Buying a renault laguna?

cold_filter

Ok guys thinking about buying a renault laguna 2001-2002 any one have advice for me?

rockdrummer

Hey,

I bought a 2001 laguna in Spetember 2005 ! So far so good, just a few annoyances:

1. tyre pressure sensors keep going off !
2. Car sometimes doesnt start, may have this problem once every few months. But eventually I get it started after 5 - 10 mins. Had battery changed but didnt help, it may be damp or cold, but in saying that its started on wet and cold mornings aswell. As i say it doesnt happen very often. Someone said it may be starter motor going, but ive had this problem for about 1 year now and it aint got any worse !!!
3. I bought mine for €7250 plus trade in of about €1500, so thats €8750. I went to alot of garages that were selling them for 10, 12 grand !! so watch out. I got mine in Brian Reynolds Motors in Drogheda.

Its a very nice car to drive, and the interior is class....

cold_filter

Thanks for the tips, how many miles were on it when you both it?
Any other electrical problems with it?

BrianD3

Oh dear, another one of these threads OP, a 2001 new shape Laguna has a rep for being troublesome however
a) a lot of what's said is exaggerated pub talk BS
b) on a 2001 car most build quality and electronic probelms should have occured by now and been fixed by previous owners if they're going to occur.

Check that EVERYTHING works. Pay attention to the backlight on the climate control display if fitted. The backlight is a common fault and if it goes you won't be able to read the climate control display when it's dark. Get a warranty and if possible get someone to put the car up on a lift and check for play/wear in the ball joints, track rods and rear suspension beam mounting bushes.

cold_filter

BrianD3 wrote:

Oh dear, another one of these threads OP, a 2001 new shape Laguna has a rep for being troublesome however
a) a lot of what's said is exaggerated pub talk BS
b) on a 2001 car most build quality and electronic probelms should have occured by now and been fixed by previous owners if they're going to occur.

Check that EVERYTHING works. Pay attention to the backlight on the climate control display if fitted. The backlight is a common fault and if it goes you won't be able to read the climate control display when it's dark. Get a warranty and if possible get someone to put the car up on a lift and check for play/wear in the ball joints, track rods and rear suspension beam mounting bushes.

Yeah i've read that about the electronics but as you say most should have occured by now.

how expensive is it to replace the backlight if it goes?
A mate is a mechanic and he'll come check it out with me, though i haven't told him i want to buy a laguna yet!

Owen

Don't do it. Whatever about the marginal reliability, they depreciate like nobody's business. As Junkyard says "Renault? I'd rather stick pins in my eyes".

BrianD3

Don't know how much the backlight is as I got mine done under warranty. I would guess that it is dear though.

If you look on ebay there is a guy selling instructions on how to dismantle and fix your faulty climate control display with a soldering iron. It's only a matter of time before this "secret" information gets into the public domain (if it hasn't already)

BrianD3

ned78 wrote:

they depreciate like nobody's business.

Which is precisely why the OP *should* consider buying a 2nd hand one.

cold_filter

I'm not too bothered about depreciation, my last 2 cars have been fiats, you get them cheap and then sell them on cheap so the loss isn't huge

old boy

check the air con blows cold, also the heater blows hot, drive it over a rough roar or a field if poss, any rattles forget it, but then your mate should know all this, but after this he may be your ex mate after this

Stephen

One of the guys in work bought a 2003 diesel one last year. Less than a week later the turbo died on it, producing massive clouds of white smoke :eek:

Luckily it was bought from a dealer and covered under warranty.

BrianD3

I'd be of the opinion that the 1.6 petrol may be more reliable than the diesels. Diesels seem to have some turbo problems also there are reports of problems with the 6 speed gearbox which is fitted to some of the diesels. OTOH the 1.6 petrol with the 5 speed box has been around for about 10 years and is well tried and trusted.

The same may be true of other cars which are available in a modern turbodiesel and in a petrol version.

Do try to get your mate to have a look at it on a lift. The ball joints etc. cannot be properly tested on the ground.

Also if the car has the 17 inch alloys, look for buckling from hitting Irish potholes.

junkyard

Repairs are quite expensive too and very frequent. Suspension bushes are a regular problem and the N.C.T. test centres will have a field day with you regarding them. Electrics are a disaster area and I've also seen many problems with water leaks and of course, electric windows also need to be replaced on a regular basis. There are loads of other cars you could chose from that won't give you the trouble a Renault will.

colm_mcm

Not like you to be anti-renault, junkyard

dil999

Why the Laguna? There a plenty of more reliable cars out there in that class. The Mondeo, Passat the Avensis the Mazda 6 you might pay 500 to 1500 more, but I think it might be money well spent.

colm_mcm

In the Laguna's defense, it's still in production and spec and comfort levels are high. That said, it'd be near the bottom of my list in that class.

Owen

BrianD3 wrote:

Which is precisely why the OP *should* consider buying a 2nd hand one.

Do you think the merry-go-round of depreciation will stop just because he's the second, or third owner? They're a bad investment. Full Stop.

louie

I'll choose Toyota or Audi.
had Laguna before, and it was confortable indeed but did give a lot of trouble as well.
Before that had a Previa (Toyota) for 6 years and beside service never gave any troubles.

bazz26

ned78 wrote:

Do you think the merry-go-round of depreciation will stop just because he's the second, or third owner? They're a bad investment. Full Stop.

In fairness a 2001 Laguna probably has already suffered most of it's high depreciation by now.

They probably have one of the highest specifications in this class but you have to make sure that everything works when buying and get as much warranty as possible.

Guy:Incognito

ned78 wrote:

Do you think the merry-go-round of depreciation will stop just because he's the second, or third owner? They're a bad investment. Full Stop.

At this stage it's already a 6 year (or 5 if he goes for 02) old car. Assuming he keeps it for at least 1 -2 years its then a 7 -8 year old car and worth very little regardless of what it is.

Owen

bazz26 wrote:

In fairness a 2001 Laguna probably has already suffered most of it's high depreciation by now.

You'd think that, but when you look at Carzone, you can still see that 2001 Lagunas, with average mileage are attempting to sell at between 7-9 grand. There's a lot of depreciation yet to go in those puppies. Even an ownership period of 6 months could cost the OP anything up to 5 grand depending on the margin of the replacement car they choose.

bazz26 wrote:

They probably have one of the highest specifications in this class

That's completely dependent on the model. Prestige seems to be the one with Half Leather (But I stand to be corrected), only other bit of kit they'd have over a similar, less depreciating, and more reliable marque, is Aircon. That'll probably break anyway. For 7-8 grand, you could buy something much more worthwhile.

bazz26

ned78 wrote:

You'd think that, but when you look at Carzone, you can still see that 2001 Lagunas, with average mileage are attempting to sell at between 7-9 grand. There's a lot of depreciation yet to go in those puppies. Even an ownership period of 6 months could cost the OP anything up to 5 grand depending on the margin of the replacement car they choose.



That's completely dependent on the model. Prestige seems to be the one with Half Leather (But I stand to be corrected), only other bit of kit they'd have over a similar, less depreciating, and more reliable marque, is Aircon. That'll probably break anyway. For 7-8 grand, you could buy something much more worthwhile.

I agree for €7k - €9k you could buy something more reliable but I would not pay that kind of money for a 2001 Laguna. As you know there can be a huge difference between asking prices and selling prices and there can be some really silly asking prices on the likes of carzone.

I think €6k is more realistic for a 2001 new shape Laguna imo. Given that depreciation on your average new car of the same size is about €3k to €4k between now and this time next year, I cannot see the 2001 loosing more than another €2.5k over the same period so if the OP picks up a clean trouble free one then they have saved a few quid. Saying that there is the higher potential of having to spend the savings on repair bills. It's all swings and roundabouts really.

BrianD3

ned78 wrote:

You'd think that, but when you look at Carzone, you can still see that 2001 Lagunas, with average mileage are attempting to sell at between 7-9 grand. There's a lot of depreciation yet to go in those puppies. Even an ownership period of 6 months could cost the OP anything up to 5 grand depending on the margin of the replacement car they choose.

Ned78, get real. Depreciation is not a major issue on a 6 year old Renault or on any other family car of this age. Compare the price drop on carzone for a 2001 to a 1999 laguna, now do the same for the Avensis, Mondeo, Passat etc.

Saying that a 6 year old Laguna could drop 5 grand in six months is possibly the most ridiculous thing I've read on this forum. If as you say someone decides to trade in a Laguna against a low profit margin car after 6 months then yes they will probably get a poor trade in, but it won't be anywhere near a 5 grand loss unless they paid way above market price for the Laguna in the first place.

In any case, the margin on any car they part exchange the Laguna against has nothing to do with the Laguna. It's like saying if you p/ex a MINI against a new Toyota Aygo you'll get a worse trade in than if you trade in against against a new Pug 607, therefore the MINI is a crap investment. Awful rubbish.

That's completely dependent on the model. Prestige seems to be the one with Half Leather (But I stand to be corrected), only other bit of kit they'd have over a similar, less depreciating, and more reliable marque, is Aircon.

The Prestige is the Laguna estate, the Supersport trim level is the one with the half leather seats. And yes the Laguna is better equipped than others in this class in both base models and higher models and I'm not just talking about them having aircon

That'll probably break anyway.

And someone who drives a MINI is probably a tosser. Aren't flippant generalisations great :rolleyes:

Owen

BrianD3 wrote:

Ned78, get real. Depreciation is not a major issue on a 6 year old Renault or on any other family car of this age.

I've clearly provided examples of Renault Lagunas from 2001 where people are asking 8 grand for them. And I know, if someone came to me with one, the most I'd get bid from the trade is between 2-3.5 grand for one. So .. naturally, depending on the market, if you're looking at another second hand car, your allowance could be anywhere from 3 grand to 5 depending on what you're buying.

BrianD3 wrote:

Saying that a 6 year old Laguna could drop 5 grand in six months is possibly the most ridiculous thing I've read on this forum.

Get a job in the Motor Trade, learn the way the Irish market operates, and come back to me.

BrianD3 wrote:

it won't be anywhere near a 5 grand loss unless they paid way above market price for the Laguna in the first place.

Isn't that what we're all trying to tell the OP? That as a rule of thumb, that Renaults are overpriced second hand and unreliable?

BrianD3 wrote:

And someone who drives a MINI is probably a tosser. Aren't flippant generalisations great :rolleyes:

Well done on such a post, and turning what was my attempt at helping out the OP, and making it a personal assault. Nearly everyone on this thread has either told the OP not to do it, or if he does decide to go Renault, to go through it with a fine tooth comb, as they're prone to failures - you yourself have posted three times detailing problems with the vehicle.

Obviously, the logical thing to do is take the money, and put it into a less depreciating marque, and one that you're confident will work when you turn the key every morning. This post is not an attack on you BrianD3, but really, when you sit down and logically think it through, unless you're French, there's just no good reason to buy a 2001 Laguna, at that period of their manufacturing, they were terrible.

BrianD3

ned78 wrote:

I've clearly provided examples of Renault Lagunas from 2001 where people are asking 8 grand for them. And I know, if someone came to me with one, the most I'd get bid from the trade is between 2-3.5 grand for one. So .. naturally, depending on the market, if you're looking at another second hand car, your allowance could be anywhere from 3 grand to 5 depending on what you're buying.

Shock horror - many carzone asking prices are too high and trade prices are less than retail prices. I suppose the Laguna is the only car to which this applies :rolleyes:

Maybe you'd have had a better argument if you'd said "don't pay top carzone prices" instead of saying "they're a bad investment. Full Stop"

Anyway If you look more carefully at carzone ned, you will find that there are 2001 Lagunas for about 5 grand on there and there are others less than that.

Get a job in the Motor Trade, learn the way the Irish market operates, and come back to me.

I've a good idea how The Trade operates. I've also a pretty good idea that there are vested interests in this forum who's main purpose seems to be to bash various marques at every opportunity while praising the particular one that they're selling.

Also who are these people buying Lagunas for 2.5-3k and then attempting to flog them on carzone for 9k? Yes that's right - car dealers. So forgive me if I don't pay much heed to what you or anyone else from The Trade says. I'd rather stick pins in my eyes than seek objective advice from a car dealer.

Well done on such a post, and turning what was my attempt at helping out the OP,

TBH it doesn't sound like you were trying to help at all rather to "bash" a particular marque. In your haste to criticise you made a silly statement about depreciation which myself and others have pulled you up on.

colm_mcm

buy one at the right money and you're laughing. (presuming it doesn't break too much )

Owen

BrianD3 wrote:

I've a good idea how The Trade operates. I've also a pretty good idea that there are vested interests in this forum who's main purpose seems to be to bash various marques at every opportunity while praising the particular one that they're selling. TBH it doesn't sound like you were trying to help at all rather to "bash" a particular marque.

How dare you assume my motives. How dare you assume I'm out to bash a brand, and most important of all, how dare you accuse me of promoting my brand above others. Not once in this thread have I tried to sell the OP anything. I've stated on this forum that the Renault Clio is a superb car many many times, so obviously, it's not all Renaults I'm set against. You obviously don't know how the Motor Trade works, and have a small minded cynical view of Dealers to boot. Myself, Junkyard, and Colm_MCM are all Dealers, and we do out bit in here helping people out when they need it. Naturally, I'll give advice on BMWs and MINIs, my PM Inbox will testify to this. And contrary to what you think, it's not for my own gains. I was helping a girl on here last week to decide what spec MINI she should buy from my compeditor, and guess what? She bought there. And I'm genuinely happy to see someone else happy, it's not all about profit.

BrianD3 wrote:

Also who are these people buying Lagunas for 2.5-3k and then attempting to flog them on carzone for 9k? Yes that's right - car dealers.

Well 10/10 for pointing out the obvious. If you, using your own money, had to sell a Laguna on in the morning, you'd be damned sure you'd put a hefty chunk of profit in there, because when the car decides to calve on a Saturday night, it's out of your pocket that the warranty must be covered, that the recovery truck must be paid, and that the repair work must be carried out. And that's just for one breakdown.

BrianD3 wrote:

Anyway If you look more carefully at carzone ned, you will find that there are 2001 Lagunas for about 5 grand on there and there are others less than that.

Carzone is not a used car price yardstick. People can place cars on that site and ask whatever they want, it doesn't mean they're going to get it. You're dead right, there are Lagunas on Carzone for 5k and under. There's 3 in total, and they're 90000 Miles, 124000 Miles, and 129000 Miles. You're welcome to them.

BrianD3 wrote:

In your haste to criticise you made a silly statement about depreciation which myself and others have pulled you up on.

As a Dealer, and most of my mates in the trade will concur, we all cringe when we see a Laguna coming in the forecourt. We know we're going to have to make dozens of phonecalls to find trade buyers who will actually underwrite the cars at relatively decent money. That experience of actually pricing Lagunas, and dealing with their owners gives me a bit more knowledge on the matter than you. So you'll see, I didn't actually make either a 'silly statement', or post in 'haste' - this is my real world experience in the matter, as opposed to your speculation.

If you're the type of person who can't take impartial advice from someone actually employed in the Motor Trade, can only bring confrontation to a debate, and assume your outside view of things is more accurate, than you don't deserve it in the first place. The OP however, does, and in my professional opinion, they should spend their money on something else. A nice Mondeo, Passat, or an Avensis would suit perfectly.

BrianD3

I don't know whether you have a specific vested interest in bashing Renault cars or not. Can't prove it either way. But I'm not going to stay quiet when you post what I consider wrong information without pulling you up on it.

Hopefully now others will be able to read this thread and decide for themselves whether buying a 6 year old Renault is a "bad investment. Full Stop"

edit: nice edit there. I can't be bothered responding to you anymore. I'l let others make up their minds here. PS mentioning "junkyard" as a shining example of the motor trade may not help your case. This is the guy who was trying to flog a Laguna in his signature one month and the next month was telling everyone that that he'd rather stick pins in his eyes :rolleyes: Is it any wonder that people are cynical

I'll question your motives if I bloody well want. Read the charter - it specifically mentions that ther may be vested interests in the forum.

As for buying Passats etc. Check ****ing carzone that you're so fond of quoting and point out the prices for those. I suppose if you buy a Passat on carzone for 10k you can sell it in the trade for 9k the next day. Whereas if you buy a Laguna for 7k you'll lose 5k off it straightaway. As I said earlier - get real.

Owen

BrianD3 wrote:

I don't know whether you have a specific vested interest in bashing Renault cars or not

Now you're backpedaling. You specifically accused me of bashing a marque to suit my own interests. Here, let me show you :

BrianD3 wrote:

TBH it doesn't sound like you were trying to help at all rather to "bash" a particular marque

BrianD3 wrote:

Hopefully now others will be able to read this thread and decide for themselves whether buying a 6 year old Renault is a "bad investment. Full Stop"

The only place they'll get that quote from, is you. Hopefully now others will be able to read this thread and decide for themselves whether buying a 6 year old Laguna is a "bad investment. Full Stop"

Owen

BrianD3 wrote:

I'll question your motives if I bloody well want.

Now that you've edited your post, I'd better reply again. So, how about you post what you do for a living, and let me accuse you of not doing your job properly? You have no right to accuse me, or Junkyard, or any other poster of anything without evidence.

BrianD3 wrote:

Read the charter - it specifically mentions that ther may be vested interests in the forum.

Yes, the Charter specifically mentions that. But the Charter stating that there might be vested interests, and you going out of your way to accuse me are two different things. Here are some items that apply to you, is there a reason you choose to ignore them?

Motors Forum Charter wrote:

*No personal attacks on other members
*Repeated occurrances of “that’s crap” or “you muppet” and other abusive comments in posts will result in a warning and then a good hard banning. If a moderator feels that it is warranted then a ban may apply following just one such comment.
*Back up your statements - if you make a bold statement then please provide some kind of evidence to back up what you are saying.

BrianD3 wrote:

As for buying Passats etc. Check ****ing carzone that you're so fond of quoting and point out the prices for those.

Can't you have a debate without resorting to expletives? I'd be delighted to check out Carzone for vehicles I personally feel would be a better purchase for the OP in terms of reliability and future residual values.

Here's a 2001, 60000 Mile Mondeo for € 6950 :
http://www.usedcars.ie/usedcars/index.cfm?fuseaction=car&carID=636153

Here's a 2001, 65000 Mile Passat Comfortline for € 7500 :
http://www.usedcars.ie/usedcars/index.cfm?fuseaction=car&carID=629039

Here's a 2001, 62000 Mile Avensis for € 7450 :
http://www.usedcars.ie/usedcars/index.cfm?fuseaction=car&carID=635924

dil999

I am not in the motor trade, I have no vested interest in an brand, I drive a mondeo and have driven them for the last 7 years.

From people I know who have had Lagunas its almost impossible to recommend them to anybody. The mondeo, the passat, the mazda 6, the avensis are far superior and much more reliable. GO have a look and a drive in some of them. Its a buyers market.

If you do pay 7K to 8K for a 2001 laguana you may find that you wont be able to sell it at all after a year. I had a 6yo Citroen Xantia and I couldn't get a penny for it. I ended up trading it in agianst a new mondeo for the cash discount (i.e I got nothing for it) So I'd have to agree with ned on this one

The French make great wines, but there not so good on the engineering front.

dil999

Don't think they actually make the wimmin ned. But definitely good:D

BrianD3

Seeing as Ned78 is avoiding the question about how 2nd hand Lagunas depreciate compared to class rivals I've done my own survey of carzone prices

VW Passat 1.6.
2001 cars - majority are 8-9k but one joker (a dealer) is looking for 16 grand and there are 3 other cars 10-12k
1999 cars - majority are about 5k with one each at around 6, 7, 8.

Avensis 1.6
2001 cars - majority of cars 7-9k
1999 cars - majority of cars 4-5k

Mondeo 1.8 petrol
2001 cars - majority of cars 7-9k
1999 cars - one car approx 2.5k

Laguna 1.6
2001 - majority of cars 6-8k
1999 - majority of cars 3-4.5k

It should be noted that the Mondeo and Laguna had all new models in that time period so should be at a disadvantage for depreciation compared to the other two. As can be seen however, there is no evidence to suggest that Lagunas of this age are any worse for depreciation than any of the others. And in fact going by asking prices on carone, if any car tends to be overpriced on carzone and therefore a potential bad investment, it's the Passat.

Now I'll do a comparison using the ROS VRT calculator. I picked out 2002-2001 Laguna IIs to avoid any discepancy with changing models. For comparsion I picked the facelifted Passat

Laguna II 1.6 Authentique 2002 60k open market selling price 7184
Laguna II 1.6 Authentique 2001 72k open market selling price 5575

Passat 1.6 base 2002 60k open market selling price 8713
Passat 1.6 base 2001 72k open market selling price 6917

I'll let the results speak for themselves.

colm_mcm

Not an exact science, using the revenue's guess-ometer and carzone's optimism.
If I had a 01 Laguna, I'd ask plenty for it to cover inevitable costs or to be able to offer decent trade in to make the deal more attractive.

BrianD3

colm_mcm wrote:

Not an exact science, using the revenue's guess-ometer and carzone's optimism.
If I had a 01 Laguna, I'd ask plenty for it to cover inevitable costs or to be able to offer decent trade in to make the deal more attractive.

Not an exact science colm - but a helluva lot better than people making sweeping statements on the internet.

The carzone prices are certainly optimistic but they are at least close to being "like-for-like" so can be compared to each other if nothing else. The Revenue prices can also be compared to each other and do make sense - given perceptions in ths country it's reasonable that a 2002 Passat base is worth 1500+ quid more than a Laguna authentique even if the Passat is an obsolete model and the Laguna is still in production (albeit facelifted)

As for reliability, Passats that are being recommended in the thread aren't the most relaible things in the world either. And the Avensis that was recomended by Ned has been obsolete for 4 years and when the next Avensis comes out (2 years time?) will be obsolete by 2 generations. You could also mention the fact that a 2001 Laguna has a 5 star NCAP rating which is ahead of anything else in the same year/class/price range and it is certainly better equipped than others in the same price range even if Ned78 seems to think it isn't

dil999

Unfortunately with Carzone you have no idea if those cars are selling at those prices. With my 6 yo Xantia I had it up for 6 months at around £3k when they were selling for around £18K new. I didn't get one offer. alot of the 99 cars for 4K will never sell at those price. (although that being said there since is a new demographic in Ireland that probably changes the market for cars priced in that range)

Revenue's prices are there for the sole purpose of calculating VRT. The prices they use will maximise that tax

The real problem with buying a 2001 laguna is not the depreciation its that is not a patch on the other cars previously mentioned in terms of reliability, performance and handling.

BrianD3

dil999 wrote:

is not a patch on the other cars previously mentioned in terms of reliability, performance and handling.

That's BS. Not a patch in terms of performance or handling? We're talking about the Toyota Avensis and VW Passat here. The Laguna handles at least as well as those two but not as good as the Mondeo, in any case most owners in this class couldn't give a toss about what are small differences in handling.

Performance of the Laguna is if anything above average for the class. Check for yourself the bhp of the 1.6 Laguna compared to the 1.6 Passat or the 1.8 LX Mondeo.

As for reliability I will concede that Avensis is probably ahead but no way will I concede that a feckin Passat is ahead. VW are fast acquiring a reputation for poor reliability. Everyone I know with a Passat has had a litany of problems with them.

Re: carzone prices - they're ALL overpriced on there. And revenue maximising taxes has SFA to do with whether the Renault Laguna is a crap car or not.

Anyhow, I am fed up of this boring thread. Good luck.

cold_filter

Sorry guys i didn't realise my car question would cause such a debate!!
Thanks for all the advice,

One thing that seems common place are peoples views on the reliability of the laguna, having 2 fiats and being very sick of pumping money into a car is not what i want to do. The reason why i picked the laguna is i drove by one for sale in south dublin last week and just dropped in to have a look, i was impressed with the spec and the price isn't bad it only has 50k miles on it.

Saying that when i told my friend i was thinking of buying a laguna, he said "it will have problems but not as many as your fiat"

The chances of me getting a laguna are now pretty slim im sure much to the chagrin of the dealer!!

dil999

BrianD3 wrote:

That's BS.

Ah! you are the same bloke from the roundabout thread I thought I recognised the unique writing style.

The mondeo 1.8 has the same PS as the 1.6 laguna and 17 Nm extra torque => more performance. The reliability one is obviously a liitle more subjective but the "what car reliability survey" puts renault in 25th of 30 behind toyota (3rd) VW (15th) and Ford (20th)

or have a look at this:

http://www.reliabilityindex.co.uk/man_index_2.html?apc=3128339010848601&searchtype=relindex
or this
http://corp.jdpower.com/jdpcc/global/uk/ukpvs/ukPowerVehicleSelector.jsp

Maybe everyone you know with a passat is very unlucky.

briand3 wrote:

And revenue maximising taxes has SFA to do with whether the Renault Laguna is a crap car or not.

You brought up the revenues prices

It would be nice to be able to post in these forums without being told the post are "BS" when they clearly aren't or that we are posting because we have some vested business interest etc, when we clearly dont.

regards
Dil

dil999

cold_filter wrote:

The chances of me getting a laguna are now pretty slim im sure much to the chagrin of the dealer!!

You weren't buying it of Briand3 by any chance

johnnyrotten

Had a Laguna Supersport '02.

It was a very comfortable, Safe car.....BUT......Heavy on juice, loads of electrical problems, unbelievable depreciation

cold_filter

nope!! I'm trying to decide what to buy now, my gf would like me to get a santa fe a 01-02, im not sure if i should start a thread about that,,,

cold_filter

johnnyrotten wrote:

Had a Laguna Supersport '02.

It was a very comfortable, Safe car.....BUT......Heavy on juice, loads of electrical problems, unbelievable depreciation

what was the most expensive elc problem johnny?

dil999

cold_filter wrote:

nope!! I'm trying to decide what to buy now, my gf would like me to get a santa fe a 01-02, im not sure if i should start a thread about that,,,

have a look at the jd power link in the rant, (sorry post) i posted a few minutes ago its a good starting point. also parker.co.uk and whatcar.co.uk are 2 very good sites.

regds
Dil

Mahatma coat

I had a Laguna 1, lovely car, very comfy no mechanical or electrical faults to think of, this then prompted my mother to buy a Laguna 11 also a lovely car with no problems or faults like.

to the OP -- now I'm not massivley into marque bashin meself, almost all manufacturers have some redeemin features-- but, a Fckn Santa Fe aw come on yer just trying to get people to say nasty things aret you

junkyard

BrianD3 wrote:

PS mentioning "junkyard" as a shining example of the motor trade may not help your case. This is the guy who was trying to flog a Laguna in his signature one month and the next month was telling everyone that that he'd rather stick pins in his eyes :rolleyes: Is it any wonder that people are cynical

I had the misfortune to trade in a 01 Laguna which I eventually sold at a loss (3200 euros) this is one of the reasons I've been trying to warn people off buying them and the minefield of problems that go with them. And ned, from what I've read of BrianD3's posts I wouldn't get too concerned, it seems to me that his opinion is the only one that matters as far as he's concerned anyway.:) Any of the other guys in the motor trade on here have given expert advice and helped people out and offered advice and I'm sure, will continue to do so. So much so that I often learn a lot here and I'm 30 years working in the motor trade myself.

Owen

Funnily enough BrianD3, I wasn't avoiding anything - I was actually out for the day with herself seeing as it was a bank holiday and all. You've proven your ignorance of the Market by using Carzone as a defacto guide for second hand prices (And to use your own term, accompanied it with many many 'sweeping statements'), where as I, and many others, just used it to point out what alternative deals are available. It's even more humourous to hear you contradict yourself over and over again. Lets see what you did wrong this time

BrianD3 wrote:

carzone prices - they're ALL overpriced on there.

Setting yourself up for a fall ...

BrianD3 wrote:

I've done my own survey of carzone prices

... and here it is. If Carzone is so out, why are you using it as a reference?

BrianD3 wrote:

The carzone prices ... they are at least close to being "like-for-like"

How in God's name do you come to a conclusion like that? There is no car or price like-for-like on Carzone, people are free to ask whatever they want, whether it's too much or too little. You might as well use the Buy and Sell as a reference.

BrianD3 wrote:

Anyhow, I am fed up of this boring thread. Good luck.

In other words, you're wrong.

The Motor Trade would grind to a halt in the morning if Johnny-down-the-road asked 25000 for a 98 Laguna, and that meant every garage had to aswell (Cause you know, Carzone is always right :rolleyes: ). If you want to see an example of a well thought-out and accurate post, just look at dil999's and learn from that.

Regardless, all your whining and personal assaults have come to naught. The OP has chosen to ignore your advice - if you can call it that - and stay away from Lagunas.

BrianD3

ned78 wrote:

Funnily enough BrianD3, I wasn't avoiding anything - I was actually out for the day with herself seeing as it was a bank holiday and all.

Good for you.

You've proven your ignorance of the Market by using Carzone as a defacto guide for second hand prices (And to use your own term, accompanied it with many many 'sweeping statements'), where as I, and many others, just used it to point out what alternative deals are available.

Who was the first one to start talking about carzone

ned78 wrote:

they depreciate like nobody's business

then

ned78 wrote:

when you look at Carzone, you can still see that 2001 Lagunas, with average mileage are attempting to sell at between 7-9 grand. There's a lot of depreciation yet to go in those puppies.

then

ned78 wrote:

I've clearly provided examples of Renault Lagunas from 2001 where people are asking 8 grand for them.

You mention the poor deals on carzone for Lagunas but fail to mention the poor deals on other cars.

You use carzone prices as a way of backing up your "point" that the Laguna is a bad investment (full stop as you say yourself)

You fail to point out that there are overpriced Passats, Avensis and Mondeos on there and instead pick out more reasonably priced examples of those cars that suit your argument. Yes I think you were avoiding the question.

I, on the other hand have compared like for like by looking at average carzone prices for various cars. I've also mentioned the ROS valuation of two of the cars. I suppose that Lagunas are way overvalued on that as well but every other car is fairly priced :rolleyes: There's probably some conspiracy by the Revene (and carzone sellers) to hype up the price of Lagunas while valuing other cars at a fair price :rolleyes: Somehow "different rules" apply to Lagunas than to other cars

If you want to see an example of a well thought-out and accurate post, just look at dil999's and learn from that.

:rolleyes:

Regardless, all your whining and personal assaults have come to naught. The OP has chosen to ignore your advice - if you can call it that - and stay away from Lagunas.

I've given constructive advice in this thread. I told the OP what to look out for in Lagunas. You OTOH have spent much of the thread ranting about me questioning your motives. As well as that, you mix up trim levels on Lagunas, make incorrect statements about how well equipped they are and use junkyard to back up your points, repeat his pins in the eyes statement etc. And as I've pointed out above, you made a flawed argument about depreciation.

PS when I mentioned MINI drivers being tossers that was not meant as a personal assult on you rather an attempt to counter your own flippant generalistaion with one of my own. Sorry if that went over your head.

I am done with this thread now and the forum too. Many good posters don't post here much anymore because it's impossible to mention certain marques here without this sort of bullsh1t cropping up.

dil999

Whoh!

I think we need to transfer this thread to "Personal issues"

Owen

BrianD3 wrote:

You mention the poor deals on carzone for Lagunas but fail to mention the poor deals on other cars.

Well, is a thread about Lagunas, is it not?

BrianD3 wrote:

You use carzone prices as a way of backing up your "point" that the Laguna is a bad investment (full stop as you say yourself)

It is a bad investment! I highlighted the fact that they're overpriced, and still have a great deal of depreciating to do. I use carzone to highlight how over-expensive they are. You use Carzone as a yardstick to show how reasonable they are compared to other cars, yet you still ignore the fact that Carzone has zero consistancy. You cannot, cannot, cannot use Carzone as a defacto used car price reference.

BrianD3 wrote:

You fail to point out that there are overpriced Passats, Avensis and Mondeos on there and instead pick out more reasonably priced examples of those cars that suit your argument.

Of course I do. My objective was to show the OP that for similar money, he could indeed have a low mileage Passat, Mondeo or Avensis. Why would I search for the higher priced models? That makes no sense, unless I wanted to back up your flawed argument.

BrianD3 wrote:

I, on the other hand have compared like for like by looking at average carzone prices for various cars.

Obviously, you haven't. You came up with vastly more expensive cars than the three I offered the OP.

BrianD3 wrote:

I've also mentioned the ROS valuation of two of the cars.

Ah yes, the old "Well, I got up on the wrong side of the bed this morning, my toast fell on the floor, my car was cold, I hate my job in the Revenue" method of pricing. There is no consistency in ROS either. Take it from someone who deals with them every day of the week.

BrianD3 wrote:

I've given constructive advice in this thread.

You've done nothing of the sort. You've accused people in this Forum of being up to no good. You've provided inaccurate, incorrect pseudo-facts at every hand's turn. You still think you're arrogance is a substitute for knowledge, and refuse to accept the word of people working in the Motor Trade even though there's a good chance they're probably right.

BrianD3 wrote:

You OTOH have spent much of the thread ranting about me questioning your motives.

Of course I did! I won't stand for anyone falsly accusing me, or anyone else in this thread of anything untoward.

BrianD3 wrote:

As well that you mix up trim levels on Lagunas

If you bothered to read the post where I commented on the trim levels I said "I stand to be corrected" - I'm not a Renault Dealer. I would love to see a Renault Dealer comment on BMW specs. They'd get it equally wrong, but I left the possibility that I was wrong open.

BrianD3 wrote:

And as I've pointed out above, you made a flawed argument about depreciation.

No I haven't, and you haven't provided any real world evidence to prove the contrary. Accept the possibility you're wrong, get a job in the Motor Trade, and wait for the day a Laguna rolls up to you. Then you'll get a pretty quick education.

BrianD3 wrote:

I am done with this thread now and the forum too.

That's a pity, you have the potential to be a good poster.

cold_filter

ah the joys of trying to pick a car.

Ok here is what i've learned,

1) Some people really don't like renault.
2) Quite of lot of renaults (lagunas) seem to have electrical problems.
3) Compared to passats, mondeos, they seem to have higher spec (a little higher)
4) The resale value isn't as high.