I must be missing something

3rdDegree

I have checked out the PS3 in Virgin and Smiths. Both on Sammy 32" LCD. I'm completely unimpressed. I went into Smiths last Saturday with €700 burning a whole in my pocket. But when I played:

1. RR7. Same as RR6 on Xbox360. Perhaps doesn't look as good.
2. F1: Awful visuals. So much so I wondered if the TV was on SD. Cars look good, but everything else looked PS2 graphics
3. RFOM: Actually liked the game itself. But it looked so "flat". The aliens looked like deflated, 2 dimentional water bottles.

I really liked the look of the PS3 and the Blue-Ray player. Also like browser and op-system. In fact, I really wanted like the whole machine. But I was completely unimpressed by the games. I came away with my money intact.

I'm hoping that things improve.

Captain Trips

You really need to see Motorstorm with a proper HD output to judge the graphics. R:FOM is nothing special, but it is just another FPS game.

Motorstorm is about as good graphics as I have seen anywhere and certainly much much more impressive than I expected. I haven't sen anything on the 360 that would be comparable. The Sixaxis motion control is not great for it though.

Thrill

It will be months before any great games hit the market. I'm going to hold off buying a PS3 for about 6 months to see if things improve. It's not worth buying until there are a few good games to choose from imo.

collie1

You mean like Halo 3, Mass Effect,Bioshock,Forza,Splinter Cell 5,Halo Wars.
Whoops my bad, theyre exclusives for the 360

steviec

collie1 wrote:

You mean like Halo 3, Mass Effect,Bioshock,Forza,Splinter Cell 5,Halo Wars.
Whoops my bad, theyre exclusives for the 360

Yawn.

Nope I'd say he means God of War, Gran Turismo, Jak and Daxter, Killzone, Ratchet & Clank, Metal Gear Solid 4, Final Fantasy XIII, Singstar, Sly Cooper, SOCOM, Twisted Metal, Heavenly Sword, Lair, Motorstorm, Resistance: Fall of Man, Uncharted, The Getaway, White Knight Story, Hot Shots Golf, Little Big Planet, Warhawk, Wipeout, Loco Roco, Afrika, Team Ico's next game, Namco's newly released list of PS3 exclusives and the myriad of other definite and probable PS3 exclusives on the horizon, in addition to the 90% of games on both consoles that will be multiplatform.

Mossy Monk

collie1 wrote:

You mean like Halo 3, Mass Effect,Bioshock,Forza,Splinter Cell 5,Halo Wars.
Whoops my bad, theyre exclusives for the 360

heh, you are very funny

skywalker

Captain Trips wrote:

You really need to see Motorstorm with a proper HD output to judge the graphics. R:FOM is nothing special, but it is just another FPS game.

Motorstorm is about as good graphics as I have seen anywhere and certainly much much more impressive than I expected. I haven't sen anything on the 360 that would be comparable. The Sixaxis motion control is not great for it though.

Played motorstorm the other day and wasnt impressed with the visuals in the slightest, it really didnt look anything special.

peepingtom

you were looking in right direction i take it?

its a fantastic looking game

Ciaran500

Have to agree with Skywalker, played a few of laps it in Smyths and it doesn't look nearly as amazing as people are making it out to be.

Vegeta

yup have to agree about motorstorm only being ok

saying that nothing on the 360 has shocked me bar gears of war (not mad about actual game but it is only game the looks truly impressive)

save your money, better games will come, price may drop, reliability may improve.

Two things put me off the PS3, Sony are **** and the wireless PS2/3 controllers are crap. The second thing i'd get over but the first I wont.

LookingFor

Vegeta wrote:

save your money, better games will come, price may drop, reliability may improve.

PS3s seem to be very reliable as is.

Of course, the system will get cheaper, and better games will come along. But that's always true of every system.

In reference to earlier comments about there being "no great games", it's a matter of taste, but I would say there's already a few great games there at launch. As launch lineups go, it's one of the strongest I can remember.

peepingtom

those saying motorstorm only looks ok, i take it you are not playing on HD ready tv's/projectors with HDMI cables etc.?

i'm very suprise by these remarks

Vegeta

LookingFor wrote:

PS3s seem to be very reliable as is.

well about 4 people here have had them go already but I was mainly talking about manufacturing process becoming more stable, getting to final revs of hardware, maybe the geometry shrink etc etc

either way you cant argue that it makes sense to wait, if you can hold off for maybe the 9 months to xmas you will be getting a better product. I doubt you'll argue that point

Vegeta

peepingtom wrote:

those saying motorstorm only looks ok, i take it you are not playing on HD ready tv's/projectors with HDMI cables etc.?

i'm very suprise by these remarks

well it was on a demo pod so I can only guess how it was set up.

skywalker

peepingtom wrote:

you were looking in right direction i take it?

its a fantastic looking game

You should be on stage ya know that.

Vegeta wrote:

yup have to agree about motorstorm only being ok

saying that nothing on the 360 has shocked me bar gears of war (not mad about actual game but it is only game the looks truly impressive)

save your money, better games will come, price may drop, reliability may improve.

Two things put me off the PS3, Sony are **** and the wireless PS2/3 controllers are crap. The second thing i'd get over but the first I wont.

Id agree with pretty much everything you've said there. Nothing has made me want to go next gen as yet, gow was very shiny though.

peepingtom wrote:

those saying motorstorm only looks ok, i take it you are not playing on HD ready tv's/projectors with HDMI cables etc.?

i'm very suprise by these remarks

I played it in game Dawson st. It was definitely a hdtv. Theres no way sony would be cheap enough not to use hd cables on display models, would they?

Ciaran500

peepingtom wrote:

those saying motorstorm only looks ok, i take it you are not playing on HD ready tv's/projectors with HDMI cables etc.?

i'm very suprise by these remarks

Yep, the Sony displays in shops are hooked up to a 26" (I think) Bravia LCD via HDMI.

peepingtom

each to their own i suppose ... i think you'd be pleasantly suprised if you saw it set up at home with a good sound system ... the online mode alone makes it worth buying. they've done a great job on it.

KTRIC

I really must be missing something, I played Motorstorm in 720P and it looked really bad. Even the untrained eye of my GF thought it was bad.

To be honest I'm quite surprised when i hear people raving on about the graphics on the PS3. Maybe I should upgrade my eyes to HD :rolleyes:

mayto

Ppl are gonna try and justify the 630 euros they have just spent and not let a bad word be said against it, but its not worth anything like that atm. Even in a years time it'll still be the case. Someone posted a list of games above, singstar! twisted metal! the getaway! afrika! over half them listed earlier will be for 10 yrs old or were crap games on the ps2 and fancy graphics aint gonan change that. Most ppl will be sick to dead of motorstorm in a few weeks. Just because it might look nice doesnt mean its a great game (the amount of times i have read posts by ppl trying to defend it by saying " you mustnt have a hdtv " or "you tv must not be working". Any of my friends who tried it on my ps3 were sick of it after one race especially with those slow motion crashes! and that sixaxis control for motorstorm is pulling the piss (wouldnt be suprised if they get rid of it when they bring out controllers with rumble seeing as only there as a gimic to make up for lack of rumble!). If there was actually a few more decent games out for it you wouldnt be hearing as much about it. When its 400 euros and has some decent games it'll be worth buying.

LookingFor

Vegeta wrote:

either way you cant argue that it makes sense to wait, if you can hold off for maybe the 9 months to xmas you will be getting a better product. I doubt you'll argue that point

Totally. PS2 is the best it's ever been right now, 6 years on. A games console almost always becomes a more enticing proposition with age.

My only argument is that for those who like to jump on board the train early, and some people do, PS3 has a lot to keep you entertained - much more than my PS2 ever did when it first launched, for example. There'll certainly be more reasons to buy into it as time wears on, but depending on what you want out of it now, it can offer excellent value right from the start. I certainly feel like I'm getting my money's worth, but then I'm the type of person who has been waiting years for HD gaming AND HD movies.

I think Xmas08 will be a sweet spot for many people, between price, games and the growing draw of Blu-ray, but for me personally, I'd feel I was missing out if I didn't have one even now.

mayto wrote:

Just because it might look nice doesnt mean its a great game

Good thing it is! And it's not just for a lack of decent games. If anything I have too many games demanding my attention right now between VF5, Resistance, Motorstorm, Tekken5 and VT3.

peepingtom

if it came to the point were i thought i was justifying paying 630 for a games machine by saying a game is good when its not, i would sell the thing.

I bought mine as an entertainment centre, and i think it does the job very nicely.

there are more people doing this for the wii, and its only a fraction of that amount.

i would sell my wii only for the fact my girlfriend bought me it.

xanthor

Punter123 wrote:

My Console is better than your console because i say so and if you don't agree then your parents are cousins or something.

:rolleyes:

Thrill

collie1 wrote:

You mean like Halo 3, Mass Effect,Bioshock,Forza,Splinter Cell 5,Halo Wars.
Whoops my bad, theyre exclusives for the 360

Yes, but the 360 itself isn't exclusive. I could pick one up anytime i wished but i couldn't be bothered.

It'll be a PS3 for me thank you.

Mitch Connor

thrill wrote:

Yes, but the 360 itself isn't exclusive. I could pick one up anytime i wished but i couldn't be bothered.

It'll be a PS3 for me thank you.

erm - what has that got to do with anything, you can just as easily pick up a PS3!

Fingleberries

thrill wrote:

Yes, but the 360 itself isn't exclusive. I could pick one up anytime i wished but i couldn't be bothered.

It'll be a PS3 for me thank you.

Good point, well made... :rolleyes:

Well, if that's the idea - I have a Sega Mega Drive + Mega CD + 32x, not many people have one of them. I must in one of the most exclusive brackets, ever

Dickmcsavage

I have to say that I wasn't massively impressed with the graphics in Motorstorm. Not that they're bad or anything, they're just not as good as they were made out to be i.e. the game people were supposed to buy to get a real next gen experience. Well the reason Im posting is becuase nobody here has mentioned fight night! I have to say the graphics in that game truly impressed me. Whats more important, the gameplay is good too, something that motorstorm is lacking in also. IMO they went a bit overboard on the physics in Motorstorm and can become real annoying real quick.
In conclusion: Fight Night FTW! I would recommend it to anyone.

Vegeta

Dickmcsavage wrote:

I have to say that I wasn't massively impressed with the graphics in Motorstorm. Not that they're bad or anything, they're just not as good as they were made out to be i.e. the game people were supposed to buy to get a real next gen experience. Well the reason Im posting is becuase nobody here has mentioned fight night! I have to say the graphics in that game truly impressed me. Whats more important, the gameplay is good too, something that motorstorm is lacking in also. IMO they went a bit overboard on the physics in Motorstorm and can become real annoying real quick.
In conclusion: Fight Night FTW! I would recommend it to anyone.

I think people didn't mention Fight Night as its on the 360 aswell, agree though great fun

Varik

Mass Effect and Bioshock are not exclusive any more,
i think ps3 is better than 360 but most company are stopping exclusive because they dont make as much, the 360 on 2nd gen of games and the ps3 only on 1st untill developer get more time with these the vast amount of games will be out on both,
sony have an adv most japanese dev will still side with sony as sale in japan of 360 are comparatively very low.

Motorstorm look great and it on a 1st gen game
have one seen god of war 2 on the ps2 if that what the ps2 can do both the 360 and ps3 will have great looking games at the end.

Easy Rider

I have the WII and the 360, would not mind owning the PS3 also but the price is just too much right now....don't think the PS3 has anything over the 360 yet, Fight Night actually looks better on the 360 as do most comparible games....go onto most gaming websites and they have done direct comparisons, the 360 won 8/10 times.....Saw F1 and Motorstorm, plus the war game (which I think looks bad)....don't see anything special yet....at the end of the day it is about how the playability is....not something anyone has mentioned//// Is F1 any good, more sim or arcarde?

astrofool

In hardware terms, the only thing the PS3 really has over the 360 is the blu ray drive, they're both based off the same generation of hardware, with the 360 having a more advanced GPU (R500 using unified shaders vs. GF7900), and the PS3 having the edge in the CPU (if they can leverage the Cell architecture). Remember, the PS3 delay was caused by the HDMI spec and Blu Ray diodes rather then the hardware chips themselves, which were ready about the same time as the 360 hardware was.

Ultimately it means the PS3 might have better CPU enabled effects, and the 360 has better GPU enabled effects.

steviec

Easy Rider wrote:

Is F1 any good, more sim or arcarde?

Somewhere in the middle, but erring towards sim. Make sure you turn all the driver aids off, it plays like a rubbish arcade game by default but a quick trip to the options menu turns it into a very very good game.

It's certainly not a sim by PC standards but it's got decent car physics, it's difficult and the slightest mistake can and will end your race. So I wouldn't call it an arcade game.

unreggd

My problems with the PS3 are:

1] Even on the top-notch HD TVs, the graphics aint amazing
[They had em hooked up to 42" hd tvs at the SOny promo 3 weeks ago]

2] Games are'nt amazing

3] Tilt is crap, way too sensitive to use in most drivin games

4] looks horrible!

5] All teh HD video clips were extremely grainy

6] the price

7] the Sixaxis, way too light and hollow [hold it under a light.....]
they cudda used the space to add more battery, but no... that would be SMART

Thrill

Tauren wrote:

erm - what has that got to do with anything, you can just as easily pick up a PS3!

My point exactly.

Bragging that certain games are exclusive to a certain console is meaningless when anyone can just go out and buy both the game and the console .

Its childish.

I made my mind up to buy a PS3 and someone goes on about xbox exclusive games as though owning a PS3 means i can never buy microsofts console or play the games.

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3rdDegree

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Blowfish

unreggd wrote:

My problems with the PS3 are:

1] Even on the top-notch HD TVs, the graphics aint amazing
[They had em hooked up to 42" hd tvs at the SOny promo 3 weeks ago]

2] Games are'nt amazing

You don't see those as being linked, no?

I'm another of the people waiting for a while. Once there are a good few decent games out i'll consider shelling out.

Ciaran500

Varik wrote:

Mass Effect and Bioshock are not exclusive any more

Yes they are.

koneko

Varik wrote:

Mass Effect and Bioshock are not exclusive any more

Mass Effect is 360 exclusive, Bioshock is 360 and PC. Neither will be on the PS3, if that's what you're getting at.

McDermotX

koneko wrote:

Mass Effect is 360 exclusive, Bioshock is 360 and PC. Neither will be on the PS3, if that's what you're getting at.

Probably picking up on internet rumours earlier in the year of Bioshock on its way to PS3, but there has been no confirmation of that or nothing on the official pages..Probably forum started, but you never know..
Only 360 and PC confirmed at this point, with PC the one to go for IMO, but it is looking well on the 360 at present..

Mass Effect, as a Bioware title, I think will eventually make it to PC with PC Gamer fairly confident it'll be on its way after 360.........but considering the gap between KOTOR1 on Xbox and PC, its probably better to go with the only 100% confirmed 360 release.....defo no PS3 release..

collie1

Ciaran500 wrote:

Yes they are.

Thank You

collie1

thrill wrote:

My point exactly.

Bragging that certain games are exclusive to a certain console is meaningless when anyone can just go out and buy both the game and the console .

Its childish.

I made my mind up to buy a PS3 and someone goes on about xbox exclusive games as though owning a PS3 means i can never buy microsofts console or play the games.

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Im not saying that the PS3 is a crap machine. Im sure its a great console that will come good in time, but I own a 360 since launch day, looking forward to playing all crossplatform games. But I just cant justify to myself forking out over 600 euro for a games console. I dont have a HDTV, so I have no need 4 BLU-RAY. If the price came down by 150 euro I would consider it, but the price point is way to high for a game cosole.Until the price drops, ill stick to my 360 and the "EXCLUSIVE" games that look better than any PS3 "EXCLUSIVE"

Aedh Baclamh

Not just a games console though?

Ciaran500

But it is to alot of us.

quad_red

Yeah, I went into town at the weekend to take a peek at the PS3 in game shops. Most shops had a tennis game on ( ) but I saw Resistance, F1 and Motorstorm playing.

Motorstorm looks ok. Yeah, it blows the previous gen out of the water. But it doesn't do anything that the 360 hasn't done. Resistance is a really mixed bag. I saw some nice internal scenes but some of the exterior stuff was rough. And F1 looked extremely mediocre. The tennis game looked allright (but it's one scene).

I think the 360 has really robbed some of the woh factor here. First time I saw 360 games on a HD tv I was amazed (and I look back on those first gen 360 titles and grimace now). But we've become more accustomed to high def now.

Aedh Baclamh

I heard F1 is meant to be amazing when you've got a decent tv playing it. That's the problem for me, in order to get the PS3 I really need a new tv.

mikeruurds

collie1 wrote:

Im not saying that the PS3 is a crap machine. Im sure its a great console that will come good in time, but I own a 360 since launch day, looking forward to playing all crossplatform games. But I just cant justify to myself forking out over 600 euro for a games console. I dont have a HDTV, so I have no need 4 BLU-RAY. If the price came down by 150 euro I would consider it, but the price point is way to high for a game cosole.Until the price drops, ill stick to my 360 and the "EXCLUSIVE" games that look better than any PS3 "EXCLUSIVE"

I'm in exactly the same boat. 360 is keeping me busy enough. There's just nothing on the PS3 at the moment that justifies the cost.

Aedh Baclamh

But surely you see the appeal for people with nothing as of yet?

Kevin2006

Why do people on here constantly go on about the 360, its annoying. There is a xbox fourm last time I checked.

quad_red

Aedh Baclamh wrote:

I heard F1 is meant to be amazing when you've got a decent tv playing it. That's the problem for me, in order to get the PS3 I really need a new tv.

It was a Sony display unit with a Sony Bravia LCD. Presumably that's as good as you're going to get??

I saw a rally game demo on a display unit (I think it was Colin McRae??) and it sh*t on Motor Storm from a height. Looked absolutely incredible.

3rdDegree

Aedh Baclamh wrote:

I heard F1 is meant to be amazing when you've got a decent tv playing it.

This was the only launch title I was in any way interested in. It looks very poor on any monitor. Crowds and bacgrounds looked awful - PS2 graphics. Drawing distance is poor. Can't see what's coming up next. The actual cars look ok, but from a graphical point of view, F1 is most definately not "next gen".

3rdDegree

Kevin2006 wrote:

Why do people on here constantly go on about the 360, its annoying. There is a xbox fourm last time I checked.

For the same reason people talk about the PS3 in the Xbox forum. They are making comparrisons between two similar consoles. Don't get so upset just because people use four letter console names instead of three letter ones!

mikeruurds

Aedh Baclamh wrote:

But surely you see the appeal for people with nothing as of yet?

Sure. I don't think that the PS3 is a bad console. If someone hasn't made the move to next gen yet then the PS3 is not a bad choice. I just think that the competition's offering is the better choice at the moment due to the games on offer.

That will change with time as new exclusive titles get released for the PS3.

I prefer rational debate comparing the two competing products rather than rampant fanboyism.