This is disgraceful, if all the people grilling them have never ONCE broken the speed limit then fair enough you can talk. Thats all they did, if those 2 eejits walking in a hard shoulder weren't there the sentence would have been a lot more lenient.

More discrimination against young male drivers, I for one am SICK of it. This is basically just 4 months in jail for breaking the speed limit. I guarantee you if it was my dad, or some oul lad breaking the limit by that much, he would get off with 2 points and maybe a fine. Jail is a bit ****in much don't ya think?

Ask anyone who goes to jail, they all say you don't come out the same as you went in. It criminalises them even more. They are surrounded by more serious criminals, murderers, rapists, armed robbers, etc. They are gonna believe they belong with those kinda people in society. Learn from them, act like them. What are the statistics for people who go to jail, and then re-offend? It's very very high. In Dublin anyway. Jail is NOT a deterrent and was NOT suitable punishment for this speeding case.

A man I know knocked down and KILLED a postman in the 90's while drink driving, and got off with a suspended sentence. Didn't serve a single day in jail. These lads get 4 months for doing a little over the speed limit? Jesus 1000's and 1000's of people were doing it every day at the 60km/h m50 stretch after the toll bridge. I agree they should have been given driving bans, maybe 5 years - but to summarise my post - jail = wrong way to go about punishing them.

they werent just speeding, they were racing each other (note the plural, two seperate cars) - did you read the original post? They have previous convictions also, and admitted to driving dangerously.
I dont think any of your comparisons hold any water tbh

MarkR

While I don't consider myself to be a boyracer, I do like modified cars. I'm actually driving a mirage right now, and an integra on the way from japan.

I'm glad they got prosecuted, and that they got a driving ban. I do think that a community service project rather then wasteful prison time would have been more beneficial.

There's a time and a place for driving like that, and it's on a track, not the public roads.

It wasn't just the speed, it was the erratic swerving etc that weighted the crime i'd say.

I've driven a bit around there and I always tend to see those small markers on the side of the road, with flowers and crosses. Take it handy folks!

smemon

don't know how dangerous they were driving or what the story was, but they deserved it.

simple as that. don't try and palm this off as simple 'speeding'. They both admitted to driving dangerously, so they knew rightly this was no ordinary speeding case.

Fair play to the judge - that's what we need more of. No fines or community service - jail. People need to fear the law again.. at the minute it's all about equality and human rights and all that rubbish. If you nearly kill someone or you do kill someone with a deliberate act of stupidity, you have no rights imo.

homah_7ft

About time I say. If it's one thing that will make the headlines it's jailtime. A ten year driving ban wouldn't make the papers. As for the people who killed someone on the roads getting off I think the difference here is that these guys were odds on to get someone killed or seriously injured. Better to make them change their habits now before someone dies.

mikemac

He he Don Jose, you got him there

I'm not 100% sure but a criminal conviction may stop them from ever working in Amercia or Australia.
I've no idea what the lads ever planned, but thats a serious consequence for a lot of young people.