Just got banned from Christianity forum

Tim Robbins

Just got banned from Christianity forum for questioning their views on Luke 19:27.
"But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me." KJV.
I can't even post the link in here as I can't even access the forum, and from my last look, they made sure they got the last word in.
If anything this is more evidence how some Christians just don't like some questions.
I wish you posters better luck.

rediguana

It's the bible - I don't think you're supposed to take it seriously.

Anyway, there is another poster who encountered resistance on the Vegetarian forum when he started a thread entitled "Cows Need Us To Eat Them". Sometimes people set themselves up for a fall.

Tim Robbins

rediguana wrote:

It's the bible - I don't think you're supposed to take it seriously.

I am incapable of taking the Bible seriously and like other atheists who frequent boards, I challenge those who do.

If I may just say, in this post
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=53078754#post53078754

Brian ended by saying:

"Tim you are equating Christianity with suffering. This is definite Christian bashing and you are on the verge of being banned."

This was not the case. I was actually questioning this view not advocating it.

And in this discussion:
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=53078803#post53078803

PDN ended by saying
"That means He (Jesus) did not advocate killing nor did He endorse killing people."

Well this view is not consistent with scripture. Jesus certainly advocated killing in the aforementioned quote from Luke.

Apologies for putting a Christianity forum realated thread here BTW, it's just annoying being cut off like that.

Zillah

Tim Robbins wrote:

Just got banned from Christianity forum for questioning their views on Luke 19:27.
"But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me." KJV.
I can't even post the link in here as I can't even access the forum, and from my last look, they made sure they got the last word in.
If anything this is more evidence how some Christians just don't like some questions.
I wish you posters better luck.

Were they maintaining that the quote does not advocate the destruction of one's enemies?

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

i'mm banned from xtianity too... i dont know why

just tried to get in a while ago and wasn't allowed

I think they're just scared

Zillah

Oh I've been banned for years.

Scofflaw

I think a couple of Christians have also been banned recently - part of a tougher moderation policy.

Also a couple of the newer Christian posters are more touchy about atheist interventions than has been the case, and a good deal more vocal about it too.

I admit that I can see where they're coming from - we are intervening rather a lot at the moment. There's not many threads that don't get some sort of atheist post challenging the interpretation of the Bible, or pointing out where Scripture contradicts itself.


cordially,
Scofflaw

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

well to be fair to them, they deserve it

if they didn't talk such obvious bull****, they would have people flocking into to point out their mistakes

same with the paranormal forum

'i think i'm psychic because sometimes Ithink about a tv show, then the next day I wturn on the tv and there is the show I was thinking about'

you can't make that **** up

the_syco

Mordeth wrote:

same with the paranormal forum

'i think i'm psychic because sometimes Ithink about a tv show, then the next day I wturn on the tv and there is the show I was thinking about'

you can't make that **** up

Dude, that made my day:D

=-=

OP, trolling the Christainity forum is like dead baby jokes. Everyone likes doing it, but it'll still get you banned.

Scofflaw

Mordeth wrote:

well to be fair to them, they deserve it

if they didn't talk such obvious bull****, they would have people flocking into to point out their mistakes

same with the paranormal forum

'i think i'm psychic because sometimes Ithink about a tv show, then the next day I wturn on the tv and there is the show I was thinking about'

you can't make that **** up

Hmm. I must admit I only respond from an atheist point of view if people are taking swipes at atheism or science. Otherwise, I don't have an objection to the theist stuff any more than I do to my two-year old's occasional nonsense. Er, in fact I find it almost endearing, in much the same way.

Most people are theists. That's life. There's obviously a lot in it for them, given the bizarre things they are called on to believe. If they're not actually lying, all one gets out of challenging their faith is a bad-tempered scrap.

cordially,
Scofflaw

Tim Robbins

Scofflaw wrote:

Hmm. I must admit I only respond from an atheist point of view if people are taking swipes at atheism or science. Otherwise, I don't have an objection to the theist stuff any more than I do to my two-year old's occasional nonsense. Er, in fact I find it almost endearing, in much the same way.

Most people are theists. That's life. There's obviously a lot in it for them, given the bizarre things they are called on to believe. If they're not actually lying, all one gets out of challenging their faith is a bad-tempered scrap.

cordially,
Scofflaw

They'd have a point if all I was doing was calling them names but I asking them tough questions based on their scripture. IT's bad day for the Christianity forum if when a tough question comes along they just ban the poster, shows a lot about their faith really.
Check this last post out from Jackass, ( I got the link by logging out),

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=53079586#post53079586

Jakkass

I take it Tim Robbins is satisfied with my interpretation of Luke 19:27 then, as he clearly has nothing to come back with it.

How can I come back if I barred from the forum?
There's objectivity for you: 3 (PDN, Jackass and BC) against 1 and all they can do is bar me for no good reason.
What gives the right to play....

Bobser

Go back and ask for forgiveness. Loosely quoting Homer Simpson "They have to do it, it's part of their religion. Otherwise God will punish them". And if Homer didn't say that, then maybe he should have.

Tchocky

IT's bad day for the Christianity forum if when a tough question comes along they just ban the poster, shows a lot about their faith really.

Nah, says more about the modding atmosphere and personalities. Couldn't have less to do with their faith or beliefs. You seem to be looking for a spot for a wedge

Asiaprod

Tim Robbins wrote:

How can I come back if I barred from the forum?
There's objectivity for you: 3 (PDN, Jackass and BC) against 1 and all they can do is bar me for no good reason.
What gives the right to play....

Ahem, I took the liberty:

Asiaprod wrote:

I am sure when he comes back from vacation he will have something to say:)

By the way, It would be uncharacteristic for Brian not to give a reason for a ban.

Fallen Seraph

Frankly I must say that it's a farce you were banned in that thread. I'll not say that things weren't being stirred up, but PDN, Jakkass and Brian were behaving AT LEAST as badly. What asshattery.

Tim Robbins

Asiaprod wrote:

Ahem, I took the liberty:

Thanks for pointing that out. Perhaps you could explain why?
Where did I break the charter?

By the way, It would be uncharacteristic for Brian not to give a reason for a ban.

Well that's good to hear.

As far as I am concerned all I was asking was a tough question, the scripture does say that, I didn't make it up.

Mr. Presentable

Mordeth wrote:

you can't make that **** up

Actually, you can. And some nice folk are making a lot of money out of it - have been for a couple of thousand years

raido9

In fairness Tim, you were there for one reason only, and that was to stir **** with christians. I don't think they were at all out of line in banning you as you're really not going to add anything productive to that forum at all.

Can someone please explain to me what alot of atheists (not just on this forum) get out of trying to knock someone else's beliefs. If they're not affecting you directly why not just let them believe in their stories if it keeps them happy.

biko

raido9 wrote:

Can someone please explain to me what alot of atheists (not just on this forum) get out of trying to knock someone else's beliefs. If they're not affecting you directly why not just let them believe in their stories if it keeps them happy.

Yeah, I've seen this happen a few times. I'm atheist too but don't go spoiling for a fight with the believers.

CerebralCortex

raido9 wrote:

In fairness Tim, you were there for one reason only, and that was to stir **** with christians. I don't think they were at all out of line in banning you as you're really not going to add anything productive to that forum at all.

Can someone please explain to me what alot of atheists (not just on this forum) get out of trying to knock someone else's beliefs. If they're not affecting you directly why not just let them believe in their stories if it keeps them happy.

Yes. I'm not a believer in any organised religion so atheist/agnostic views don't challenge/bother me but the people on this forum are so smug.
It makes me laugh

Asiaprod

Tim Robbins wrote:

Thanks for pointing that out. Perhaps you could explain why?
Where did I break the charter?

That one is between you and Brian. I did not ban you, he is the mod of the forum and he does not reach for the ban button easily. I would suspect you were seen as being too aggressive, or you might have been attacking their God a little too hard.

Tim Robbins wrote:

As far as I am concerned all I was asking was a tough question, the scripture does say that, I didn't make it up.

You are aware that the same scripture can have many interpretations:).

I don't think the question was a problem, possibly the way you asked might have been. If you believe that the ban was wrong PM him. If after that you still do not agree and feel it was unfair feel free to PM me.

Tim Robbins

Asiaprod wrote:

That one is between you and Brian.

Sorry I'm a bit confused, it sounded like it was you who banned me when you said:
'Ahem, I took the liberty:'

As for
raido9

Can someone please explain to me what alot of atheists (not just on this forum) get out of trying to knock someone else's beliefs. If they're not affecting you directly why not just let them believe in their stories if it keeps them happy.

People can believe in harry the hoover cleaner for all I am care.
However, I, you or anybody should be allowed to challenge, or debate any belief system. That includes my own. I would encourage that. There are some extremly violent passages in the Bible, both NT and OT. Violence is clearly advocated by Jesus / God in the scripture. I am interested how they as scripture based Christians reconcile the dichotomy of vengeful violence with the happy uplifting parts? Do they just ignore those parts of scripture, or have some rationalisation for them?

raido9

Tim Robbins wrote:

People can believe in harry the hoover cleaner for all I am care.
However, I, you or anybody should be allowed to challenge, or debate any belief system. That includes my own. I would encourage that. There are some extremly violent passages in the Bible, both NT and OT. Violence is clearly advocated by Jesus / God in the scripture. I am interested how they as scripture based Christians reconcile the dichotomy of vengeful violence with the happy uplifting parts? Do they just ignore those parts of scripture, or have some rationalisation for them?

But what exactly do you get out of challenging their belief system? Would the time not be better spent developing your own? And you weren't exactly debating, more attacking their faith in my opinion.

There's plenty of violence in the bible, but this is a book written thousands of years ago. I doubt that any of the christians that you are "debating" with are performing similar acts of violence today.

There's no doubt that the bible is full of inconsistencies,but this is an old trick and your attacking an easy target.

If you dont believe me google "inconsistencies" and see what pops up

r3nu4l

Guys, if this forum was full of Christians slagging you off for not believing and constatntly criticising you all you wouldn't like it.

Are you so unsure of your lack of belief that you feel you have to knock the belief of others? I doubt it, so why do you constantly attack

Protelysing (attempts to convert someone to a religion) is banned on most religious fora on boards.ie, likewise I feel that it should be a bannable offence to attempt to convince Christians that they are wrong and should be athiests.

How many of you post on the Muslim forum taking quotes from the Qu'ran and aggressively asking them to defend their faith. It's a bannable offence there but some of you guys seem more interested in calling the Christians fools, than calling the Muslims fools, why is that?

Btw, I'm not really bothered about this, I'm just making an observation tbh and asking you guys some questions, not attacking you.

Tim Robbins

raido9 wrote:

But what exactly do you get out of challenging their belief system?

Good question. Answer:
1. I enjoy a debate so do many people on boards.
2. By challenging their beliefs, I am challenging my own, if they come out with an argument I can't refute well then I've learnt something.
3. I don't like living in a bubbles, I don't think they are stimulating or healthy or interesting.
I like to find people who have different views to me and exchange views
I am hoping the can challenge my way of thinking.

I would like to see more debates between people of all faiths, in real life, I think it's healthy.

Would the time not be better spent developing your own? And you weren't exactly debating, more attacking their faith in my opinion.

See above.

There's plenty of violence in the bible, but this is a book written thousands of years ago. I doubt that any of the christians that you are "debating" with are performing similar acts of violence today.

That doesn't excuse it. Neither the Buddah nor Socrates advocated any violence (at least I can't find a reference to any) in their ancient literature.
Christians like to think the violence is part of the Old Testament not the New Testament - they claim the NT contains an accurate historical account of Jesus and sometimes they go on to claim the moral high ground. Well if the scripture is accurate then they must accept the fact that the scripture states that Jesus did advocate killing and murder in Luke 19:27, or else they must refine their opinion that not all of the canonical Gospels are accurate in their depiction of Jesus.

R3nu4l, I think the problem with the Christian forum is that it contains some extreme fundamentalist Christians who really don't like any part of scripture or their faith being challenged. If I was name calling or arguing without evidence you would have a good point, but I wasn't it, I challenged their view using their evidence i.e. their scripture. I am not trying to convert anybody to atheism, as I said believe in Harry the hoover if you want, but let's not be afraid to exchange views and live in respective bubbles.

Asiaprod

Tim Robbins wrote:

Sorry I'm a bit confused, it sounded like it was you who banned me when you said:

What:eek:, me, I am as gentle as a lamb (ooops wrong animal). No, I took the liberty of informing Jackass that you could not answer due to a technical glitch. Matter of fact, I have only ever banned 1 person, and he was not an Atheist:), but seemed to like AK47s a lot.

r3nu4l

Without getting into it too much Tim, isn't that verse you quote actually Jesus telling a parable of the King who gives money to three servants to see what they did with it and who could be trusted with mo' money?

I don't have the whole text in front of me (why would I?) but if that's the case then it wasn't Jesus advocating killing at all really.

The problem with lifting quotes from the Bible is that in any big book, you can always lift something and interpret it to suit your own agenda. I'm sure the Christian churches do this but athiests do it a lot too.

Anyway, I see nobody answered my questions...

raido9

Tim Robbins wrote:

So what, neither the Buddah nor Socrates advocated any violence (at least I can't find a reference to any) in their ancient literature.
Christians like to think the violence is part of the Old Testament not the New Testament - they claim the NT contains an accurate historical account of Jesus. Well if it is accurate then they must accept the fact that the scripture states that he did advocate killing and murder in Luke 19:27, or else they must refine their opinion that not all of the canonical Gospels are accurate in their depiction of Jesus.

To be honest, I couldn't give a toss what it says in the bible. For me its more important what people do rather than which faith they subscribe to and what they believe. And I dont see any of these good christians 'bringing forth Gods enemies and slaying them before him'. Fair enough its in the bible but the people reading it have a bit of common sense not to follow it literally.

I think you'd have more success if you challenge their views on a particular subject, rather than taking one line out a whole book and challenging that. One the whole, the bible teaches people to be moral and good. If you think otherwise I'm sure there will be people interested in argueing that. But please dont take one line out of their and use it for your whole arguement.

Tim Robbins

Asiaprod wrote:

What:eek:, me, I am as gentle as a lamb (ooops wrong animal). No, I took the liberty of informing Jackass that you could not answer due to a technical glitch. Matter of fact, I have only ever banned 1 person, and he was not an Atheist:), but seemed to like AK47s a lot.

Asiaprod as a moderator, do you think I should I have been banned? actually I would be interested in other people's opinions on this. I see this as a threat to free speech and critical thinking. It should at least be stated in those threads, that I have been banned and why. Maybe they should include links in the charter to examples of where people got banned, so it is clear what is acceptable and what is not.

Crucifix

raido9 wrote:

To be honest, I couldn't give a toss what it says in the bible. For me its more important what people do rather than which faith they subscribe to and what they believe. And I dont see any of these good christians 'bringing forth Gods enemies and slaying them before him'. Fair enough its in the bible but the people reading it have a bit of common sense not to follow it literally.

I think you'd have more success if you challenge their views on a particular subject, rather than taking one line out a whole book and challenging that. One the whole, the bible teaches people to be moral and good. If you think otherwise I'm sure there will be people interested in argueing that. But please dont take one line out of their and use it for your whole arguement.

I think non-christians find it interesting that parts of the bible can be taken to be divine word of God, and parts of it are just rubbish. How to decide which is which? I agree about common sense of course, but I have to wonder why not abandon the text and just use common sense...

Woah, sorry getting off topic there.

InFront

r3nu4l wrote:

How many of you post on the Muslim forum taking quotes from the Qu'ran and aggressively asking them to defend their faith. It's a bannable offence there but some of you guys seem more interested in calling the Christians fools, than calling the Muslims fools, why is that?

Actually, I've noticed that too. Most atheists are perfectly polite and get on fine in Islam, and then you read their posts in Christianity and it's a whole other story.
I would have thought if you were an atheist who feels that God is a myth, surely you'd find both religions ultimately as daft as one another. So why do Christians get it hardest? I don't know, but at a guess I'd say that some people just harbour a grudge against them.
Threads like this just make everyone look like a bunch of isolated playground groups looking over and bitching about one another.