Bit of advice please

Gazza22

Hi,

I'm thinking about buying this gun here from Ehobby tonight:

http://cgi.ebay.com/Marui-Desert-Eagle-50-HARDKICK-Airsoft-Pistol-CHROME_W0QQitemZ270099033630QQcategoryZ31685QQtcZphotoQQcmdZViewItem

Since you's are the experts, what do you think of the specifications, is it worth the money? Also what type of gas etc would i need to order for this gun?

Thanks from a complete noob!

Fiach Dubh

Well you can't go wrong with Tokyo Marui and if you like the DE I'd say go for it, eHobby is about as good value as you can get. I normally wouldn't recommend getting a pistol first but if you plan to be playing at H.R.T.A. it'll be fine.

Gazza22

Fiach Dubh wrote:

Well you can't go wrong with Tokyo Marui and if you like the DE I'd say go for it, eHobby is about as good value as you can get. I normally wouldn't recommend getting a pistol first but if you plan to be playing at H.R.T.A. it'll be fine.

Thanks for the quick reply. Yea i have heard myself that Tokyo Marui are great that's why i choose this gun over a few others. I think the fact that it is metal (chrome) would make it more durable too?

When you say you wouldn't normally recommend a pistol at first, what do you mean? Like an AEG is better to start?

Also, where would i be able to buy HFC 134a & HFC 22 Airsoft Gas. I read on this forum about somebody buying propane from B&Q and using that, woudl that work with this gun?

o1s1n

The colour of the gun is chrome. It's still made of ABS plastic.

You won't be able to use propane with this gun as it's Japanese. You can only really use propane and green gas with chinese made pistols.

Gazza22

o1s1n wrote:

The colour of the gun is chrome. It's still made of ABS plastic.

You won't be able to use propane with this gun as it's Japanese. You can only really use propane and green gas with chinese made pistols.

Oh damn. I thought it was actually a metal finish. What would you pay roughly for a metal finish? So i'd have to order this HFC gas from ehobby all the time? Is there anywhere i can buy it in Dublin?

Fiach Dubh

Gazza22 wrote:

Thanks for the quick reply. Yea i have heard myself that Tokyo Marui are great that's why i choose this gun over a few others. I think the fact that it is metal (chrome) would make it more durable too?

When you say you wouldn't normally recommend a pistol at first, what do you mean? Like an AEG is better to start?

Also, where would i be able to buy HFC 134a & HFC 22 Airsoft Gas. I read on this forum about somebody buying propane from B&Q and using that, woudl that work with this gun?

Just that if you playing long range games such as woodland you'd get pwned with just a pistol but for CQB it's fine. You can use propane as long as you have an adapter, no problem.

o1s1n

And to answer your other question. AEGs are generally best for a beginner as they require much less maintenance then gas powered pistols. A lot more reliable too.

Gazza22 wrote:

Oh damn. I thought it was actually a metal finish. What would you pay roughly for a metal finish?

Well if you want a desert eagle you'll have to go with that plastic Tokyo Marui one I'm afraid. No one else seems to make them.

Fiach Dubh wrote:

Just that if you playing long range games such as woodland you'd get pwned with just a pistol but for CQB it's fine. You can use propane as long as you have an adapter, no problem.

Fiach, you can't use green gas or propane with Japanese made pistols. Including Toyko Marui. Due to all the plastic parts.

Well its not advised anyway.

Fiach Dubh

o1s1n wrote:

And to answer your other question. AEGs are generally best for a beginner as they require much less maintenance then gas powered pistols. A lot more reliable too.



Well if you want a desert eagle you'll have to go with that plastic Tokyo Marui one I'm afraid. No one else seems to make them.



Fiach, you can't use green gas or propane with Japanese made pistols. Including Toyko Marui. Due to all the plastic parts.

Well its not advised anyway.

Didn't actually know that. You learn something new everyday:) I'd suggest the KJ Works P226 then, full metal for $120 and it can take propane.

Gazza22

Thanks for the help guys

Well is there any other pistol on ehobby within the price range of the DE that you's would recommend? Or do you think i have an ok gun here and stick with it?

o1s1n

Actually you'd love any of the KJ Works full metal pistols. They're really well priced too. Would cost you about €100 after shipping.

Gazza22 wrote:

Thanks for the help guys

Well is there any other pistol on ehobby within the price range of the DE that you's would recommend? Or do you think i have an ok gun here and stick with it?

Personally I wouldnt buy that gun. It's simply too expensive for something made of plastic.

Here's a full metal KJ Works m9. I'd buy one if I had the money.

http://cgi.ebay.com/KJW-M9-ELITE-GBB-METAL-Airsoft-Pistol-NEW-HOPUP-VERSION_W0QQitemZ270091480333QQcategoryZ31685QQtcZphotoQQcmdZViewItem

It has an amazing recoil. I've been meaning to get one for ages!

Gazza22

Fiach Dubh wrote:

I'd suggest the KJ Works P226 then, full metal for $120 and it can take propane.

http://cgi.ebay.com/KJW-SIG-P226-Rail-FULL-METAL-GBB-Airsoft-HopUp-Pistol_W0QQitemZ270095715312QQcategoryZ31685QQtcZphotoQQcmdZViewItem
That one fiach?

o1s1n wrote:

Personally I wouldnt buy that gun. It's simply too expensive for something made of plastic.

Here's a full metal KJ Works m9. I'd buy one if I had the money.

http://cgi.ebay.com/KJW-M9-ELITE-GBB...QQcmdZViewItem

Yes i share that opinion now that i see the DE is fully plastic. That one looks really good. I think i'll back down on the DE. I lookign at the KJ's at the moment and i think they look great. Would this gun be considered a good one in the market, or are you recommending due to it being a good starting pistol?

Also, the orange tip isn't shipped to Ireland right?

Dave!

I'd say you should go for an AEG first... Using a single, semi-auto pistol for a skirmish, even in CQB, would surely get very annoying... ??? You'd be destroyed by everybody who has an AEG! Even if full auto aint allowed. Unless you invest in a 250 round magazine or somethin, lol

o1s1n

That pistol is as good as they come really. Don't be put off by the cheap price! And nope, no orange tip. That's just for America. I pity them

Fiach Dubh

Gazza22 wrote:

Fiach Dubh wrote:

I'd suggest the KJ Works P226 then, full metal for $120 and it can take propane.

http://cgi.ebay.com/KJW-SIG-P226-Rail-FULL-METAL-GBB-Airsoft-HopUp-Pistol_W0QQitemZ270095715312QQcategoryZ31685QQtcZphotoQQcmdZViewItem
That one fiach?



Yes i share that opinion now that i see the DE is fully plastic. That one looks really good. I think i'll back down on the DE. I lookign at the KJ's at the moment and i think they look great. Would this gun be considered a good one in the market, or are you recommending due to it being a good starting pistol?

Also, the orange tip isn't shipped to Ireland right?

Yep that's the one. I have one myself and love it. It'll take Marui P226 mags too which is a nice bonus It's both a good pistol and a good starter pistol. No they won't have the orange tips, thats only for the U.S.

Spitfire666

you can also get that kjw sig in ireland.
If you want it you could have it tomorrow or the next day.

Captain Chaos

It's a good GBB, I have only used 134 gas in it so far. I dont want to use 22 gas yet just in case, even though it can take the pressure.

I was shocked by how accurate it was out of the box using .23grs, no need to mess with the hopup.

Spitfire666

has a great weight to the slide but it didnt appeal to me as a side arm. just didnt take to it

Gazza22

o1s1n wrote:

Here's a full metal KJ Works m9. I'd buy one if I had the money.

http://cgi.ebay.com/KJW-M9-ELITE-GBB-METAL-Airsoft-Pistol-NEW-HOPUP-VERSION_W0QQitemZ270091480333QQcategoryZ31685QQtcZphotoQQcmdZViewItem

It has an amazing recoil. I've been meaning to get one for ages!

Thanks a lot for all the help everyone. I'm not a airsoft virgin anymore haha

I went for the above KJ Works m9 btw. Paid and all! Let's hope it was a good buy!

Captain Chaos

I hope they process you order faster than mine.

I have been waiting two days for them to process a box of 10 real cap G36 mags, an M3 tac light and a fore grip.

Last time I placed an order with them it was processed and shipped in 12hrs! That was for the 226.

Gazza22

Yea hopefully. I don't mind once it doesn't stretch beyond a week!

Tell me, i have about 5000 bb's at home. I bought them with a €15 cheap pellet gun in paris last year. Would these type of bb's be ok for my new pistol or do the good airsoft pistols need a high grade bb?

Captain Chaos

Do get some high grade BBs. At least .20g in weight. I have a ton of cheapo BBs that I will never put in my GBB. Odds are they will shatter, miss feed and ruin the internals of the gun.

I got gas and BBs from fire-support.co.uk they have quick delivery. I got 6,000 Excel 0.23g BBs and 2x 750ml cans of gas from them two weeks ago. Delivery was only 2 days. Gas can't be shipped by airmail btw.

Fiach Dubh

Captain Chaos wrote:

I hope they process you order faster than mine.

I have been waiting two days for them to process a box of 10 real cap G36 mags, an M3 tac light and a fore grip.

Last time I placed an order with them it was processed and shipped in 12hrs! That was for the 226.

Sounds about right. My last two orders took 2-3 days to be processed, looks like they are slowing down

CrazyRabbit

Captain Chaos wrote:

Do get some high grade BBs. At least .20g in weight. I have a ton of cheapo BBs that I will never put in my GBB. Odds are they will shatter, miss feed and ruin the internals of the gun.

I got gas and BBs from fire-support.co.uk they have quick delivery. I got 6,000 Excel 0.23g BBs and 2x 750ml cans of gas from them two weeks ago. Delivery was only 2 days. Gas can't be shipped by airmail btw.

Got to agree. Unless you are sure the bb's you have are good quality, I suggest not using them. All it takes is one bad bb and you've got major hassle.

Gazza22

Great guys thanks.

That supplier in Ballymount, does he stock the gas for the KJ Works m9?

Captain Chaos

Gazza22 wrote:

Great guys thanks.

That supplier in Ballymount, does he stock the gas for the KJ Works m9?

Yes he does, he has 134 gas that is suitable for all GBBs, he might have 22 gas aswell. 22 gas is more powerful and can be used in KJWs with a lot of metal and other high metal content GBBs.

He has quality BBs aswell.

kdouglas

well the gas i got off him the other day is cybergun APS3 blow back gas...
afaik it's basically green gas... should be fine in _most_ GBBs

Gazza22

Thanks sorry about all the Q's, i'm new

I know it would depend on usage obviously, but generally how long would a gas canister last on average?

Also, what price is it roughly in Ballymount for the gas + bb's?

Captain Chaos

Gas is €16 per can of 750ml. The BBs depends on the brand and weight you want and how many.

I don't know how long a can of gas lasts. But when I fill my 226 mag up with gas, I get around 130-150 shots depending on the temperature.

I estimate that you may get 5,000-6,000 shots out of a 750ml can but it also depends on the GBB model. Some use more than others per shot.

dmiesterwzere

oh no you won't pity americans once our government totally bans airsoft. this is being discussed in another forum.:mad:

[--SC(+)PE--]

ya im getting real sick of forever living in fear that they could be banned tomorro

Captain Chaos

Wrong thread guys.

o1s1n

Gazza22 wrote:

Thanks a lot for all the help everyone. I'm not a airsoft virgin anymore haha

I went for the above KJ Works m9 btw. Paid and all! Let's hope it was a good buy!

You went with the m9? Excellent. Although you'll have one before me..Damn you!

dmiesterwzere wrote:

oh no you won't pity americans once our government totally bans airsoft. this is being discussed in another forum.:mad:

Not going to happen if we have anything to do with it!

Spitfire666

i got the ABS version O1s1n. its in the pics i put up the other day. not a bad one.

o1s1n

Spitfire666 wrote:

i got the ABS version O1s1n. its in the pics i put up the other day. not a bad one.

I saw that actually. Considerably cheaper then the full metal one. I can't believe how cheap their stuff sells for.

Spitfire666

it seems to have some power too. will get it chrono'd when i get a chance but its ideal for cqb.

o1s1n

The pistols for cqb are great alright. Huge difference in your maneuverability

Spitfire666

cant wait to get the time/money to get a pair of 1911's and 4 extra mags.

Gazza22

o1s1n wrote:

You went with the m9? Excellent. Although you'll have one before me..Damn you!

Yea !

Pity though i messed up the payment. I thought when i was told the US shipping is same to shipping to Ireland meant just $25, i paid that and they got onto me this morning asking for another $10.

So i don't think it'll be even processed until after the weekend now!

o1s1n

Do you have a source of gas sorted yet? A few people here bought their GBBs before they had gas or bbs.

As you can imagine, they went mad waiting

Gazza22

No, i have no gas or bb's yet.

I'm thinking of going to that Ballymount supplier next week and getting some gas and bb's! I have a few 'ooo bb's at home but they are only cheap ones i bought with a €15 euro pistol in paris last year which i have been advised not to use in the airsoft pistol!

Btw, what grade of bb is the best to buy for m9? And what gas would you recommend?

Spitfire666

MORE OR LESS ANYTHING WITH A WEIGHT OF .2G OR .23G OR .25G IF YOUR M9 IS ON THE LIMIT.

bALLYMOUNT CAN MAIL YOU GAS AND BBS TO YOUR DOOR.

o1s1n

Any high quality bb manufacturer really. Excel are what I usually try and get my hands on.

The rubbish ones you have at the moment would be .12g in weight. Aside from the fact that they have bad seams and poor construction (which will ruin the inside of your GBB), they'd be too light to fire.

Either .20g .23g or .25g will do you fine.
The .20 will give you distance, the .25 more accuracy. So the .23 is a really nice middle one. Anything higher then .25 then will just be too heavy and your distance will really suffer.

Cybergun green gas is meant to be quite good. I have some ICS which is ****e.

Ideal situation, get the propane adapter and just use propane from B&Q

Fiach Dubh

Yeah Excell are the best for value and quality, I've been using their .20's so far and I have 30000 .25's on the way in the post so I must like them

Gazza22

Thanks. I'll call into ballymount next week so and pick some up.

That would be the ideal situation getting the propane adapter. I'll invest in one when i've settled in! The propane in B&Q must be a lot cheaper is it?

o1s1n

I think its about €11 euro or so per bottle. And the bottles looked a decent size too. Importing green gas costs a lot more then it should. Not to mention the fact that it can't be airmailed. So it takes a while to get it.

Gazza22

o1s1n the m9 was delivered yesterday, i'm all happy with myself now, my first airsoft gun!

Thanks for the point in the right direction!

Oh and the worst has happened, i have a gun but no bb's or gas haha. I didn't get a chance to pick my order up yesterday from BFSL, so i have to wait until monday!

Captain Chaos

Gazza22 wrote:

o1s1n the m9 was delivered yesterday, i'm all happy with myself now, my first airsoft gun!

Thanks for the point in the right direction!

Oh and the worst has happened, i have a gun but no bb's or gas haha. I didn't get a chance to pick my order up yesterday from BFSL, so i have to wait until monday!

It's awful isn't it. I was in the same boat when I got my first GBB, no gas or BBs for a week after.

At least you can practice taking it down and putting it back together.:D

ED E

I got A Umarex M9 for xmas...had 1000's of bbs but not 1ml of gas!:eek:

Had to wait like a mont for the gas, took ages in transit with stupid nightline.

Now i use propane, so much easier: SWITCH NOW!

o1s1n

Gazza22 wrote:

o1s1n the m9 was delivered yesterday, i'm all happy with myself now, my first airsoft gun!

Thanks for the point in the right direction!

Oh and the worst has happened, i have a gun but no bb's or gas haha. I didn't get a chance to pick my order up yesterday from BFSL, so i have to wait until monday!

No problem!
What do you think of it? I was firing one of them again yesterday. If I don't get one soon I'll go mad. Such a nice pistol.

Actually, as a matter of interest, did you get slapped with any additional charges from customs?

Gazza22

o1s1n wrote:

No problem!
What do you think of it? I was firing one of them again yesterday. If I don't get one soon I'll go mad. Such a nice pistol.

Actually, as a matter of interest, did you get slapped with any additional charges from customs?

Oh it's really nice. Feels great, and the weight is very realistic.

No thankfully i didn't! I noticed it was marked as just "Toy" on the package so maybe that helped. The delivery was brilliant too, posted from Hong Kong on tuesday night. arrived friday 3pm!

o1s1n

..that was from ehobby too yeah? Odd, I think most people buying from ehobby have been customs attacked.

Excellent news anyway. Now go get some bbs and gas!