Now I'm not playing the Irish Open because....

Flipper

I couldn't get cash from the bank in time for the weekend (long term deposit a/c) so I contacted the "nice" people at PPP with whom I have been playing with (and donating on the sportbook from time to time too) for 2 years now. I asked them to register me out of the money in my a/c (there was about $5k at the time) and they refused. I actually thought they were joking! I mean, what could be simplier than withdrawing the funds into their other account and stick my name down. I even rang Liam Flood to see if he could do something and in fairness to him, he tried but to no avail.

Basically, this is an open letter to PPP to say well done on failing to look after your long term customers and a big round of applause on losing yet another player from your site. Great business.

Ollieboy

I was going to use my online account to do the same, but it does mention on the IO site that you cant do this. So I suppose thats fair enough on there part, must be the administration etc. I know GJP allowed people to buyin last year. It would have been handy to put the tournament up on the site and let people buy-in directly, similiar to ladbrokes and Stars

karlh

an open reply from me, more than 2 days notice would have been nice. we weren't even taking cheques when you called me coz they wouldn't reach the tournament account in time.

you suggested it was no problem on the phone.

Jimmy Hoffa

I too have felt the wrath of paddy power.Have a online account since 2001 with the basterds and lodged money in cash in store a number of times.I then took some out via neteller without losing it and they told me was against terms and conditions?I emailed them back saying im adegenerate etc and nappys for the baby and sorry i cant always lose and they close my account give me gamblers anonymous no and send a cheque for 17 euros to the house wp gg fu paddy power.And all who promote u

Flipper

Well now it is a problem as I have no seat. I just figured that ye might display a modicum of flexibility.

EDIT: I do not intend on creating (yet another) PPP bashing thread - I'm merely expressing my feelings and disappointment.

ntlbell

Flipper wrote:

Well now it is a problem as I have no seat. I just figured that ye might display a modicum of flexibility.

EDIT: I do not intend on creating (yet another) PPP bashing thread - I'm merely expressing my feelings and disappointment.

Can you not withdraw from your PPP account at a PPP bookies?

Flipper

ntlbell wrote:

Can you not withdraw from your PPP account at a PPP bookies?

No, they've never allowed me to do this. Think Ladbrokes is the only one that allows you to do this but in my experience, that's a joke because they never have enough cash in the shops ie: any more than €1k

Ollieboy

can you not withdraw the money to your credit card and pay the entry fee by credit card?

rynners

If his credit card is at max, then no. If he were to withdraw then it probably wouldn't show up on the card until next wednesday night at best!

5starpool

Most decent poker players I know can get that type of credit from a number of sources in a short space of time, so it sounds like an excuse more than a reason to me. Were you secretly just looking for a way not to play it flipper as you seemed quite humhaw about it for the last while anyways it seems.

Flipper

5starpool wrote:

Most decent poker players I know can get that type of credit from a number of sources in a short space of time, so it sounds like an excuse more than a reason to me. Were you secretly just looking for a way not to play it flipper as you seemed quite humhaw about it for the last while anyways it seems.

You say that like you know me.... You clearly don't. I can get all the cash I want of friends and I've had 5 calls offering to loan me and two offers of 50/50 stakes. I'm not playing purely cos I'm annoyed that PPP wouldn't make even a tiny effort. Also, I'm lolling at your "secretly just looking for a way not to play" theory.

Finally,does ringing up the company that's running the tourney and saying "I want to buy in with the money which is in your possesion" not constitute as wanting to play anymore?

TheSpaniard

I have to say your post on here a couple of days ago when you finally decided that you were going to play and were kindly offering a % of youself up and promoting your great tournament record (?) did smack a little of desperation. I dont know you well but you do seem to be on the floor financially and thats just going of your own mutterings so I'd say that your non-participation is no loss to the competition and I'd like to take this opportunity to congratulate the sponsors on assembling such a high quality field.

eoghan104

TheSpaniard wrote:

I have to say your post on here a couple of days ago when you finally decided that you were going to play and were kindly offering a % of youself up and promoting your great tournament record (?) did smack a little of desperation. I dont know you well but you do seem to be on the floor financially and thats just going of your own mutterings so I'd say that your non-participation is no loss to the competition and I'd like to take this opportunity to congratulate the sponsors on assembling such a high quality field.

I think this is a bit harsh unless you personally know Flipper. Its unfair to say he seems to be " on the floor financially" because he was looking to sell % of himself in the IO? What about everyone else that sold percentages? Do you think the same of them?

Another Jealous poster having a go IMO........

opr

Popcorn anyone ?

Opr

Lafortezza

opr wrote:

Popcorn anyone ?

Opr

lol,
As a mod I have to say that everyone needs to stay calm and polite, consider the whole thread warned.
Secretly I hope someone insults someone elses mother and it all kicks off biblical style.

DapperGent

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LuckyLloyd

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nicnicnic

eoghan104 wrote:

I think this is a bit harsh unless you personally know Flipper. Its unfair to say he seems to be " on the floor financially" because he was looking to sell % of himself in the IO? What about everyone else that sold percentages? Do you think the same of them?

Another Jealous poster having a go IMO........

I concur with these sentiments ffs how many players have come on here over the last year selling %s of themselves without any of this ****, also I'm pretty sure flipper is in conflict with himself about playing so personal comments/digs like those from 5starpools and the spaniards aren't really helpful now are they.

Gholimoli

I have read quite a few PPP bashing threads over the years.
Anything from their value,rake back,PPP store etc.
Now as a player who played on PPP almost exclusively for 3 years I have to say that any time I have asked them for anything they have done their very best to accommodate me.
The response has not always been a positive one in my eyes but never the less they have tried.
Karl H in particular has always tried to help and I have always had a response to my request from him.
Now I admit that I have not asked for much and I do agree that PPP may not be the best value site to play on but in terms of looking after their customers they do what they can.
I would also like to say that im not trying to take sides here but just telling both sides of story and in Flippers case if Karl says he needed more notice to do this I have no reason not to believe him.

ocallagh

TheSpaniard wrote:

I have to say your post on here a couple of days ago when you finally decided that you were going to play and were kindly offering a % of youself up and promoting your great tournament record (?) did smack a little of desperation. I dont know you well but you do seem to be on the floor financially and thats just going of your own mutterings so I'd say that your non-participation is no loss to the competition and I'd like to take this opportunity to congratulate the sponsors on assembling such a high quality field.

A lot of people say 20 buyins is a good BR for tournaments, others are different so it is difficult to judge someones net worth purely by the amount they are willing to spend on a poker tournament. Also, when you add in ease of access to cash, the players confidence etc more variables are introduced. Also what is the point in posting the above other than pissing Flipper off?

I would guess that Flipper was in two minds about playing and this last hurdle decided it for him.

phantom_lord

5starpool

Flipper wrote:

You say that like you know me.... You clearly don't. I can get all the cash I want of friends and I've had 5 calls offering to loan me and two offers of 50/50 stakes. I'm not playing purely cos I'm annoyed that PPP wouldn't make even a tiny effort. Also, I'm lolling at your "secretly just looking for a way not to play" theory.

Finally,does ringing up the company that's running the tourney and saying "I want to buy in with the money which is in your possesion" not constitute as wanting to play anymore?

PPP#s terms and conditions stae you can't do that. I am not saying that it is right, but it is stated one way or another. I presume the 'you don't know me bit' is a reference to you never accepting a loan however short term. If this is the case then fine (despite you saying you tried to get a bank loan), but if as Karl suggests, you only gave them a couple of days notice to accept something which they state they don't accept anyhow, then moan that they won't do it just because you play on their site a lot, it is not very professional, and does not strike me as the actions of someone who cares if they play in it or not.

And , no I don't know you. I have briefly played at your table a couple of times in the Fitz, and know you to see, but my above points are not based on me knowing you or not.

HiCloy

ocallagh wrote:

A lot of people say 20 buyins is a good BR for tournaments, others are different so it is difficult to judge someones net worth purely by the amount they are willing to spend on a poker tournament.

I'd say 20 buyins would be a bit on the low side for a 600+ runner tournament - unless you play these scale tournaments week in week out it makes a lot of sense to sell a % of yourself

POK3RPRODIGY

i have read alot of ppp bashing over the last year but never read anything like the bashing flipper gets when this chap makes a post, i dont know what you have done to deserve this?? but i personally tink it would be a good investment if u do decide to play this! and are selling % of yourself ill take some of an EXPERIENCED player!

BigCityBanker

ul Flipper.

I think the tournament is at a loss not to have a player of your quality in the field.

DeVore

I think it would behoove (yes its a word) us all to let this thread die quietly. I'm not saying it has to but I think the point has been raised and given its answer. Just mho.

DeV.

Gholimoli

DeVore wrote:

I think it would behoove (yes its a word) us all to let this thread die quietly. I'm not saying it has to but I think the point has been raised and given its answer. Just mho.

DeV.

here comes the party basher,Booo

LuckyLloyd

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Gholimoli

LuckyLloyd wrote:

Yeah, but it is his party after all...:)

you saying he is a Bully,
here comes the Bully ,Booo

LuckyLloyd

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phantom_lord

5starpool wrote:

Most decent poker players I know can get that type of credit from a number of sources in a short space of time

I'd imagine that halibut2 has the entry fee lost down the back of his couch!

The Clamper

i dont have any comment to make on your gripe with paddy power

however, i have to admit that i am really glad that you have chosen not to play for selfish reasons, you are too good for me by far and i love to see you getting dogged by some donkey who hasnt a clue and cant put down a hand then gets real lucky for a suckout.

on the other hand i would like to see an Irish person take the cash and you would have stood a great chance

pity you wont be there Flipper, but it only increases my chances

pppspecial

very ul kieran. i know a few people now crying for tickets so my reccommadation to u is to make the trip play the super sat and if to no avail hang around and see if u can purchase 1 later on after the sat..
lots off people sell % off them selfs both publicly and under the table. poor flipper has come on here to vent his gripes and all he does is get slated.

very bad form by some imo.


ohh and good luck to all davids here playing the ME.
"MAY THE FORCE BE WITH YOU"

5starpool

pppspecial wrote:

very ul kieran. i know a few people now crying for tickets so my reccommadation to u is to make the trip play the super sat and if to no avail hang around and see if u can purchase 1 later on after the sat..
lots off people sell % off them selfs both publicly and under the table. poor flipper has come on here to vent his gripes and all he does is get slated.

very bad form by some imo.


ohh and good luck to all davids here playing the ME.
"MAY THE FORCE BE WITH YOU"

Synopsis of Flippers post:

"I tried to do something at short notice even though they don't accept this method of payment, which I was not aware of. I am now annoyed and not playing even though I can get the money elsewhere easily if needed and repay it a few days later".

I am not trying to be overcritical here, but I don't see the point of criticising someone (PPP) for something they have stated already and should probably have been sorted out before. It is inconvenient, yes, but not earthshattering.

I have nothing against Flipper and agree that some of his posts have been unfairly criticised in the past (not by me though I think), but in this case I can't really see what point he is trying to make, as he had several alternatives to paying via his online account as preferred.

handsfree

i personally dont see why PPP cant just let people register like they register for online tourneys MTT section.

Solksjaer

I'm not playing the IO because

1. I am ill
2 I havnt played a sattelite
3. I would not be allowed pay 3500 without 6 months silent treatment
4. The weather this weekend is going to be great
5. The Masters is on.
6. Its easter and a BIG SIN to gamble on Good Friday (shame on you PP)
7 did I mention I am ill

trying to purge the jealousy here.....


Flipper play a sattelite tonight and win your ticket.

DeVore

handsfree wrote:

i personally dont see why PPP cant just let people register like they register for online tourneys MTT section.

Other sites/operators have put up mock tournies to register online for offline events. Cant imagine who.... :rolleyes:

Damn, now I broke my own suggestion.

DeV.

Flipper

TheSpaniard wrote:

I have to say your post on here a couple of days ago when you finally decided that you were going to play and were kindly offering a % of youself up and promoting your great tournament record (?) did smack a little of desperation. I dont know you well but you do seem to be on the floor financially and thats just going of your own mutterings so I'd say that your non-participation is no loss to the competition and I'd like to take this opportunity to congratulate the sponsors on assembling such a high quality field.

I can only wonder what breed of twit you are and why you comment on something you have ZERO clue about. I never said my tourney record was "great" but if we are tooting horns, with the exception of Andy Black, no one from Ireland came close to me last year in earnings (and I hardly played at all from April to September). I don't have much left to say on this except Niall came closest to summing up my thoughts. Thanks to all the players who know me and posted to stand up for me and to the haters... FU

ElJudgerino

Screw em Flipper...just wack up a link to ya Hendon mob profile again...that should keep em schtum....

Hopefully see ya in the 1k or something...

ElJ

Solksjaer

Flipper wrote:

, with the exception of Andy Black, no one from Ireland came close to me last year in earnings

If this is the case you should really be playing in this. swallow your annoyance and get into it. Jayz man there is a lot of money to be won in this plus the more irish the better......


lets hope we get an Irish winner...

kakak1

UL Flipper, you will be a loss to the tournament & someone who would have had a genuine chance of doing well.

To PPP I think on this issue you need to get your act together & also on the issue of winning a satellite & being able to use it in any final and not the one specified by you. This rule is sooooooooooo stupid as you have to be losing revenue from it.

5starpool

If you don't like the prize, don't play the competition. I also fail to see what all the 'UL' remarks are in aid of.

Marq

you're like a spoiled child. don't play the open if you don't want to play the open. if you do, borrow the money from someone. I'll give it to you if you want.
cutting off your nose to spite your face because Paddy Power won't bend the rules for you is a fúcking pisstake.

P.S. I do think it's ridiculous that Paddy Power won't take entry fees from people's PPP accounts. But that's not the issue - they state pretty clearly that it's not an option in the T&C's.

Flushdraw

Flipper,

I dont understand why you arent playing. Seems to be a bit of a Roy Keane/Mick McCarthy thing going on. Youre one the the better players around Ireland and these big events dont come around that often so i'd have thought that yours one have been one of the 1st names on the last and that you would got your ticket long before they were sold out.

In the end you were pushed for time, so i would have taken a lend off someone, or took one of the backers up on their offer to play. Its not too late now, i'm sure that you know some people that could get their hands on a ticket if you want. Get on the blower and try to play and try and repeat last jans performance in the IPC. If not, come up for the cash games and the general buzz. I for one, hope to see you around for the weekend.

I wouldnt be cutting off my nose to spite my face because PP couldnt swing it for you, theres money to be made up here so that should be the deciding factor. Get ur @ss up to Dublin!

ntlbell

All Credit to Flipper at the end of the day lioke.

GrangeUtd

is it ever ok to fold aces preflop?

Flipper

GrangeUtd wrote:

is it ever ok to fold aces preflop?

absolutely.

GrangeUtd

Flipper wrote:

absolutely.

nh. now you're talking me language!!

bops

for the record when you folded the aces - i believe it was fine.

put that on record you group of monkeys

bops

hi flipper!

i can't believe the ****e you get on here, especially form people in high positions :rolleyes:

anyway i believe all you were tring to say is that you have been a good customer of ppp for a long time and they didn't try and accomodate you in any way - which imo is ridiculous

u come on here to voice your opinions and then have to listen to a load of horse ****

fk em

i'm not playong the ME either now, but i hope to see ya on sunday for the 1k and/or some 5/10 or somethin.

gl buddy

bops

now i'm in a bad mood :mad: