Confused

Theresalwaysone

Perhaps a stu[id question, Nonetheless:

In the Stickies Ive read Jak Say that Fruit is neccessary to keep the body in an anti-catabolic state as it keeps the liver fed!

But in the same sticky Ive read T-ha say that the body needs to be in a catabolic state to lose body weight!

Does this mean that if you are hoping to lose weight you shouldnt eat much fruit? Or do I have it totally wrong?

g'em

to lose weight you need to use more calories than you consume. Its... that... simple.

Fruit is good for you, don't stop eating it. Just make sure you're overall cals (including fruit) are at a deficit in order to lose weight.

Theresalwaysone

Yeah ha, Ive got that down, There aint much too it and Im sure your sick of stressing it gem but this just confused me! Jak was sayin about the liver being kept fed and this keeps the body out of the catabolic state....and then I was confused to read that the body needs to be in a catabolic state to lose weight.

I understand the caloric deficit= loss of weight. But say you dont eat...then you have the ultimate caloric deficit, but you body will go into starvation mode and you wont lose too much weight? yes or no?

Hanley

g'em wrote:

to lose weight you need to use more calories than you consume. Its... that... simple.

Fruit is good for you, don't stop eating it. Just make sure you're overall cals (including fruit) are at a deficit in order to lose weight.

Quoted for truth.

g'em

Theresalwaysone wrote:

I understand the caloric deficit= loss of weight. But say you dont eat...then you have the ultimate caloric deficit, but you body will go into starvation mode and you wont lose too much weight? yes or no?

pretty much. Calories aren't evil, they're wonderful, and your body needs that food to function. By chronically undereating you tell your body that it's starving, and it will hang on to all the energy it can and weight-loss stalls.

There are two places that our bodies store glycogen - the liver and muscle. You will use liver glycogen first, then muscle glycogen (although its actually reasonably awkward to metabolise).

rubadub

Theresalwaysone wrote:

Jak was sayin about the liver being kept fed and this keeps the body out of the catabolic state....and then I was confused to read that the body needs to be in a catabolic state to lose weight.

I am not certain but maybe he was talking about anti-catabolic state of using muscle for energy, i.e. eating the fruit will favour fat loss rather than muscle loss. Catabolic and anabolic can mean either muscle or fat, but most mean bodybuilders talking will be referring top muscle loss/gain.

You want to lose weight, but really it is fat you want to loose. If you go on an extreme calorie deficit you loose fat AND muscle. If you lift weights and go on a small calorie deficit you can maintain your muscle and just lose fat, it is also possible (especially if overweight) to be on a calorie deficit, loose fat and GAIN muscle at the same time.

Theresalwaysone wrote:

I understand the caloric deficit= loss of weight. But say you dont eat...then you have the ultimate caloric deficit, but you body will go into starvation mode and you wont lose too much weight? yes or no?

Your daily metabolic needs will drop. Your body gets used to surviving on less food. So if it is a crash diet you could loose 10lb of fat and 10lb of muscle. Once you go back to your old eating habits you will put it on. but this might be 15lb of fat and 5lb of muscle. Since muscle is more dense it takes up less room. So even though you end up weighing the same again you take up more volume so you look fatter even though you weigh the same. You are also weaker due to muscle loss. You end up eating more to compensate lugging around that weight with hardly any muscle, get bigger, crash diet again and start all over again, yo-yo-ing.

That is why weight training is great, you get to eat lots while gaining hopefully mostly muscle.

Theresalwaysone

So as I understand it... If you eat but not very much, And your body is in starvation mode you will not lose weight and maybe even gain it as the body will cling to the energy in the food that you are eating.

BUT

If you eat nothing you wont lose weight either? Although Id suspect there is a certain point where your body goes out of starvation mode and uses the fat that has been stored for energy. Maybe I'm wrong?

Theresalwaysone

Rubabdub, that makes much more sense, I was reading it in a strictly weight loss way but he was more than likely writing it in the body building way.

Thanks....sorted

rubadub

Theresalwaysone wrote:

So as I understand it... If you eat but not very much, And your body is in starvation mode you will not lose weight and maybe even gain it as the body will cling to the energy in the food that you are eating.

In starvation mode you do not need many calories to survive. I do not want to offend anybody but if you saw articles/programs about any famines in africa you would see them talking about supplying food and how some meal would keep somebody alive, these meals were only about 600kcal per day. Once your body weight drops a lot you do not need to feed as many cells, muscles etc. You do not use much energy lugging around weight. So a baby needs far less food than a grown man.
Your daily needs go down so if you eat "normally" then you are taking in an excess of calories. If somebody who was starving and survining on 500kcal per day suddenly ate 2500kcal per day then they are on an excess of 2000kcal, they will put on weight and their metabolism will slowly get used to it and also increase as they put on weight (more energy used carrying the weight.

Theresalwaysone wrote:

If you eat nothing you wont lose weight either? Although Id suspect there is a certain point where your body goes out of starvation mode and uses the fat that has been stored for energy. Maybe I'm wrong?

You will lose weight and eventually just die.