mtt sb jamit ?

nicnicnic

sb 30k bb60k

folded to sb 650k behind bb has double that
hand 22

prize increments are substantial

auto push ?

HiCloy

Yes for sure with those blinds and congrats great result

califano

Yeah i think thats fine Nicky. Bit surprised he called with that. He didnt need to but he's 'The Wolf'. No regrets i'd have.

delanec8

Yeah especially considering antes. Ya did nothing wrong here! WP btw

dvdfan

nicnicnic wrote:

sb 30k bb60k

folded to sb 650k behind bb has double that
hand 22

prize increments are substantial

auto push ?

Whats your image and whats the BB like is he tight, is there alot of stealing going on, have you been stealing alot??

Flushdraw

nicnicnic wrote:

sb 30k bb60k

folded to sb 650k behind bb has double that
hand 22

prize increments are substantial

auto push ?

Was this the €5 rebuy on stars?

dvdfan

Flushdraw wrote:

Was this the €5 rebuy on stars?

lol, just seen the hand played

poorbarman

dvdfan wrote:

Whats your image and whats the BB like is he tight, is there alot of stealing going on, have you been stealing alot??

BB VERY tight.......will fold everything but AA possibly KK:D

connie147

Dunno about the rest of them Nicky,but I'd have made the same play.Although you knew when you pushed that if anyone was gonna call, it was gonna be Dewoulfe.You took a chance to increase your stack or possibly doubling up. Id say its pretty standard push in that position.

RoundTower

I thought you were cleaning up in SNGs, I don't really understand how this is possible if you don't know questions like this.

Mellor

at the time i'd i've said ship it,
after seeing a few more hands played he is calling alot of hands in this spot
you were only ever racing at best if called, but I still think your folding equity makes this a shove. Unlucky

Captain Tom

RoundTower wrote:

I thought you were cleaning up in SNGs, I don't really understand how this is possible if you don't know questions like this.

nicnicnic wrote:

prize increments are substantial

does this not complicate the situation?how many times can hero(who plays poker for a living) realistically expect to be playing for such huge amounts of money again(no offence nic:))?

nicnicnic

RoundTower wrote:

I thought you were cleaning up in SNGs, I don't really understand how this is possible if you don't know questions like this.

well i wouldn't ever say I cleaned up at the things more like steady income but i was just being Rhetorical with the question tbh and probably shouldn't of posted it.

Mellor

Its only a case of TESG (tourney exit second guessing) syndrome

a147pro

Whats the verdict on the call? Is De Woolfe always like that or was it just cos the structure made it a push fest?

WP Nic

Flushdraw

nicnicnic wrote:

well i wouldn't ever say I cleaned up at the things more like steady income but i was just being Rhetorical with the question tbh and probably shouldn't of posted it.

Was it the 1st hand of the FT like they said in commentary?

Picking up 110k there adds a lot to your stack so nothing wrong with the jam there. Unlucky to lose the raise

Solksjaer

nicnicnic wrote:

well i wouldn't ever say I cleaned up at the things more like steady income but i was just being Rhetorical with the question tbh and probably shouldn't of posted it.

great performance, very entertaining at times, I thought the post was tongue in cheek myself, why not after all those hours. Brave push with 22 but I'd haev prefered if you asked these experts what they would have done with ZERO cards, now that hand gve me a lttle sneezy laugh. Where do you buy the jocks to carry them apples?

hope i got the right plyer.....semi delerious with drugs......

SpermManJelly

RoundTower wrote:

I thought you were cleaning up in SNGs, I don't really understand how this is possible if you don't know questions like this.

I thought your posts were good but I don't think they are anymore with a post like that.

Sperm Man Jelly.

nicnicnic

Flushdraw wrote:

Was it the 1st hand of the FT like they said in commentary?

Picking up 110k there adds a lot to your stack so nothing wrong with the jam there. Unlucky to lose the raise

we had been on that table since the previous night and about i think 4 hours today until it dropped to six we dropped one player last night. it was supposed to be two but play stopped about 2.30 am because of technical difficulties. I'm convinced that if it didn't finish when it did de wolfe would of been the next out he was just gone. the fox had just taken 1/3 of his stack and showed a bluff the guy just seemed spent at the time and was only to happy to get out of there.

The tv people decided six is what constitutes a final table in there minds so that's where there coverage started . I had raised him from the button three times in the previous four orbits (the guy in between knocked out). Two be honest i was happy enough to take the race

nicnicnic

Solksjaer wrote:

great performance, very entertaining at times, I thought the post was tongue in cheek myself, why not after all those hours. Brave push with 22 but I'd haev prefered if you asked these experts what they would have done with ZERO cards, now that hand gve me a lttle sneezy laugh. Where do you buy the jocks to carry them apples?

hope i got the right plyer.....semi delerious with drugs......

can i have some. yeh the air hand was a good one I'd say might stick it up tommorow and ty

Flushdraw

nicnicnic wrote:

we had been on that table since the previous night and about i think 4 hours today until it dropped to six we dropped one player last night. it was supposed to be two but play stopped about 2.30 am because of technical difficulties. I'm convinced that if it didn't finish when it did de wolfe would of been the next out he was just gone. the fox had just taken 1/3 of his stack and showed a bluff the guy just seemed spent at the time and was only to happy to get out of there.

The tv people decided six is what constitutes a final table in there minds so that's where there coverage started . I had raised him from the button three times in the previous four orbits (the guy in between knocked out). Two be honest i was happy enough to take the race

Goddamn technical difficulties! It would have been nice if the momentum was against him and you could have carried on playing. Sh!t happens unfortunately. Still i dont think you'll be too unhappy with the outcome in a few days. WP again Nicky

FungiWalsh

Just want to say WP Nicky, I was rooting for ya while I was following the coverage since Day One. Noticed that yerself and Ken Corkery were at the same table on the first day.

58o

Yeah WP nicky. I'm sure even though you won a big chunk of change your still feelin gutted at the mo that you couldnt get the win but i'm sure it will wear off when you see your next bank statemen! Nice one

nicnicnic

Flushdraw wrote:

Goddamn technical difficulties! It would have been nice if the momentum was against him and you could have carried on playing. Sh!t happens unfortunately. Still i dont think you'll be too unhappy with the outcome in a few days. WP again Nicky

ta Tony and I went and doubled the fcuker through the second hand today:mad: mixed emontions realy.

cheers fungi yeh Ken ran pretty well for a while all right

and 58o

ianmc38

Yeah well done Nicky, had the fingers crossed for you as well. Great result!

I think this hand is an autopush.

LuckyLloyd

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nicnicnic

UnLuckyLloyd wrote:

Absolute auto - push Nicky. I can't think of a way to say "well done" that is more meaningful at this time than that which has been said above. The bottom line is that you should be proud of what you have achieved and be looking forward to the future.

Dave Murray's short and caustic posts are beginning to grind my gears of late. Please **** off to 2 + 2 and stay there if you have nothing constructive or pleasant to add to this forum.

cheers Lloyd app it. To be fair to Dave what he said is right maybe he could of put it a bit differently but i certainly didn't take offence.

DapperGent

UnLuckyLloyd wrote:

Dave Murray's short and caustic posts are beginning to grind my gears of late. Please **** off to 2 + 2 and stay there if you have nothing constructive or pleasant to add to this forum.

Yeah I couldn't agree more we definately need more stuff from the quote and post "." school. That and more puke inducing sycophancy.

Hectorjelly

yeah less poker theory and more QFT's and FTWs please!


And well done Nic, by the way.

Solksjaer

DapperGent wrote:

That and more puke inducing sycophancy.

Apart from the lads who done well in the IO ( who deserve a little sycopnactic wide eyed hero worship for their performances) I do agree on this.

I'm not sure what 'FTW' means either..(I.H.A myself) but the poker theory is good here (well it makes you (re)think) plus some of the links to the 2+ 2 site threads are excellent.

I also think a 'class' player/person will always reveal themselves in their posts/play and vice versa.......

For younger players watching I hope they mimic the behaviour of the lads in IO (apart from one notable) rather than the idiotic behaviour seen at the American jock infested WSOP.

MY 2 cents.....

bops

sick!!

wp nicky and fox


i decided to dodge boards etc yesterday and hold out and watch it on the telly last night...i knew you (and fox) had a great chance.

the push with 22 is 100% correct

i'm just wondering is the call there with Q7+ the correct move??

my first thought was "he's not gonna call with that!!", but when i thought about it i started leaning towards "correct call" - maybe results orientainted thinking!!

...still sick tho

as for fox - it just makes you wonder why we play this game - i think i'll go off and retire with mr pillow cry baby

anyways :mad: :eek: :rolleyes:

LuckyLloyd

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Ollieboy

The push is fine, you would rather if his calling range was a lot tighter, to be honest, its a terrible call by him, what can he be beaten with A4 and with the jump in prize money, he should wait for better opportunitys.

Wolf is used to playing top class final tables and really should have had a edge here, he should be playing flops or waiting for the right hand, if it was a 200 game or something I could understand the call, but not for 1/2 your stack with nothing and still only 60/40 at best. If he had turn over 88 or something I would have respect his call, but not A4.

I think a raise here for 1/2 your stack might have got through better, but thats hindsight, as the push does look more weaker, but we'll never know.

I have to say, I've very little respect for the Wolf's game, I played with a mate of his in Cardiff a few weeks ago and the same style, always putting the pressure on, easy to catch him out if you can get a bloody hand against him. I thought he kept asking Morsel for his oppion etc, like he crave the respect of other players who he respect.

Finally, wp Nicky I thought if that hand held up you were on your way to the title.

LuckyLloyd

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sikes

without knowing the table layout, chip counts and blinds its difficult to comment on DeWolfs call but if nic has been push happy, he should expect him to be pushing a big range here, which he is prob a coin flip against.

hf4z6sqo7vjngi

nicky well done, correct push in my mind which would normally get through an A4 without being called but it is Dewolf after all, we spoke briefly before the start of this and you had it clear in your mind you where not going to get pushed around or blinded off. Wp mate you should be very proud of your 4 days work...ps i think it was 5% we agreed....correct?:p

Fran

mewso

DapperGent wrote:

Yeah I couldn't agree more we definately need more stuff from the quote and post "." school. That and more puke inducing sycophancy.

I will indulge in some sycophancy and say well done Nicky. Much as I would also love to see the ".", FTW etc. never used again it's never going to happen.

The Istanbul

Nic

Well done to you and Fox: absolutely brilliant performances and very unlucky that one of you didn't take it down (I was hoping if you took it that I could say I knocked the IO champion out of the last tourney he played before this:D ).

A separate question from following the weekend-do people think A-rags were being overvalued? It seemed to me that lots of calls and OOP raises were being made with weak aces? What you think as a victim of A4?

Ollieboy

UnLuckyLloyd wrote:

Surely the structure dictated that, just as Nicky would have pushed quite light, De Wolf was forced to call quite light? I mean, once Nicky doesn't have AA Dewolf has at least a 30% chance of winning the hand. But Nicky's range surely includes a lot of Kx and connector type of hands that Ace high is ahead of?

Out of interest Nicky, what was the absolute minimum for you to push with for 10BBs in this position?

Not totally sure what the average chip stack was at this stage, but listing to Parkinson on the telly last nite, I think calling with A4 is terrible, he's a WPT and a EPT winner, his range should be a lot tight, I dont know if he felt he was getting the correct odds for a 60/40 race or something, but Nicky could have any pair here or a big Ace, I would expect with A4 to be behind preflop if I called, as I cant imagine a player pushing on the first hand of a major final table with 10 bb with anything less than a Ace or a pair.

But the history of the table is more important, I generally feel a push is please dont call kind of move when short, so calling here with A8 upwards is possible, but I dont think Wolf risking 1/2 his stack which means he had 20 bb plus is good play with a well below average hand.

Again, its all about the situation and the state of mind and Dewolf look like a man in a rush to get home.

Thought the heads up game was brilliant, but became a bit silly at the end up. Thought it all look very well on the telly but a really pity about the crap-shoot, similiar looking to the WPT final tables, but with even less play.

as for minimum push range, its A anything along with any pair. Even suit KQ/KJ is good here.

If you had 15 bb Nicky, would you have made the same move and what about 20 bb? Will be helpiful next time I play you...lol

5starpool

Ollieboy wrote:

Not totally sure what the average chip stack was at this stage, but listing to Parkinson on the telly last nite, I think calling with A4 is terrible, he's a WPT and a EPT winner, his range should be a lot tight, I dont know if he felt he was getting the correct odds for a 60/40 race or something, but Nicky could have any pair here or a big Ace, I would expect with A4 to be behind preflop if I called, as I cant imagine a player pushing on the first hand of a major final table with 10 bb with anything less than a Ace or a pair.

But the history of the table is more important, I generally feel a push is please dont call kind of move when short, so calling here with A8 upwards is possible, but I dont think Wolf risking 1/2 his stack which means he had 20 bb plus is good player with a well below average hand.

Again, its all about the situation and the state of mind and Dewolf look like a man in a rush to get home.

Thought the heads up game was brilliant, but became a bit silly at the end up. Thought it all look very well on the telly but a really pity about the crap-shoot, similiar looking to the WPT final tables, but with even less play.

Ollie, Nicky has already said that they were playing for several hours before this happened, and that this was just the first hand of the tv final table (6 handed). This means that these guys had been sparring and jostling for quite a while, and while I agree this wasn't a great call, and probably isn't one I would have made, the fact that he was playing an opponent who had consistently raised over the few previous rounds of the table and one who needed the blinds or else a chance to double up as the shortstack, this increased the value of his A, and he genuinely felt his A was good here a large % of the time, and as we all know, if you think you have an edge in this game you take it, especially when the blinds were at the level they were.

phantom_lord

i think the call's fine.

sikes

Ollieboy wrote:

, but I dont think Wolf risking 1/2 his stack which means he had 20 bb plus is good play with a well below average hand.

A4 below average hand?

DeWolf is not idiot, and clearly thinks about every move. Youre just trying to compare your game to his, dont do that, but comment on the merits of his play. Why would he take a 45/55 against Nics range in this sitaution? He clearly knows he isnt dominating anything.

Ollieboy

5starpool wrote:

Ollie, Nicky has already said that they were playing for several hours before this happened, and that this was just the first hand of the tv final table (6 handed). This means that these guys had been sparring and jostling for quite a while, and while I agree this wasn't a great call, and probably isn't one I would have made, the fact that he was playing an opponent who had consistently raised over the few previous rounds of the table and one who needed the blinds or else a chance to double up as the shortstack, this increased the value of his A, and he genuinely felt his A was good here a large % of the time, and as we all know, if you think you have an edge in this game you take it, especially when the blinds were at the level they were.

not disagreeing with that point, but a player who thinks he's a better player should be trying to control the game and the pots and able to pick his spots better, I think Nicky's range is any pair, any A and worst KQ/KJ, that doesn't really make me a favourite and most of these hands I'm behind to, if he puts Nicky on a pair, he should fold.

I had this conversation with the Canadian player a few weeks, Morsel the guy that came 3rd, now we were discussing early mtt play and he felt it was always better to fold AK if you put the player on a pair as your behind, this was in relation to calling off 50% of your stack in a race. A lot of players are happy to take 45/55 race with this hand.

If nicky's raising a lot, I can understand the call, but looking at Dewolf's moves and playing with his best mate 2 weeks ago, its just pure aggressive and gambling junkie getting his fix. I heard that he didnt even sleep that nite, was up playing chinese poker till 8:30 am with Ram and Ram had to end the game. DeWolf is great for the game as he's a action player, but I still think he should have fold and I think its a poor call on his part. I dont think the risk/reward is good enough in this hand and if he sits for a while he should be moving up the pay structure etc. But everyone to there own.

Anway, wp agian Nic

phantom_lord

Ollieboy wrote:

I heard that he didnt even sleep that nite, was up playing chinese poker till 8:30 am with Ram and Ram had to end the game.

i have to get into that game, sounds ****ing great,

Ollieboy

sikes wrote:

A4 below average hand?

DeWolf is not idiot, and clearly thinks about every move. Youre just trying to compare your game to his, dont do that, but comment on the merits of his play. Why would he take a 45/55 against Nics range in this sitaution? He clearly knows he isnt dominating anything.

how can you say that after the plays he made all weekend and the moves that were shown with the TV camera and this guy is well know for his luckboxing. Please!

And I wouldn't compare my game to his as the styles are totally different. I do aggree he made some great calls later with small to medium pairs and does think out the move.

I suppose you think the move with KJ when he push allin on the 10 high flop was top draw?

Also if you look at Dewolfs face when he saw Nic cards, he was delight to see 22, he couldn't believe that his 4 was alive here.

But he is a great player and very exciting to watch, just dont agree with his style and cant understand how he keeps getting chips donated to him by players. Would love to be able to adopt his style, must try it a 20 euro game some evening...

LuckyLloyd

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sikes

Im not saying anything is top draw, but if we want to learn from successful players we should be analysing their plays and how they play and not compare it to our game but to look at the merits of it.

Of course he is delighted to see 22, becuase its a tight call for him and sometimes he will be a big dog. That doesnt mean he is gambling like an idiot.

IMO, he doesnt like having a shortstack on his right. Your chips come from your right in poker and you want the big stacks there. If he loses this pot he is in nic shoes but he still has folding equity. If he wins the roughly 50/50 he gets a much bigger stack and gets rid of the short stack which is hindering his ability to pick up chips. I tried to get a thread on this a while ago but it went off topic. However, I dont know what the stacks are or the postioning of the players in this situation

Ollieboy

sikes wrote:

IMO, he doesnt like having a shortstack on his right. Your chips come from your right in poker and you want the big stacks there. If he loses this pot he is in nic shoes but he still has folding equity. If he wins the roughly 50/50 he gets a much bigger stack and gets rid of the short stack which is hindering his ability to pick up chips. I tried to get a thread on this a while ago but it went off topic. However, I dont know what the stacks are or the postioning of the players in this situation

very good point and the call is excellant with hindsight. But I think he can be behind here more than ahead.

Anyway, would be interest to here what nic thought his pushing range was, I dont think its as wide as LL thinks as nobody wants to leave a final table with a crap hand or bad move.

sikes

yeah sorry should have said 45/55 shot, which I would think is the case against nics range

BobSloane

I think one of the benefits of making a call with a hand like A4 is that it says to the table that you'd better have a real hand to raise me cause I ain't folding. He wasn't all-in making the call either so I don't think it was so bad.

Ironically a while later he folded the AJ to Smyths raise with A10 when that hand would probably have led to him winning the tournament if he had pushed.

Ollieboy

BobSloane wrote:

I think one of the benefits of making a call with a hand like A4 is that it says to the table that you'd better have a real hand to raise me cause I ain't folding. He wasn't all-in making the call either so I don't think it was so bad.

Ironically a while later he folded the AJ to Smyths raise with A10 when that hand would probably have led to him winning the tournament if he had pushed.

yeh, he gave smyth a lot of respect, even heads up he didnt get involved to much unless he had something and he was always trying to extraction bets instead of big pushes. I think smyth had the correct style of play for the final table along with a good starting stack, hence the reason he won.