Sniper advice

Mark_Sc

OK so i plan on buying a new rifle and decided its going to be a sniper. I want a spring action but i dont like the look of the remington and have my heart set on an L96 or PSG90 (they're pretty much the same).

http://www.rsov.com/store/product_info.php?cPath=105_118&products_id=372&osCsid=796faae22d8ad9a4a62fcda29423c6dd
This copy is what i think im going for but i really amn't sure and am open to advice

o1s1n

Just to let you know. That gun fires between 450 and 500fps with a .20g.
Because it's a clone, it cant handle the power. Small fractures start to occur.
Plus, the finish on it isn't as good as I was expecting.

Not to mention it ain't legal to own without a firearm license

I've fired several clone/cheaper spring sniper rifles. The only one I'd recommend buying is the one I own. The UTG m324. Thank god I picked that one!

It's either that or start saving your pennys and buy an expensive piece.

If you want an l96, you're going to have to go with Maruzen or the Tanaka. The Tanaka shoots about 380fps however. Due to it being gas powered.

Mark_Sc

you said the finish wasn't as good as you were expecting, have you used one?

o1s1n

I have indeed

The stock is very plasticy and there are bad seam lines. Maybe if the seams were sanded down, the stock too and some weights put it it'd be better. Not to mention sprayed OD green.

Anyway, no, you're not importing one. way too illegal!

Mark_Sc

Dad?

o1s1n

On here yes, yes I am.

Mark_Sc

Ok well who had one, i promise i wont buy it i just want to see it.
And where did you get yours?

MaxForce

Hi Oisin,
Just fell in love with your UTG. That is a fine piece. I have got to have one.:o

o1s1n

Mark_Sc wrote:

Ok well who had one, i promise i wont buy it i just want to see it.
And where did you get yours?

Well I've been up the north to games. So I've seen all manner of sniper rifles.

I got mine from speedytoys.com
Big mistake. Had to pay UPS charges about three months later. And it came with a bloody orange tip! Managed to black it out with some marker. Keeps scraping off though..grr

One thing that pains me is it hasn't been skirmished yet.

One of these days I'll give it a go.

Mark_Sc

To be honest, is there even a point in having a snpier rifle(that you want to skirmish with) if it is just like any other gun?
Not that i am getting it but if i did i would stay well back when shooting.

[--SC(+)PE--]

Sadly no with our limits here its not realy worth it. Id give my left leg [not my arm i need that ] to be able to play legaly with an upgraded sniper rifle. I bought an expensive TM VSR 10 as my second gun and realised at 1 joule its just not worth it . I wanted to believe taht it was but its not. Would ya consider getting a nice longbarreled AEG like an m14,AUG,m16 or a g3 or something? and using it as a semi auto sniper instead with a tightbore barrel etc. Thats what i have to do now instead with the AUG i just bought

o1s1n

Mark_Sc wrote:

To be honest, is there even a point in having a snpier rifle(that you want to skirmish with) if it is just like any other gun?
Not that i am getting it but if i did i would stay well back when shooting.

If its the same output power wise? Well, most stock TM ages will be firing between 250 -270fps with .20g. So If you have a 1j sniper you have an advantage. Plus, theres a bit more skill involved as you have to sneak in closer then you would with a more powerful rifle.

Personally, I'd only do the whole 1j sniper thing as a bit of fun. You couldn't really go all out and try and be a proper sniper with one. Well, maybe some can. I definitely wouldn't have the patience.

Mark_Sc

or the bbs...
Always loved the sniping idea, but at 330 they would have to stand dead still.. looks like my sniper dreams are shattered gor the moment


Once again not that i am getting it but would anyone object to being shot from about 1.5x the average distance with something that shot at 450?

o1s1n

Mark_Sc wrote:

or the bbs...
Once again not that i am getting it but would anyone object to being shot from about 1.5x the average distance with something that shot at 450?

A lot of people do object and are quite angry about it.

[--SC(+)PE--]

i wouldnt for one.as long as i could retaliate in kind

whupass

told ya :P

o1s1n

We all know Scope is a masochist. His opinion is void

[--SC(+)PE--]

awrite fair enough

NakedDex

I'd hazard a guess that being hit from 30 or 40 meters with a 450fps shot isn't actually going to hurt half as much as being hit with a 280-310fps shot from 10 meters or so which we all put up with as par for the course. But it's not a question of would we be willing, it's still illegal to fire something that strong at someone without a licence.

[--SC(+)PE--]

That is the point unfortunetly, A 1 joule Dm rifle's going have to do me instead

padmundo

NakedDex wrote:

it's still illegal to fire something that strong at someone without a licence.

Don't think the licence makes it legal to fire it at someone either...

[--SC(+)PE--]

nope, even with my consent to let ya shoot me its still illegal

o1s1n

I've read on several sites that they seem to have a similar thing in the UK so far as shooting people with high powered snipers. It's considered assault there.

[--SC(+)PE--]

Actually now that i think about it that must of been from ASI i read that. so its probably in relation to the North or the Uk,

AS_PokerKing

I am selling a Bazooka and an Uzi if anyone is interested !!! I also have a Barrett M50 for sale on e-bay

padmundo

Some links might make it easier for people who are interested....

NakedDex

I was under the impression that as long as the other person is consenting to being shot with that power of rifle then it's legal under UK law, which is why they can use higher power rifles.

Mark_Sc

I wonder about that though, in some circumstances i think it could be leagal.
What about paintball markers?

Rew

If they consent its not illeagle, think of boxing. Getting a linence would be interesting.

N.O.I.P.

If its licensed its a firearm, shooting someone with a firearm is illegal it doesn't matter if they give their consent

Mark_Sc

I know this but what do the paintball places do?

N.O.I.P.

As far as I know they don't have a firearms license in the strictest sense, its more like a letter of consent from the Gardai, DITPaintball could probably tell us more about this though, what with paintball being his chosen sport and all

Mark_Sc

What you are talking about is a letter of autherisation

This allows you to have a firearm, but you dont need a liscence.
You dont need to pay for it, it only takes about two weeks and all you need to do is tell them about it (ie. the specs, how long it is, how fast it shoots, what it shoots, etc.). The only thing is that to do this they have to take the gun in, check that you werent lieing. So they need you to give them an illeagal firearm. See the problem?

Captain Chaos

If one were to go down the sniper route, I can see you have a very limited selection due to the 1J limit.

You have the UTG M324 which I cannot see anywhere without the orange tip.

You have the TM VSR10 GSpec which to me seems to have a short barrel without the silencer. But at least it has a rail which other VSR10s do not.

CA also do an M24 which I cannot find much info on.

Those three seem to be the best of what can be imported into the country.

Then you could go down the AEG route with an SL-8 or 9.

I was looking at the TM G3SG1 for the role but AEGs are a bit loud for sniping I think.

The Gspec concerns me with it's barrel length and the 324 is hard to track down on non US sites. But both are at a very good price.

o1s1n

The m324 is on Chinese sites as the Black Eagle m6. They're the same gun. UTG have just rebranded it for the U.S market. If you get a Black Eagle from a Chinese site it will come without an orange tip. I've also seen untipped ones being sold on ebay.de.

On that note, mine came tipped. All you have to do is black it out. It's not that big of a deal.

The UTG/Black eagle comes shooting at 1j so no upgrading is needed. The down side is that for the moment, there are no aftermarket parts at all. UTG have said they're planning on releasing an upgrade pack, with a tighbore etc. But that's been in production for a long time now. (But sure it's shooting at 1j already, so its not like you're going to be able to upgrade it beyond that)

I have seen replacement bolts/springs and hop ups for it. So if something breaks down, it shouldn't be too hard to replace. The mags are nice and cheap. Only $24 for 2.

The VSR will need a new spring from the second you buy it. Some Marui AEGs I've fired have had a higher FPS. That's how weak it is stock. You'll also need some weights put into the stock if you want it to feel realistic. On the plus side, because it's TM there will be an absolute load of aftermarket parts.

Captain Chaos

Did you get a scope with your M324?

I was looking at this nice deal here, have not looked into shipping costs yet.
http://www.speedytoys.com/shop/item.asp?itemid=324

Captain Chaos

Ah speedytoys only ship to the US and Canada now.

Well I found this. I'm not too keen on the bi-pod but it looks like an OK deal.
http://www.actionhobbys.co.uk/Swiss-Arms-Black-Eagle-M6-Sniper-Rifle-Full-Package-Inc-Scope-Airsoft-BB-gun_A48EC.aspx

o1s1n

Captain Chaos wrote:

Did you get a scope with your M324?

I was looking at this nice deal here, have not looked into shipping costs yet.
http://www.speedytoys.com/shop/item.asp?itemid=324

That's the one I bought. From speedytoys too. I'd steer clear of them simply because of the added UPS costs I was thrown about three months after I received it. The scope really really good. It's not some piece of **** that was just thrown in to make the deal look nicer. I've heard of people selling the rifle on but hanging on to the scope

Captain Chaos wrote:

Ah speedytoys only ship to the US and Canada now.

Well I found this. I'm not too keen on the bi-pod but it looks like an OK deal.
http://www.actionhobbys.co.uk/Swiss-Arms-Black-Eagle-M6-Sniper-Rifle-F
ull-Package-Inc-Scope-Airsoft-BB-gun_A48EC.aspx

I was unaware about speedytoys. Any idea when they decided to stop shipping worldwide?
The bipod that comes with it isn't too bad. If you want a bipod. I have no use for one. Even removed the bottom rail on the rifle.

o1s1n

Actually, just looking closer at the Black Eagle link you sent.

The scope is different. The one UTG include with their rebrand is made by Leapers. Who make good quality scopes. The one in the picture with the m6 seems to be brandless. Might be a good idea to go with the UTG package from somewhere else.

Captain Chaos

Thats what I was thinking, the scope looks really good on the UTG.

Speedytoys say they don't do international shipping anymore because they have had issues with the different levels of VAT.

o1s1n

airsplat.com ship internationally now don't they? I remember someone saying they do. They have the UTG version on there too.

http://www.airsplat.com/Items/AR-UTG-M324S.htm

No scope in the link, but I'm sure they have that version if you have a look around.

Captain Chaos

I was searching everywhere to find it with the scope but can't. Airsplat have the Leapers scopes but only the illumination ones. Not the UTG Leapers one that comes with some of them.

o1s1n

How about pyramidair?

http://www.pyramydair.com/cgi-bin/model.pl?model_id=869

They have the "combo version"

Combo Version:
UTG Master Sniper Gen. 3, Scope and Rings Included
-- Scope-(SCP-432AOMDTS) 4X32 Full Size Mil-dot Adjustable Objective w/ TS Platform AccuShot Weaver Low Profile See-Thru Ring, 10mm Height
--AccuShot Weaver Low Profile See-Thru Ring, 10mm Height

I know absolutely nothing about them. Ireland is in the drop down menu in checkout.

Captain Chaos

Yeah, I just twiged that deal. Only thing is, that monster can fire a .2g at 430fps! I can't see that getting through customs.;)

o1s1n

Captain Chaos wrote:

Yeah, I just twiged that deal. Only thing is, that monster can fire a .2g at 430fps! I can't see that getting through customs.;)

Heh, gotta hate sites lying through their arse like that! I really can't see the need for it.

So, are you thinking about ordering one of these sometime soon? Or are you just browsing for prices at the moment>?

Captain Chaos

I am serious about picking one up soon.:)

My JG G36C is due tomorrow or Wednesday with goodies from ehobby and fire-support for it. Seeing how I get on with that lot, I can see an M324 on the cards in a week or two.

CrazyRabbit

Captain Chaos wrote:

Yeah, I just twiged that deal. Only thing is, that monster can fire a .2g at 430fps! I can't see that getting through customs.;)

For some reason, I don't think customs even check the power. However, the person you shoot at, most certainly would notice :eek:

o1s1n

CrazyRabbit wrote:

For some reason, I don't think customs even check the power. However, the person you shoot at, most certainly would notice :eek:

Ah no, it doesn't actually shoot that. He was just pointing out how the site is pretending it's much more powerful then it is

Mark_Sc

Would have boaught the L96 as soon as i had the money... no im not so sure

o1s1n

Mark_Sc wrote:

Would have boaught the L96 as soon as i had the money... no im not so sure

Well, just remember, if you buy the l96 and shoot someone with it you're actually committing assault with a firearm. If customs stop it and chrono it, you'll be importing a firearm without a license.

Unless of course you already have a license!

Mark_Sc

Dont worry, if i get it i wont shoot anybody with it, and will keep the whole fps thing on the down low. Whats the rules about power in preditor?