Feminine males

fuinneamh

Recently found out one of my good friends has taken to wearing make up on nights out. The new craze of some of my friends using hair straighteners was one thing, but in my opinion this is ripping the piss. i think it might have soemthing to do with the face our country become so rich that males are now obsessed with vanity as theres nothing else to chalenge them. i don't know really but for some reason it worries me.

KTRIC

fuinneamh wrote:

Recently found out one of my good friends has taken to wearing make up on nights out. The new craze of some of my friends using hair straighteners was one thing, but in my opinion this is ripping the piss. i think it might have soemthing to do with the face our country become so rich that males are now obsessed with vanity as theres nothing else to chalenge them. i don't know really but for some reason it worries me.

Personally I'd question the sexuality of your friends if they are using makeup and hair straighteners.

LookingFor

Define makeup..are we talking about something to conceal a blemish, or eye-shadow and lipstick?

I have a very straight friend who uses a hair straightener. His excuse is that he likes girls who are very 'made up' and that they appreciate the same in a guy (or at least a guy who makes the effort ).

I don't know about attributing this to sexuality, though. Go into any gay bar on a saturday night and you'll likely only see a couple of guys wearing any sort of makeup. Most gay men are quite obsessed with 'looking straight', it seems to me.

fuinneamh

KTRIC wrote:

Personally I'd question the sexuality of your friends if they are using makeup and hair straighteners.

they've a girlfriend or previously had one

LookingFor wrote:

Define makeup..are we talking about something to conceal a blemish, or eye-shadow and lipstick?

Was wearing the former, nothing as obvious as lipstick but then he might on other occasions

alleepally

There's loads of products on 4men.ie for Skin Correction - anti shine powder, concealer etc etc. Don't see anything wrong with stuff like that. That's not being feminine, just wanting to look good.

Unpossible

maybe david bowie is making a come back

LookingFor

fuinneamh wrote:

Was wearing the former, nothing as obvious as lipstick but then he might on other occasions

Hahaha, well if it's just that.. Sure, it's a step up from moisturiser or the like, but there seems to be an increasing market for male-targetted concealers, and I doubt it's just a pink market at all. I wouldn't use one myself, just get your skin in order if you can and you won't need that stuff. But vanity is not limited to girls..some of the vainest people I know by far are straight guys, and this type of stuff is just another manifestation.

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

if idiot men want to waste as much money on this crap as idiot women, who cares

alleepally

Mordeth wrote:

if idiot men want to waste as much money on this crap as idiot women, who cares

I don't think the male market will ever reach the proportion of the female market so don't worry your natural little head about it

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

I don't know about that... it's a slippery slope

WindSock

I quite like eye make up on men. When some indian men wear kohl around their eyes I think it looks sexy. Foundation a big no-no. Women here don't know how to use it properly, I doubt very much men would either. Imagine a bunch of orange faced tangoed men around the place. :eek:

the_syco

Is the dude a goth? Does he wear black clothes? Some male goths like to wear black make-up (sure there's a better word for it, but meh) on their face. Go figure.

Bottle_of_Smoke

alleepally wrote:

There's loads of products on 4men.ie for Skin Correction - anti shine powder, concealer etc etc. Don't see anything wrong with stuff like that. That's not being feminine, just wanting to look good.

this is what i was afraid of.

Nivea are advertising fake tan on TV for men... ON TV!

5 years ago this would have been unthinkable.

Eyeliner can be cool though/

Zillah

Oh pish. Lots of cultures throughout history have seen it as perfectly normal for either sex to wear make-up. There's nothing inherently gay/female about trying to look good.

How is it actually different to using hair gel/wearing jewellry/nice clothes? They're all artifical ways of trying to improve your appearance.

simu

boreds wrote:

Imagine a bunch of orange faced tangoed men around the place. :eek:

It will happen. lol

They repackage all the women's stuff in high tech-looking stuff, make some macho ads and watch sales take off...

WindSock

^^exactly Zillah.

And in many cultures, it's only the men that are allowed wear thefancy clothes, make up, paint, feathers, jewellery. Many tribes of Papua New Guinea for example. The women dont look half as fancy as the men. ( I guess they don't need to)

WindSock

simu wrote:

It will happen. lol

They repackage all the women's stuff in high tech-looking stuff, make some macho ads and watch sales take off...

I can see it now. The men will be having manly competitions to see who can get the most orangest, streakiest face.

connundrum

Zillah wrote:

How is it actually different to using hair gel/wearing jewellry/nice clothes? They're all artifical ways of trying to improve your appearance.

Not perceived as teh ghey.

Unpossible wrote:

maybe david bowie is making a come back

Perceived as teh ghey.

JohnCleary

Sounds pretty bent to me. I know lot's of lads who doll up their hair etc... personally I prefer to be getting greasy under an engine on the weekend (And the GF loves the 'manliness' of it all), but each to their own

upmeath

I've an alpha-type classmate in college who has medium-length hair and insists on straightening it, he just likes to maintain a somewhat "indie/trendy" look, but nothing gay about it.
Lipstick would deeply worry me, even guys who use vaseline or lip balm worry me.
Fake tan/sunbedding, you're just asking to be laughed at.

Zillah

connundrum wrote:

Not perceived as teh ghey.

Right, so they're not being feminine, they're being seen as feminine. So really its societies failure in thinking that there is something inherently female about make up.

Bottle_of_Smoke

upmeath wrote:

Lipstick would deeply worry me, even guys who use vaseline or lip balm worry me.

yeah having sore lips is so much better

Unpossible

upmeath wrote:

even guys who use vaseline or lip balm worry me.

The cold up here can rip your lips up real bad without lip baslm.

JIZZLORD

Unpossible wrote:

The cold up here can rip your lips up real bad without lip baslm.

i'm not going to go on a "i dont use lip balm or vaseline" rant, but i've always found that licking them every now and again does the trick.

Now i generally couldnt care much about my appearence, as a student it's perfectly acceptable to go out wearing what you've been wearing all day, i also havent shaved in a forthnight, not because i'm growing anything, i just dont have the time with exams, i also have about a years worth of scruffy hair calling out for a haircut, but time, laziness and fondness stop me from touching it apart from brushing it at work.

To say that i dont care about my apearence would be a lie, for a recent wedding i scrubbed up quite well, and for work i'd always have a clean ironed shirt, polished shoes and brushed hair, it's just a case that i'm usually lazy in regards to my appearence, but that's who i am. Some girls say that i should really get a haircut, while others say i should kep growing it. I dont take anything to heart, one of my friends blurted out loudly "god your hair looks horrible" when she first seen me with a pony tail, but everyone else was quick to tell her off. In general i make the effort when it's required but i be myself the rest of the time.

Sangre

The only men who don't wear make-up are the homophobic closet homosexuals.

Jigsaw

I believe the term is "metrosexual", when a guy becomes all Beckham and takes a serious concern in his appearance. I do not believe this is at all gay. I pluck my eyebrows because I get mad long hairs there sometimes. I like to get my hair highlighted occasionally and although I have not done it I would have no problem moisturising. I am a heterosexual chap and I think that is grand. HOWEVER, wearing actual make up in the lady sense of the word, you'd actually have to be a goth or else of questionable sexuality imo. I believe that there is nothing wrong with a guy trying to look good, but there are certain boundaries. A man ought to be a man.

A bit of concealer if you have a mad spot is perfectly acceptable.

Kintarō Hattori

Jigsaw wrote:

I pluck my eyebrows, I like to get my hair highlighted occasionally, I would have no problem moisturising. A bit of concealer if you have a mad spot is perfectly acceptable. A man ought to be a man.

Heh Heh Heh.

SimpleSam06

upmeath wrote:

Lipstick would deeply worry me, even guys who use vaseline or lip balm worry me.

Why would that worry you? Are you afraid you'll catch teh ghey as it wafts around them? In Japanese culture, a large amount of the training for a samurai was poetry, and they weren't averse to a dollop of makeup (which would deeply worry you), and the kamikaze pilots all wrote haiku poems before they went to their deaths. You can go ahead and call them pussies if you like.

Of course in today's "lad" culture such things are the mark of the "poof", and the only thing that makes a man manly is how much beer he can swill. Bunch of closet cases, sitting around circle jerking while watching a couple of dozen lads in loose shorts knocking a ball around on telly. Bah.

Kintarō Hattori

SimpleSam06 wrote:

Of course in today's "lad" culture such things are the mark of the "poof", and the only thing that makes a man manly is how much beer he can swill. Bunch of closet cases, sitting around circle jerking while watching a couple of dozen lads in loose shorts knocking a ball around on telly. Bah.

Not true at all. Not all -->men<-- are into sports. Such a generic throwback on your part.

SimpleSam06

eo980 wrote:

Not true at all. Not all -->men<-- are into sports. Such a generic throwback on your part.

Lets try a spot of reading comprehension here...

Of course in today's "lad" culture... the only thing that makes a man manly is how much beer he can swill... circle jerking while watching a couple of dozen lads in loose shorts knocking a ball around on telly.

I wasn't referring to all men, just the partakers in the media inspired "lad" culture. Which is a lot of men.

stovelid

upmeath wrote:

Lipstick would deeply worry me, even guys who use vaseline or lip balm worry me..

Being deeply worried about this kind of stuff would deeply worry me.

I don't think I could carry off make up myself but admire men who try to look good /different.

sunzz

I see nothing wrong with using a hair straightener, But make up in the sense of foundation / lipstick / eye shadow is just a tad weird unless you are a goth, I mean no offence but any man that takes care of his body, eats healthy, goes to the gym twice a week and drinks plenty of water wont have a spot in sight.

So Glad

I'd tend to think only Emos would use hair straighteners, for the whole fringe across the face looking miserable thing. But men wearing make-up........honestly.....kill yourself.

Sleepy

I'd find it hard to trust a man wearing foundation/lipstick tbh.

Just don't see the point. Most Irish girls can't use make-up, why do these lads suddenly think they're going to be able to manage it!?

AnonoBoy

If only I had enough hair to use a hair straightener.

Also licking your lips does not have the same effect as lip balm - I need to use it otherwise my lips end up cracking and bleeding. Yeah you heard me - ****in' bleeding - nasty.

muppetkiller

I think the problem here is why do any of you care about other mens appearance ? Normally when I'm out I spot women ...but I guess whatever your into..:D

Dragan

boreds wrote:

^^exactly Zillah.

And in many cultures, it's only the men that are allowed wear thefancy clothes, make up, paint, feathers, jewellery. Many tribes of Papua New Guinea for example. The women dont look half as fancy as the men. ( I guess they don't need to)

Fair balls to them but that not our culture.

potty pete

fuinneamh wrote:

Recently found out one of my good friends has taken to wearing make up on nights out. The new craze of some of my friends using hair straighteners was one thing, but in my opinion this is ripping the piss. i think it might have soemthing to do with the face our country become so rich that males are now obsessed with vanity as theres nothing else to chalenge them. i don't know really but for some reason it worries me.

Nothing wrong with eyeliner. Looks good. Richie Edwards, Julian Casablancas, Pete Doherty, Brandon Flowers. Very 'cool' fellas have been into that look. Nothing wrong with it. I do, however, think going down the clown road, complete with a lipstick and whatnot is taking it a tad too far, but who really cares. That said, Robert Smith always looked great with badly daubed lipstick etc. Absolutely nothing wrong with a quick hair straighen too. Once again, people do abuse it. The overly matted look from a straightener just looks bad. Can't go wrong with a moderate straighten and a bit of product to sort it all out.

daveirl

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kenzie

SimpleSam06 wrote:

the kamikaze pilots all wrote haiku poems before they went to their deaths. You can go ahead and call them pussies if you like.

Writing poetry is a bit different than wearing makeup!

Eyeliner on people like like Brandon Flowers looks damn good.

WindSock

Dragan wrote:

Fair balls to them but that not our culture.

When Irish Men were at their Manliest, they were running around in (blue) make-up and skirts

WetDaddy

Hmmm... I'm not sure how many ladies are posting on this thread, but, assuming for the moment we're talking about straight men wearing make-up, isn't the point really whether women find these made-up men *more* attractive?

If the fellas who choose to wear make-up do it because they've a better chance of attracting attention from the kind of girls they want to be with, then more power to them. I think it's just a preference thing, and it has nothing to do with femininity or anything of that ilk. For example, there's been miles and miles of threads with titles such as "Ladies: Hairy Chests or Baby Smooth?" and you'll find some people like (a) and some people like (b).

What I don't understand is why this would bother *other* guys, e.g.

I am a heterosexual chap and I think that is grand. HOWEVER, wearing actual make up in the lady sense of the word, you'd actually have to be a goth or else of questionable sexuality imo.... A bit of concealer if you have a mad spot is perfectly acceptable.

So, you want a definitive line then. But where do you draw it? Wearing concealer isn't "wearing actual make-up in the lady sense of the word"?

Oh, and for the record, licking your lips will actually make them *more* dry, due to the fact that saliva dries out so quickly. So, the solution is either strawberry scented lip-balm or keep shovelling the Bulmer's into you...

humanji

fuinneamh wrote:

they've a girlfriend or previously had one

Well Michael Barrymore had a wife and a clean pool.

Things change.

WindSock

Being a cross does not make you Gay. Sometimes men like to dress in dresses and knickers. Each to their own.
I like eyeliner on Men, not only because it looks sexy, but because it shows that they are not too scared to conform to Irish societies views on what Men should and shouldnt do (Emos excluded, they only do it to conform with their ''non-conformist'' group)

patrickolee

Seems to be a fair bit of confusion about gayness, straightness, being effeminate and vainty. I know plenty of effemniate straight guys, butch gays and vain people from both groups. None of these traits are inclusive or exclusive of each other. Each to their own.

phantom_lord

Sounds pretty bent to me.

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055041672

I believe the term is "metrosexual", when a guy becomes all Beckham and takes a serious concern in his appearance. I do not believe this is at all gay. I pluck my eyebrows because I get mad long hairs there sometimes. I like to get my hair highlighted occasionally and although I have not done it I would have no problem moisturising. I am a heterosexual chap and I think that is grand. HOWEVER, wearing actual make up in the lady sense of the word, you'd actually have to be a goth or else of questionable sexuality imo. I believe that there is nothing wrong with a guy trying to look good, but there are certain boundaries. A man ought to be a man.

A bit of concealer if you have a mad spot is perfectly acceptable.

gay.

i'm not going to go on a "i dont use lip balm or vaseline" rant, but i've always found that licking them every now and again does the trick.

Now i generally couldnt care much about my appearence, as a student it's perfectly acceptable to go out wearing what you've been wearing all day, i also havent shaved in a forthnight, not because i'm growing anything, i just dont have the time with exams, i also have about a years worth of scruffy hair calling out for a haircut, but time, laziness and fondness stop me from touching it apart from brushing it at work..

there's a man.

Sleepy

potty pete wrote:

Richie Edwards, Julian Casablancas, Pete Doherty, Brandon Flowers.

So because four of the most over-hyped, god-awful musicicans (with the possible exception of Flowers who's still over-hyped) wear make-up while on-stage the rest of us should do it too? :rolleyes:

Screw it, pass the pink mini-skirt, Freddie Mercury wore one and at least he was cool...

Tar.Aldarion

Now now ladies. Holster the handbags.

Crucifix

I don't like it.
As an unattractive, lazy man, I fear male make up becoming an acceptable norm. At the moment there's nothing to do about my appearance, except accept it (which I have). But if everyone starts wearing make up I'll have gone from unfortunately ugly to "doesn't care/make an effort". On top of that, other men will be dolling themselves up, making me look even worse by comparison. Awful!
However, all this depends on the axiom that make up actually makes people look better. Phew, close call!

slipss

SimpleSam06 wrote:

Why would that worry you? Are you afraid you'll catch teh ghey as it wafts around them? In Japanese culture, a large amount of the training for a samurai was poetry, and they weren't averse to a dollop of makeup

Ehhh, wasn't it also common place for samurai to engage in homosexual relationships with their younger apprentices, "shudo" they called it. I'm just saying is all.