Stargate, SG1, Season 10, Episode 20: Unending [SPOLIERS]

robnubis

So its really over.

I do think that, forgiving the absence of O'Neill this was a fitting end to the series.

I am however is some way feeling odd about Teal'c i dont like that he has aged maybe 30 - 40 years, yes his life is extended because of Tratonin, but i dont like it. Hopefully, they resolve it in the first film, cause the Grey streak ain't cool tbh.

thoughts?

Blowfish

I thought the title was appropriate, in that there actually was no bloody ending

It was pretty much same old same old, and could have been used as a filler about half way through the season. It needed something to distinguish it from the rest, but failed miserably.

robnubis

Well they had always said that sg1 would keep continuing on in missions (ie. the last scene would be them departing for a new mission) even if RDA never left, they wanted fans to know that sg1 kept going on missions even after the show ended.

Also two films are in the making tbh.

Blowfish

But everything was exactly how it was before the episode. I know that a lot of it was charachter based, but what exactly is the point in it being charachter based if you are just going to 'reset' all of the charachters bar Teal'c?

Mantel

Wow, a whole episode to explain how Teal'c has a grey streak!

On a side note the developtment of all the characters involved was alot better than most of the season....

Pepe LeFrits

Piss poor.

is_that_so

Yes more filler material to me which makes sense given they know the DVDS are on the way. On the basis of what SG-1 is, I suppose the ending was appropriate. But yet again though they get a whole pile of "new toys" out of nowhere. That aside the interaction between them all was good, despite the slightly plodding storyline and is at the better end of what was Season 10. More relieved than sad it's over and looking forward to the DVDs.

Kojak

Some of the things in this episode seemed out of place - I never had the Asguard down as a suicide bunch, and they leave all their technology, knowledge etc. to a race that is obviously cenrruies behind them (technologically)

The interaction was good - I particularly liked when Daniel was giving out to Vala, but that fell flat on its face when he slept with her :rolleyes:

Was it just my imagination or did Mitchell say sh1t when he was playing chess with Landry??

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

worst episode ever

my god... at least now I'm left with no anticipation for the movies... I couldn't give a **** if they never came out

wow... it's amazing how such a great show can just drop the ball like that in only a couple of seasons

_Kaiser_

As a mid-season filler this would've worked and been above average..

However, as a final episode to a 10-year saga, it was awful! Almost as bad as the Enterprise finalé, though even THAT had that very cool CGI Enterprise-D at the very end.

Have to say I'm very disappointed.

Mr E

Not bad, but it was just a regular episode. No big finale, no big confrontation. Indeed, me bollix.

Suaimhneach

Ah, I liked the charachter developement. But then I am a chick who inevitably doesnt mind a love twist.

Thought it interesting to see the weekness in whathisface, Jack wannabe. Freaking out etc. Thought Carter aged beautifully, though, suprised she didnt figure it all out sooner. Or fall in love with on of them, but then she's Jacks woman. Heh.

I am hoping it was left without a cliff hanger because they wanted the movies to be full, and not having a "previously on SG1" requirement for an audience that might never have watched the show.

I think they tried to give us a little bit of what we loved about the show before ending it, and just because no one blew up, or because there was no Ori, or Ori'si (you guys just wanna see her in leather) or feckin Bal's in the show does not mean you cant enjoy it.

monkeyfudge

Well that was pretty mediocre.. looks like I picked a bad time to start watching Stargate.

LoGiE

Would have been a pretty good episode earlier on in the season as a filler/ one shot but as a season finisher....

Tazzle

Mordeth wrote:

worst episode ever

my god... at least now I'm left with no anticipation for the movies... I couldn't give a **** if they never came out

wow... it's amazing how such a great show can just drop the ball like that in only a couple of seasons

my sentiments exactly. i'm speechless to describe how incredibly bad sg-1 has become.

thelordofcheese

Well i like to think i'm big enough to admit when i'm wrong, and i was wrong about this.

It turns out it wasn't Merlins magic coffee maker MKII that turns the tide against the ori, but the asguard suicide goodbye gift. Colour me shocked.


But seriously, this was trying for the kind of ending we got at the end of season 8, but everything leading up to it made it silly.

After a seasons worth of filler, we have the end of the asguard and the handing over of technology lightyears beyond just about everything else in the galaxy to a race who are knuckle dragging neanderthals by comparison, followed by an episode that would have been far better recieved as mid season filler than an end of series finale.

Were there another season of Sg1, i probably wouldn't watch it. As for the planned movies... well i *might*, but i'm not very pushed.

TheIrishGrover

One of the reasons I liked Stargate was that Earth was always the underdogs. Lesser tech, allies etc. All of a sudden they got a kickarse spaceship. With warp, shields etc and can kick anybody's ar5e. NOW they got all the Asgard knowledge. It's turned into Star trek: Replicators, phasers, transporters, shields at max etc. And as for the whole end of the Asgard thing: Oh, we've been around for millions of years. Most thought we were myths because we were all powerful............... but in the 10 years since we met you guys we've suddenly degenerated so here's all our tech and we're all going to top ourselves. Then, in the middle of the battle at the start, Thor goes: Buggerit, I'm outa here. What, was he afraid he was going to be killed?
In the last 2 years, IMO, the only passable episode was the Wormhole Xtreme movie one. and even THAT was only passable (Although what's-his-name's girlfriend at the reunion ep was a cracker)
Fitting end to a show that should've ended 2 years ago: Sh1te.

_Kaiser_

Jesjes wrote:

Ah, I liked the charachter developement. But then I am a chick who inevitably doesnt mind a love twist.

Agree with ya that it was a very good episode from that point (particularly the fight between Vala and Daniel) but they spoiled it by pressing the "big red reset button" at the end.

Thought it interesting to see the weekness in whathisface, Jack wannabe. Freaking out etc. Thought Carter aged beautifully, though, suprised she didnt figure it all out sooner. Or fall in love with on of them, but then she's Jacks woman. Heh.

Yep.. pity they couldn't have gotten him (and Hammond) involved for the last episode though!

I am hoping it was left without a cliff hanger because they wanted the movies to be full, and not having a "previously on SG1" requirement for an audience that might never have watched the show.

True.. it was clearly written with a "to be continued" air for longtime viewers, but open-ended enough for the movies.

I think they tried to give us a little bit of what we loved about the show before ending it, and just because no one blew up, or because there was no Ori, or Ori'si (you guys just wanna see her in leather) or feckin Bal's in the show does not mean you cant enjoy it.

Also true (no comment on the Ori'si in leather bit! ), however it really felt like an average/standard episode with no sense of "this is the final episode of SG1 EVER" (hell, Sky hyped it up more than the show itself did) and I think THAT'S what people's problem is, especially when compared to say the last episode of TNG and DS9 (even though it kinda waned a bit in the 2nd hour) or even VOY.... in fact that's another thing, it wasn't even a 2 hour special!

I think the problem is people feel cheated out of a sense of closure after 10 years of following it weekly, and the intention is clearly to make fans go see the forthcoming movies to get it, which is just a tad cynical and really just gives two fingers to the fans who supported the show through the years.

TheIrishGrover

Jesjes wrote:

I think they tried to give us a little bit of what we loved about the show before ending it, and just because no one blew up, or because there was no Ori, or Ori'si (you guys just wanna see her in leather) or feckin Bal's in the show does not mean you cant enjoy it.

Ah but y'see, that was Inara from Firefly.......... And she played a SPACEHOOKER in that

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

yeah, and if the asgard weapons were so effective against the Ori ships on the earth ship.. why the hell didn't the asgard strip their ships of everything sensitive, and then go around the galaxy blowing up all the ori ships they found..


I mean, if they're dying anyway.... couple of hundred asgard ships travelliung together destroying ori... stupid grey idiots

ct5amr2ig1nfhp

Just awful.

the-ging

Was a big letdown!

And I know I haven't seen every ep this season, but Asguard gave earth all their teck and knowledge? When did this happen? And I doubt they would anyway!

TheIrishGrover

the-ging wrote:

Was a big letdown!

And I know I haven't seen every ep this season, but Asguard gave earth all their teck and knowledge? When did this happen? And I doubt they would anyway!

Well, they just did it in this episode: Said "well, we're arsed as a species so, ah, here's all our good stuff and we're just going to kill ourselves now........ But we won't help in your fight with these three ships at the start in case we get killed"

Really smarts of a reboot for the next spinoff that the TV movies are supposed to introduce. What's the betting it'll be just like Trek with fleet of ships, phasers, transporters etc. Written off as: "Six months after figuring out how to use all Asgard tech........................" at the start of the movie/pilot

Peace

I wonder what impact that episode is going to have on the fight against the wraith. Now they have more tech than they know what to do with they should just send a couple of ships over to atlantis station and go wraith whoping.

steviec

I thought it was a good, fitting ending actually. I know they could have had an all singing, all dancing battle with the Ori but it wouldn't have interested me as much. This episode was pretty much a tribute to what Stargate does best - the characters and the relationships within the team. From Sam's interactions with Thor to the characters getting old together to the 'Indeed' scene at the end I thought it was perfect, classic Stargate.

Maybe its because I couldn't give a crap about the Ori as bad guys and in general episodes about them have been rubbish, so I preferred a return to form for the final episode and really enjoyed it.

Blowfish

steviec wrote:

I thought it was a good, fitting ending actually. I know they could have had an all singing, all dancing battle with the Ori but it wouldn't have interested me as much. This episode was pretty much a tribute to what Stargate does best - the characters and the relationships within the team. From Sam's interactions with Thor to the characters getting old together to the 'Indeed' scene at the end I thought it was perfect, classic Stargate.

That level of interaction for a final episode, is great.

That level of interaction plus a reset though, makes it seem like the episode didn't really change anything.

[edit] I mean, you would have imagined that the least they would have done would have been to create a data crystal or something to tell the younger versions of themselves any of the valuable information that they had found out in the Asgard library in the past 50 years. Not doing that made the whole time seem a bit of a waste.

mcgarnicle

I have to say I really liked this episode. It was "filler" in that it didn't deal with the Ori story but I don't have a problem with filler episodes when they are done well. Indeed the first 5 seasons were pretty much all filler.

The death of the Asguard upset me more than the death of the show. Over the years I was always looking forward to seeing those guys show up and the best Stargate moment for me was probably the first time we saw Thor's Charriot swoop down from the clouds and lay waste to the Goa'uld.

Overall it was a good ending I think. The Ori were irrelevent as they will have a movie dedicated to them that should tie the story up. The new Asguard tech should also spice up Atlantis.

Overheal

This episode had fuction: giving fans who were ready to put it away a way out: sure, they hit the reset button, but if you choose the route of Teal'c's POV: hes seen everything at that point even if everyone else hasnt. He could probably give a **** what happens next, and if thats how you feel, choose to be Teal'c. If not, and you want to continue watching all the new movie eps, then you are clearly either a Sam, Jack, or Daniel.

What people seem to miss then is that they hit the reset button; but unlike most/every other reset button ever invented, there is someone on the show who experienced it all.

Ori sucked. Baal got boring 3 seasons ago. The Asgard have become senile in their old age. And the Ancients plot fell apart under its own weight. But it was still the best Sci-Fi show I will ever witness for at least another 20 years, and I mourn its tragic, long-awaited goodbye.

10/10.

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

But it was still the best Sci-Fi show I will ever witness for at least another 20 years, and I mourn its tragic, long-awaited goodbye.

you don't ask for alot from your sci-fi do you.

really... best sci-fi?... really? when it was good, it was very very good... but the best?

good lord.

TheIrishGrover

Overheal wrote:

What people seem to miss then is that they hit the reset button; but unlike most/every other reset button ever invented, there is someone on the show who experienced it all.

new BSG and DS9. Now they're shows with no reset buttons. you know that if something dodgy happens it's going to bite them in the arse sooner or later.

jhegarty

Mordeth wrote:

yeah, and if the asgard weapons were so effective against the Ori ships on the earth ship.. why the hell didn't the asgard strip their ships of everything sensitive, and then go around the galaxy blowing up all the ori ships they found..


I mean, if they're dying anyway.... couple of hundred asgard ships travelliung together destroying ori... stupid grey idiots

or just give them an asgard ship ????

cregser

TheIrishGrover wrote:

Jesjes wrote:

..., or because there was no Ori, or Ori'si (you guys just wanna see her in leather) ...

Ah but y'see, that was Inara from Firefly.......... And she played a SPACEHOOKER in that

Yep, I'll take Morena Baccarin any way she's coming.

Anyway... crap way to end a show. My Dad, completely disinterested in sci-fi, watched the odd bit of Stargate because he said it was "down to earth". It seemed kinda believable because they were in present day earth walking around in army uniforms etc. (I didn't ask him why he thought all the aliens spoke english). But SG-1 has detached from that and gone all Star Treky as someone has already said.

But if they had a cloaking device in the last episode, why didn't they use it in this one when they needed to hide? Bah!

Worst series ending ever was Enterprise - that one left a much more sour after taste than this. At least they don't have holodecks in Stargate... yet.

"Computer. Earl grey hot, and a cello please."

BKtje

But if they had a cloaking device in the last episode, why didn't they use it in this one when they needed to hide? Bah!

Well if they can be tracked in hyperspace, chances are they can track them in normal space while cloaked?

I enjoyed it without being blown away by it.

ixoy

Well I enjoyed it! And it's for the reasons that others did - it did what SG-1 did best, which is the character moments. They worked very well and I really felt the relationships between them. I was even somewhat sad to see that useless lunk Landry pass.

I also automatically assumed Teal'c would be the one to go back. I always thought he looked young for his age n S1 (76, I do believe) so his slow ageing was fitting. L'oreal should look into this for their new cream...

The big 'reset' button feature is irritating but at least someone remembers something. The way it was done was one of the few ways to show the characters grow old together, to let us see a possible end for them and to then leave it open for the movies. I'm assuming the episode was written fairly quickly too, when they knew they weren't getting renewed, so the moments we had between them are - to me - all the more impressive for that. Some very touching and sweet scenes.

The big thing that I didn't like was the Asgard element. They suddenly appear, give them all their technologies, and then we junk them, and their 10 season legacy in a 40-minute window. Not cool to Thor, Freya and the gang. Also their suicide didn't really make sense (although with the home of the Asgard, Ancients, and Furlings destroyed, there's a nice wholeness). They could have fought more rather than genocide to allow us a finale

Anyway, I'm happy enough with this ending. There's the DVD films for more stories but as a way to go out with the weekly serial, I'm glad not to see a bunch of CGI explosions. Not what the show was about for me.

Goodbye, you'll be missed.

Overheal

It beats DS9 and BSG. DS9 got boring (except that last spectacular war season) and BSG is young yet. Same thing for Heroes; they all have potential but it will be some time...besaides I exclude Start Trek in my synopsis because it seems so 30 years ago in the rgand scheme of things

Flaccus

The best sci-fi series ever had to be B5 - first 4 seasons had the best story arc ever.

ixoy

Flaccus wrote:

The best sci-fi series ever had to be B5 - first 4 seasons had the best story arc ever.

Probably true but that's not for here. Let's keep the "Best Sci-Fi" debate to another thread.

Berns

Woulda been better if this was earlier in season and coulda used the Asguard technology against the ori earlier. Even see if they could get it fitted onto other ships and maybe sumfin on the lil fighters, 302's? But like most said here, not a really fitting ending to the series. Maybe getta fleet of big earth ship's and have em all fitted with asguard technology and go wipe out the ori in a movie or sumfin hopefully whatever they make, it will bring closure to the series

Wonder if SG:A will get some of the Asguard stuff now :rolleyes:

jor el

Wow, I've never seen a poll so evenly split before, it's practically the same across all options!

Anyway, for me this felt a bit like a let down. There were quite a few things that just didn't make sense or were just plain bad. Why the Asgard weapons worked so effectively now, when they were practically useless on the Ori ships when they first came through the supergate. Why Thor left the Odyssey to blow himself up, he could have stayed to help them and then killed himself a bit later. The death of the Asgard

The character story was quite good though, a very moving episode from a certain point of view. Having Teal'c remember is another plus, it's not quite a reset.

Overall just above a middlein episode, not really what I'd have expected from the end of the series, but not nearly as craptastic as the final Enterprise. When you consider that this wasn't nearly the best season of SG1, it's not that bad.

Kevok

I liked it quite a bit.

It was in essence, an everyday episode of SG-1. Not everyone fell in love with the show because of explosions and space battles and season long arcs. I have BSG for that. SG-1 was *always* about the characters and team dynamic. That's what i liked about the show and that's what this episode had in buckets.

My one complaint was when Daniel flipped out at Vala. Completely out of character in my opinion coupled with a cheap mention of his wife after years of her being forgotten.

In the end though, this episode was filled with what made SG-1 for me and so I gave it a 9.

robnubis

I would have liked to see an entire episode about the demise of the Asgard tbh.

Something along the lines of:

- SG1 turns up asgard retrofit Odyssey, to continue their legacy, 5ht race etc.

- Ori turn up, big battle between Asgard ships, Odyssey and Lots of Ori Ships (proper space battle like)

- Asgard get raped, decide to further enhance odyssey with their newest technology developed to combat Ori shields and stuff

- The Asgard put themselves in a time dilation field to live out the rest of their lives, so that in 2,000 years they'll still be there if needed, but only a day or two has gone by for them

something like that, moving the asgard but keeping them around would have been nice.

GWolf

Right.

Good:

The little moment between Carter and Thor. Vala and anial, I got the feeling his little tantrum was from unexpressed lovey dovey feelings he had.

Bad:

the story wasmid seaon filler material. Nothing more. If thy were going to have the Asgard go bye bye I think the whole episode should have been about it. But we get fairly standard episode. Which is sad, because SG does really good season endings. also,souldn't Teal'c look as old as Bra'tac if he's a 130.

all in all, a sign of why I fell outof the series after Jack left. And SPOILER with time travel being the story in the second dvd movie, it feels hollow. Teal'c is gonna go back to being a young 60 year old wen Ba'al rewrites history. Let down all in all.

Nukem

My Christ someone drag the writers out by the ears and flog them - in the last two years or so they have managed to ruin the best show on tele and just made it worse with the load of twaddle.

Thor - "here ya go all the technology we have been keeping from ye all these years, we are about to die.Mmmmmm best of luck" - BOOM-

Com'on:mad:

LoGiE

Maybe I need to rewatch a few episodes but when did the Asgard set up there new home world in our Galaxy? And If there home world isn't how did the ori ships find them? For that matter if the ori ships can travel between galaxies why bother with a super gate?

Are we supposed to believe that all the Asgard people and there ships were on the planet? What about all the planets there supposed to be protecting? AHHH it's such a load of rubbish when you think about it!

Overheal

might have been a wording slip up or a misunderstanding: real version, the Asgard homeworld is in a 4th galaxy were the ancients dont have power to interfere blah blah blah why did they splode in less than 60 seconds LAME LAME LAME

Tyax

That episode made me feel like I had been robbed of ten years of my life...... It was really really poor, even as an episode imo, the bit with the Azgard at the start was so pathetic, the episode truely showed the signs of last minuteitis, I guess we'll just have to wait and see what comes of these tv movies.

DingChavez

Wow, Stargate writers sure love their plot holes and DEM.

A load of rubbish as LoGiE said.

delta36

Fantastic, but you should all bare in mind that the show wasn't cancelled untill after the series was completed, so i think it was a pretty good episode.

Overheal

bull****. alll bull****. They had 2 episodes left to write before they were cancelled: they couldve easilly written a 2 parter worth remembering. Instead we got this.

magicbastarder

i thought it was ****ing great. they resisted the temptation to do a balls-to-the-wall slugfest, and went for a character piece. a tying-everything-up-with-a-neat-little-deus-ex-machina episode would have seemed cheap.

as regards o'neill not being in the episode, he has only had cameo roles in the last series or two. this one was about the six main characters in the show, and it was a good decision that they decided to hand the final episode to just them, and not to play to the fans.

my main beef about the episode was the hair - not teal'c's, but does the deadalus not come with scissors? mitchell, jackson, and landry looked like whitesnake: the comeback tour.

senordingdong

It was pretty crap if you ask me.
For so long I was always trying to look on the bright side of bad episodes and then this. It was just sub-par on all levels.
Every good point that people here have been mentioning about this episode have been done better before. The writers set out a forty year time frame and still rushed everything and subsequently ran it into the ground.
And don't get me started on the Asgaurd thing.