? HK416 vs M4 ?

whufee

whts the main different between HK416 and M4[or M16], i visited UNcompany.com, and a VFC HK416 costs nearly $500, but an M4 just round $300, why it[hk416] so dear?
is that full upgradable? and how it compare with G36s?
thx for teching me ...-_-!
*****************************************
VFC HK416 Airsoft Gun (DX Version)
Built Material: Full Metal with ABS Grip / Stock
Gear Box: VFC Custom Gearbox (Ver.2-Compatible Internal Parts)
Magazine: 300Rds
Length: 684-766mm (D10 RS) / 780-862mm (D145 RS)
Battery: 1700mAh 9.6V PEQ Battery (Not Included)
Muzzle Velocity: 325-335FPS (with 0.2g BBs)
Package Includes: AEG, Magazine, Manual
Features:
Full Metal Construction.
CNC Aluminium Outer Barrel, Solid and Stable.
One-Screw fix/take-down Rail Handguard.
The Rail Handguard which embeds into upper receiver as real steel.
Reality present Gas Piston System.
Cosmetic bolt plte able to lock when pulling cocking handle, returns by pressing Bolt Release Button, easy for hop-up adjustment.
AN/PEQ2 Battery Case Included
Steel Selector Lever / Magazine Catch / Bolt Release.
14.5 & 10 inch Outer Barrel for HK416 D145RS / D10 RS Configuration.
Detachable Front & Rear Sights and Folding Front Sight Included.
Realist
Weight 2970g
Price US$ 505.00

kdouglas

well by the looks of it the hk416 is full metal, whereas the m4 is likely to be abs plastic

whufee

so, just by looking and materials? i mean there is any internal[AEG] advantage of HK416, e.g. more powerful etc...
but thx for replying

kdouglas

cant say for definite cos im not sure which m4 you were comparing it to, but i just had a look at an m4 on uncompany for $299 and it fires at ~285fps i think, the hk416 you have there is 325-335FPS. the hk also seems to have a couple of features which make it more realistic

[--SC(+)PE--]

man the hk416 is just the coolest armalite ever.

Captain Chaos

The HK417 is the beast.:D





They are what I'd hold out for.

whufee

great pics, do u have one? i think only VFC has HK416, isn't it?

Captain Chaos

I don't heave either an M4 or a HK416.

I saw fire-support just got them in stock on Tuesday. They got 4 16'' barrel versions and 4 10'' barrel versions.

I have seen mixed reviews of them.

whufee

from UNcompany, HK416 tag from $450-505, not bad price i think, around 350 euro, what price in fire-support ?

Captain Chaos

Both versions are £350 works out at €517:( without delivery.

whufee

i found some key info about HK416 [frome wikipedia.org]
Key differences from the M4 carbine include:

Cold hammer-forged barrel - Longer-lasting.
Piston-driven action - Much cleaner system. After 30 rounds fired on full automatic the bolt can be handled by the bare hand. [2]
Free-floating fore-end - Can be removed to clean or alter the gun and reassembled in minutes.
New iron sight design.
Comes in four variants (different barrel lengths):
- D10RS (10" barrel)
- D145RS (14.5" barrel)
- D165RS (16.5" barrel)
- D20RS (20" barrel)
Environmental survivability - Can be fired immediately after being submerged in water or buried in sand, [2] and testing by Heckler & Koch shows it can also be fired after being buried in mud!

Captain Chaos

The HK416 is basically a G36 in the body of an M4 or M16 plus its offered in 7.62 aswell as 5.56. There is a 6.8mm version planned.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ObXZMepn3SI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ObWpWXrt9I

Hivemind187

Captain Chaos wrote:

The HK416 is basically a G36 in the body of an M4 or M16 plus its offered in 7.62 aswell as 5.56. There is a 6.8mm version planned.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ObXZMepn3SI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ObWpWXrt9I

Looks more like an M4 with a RAS, long top rail and those awful HK iron sights to me.

Nice, but I prefer the G36 or M733 myself.

liamo333

The ones in the pic look like 7.62 mags.

Captain Chaos

They are the are the HK417s, the second one is using the G3 mags as its an early prototype. The one cloest the camera is the production version.

416s are 5.56
417s are 7.62
418s are 6.8

Then you have Barrett who make the M468, its an M4 chambered for the 6.8SPC using a new upper.

liamo333

Another reason why it is more expensive is cos it has a ris laser box and an ras fornt end. Both of these will cost you around 160US, I think.

dmiesterwzere

guys hope u know that theres another HK 416 airsoft gun(wateva u wanna call it) by Tokyo Marui. its called M-4S System but fires at 285fps as mentioned on one of the comments. not full metal though and worst of all it has Colt not Heckler and Koch markings. they really got it wrong this time but the VFC version looks sweet.:D

Captain Chaos

The M4S system is not a HK 416 nor is it ment to be, it is what it is thats why it has Colt markings on it.

[--SC(+)PE--]

indeed ,looks almost as good but not quite

Wossack

theres a conversion kit for the 416 by hurricane I think, the only other option afaik

Captain Chaos

Wossack wrote:

theres a conversion kit for the 416 by hurricane I think, the only other option afaik

Have you seen the cost it BTW: It would be cheaper to buy the full AEG.

CA should have a 416/417 in the works to go along with there good M15 range.

whufee

yes, but from uncompany, u only pay for 350euro for a HK416 ..wa wa !:D

whufee

i found weblink which is very useful ;D [but all XXXXing chinese]

http://www.combat2000info.com/Article_Show.asp?ArticleID=575

kdouglas

try translate it?

Conclusion : it is of good dogs!

says it all tbh!

o1s1n

kdouglas wrote:

try translate it?



says it all tbh!

HAHAHA ah, excellent.

N.O.I.P.

kdouglas wrote:

try translate it?



says it all tbh!

Not to flog a dead horse here but "Run from the fire apparatus"
Thats some pretty sound advice

Harekin

N.O.I.P. wrote:

Not to flog a dead horse here but "Run from the fire apparatus"
Thats some pretty sound advice

Did noone see this?! "Rousseau's very functional, although the reduction is the true voice of reduction is not as iron bolt, it was at least a step closer in form again, this is also a good design, it is usually more convenient to adjust HOPUP. not always doom link to regulate the holding bolt HOPUP!

HKLOGO end with the child, good sense, but also in the use of time sloshing point, I feel that another weak point!"

What the hell?!

N.O.I.P.

Harekin wrote:

Did noone see this?! "Rousseau's very functional, although the reduction is the true voice of reduction is not as iron bolt, it was at least a step closer in form again, this is also a good design, it is usually more convenient to adjust HOPUP. not always doom link to regulate the holding bolt HOPUP!

HKLOGO end with the child, good sense, but also in the use of time sloshing point, I feel that another weak point!"

What the hell?!

Well if you didn't understand it there really isn't much point in me explaing it to you

CrazyRabbit

N.O.I.P. wrote:

Well if you didn't understand it there really isn't much point in me explaing it to you

Agreed,

I mean all you have to do is translate it into French, then from French to German, then to Dutch, spanish and finally back into english and it makes perfect sense. Duh!

N.O.I.P.

CrazyRabbit wrote:

Agreed,

I mean all you have to do is translate it into French, then from French to German, then to Dutch, spanish and finally back into english and it makes perfect sense. Duh!

No no no no no this will just not do. I will not stand idly by and watch as Rabbit and I agree on something so err Rabbit your wrong about err stuff and things..

Ahh I feel better now

CrazyRabbit

N.O.I.P. wrote:

No no no no no this will just not do. I will not stand idly by and watch as Rabbit and I agree on something so err Rabbit your wrong about err stuff and things..

Ahh I feel better now

I also agree that you are feeling better.

N.O.I.P.

Aaargggggghhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!