No discount from Nissan on list price

Dermo123

Looking to order a new Nissan Qashqai and dealer in Dublin has availability of a very high spec model but is quoting full list price without a discount for being a cash buyer with no trade in. The reason given is
"As there is only one vehicle in stock until September at the earliest I am not in a position to offer a Cash Discount"

Is there any means of negociating a discount. Surely the dealers margin is not lower just because there is a supply problem currently?

Morrismurf

Dermo123 wrote:

Looking to order a new Nissan Qashqai and dealer in Dublin has availability of a very high spec model but is quoting full list price without a discount for being a cash buyer with no trade in. The reason given is
"As there is only one vehicle in stock until September at the earliest I am not in a position to offer a Cash Discount"

Is there any means of negociating a discount. Surely the dealers margin is not lower just because there is a supply problem currently?

I had a similar experience a few weeks back - dealer very bullish due to high demand and low availability. Dealers are claiming very little room for negotiation due to "small" profit margin!! I've a Qashqai on order since they came in here but delivery is unpredictable.

ninty9er

It's simple economics....if you won't pay it someone else will so the dealer's not going to "do a deal" on it

PokerChild

Dermo123 wrote:

Looking to order a new Nissan Qashqai and dealer in Dublin has availability of a very high spec model but is quoting full list price without a discount for being a cash buyer with no trade in. The reason given is
"As there is only one vehicle in stock until September at the earliest I am not in a position to offer a Cash Discount"

Is there any means of negociating a discount. Surely the dealers margin is not lower just because there is a supply problem currently?

It is not a margin issue. Why would they discount?

People discount to make a sale. These Quashqai are in demand and the Dealers are getting good trade ins. Audi A3's for example. VW Golfs.

The dealers have no need to discount. I'd actually expect a price increase at some stage.

whippet

rubbish ... this is a line I have heard before.

the sister in law was buying a new MX5 roadster (folding hard top) .. she was very particular about the colour and spec.

The first dealer gave her that line, huge demand, no availability can't give much of a discount .. €450 off for cash .. no trade in.

She did her homework, spoke to a few dealers around the country and managed to buy the car with a cash discount of €2300 and got the colour she wanted ... she had to pursuade the dealer to do a swap with another down the country.

In fairness I am a sales rep myself (not in cars) but she would have put the frightners on me with her attitude .. but she got the best possible deal and didn't take the dealers word for it.

Stephen

There actually is huge demand for these cars at the moment though, more than there is supply. The dealer knows he won't have to give a discount to make a sale on them.

whippet

that really isn't the case.

There may be high demand .. but if you let the dealer know that you will order it with someone else he will have to start negotiating !!! there maybe limited supply but there is always the factory order etc ..

To say that they will let another dealer get the order with out an effort is stupid !!!

unkel

whippet wrote:

that really isn't the case

It looks like it is. As said, a question of supply and demand. In some cases new cars (usually exotic ones, granted) go for more than the list price to people anxious to jump the waiting list

whippet

it is one thing paying more to jump a waiting list, but if you are willing to wait for the delivery standard negotating terms should apply.

My previous example of the MX 5 is a case in fact, the demand and the supply constraints for that model was an excuse for one main dealer to spout the line about no discounts. however with persistance and the threat of giving the business elsewhere (as she was going to order off someone) got her a nice discount.

unkel

whippet wrote:

if you are willing to wait for the delivery standard negotating terms should apply

What makes you say that? If the dealer reckons he can sell all the cars he can possibly get his hands on this year for the full asking price, why would he give a cent discount?

Owen

whippet wrote:

it is one thing paying more to jump a waiting list, but if you are willing to wait for the delivery standard negotating terms should apply.

My previous example of the MX 5 is a case in fact, the demand and the supply constraints for that model was an excuse for one main dealer to spout the line about no discounts. however with persistance and the threat of giving the business elsewhere (as she was going to order off someone) got her a nice discount.

You can't use the MX5 as a litmus test. There are plenty of cars on the market with no discount. The new X5 coming out this summer for example, and the new M3.

whippet

so what you are saying is that if I walked into dealer A looking for a Qashqai and you are given a cash price of say €30K, no discount. Then you contact a fleet company as a private buyer and get a price of €28K (which is very possible). If you go back to dealer A, will he say 'no discount' and let you call the Fleet company and place the order?

everyone selling a car has a profit margin based on the RRP and it is up to them if they are willing to cut a little off margin for the order or let someone else take the business and wait for the next sucker to pay the list.

bazz26

Dermo123 wrote:

Looking to order a new Nissan Qashqai and dealer in Dublin has availability of a very high spec model but is quoting full list price without a discount for being a cash buyer with no trade in. The reason given is
"As there is only one vehicle in stock until September at the earliest I am not in a position to offer a Cash Discount"

Is there any means of negociating a discount. Surely the dealers margin is not lower just because there is a supply problem currently?

Have you gone to a dealer outside the Big Smoke? I pass my local Nissan dealer everyday on the way to work and he has a couple of brand new Qashqai in stock for the last couple of weeks. If the dealer you went to has only one available then he is in a very strong position to get as much as possible for it. If you are prepared to travel and have a bit of patience then you stand a greater chance of getting a better deal.

Vikings

whippet wrote:

so what you are saying is that if I walked into dealer A looking for a Qashqai and you are given a cash price of say €30K, no discount. Then you contact a fleet company as a private buyer and get a price of €28K (which is very possible). If you go back to dealer A, will he say 'no discount' and let you call the Fleet company and place the order?

everyone selling a car has a profit margin based on the RRP and it is up to them if they are willing to cut a little off margin for the order or let someone else take the business and wait for the next sucker to pay the list.

Think of this from that dealer's perspective for a moment...

You have one car available until September, and there is already interest in it (i.e the OP), there is high demand for this car and an apparent low supply... where is the incentive there to give a discount? He know's he can shift it at list price regardless of any threats from a potential buyer.

Spit62500

It is highly unlikely that the dealer has only one car between now and September. Dealers are occasionally known to exaggerate....

GrumPy

whippet wrote:

that really isn't the case.

There may be high demand .. but if you let the dealer know that you will order it with someone else he will have to start negotiating !!! there maybe limited supply but there is always the factory order etc ..

To say that they will let another dealer get the order with out an effort is stupid !!!

Youv'e obviously never been in sales buddy.

michaelanthony

Dermo123 wrote:

Looking to order a new Nissan Qashqai and dealer in Dublin has availability of a very high spec model but is quoting full list price without a discount for being a cash buyer with no trade in. The reason given is
"As there is only one vehicle in stock until September at the earliest I am not in a position to offer a Cash Discount"

Is there any means of negociating a discount. Surely the dealers margin is not lower just because there is a supply problem currently?

If you can't afford the price, then you shouldn't be wasting their time.

colm_mcm

This is ridiculous. Would you expect a discount off a Playstation 3 on the release date? Of course not. This car is in demand at the moment, and simple supply-and-demand rules apply.

MarkN

michaelanthony wrote:

If you can't afford the price, then you shouldn't be wasting their time.

Ah yes, I've heard salesmen mention people like you before! Stupid enough to pay full price was the general start of it! Will you cop on. :rolleyes:

It all seems a bit odd to me.

The car I own is a lot rarer than any Nissan, I'm not sure anybody had one registered privately when I bought it either as there was so few of them in Ireland and I had no problem getting a discount - I did look outside the Pale however!

gyppo

michaelanthony wrote:

If you can't afford the price, then you shouldn't be wasting their time.

What a stupid blunt statement.:rolleyes:
The OP might be in a position to buy the bloody garage, for all you or I know.
Would you shell out the full asking price on a car without at least looking into the possibility of a discount??

legs11

back up the last poster here, will ye give the OP a break, he was just looking into the possiblily of getting a discount jeez.

of course we all know he wont get a cent off it but worth a shot.

totally OTT, but the SUZUKI add, grand vitara:D

my mum heard it after the late late show earlier, and groans, oh that bloody ad.
then i mentioned people on boards making a show about it, i said to my mum that bloody ad would reduce sales of that vitara than increase em, what clowns.

DonJose

Nissan make a crap car, I don't understand why anybody would queue for a Nissan or even pay over the odds, a Toyota or a Honda yeah, but a Nissan???

Guy:Incognito

DonJose wrote:

Nissan make a crap car, I don't understand why anybody would queue for a Nissan or even pay over the odds, a Toyota or a Honda yeah, but a Nissan???

Your awful irritable tonight arent you. First ninetyniner's sig, now Nissan as a whole, who's next for the wrath stick?

DonJose

Stekelly wrote:

Your awful irritable tonight arent you. First ninetyniner's sig, now Nissan as a whole, who's next for the wrath stick?

Knockmore?

DonJose

Stekelly wrote:

Your awful irritable tonight arent you. First ninetyniner's sig, now Nissan as a whole, who's next for the wrath stick?

Your grammar. LOL

DonJose

Stekelly wrote:

Your awful irritable tonight arent you. First ninetyniner's sig

Well boards.ie isn't a recruitment center for political parties, is it?

Guy:Incognito

You're really stretching out that quote.

I'm sure if it broke rules it'd be gone. Whats the difference between that and people advertiseing anything else through their sigs? Or is it just the fact that it's for FF?

This is getting way OT btw. I'm sure there are whole forums down the back somewhere that you could voice your sig concerns in.

DonJose

OT. Are you from Knockmore?

Guy:Incognito

No

DonJose

OK, then its a different Stephen Kelly I had in mind. Again I don't think Nissan make a good car and I don't think politcal parties should be recruited on boards.ie.

Guy:Incognito

DonJose wrote:

OK, then its a different Stephen Kelly I had in mind. Again I don't think Nissan make a good car and I don't think politcal parties should be recruited on boards.ie.

There are a few of us knocking around.

Depends on your definition of good. Nobody makes a perfect car or else everyone would be driveing it.

In a dictatorship your opinion doesnt matter.

colm_mcm

Give it a year and they'll be discounting it as heavily as the rest of the range. ANyone remember the big fuss there was about the Nissan Note? Now look at it!

Spit62500

Its true - they'll be dumping pre-registered ones into the auction houses as they've done with the Almera and Primera and the residual values will plummet. I got badly burnt on a Primera Accenta and I'd never, ever buy another Nissan as a result. It could be a great car but if it depreciates as fast as something far more expensive (and better) then why buy it?

colm_mcm

most of the excitement about the Qashqai is thanks to the huge advertising spend.

PokerChild

colm_mcm wrote:

most of the excitement about the Qashqai is thanks to the huge advertising spend.

I'd disagree. It is a beautiful vehicle in the flesh. Mini Murano from the front... and like a golf on steroids from the back. One of the best looking vehicles out there. And it is pulling people out of high end golfs. A3's mini's Beetles BMW1's Merc A's
People who have 25 - 30ish grand to spend are going for this vehicle. The only market it is not effecting are those who require Fleet type saloons. 3&5 series/passet types.

Thats just my take on it.

colm_mcm

time will tell !

MarkN

PokerChild wrote:

it is pulling people out of high end golfs. A3's

In fairness now PC a high end Golf/A3 is a GTI, R32 or S3 and I really don't see how in the slightest that Nissan can compete with either of the three.

350 aside (and even that has a Renault engine) I really don't think Nissan have any desirable cars. When was the last time a Nissan drove past you and you thought, f**k I would LOVE one of them.

I think the OP should just shop around. I got the same rubbish off some woman in Foster Motors about no discounts on S3s and I went elsewhere.

legs11

well i would never buy a nissan quagmire, oh sorry, too much family guy...:rolleyes:

people get sucked into the advertising hype im sure, advertising is a power full medium!
for 20 or 30 grand there is a whole host of sexy cars out there i would have to say, and as people pointed out the only nissan which falls into this category is a 350z, dont think the op is interested in this marque somehow:eek:

Guy:Incognito

MarkN wrote:

350 aside (and even that has a Renault engine) I really don't think Nissan have any desirable cars. When was the last time a Nissan drove past you and you thought, f**k I would LOVE one of them.

Very few family cars will have anybody thinking "**** i would love one of those"as it drives past

unkel

MarkN wrote:

The car I own is a lot rarer than any Nissan

Rarity is irrelevant in terms of potential discount. Supply and demand are all there is to it. Supply and demand of an Audi S3 are bot very low. Supply of said Nissan is low, demand is high

MarkN wrote:

I had no problem getting a discount

On a 2 liter glorified VW with a list price only a couple a grand short of a BMW 335Ci? I'd reckon there is some scope for a discount there indeed

PokerChild

MarkN wrote:

In fairness now PC a high end Golf/A3 is a GTI, R32 or S3 and I really don't see how in the slightest that Nissan can compete with either of the three.

350 aside (and even that has a Renault engine) I really don't think Nissan have any desirable cars. When was the last time a Nissan drove past you and you thought, f**k I would LOVE one of them.

I think the OP should just shop around. I got the same rubbish off some woman in Foster Motors about no discounts on S3s and I went elsewhere.

Sorry my use of "high end" was not really for the VW stable....more other cheaper franchises. Ford Focus etc. A base 1.9 tdi golf is about 24,000 and that was more the punter i meant. High end golfs are about 40,000 :eek:

overdriver

unkel wrote:

What makes you say that? If the dealer reckons he can sell all the cars he can possibly get his hands on this year for the full asking price, why would he give a cent discount?

To make a one-time customer a returning, lifetime customer, perhaps? typical of today's Ireland, people not looking at the long-term picture.

I had the same experience with an expensive piece of studio equipment. The guy in Walton's gave me the same line. So I got a discount elsewhere and brought the machine by on my way home to show him.

Guy:Incognito

overdriver wrote:

To make a one-time customer a returning, lifetime customer, perhaps? typical of today's Ireland, people not looking at the long-term picture.

Is the person coming in behind you willing to pay the full asking price not also a possible one-time customer that could become a lifetime one?

overdriver

But if the car's still there, the buyer you speak of obviously isn't. Simple as that, really.

RE ninety9er's sig. If more people had sigs like mine, it would be a nice balance, methinks.

Guy:Incognito

overdriver wrote:

RE ninety9er's sig. If more people had sigs like mine, it would be a nice balance, methinks.

I want to complain and have your sig deleted, this isnt an anti political party recruitment website.:)

MarkN

Unkel - you can't even get a sport in a 3 coupe yet, never mind adding leather, decent wheels, metallic and an auto box and the list price of a 335ci is quite a lot different to my car - I looked at the 3 series quite a bit. But there's a big long thread somewhere for all that!

My point is, if one dealer is being difficult, it doesn't mean you can't shop around. Dublin dealers say Audi TTs are rare on the ground yet there's plenty of them available pretty much immediately, outside of Dublin.

overdriver

Stekelly wrote:

I want to complain and have your sig deleted, this isnt an anti political party recruitment website.:)

See, balance!! I like it!

unkel

MarkN wrote:

Unkel - you can't even get a sport in a 3 coupe yet

Was only messing, Mark

Hope you're enjoying your new ride

CivilServant

MarkN wrote:

In fairness now PC a high end Golf/A3 is a GTI, R32 or S3 and I really don't see how in the slightest that Nissan can compete with either of the three.

350 aside (and even that has a Renault engine) I really don't think Nissan have any desirable cars. When was the last time a Nissan drove past you and you thought, f**k I would LOVE one of them.

I think the OP should just shop around. I got the same rubbish off some woman in Foster Motors about no discounts on S3s and I went elsewhere.

Most people couldn't give a toss about engine size, as with the growth of the celtic tiger, people are more concerned with looks. And this thing looks like a mini suv, aggressive and not overly enormous. The shape is much more stylish and pleasing than a boxy A3, a boring VW and just plain wrong bmw1.

I also went into the local dealer and they gave no discounts either no trade cash only, so demand is far outstripping supply at this moment in time. I'll try again later.

It's got a lot of nice features at this pricepoint, paranoramic roof, gadgets, blue tooth, cruise control, parking sensors, etc. For the money it's better than anything else out there IMO. If you're looking for practicality, looks, and gadgets the qashqai fits the bill.

copacetic

CivilServant wrote:

Most people couldn't give a toss about engine size, as with the growth of the celtic tiger, people are more concerned with looks. And this thing looks like a mini suv, aggressive and not overly enormous. The shape is much more stylish and pleasing than a boxy A3, a boring VW and just plain wrong bmw1.

I also went into the local dealer and they gave no discounts either no trade cash only, so demand is far outstripping supply at this moment in time. I'll try again later.

Have to disagree with this, I wouldn't call it at all stylish. Its ok at best but looks a bit silly to me. I especially hate all the cheap looking plastic on show, looks like they were trying to copy the X3 or something which looks terrible too.

I'm am biased, but I don't know how you can call the A3 boxy and like the Qashqai?
It's much more 'boxy' looking, at least to my eye..

CivilServant

copacetic wrote:

Have to disagree with this, I wouldn't call it at all stylish. Its ok at best but looks a bit silly to me. I especially hate all the cheap looking plastic on show, looks like they were trying to copy the X3 or something which looks terrible too.

I'm am biased, but I don't know how you can call the A3 boxy and like the Qashqai?
It's much more 'boxy' looking, at least to my eye..

To each his own, but I'd say the qashqai has more curves than the A3. Also it's brand new whereas the A3 is four years old and getting a bit long in the tooth now.