Bad etiquette???

Flushdraw

Playing the SE cash game last night and this situation arose and i dont think i did anything wrong..

Stack sizes me 800+ villain 220

Villain raises UTG to 7, Spiral calls (800+) and i'm in BB with Ad8d so i call (never gonna fold here when theres a chance to stackaspiral!)

Flop is QAA

Villain bets 7, Spiral folds, i make it 30, he quickly calls...ok my ace is no good me thinks.....while he's calling, all the usual talk about the bad beat jackpot is going on..someone have AQ v AQ, AA v QQ etc they're all saying, the whole table is chirpy

Turn is another Ace.

i bet 40...he calls while asking wtf etc mumbling about the bad beat bad beat blah....for those of you that dont know, for the bad beat jackpot to be won, the losing player must hold a minimum of a house of Aces over Jacks and both players must use both hole cards so i know straight from the flop that a bad beat cant happen...

River is a blank i bet 75 and he calls and tables QQ. No bad beat, but a bad beat for him because e flopped a house and i hit the case ace on the turn but was i wrong value betting the turn/river while keeping quiet throughout the hand??

hf4z6sqo7vjngi

Flushdraw wrote:

River is a blank and he checks, i bet 75 and he calls and tables QQ. No bad beat, but a bad beat for him because e flopped a house and i hit the case ace on the turn but was i wrong value betting the turn/river while keeping quiet throughout the hand??

Nothing wrong with this Tony

phantom_lord

nope.

Flushdraw

Jamir Mysterious Body wrote:

Nothing wrong with this Tony

I fixed my post..I lead out here first to act

ianmc38

How is that not a bad beat? He had aces full of queens beaten by quad aces and was using both his hole cards. Or am i missing something?

sikes

FD wasn't using both his hole cards.

there nothing wrong at all.

However if you start talking about the jackpot and how it gets split etc, call over the card room manager to clarify, then ship it in, get called and point and laugh, then getting up immediately without tipping the dealer, knocking over everyones stack and leaving a turd on the button, this could be frowned upon.

ianmc38

sikes wrote:

FD wasnt using both his hole cards.

there nothing wrong at all.

huh? if you only have one ace in your hand it doesnt count as quad aces?

Mellor

Would this not quailfy for the bad beat, his hand is AAAQQ, that meets min requirement.
yours is potentilly AAAA8

I know its not your best possible hand, but the losing hand was at least aces over jacks, and both players used both hole cards.

sikes

ianmc38 wrote:

huh? if you only have one ace in your hand it doesnt count as quad aces?

i play five card hand, dont you?

which wins

AAAAQ
AAAA8

ditpoker

tony's best hand is AAAAQ , but im sure he'd be happy to play/declare AAAA8

ianmc38

Ah roysh, best 5 cards. I get stuff.

hf4z6sqo7vjngi

if tony had ak here this would have took the jackpot but as his 8 is not in play due to q's on board it does not qualify. what is the jackpot at the moment

Solksjaer

Bad etiquette???

Ok let me get this correct. The etiquette question is should you have ceased betting so that the possibility of a bad beat could be hit. In my opinion (and not saying I wouldn't do it) checking it down in collusion with the rest of the table to win the casinos BAD BEAT is in fact -> bad etiquette. (again not saying I wouldn't do it) So you were actually displaying good etiquette. (in the spirit of the word).

Flushdraw

Once the flop is dealt, i know that i cant use my 8 so the bad beat was never gonna happen. I never mentioned a word for the entire hand and just bet it to get paid. After the hand, the villain (chocky or whatever he's called - the little annoyin fella that just whistles all the time) said that he only called because he thought it was a bad beat and i thought the poor guy was going to start crying.

There was only 2 good players at the table and both of them knew it wasnt gonna be a bad beat by the way i bet it, and dont think i did anything wrong but 1 or 2 of the worserer players were saying thats bad etc etc...Little chocky donked off his last 60 or 70 quid.

He did get up and shake my hand and say well done qith tears in his eyes..i had to give him a pony chip to have a spin on roulette because i felt a bit guilty afterwards (not tryin to rub his face in it btw)

Mellor

AQ would of taken it too.
Normally the higher hand only needs to use one card, and the lower needs to use two, because of situations like like above.
Say if FD had AQ here, but the river was a king, no bad beat.
Or if he had KK, his hans is worth less, but the bad beat is now won.

phantom_lord

Solksjaer wrote:

Bad etiquette???

Ok let me get this correct. The etiquette question is should you have ceased betting so that the possibility of a bad beat could be hit. In my opinion (and not saying I wouldn't do it) checking it down in collusion with the rest of the table to win the casinos BAD BEAT is in fact -> bad etiquette. (again not saying I wouldn't do it) So you were actually displaying good etiquette. (in the spirit of the word).

no, the guy was only calling because he thought they'd win the jackpot, tony knew they couldn't and is asking should he have not bet it/said something.

Flushdraw

Solksjaer wrote:

Bad etiquette???

Ok let me get this correct. The etiquette question is should you have ceased betting so that the possibility of a bad beat could be hit. In my opinion (and not saying I wouldn't do it) checking it down in collusion with the rest of the table to win the casinos BAD BEAT is in fact -> bad etiquette. (again not saying I wouldn't do it) So you were actually displaying good etiquette. (in the spirit of the word).

Yeah Willie, I knew that he had KK or QQ after the turn so i knew he was going to pay me off. If i had AK, i wouldnt have bet because whats another 30 or 40 quid when theres a few grand on offer.

Fran,

I tink the jackpot is only 7 or 8k, i never even checked. The table would only have gotten about 200 quid each so i can never understand why the all what it so much. I dont want it to happen when i'm at the table unless i'm involved in the hand!!

LuckyLloyd

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phantom_lord

sikes wrote:

FD wasn't using both his hole cards.

Is the problem not that the other guy isn't using both his hole cards?

in the fitz i think, the losing hand has to use both hole cards while the winning hand only has to use one, I'm guessing the se is the same.

the guy's hand is AAAQQ, the board is AAAQx.

if he had jj/kk it'd be a bad beat hand right?

LuckyLloyd

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sikes

you could be right. Im not sure of the rulings in each

I think bad beat jackpots are retarded. I would never play online on a table that had one, unless it was so big that contributing to it and playing was +EV which i s rarely the case

phantom_lord

ok, well the guy should have realised himself he couldn't win it with his hand,

sikes

phantom_lord wrote:

ok, well the guy should have realised himself he couldn't win it with his hand,

mmmm, thats an interesting one. Because his hole cards do make up his possible hand.

baker1

No problems at all in the way you played the hand. The Bad beat talk can be very frustrating at the table especially as everyone will only win a deuce or so.

On a unrelated topic how did you feel about the treatment of us poker players in relation to the Mini draw Flushdraw?. I thought it was slightly out of order by the management to pen us in to the bookies in full public view of the smoking area and the street. Nothing to do with alex or john, apparantly management wanted us all to do our rolls on the gaming floor to pay for the mini and Jordan.

Aidan

Flushdraw

phantom_lord wrote:

ok, well the guy should have realised himself he couldn't win it with his hand,

He was using the QQ in his hand with the AAA on board to make a qualifyin hand for the bad beat. I would have needed to be holding AK,AQ or KK to qualify for the winning hand and in a 3 way pot, i would have reraised with each of these PF so he could have ruled them out

Flushdraw

baker1 wrote:

No problems at all in the way you played the hand. The Bad beat talk can be very frustrating at the table especially as everyone will only win a deuce or so.

On a unrelated topic how did you feel about the treatment of us poker players in relation to the Mini draw Flushdraw?. I thought it was slightly out of order by the management to pen us in to the bookies in full public view of the smoking area and the street. Nothing to do with alex or john, apparantly management wanted us all to do our rolls on the gaming floor to pay for the mini and Jordan.

Aidan

It was a bit of a disaster last night Aidan. We got in about 915 and there were only 3 tables going downstairs in the bookies and scores of players on the waiting list. It was nealry 1030 before they opened upstairs and it left a bit of a bad taste in the mouth. Both John and Alex were upset by the way things went but the Blackjack and roulette were packed so they still got their money anyways.

phantom_lord

is he not using just one q in his hand with the aaaq of the board?

valor

i dont get this thread at all, how could u ever think its bad etiquette to value bet

BigCityBanker

angle shooting mofo Tony - this is nearly as bad as Lloyds carry on with his 4 4 hand last sunday..

seriously - I dont think you bet enough.

ollyk1

Flushdraw wrote:

He was using the QQ in his hand with the AAA on board to make a qualifyin hand for the bad beat. I would have needed to be holding AK,AQ or KK to qualify for the winning hand and in a 3 way pot, i would have reraised with each of these PF so he could have ruled them out

That combined with the fact that you are very unlikely to risk a few €k for a measly €75 on the river!!

In fact I'd be a little insulted if some guy thought I was that stupid to be honest. Not that I'd say it, I'd just silently curse myself for not taking all of his stack on the river!

PMSL a the thoughts of giving him a pony to spin on the roulette! Here you go you big cry baby go buy a few sweets in the shop... You are a total softy Tony, some guy wells up and you starting handy back the cash. LOL just LOL

In response to Baker1 I thought lasts nights move into the bookies was typical of the attitude of the SE management to the poker players tbh. I for one left and got my cash game fix in the Fitz. It's never the poker floor managers fault but the powers that be are never shy in letting you know your place in there! I guess we should be grateful that we get in at all!! :rolleyes:

Solksjaer

ollyk1 wrote:

You are a total softy Tony, some guy wells up and you starting handy back the cash.

Waaah, I havn't had a chance to play in a Irish Open qualifier yet, Waaah, I'm not paying 3500 into it...Wahh , I grew up ginger!

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Pay me in to the Irish Open Tony I'm welling here. I'm WELLING UP Wahhhh!

Flushdraw

valor wrote:

i dont get this thread at all, how could u ever think its bad etiquette to value bet

Valor, my point is that the player with the QQ thought that he was going to win the bad beat, he said he knew i had the ace so he was calling just to win it. I was just tryin to win the hand and theres a good chance he would have laid down his QQ if he fully understood what qualified as a bad beat.

Olly, i dont want the poker gods to haunt me so giving him a pony wasnt the end of the world! I'd already bought in for €300 and lost it to drunken Pat, bought back in for €300 and again gave it to drunken Pat so i bought in for my last €300 and was in the process of rebuilding my stack so i wasnt tempting faith!

Flushdraw

Solksjaer wrote:

Waaah, I havn't had a chance to play in a Irish Open qualifier yet, Waaah, I'm not paying 3500 into it...Wahh , I grew up ginger!

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Pay me in to the Irish Open Tony I'm welling here. I'm WELLING UP Wahhhh!

Y'oul bollix

LuckyLloyd

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Marq

Tony, you're too nice. And you did nothing wrong, regarding etiquette or otherwise.
Next time, instead of giving him a pony, slowroll him. Then laugh at him. Then tell him that you knew he had nothing, while throwing the dealer a .50 chip and asking if he has any change.

cooker3

phantom_lord wrote:

Is the problem not that the bad beat jackpot exists in the first place

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sikes

i would have just lashed it all in there if he thought he was going to win the bad beat jackpot.

Flushdraw

sikes wrote:

i would have just lashed it all in there if he thought he was going to win the bad beat jackpot.

I have to add this ruthless approach to my game lol!

ianmc38

sikes wrote:

i would have just lashed it all in there if he thought he was going to win the bad beat jackpot.

Me too

ollyk1

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MacStacked

LuckyLloyd wrote:

Tony, ya did nothing wrong. I wouldn't feel too bad about that dude anyway.

My sentiments exactly..

Same dude slowrolled me earlier on last night after rivering the nuts in a decent pot..showing a ten high flush, savouring the moment and finally throwing over the Ace for the nuts..

Pissed me off no end.

ollyk1

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LuckyLloyd

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Flushdraw

MacStacked wrote:

My sentiments exactly..

Same dude slowrolled me earlier on last night after rivering the nuts in a decent pot..showing a ten high flush, savouring the moment and finally throwing over the Ace for the nuts..

Pissed me off no end.

If i had of known that......

And Olly....Fup Off

BigDragon

sikes wrote:

i would have just lashed it all in there if he thought he was going to win the bad beat jackpot.

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Solksjaer

LuckyLloyd wrote:

Tony is just a big softie.

'tis the Drimnagh blood in him. We're all the same , give ya the last cent we ever robbed.

BigCityBanker

LuckyLloyd wrote:

Joke?

indeed

ollyk1

I'm welling up here Tony please can I have a Pony....

Mellor

Lol, best pic of the lot,

Goodluck2me

BigCityBanker wrote:

indeed

i thought you were serious, he did angle shoot the guys father. i think lloyd should start a thread on it and see if anyone agrees?

semibluff

maybe im completely missing something but isnt a bad beat when i house of jacks or better is beaten by another hand - with each player using their hole cards - AFAIK this is the only prerequisite -
So using his QQ hole cards and the 3 aces qualifies - and tony using his AAAA8 beats him and also uses his hole cards, it doesnt NEED to be the best hand (ie the AAAA Q (kikr))
what am i missing here because this is a bad beat jackpot hand