Ive just realised

estebancambias

Im an idiot and should have taken school more serious, last year now with 3 months left im aiming for arts like well done people who get or got in but it shouldnt be your aspiration, but anyway whats the lowest possible points I could get into arts

tywy

usually around 375, you should consider science too the points for it are pretty low

estebancambias

well i can forget about arts then, so now il have to think of student loan

Scraggs

You could try studying like a mofo for the remaining 3 months. Just a suggestion like.

Dave!

And why exactly shouldn't studying arts be someone's aspiration......???

humbert

You can spend a lot less than three months studying for the leving cert and get more than 375 points.

Blowfish

DaveMcG wrote:

And why exactly shouldn't studying arts be someone's aspiration......???

I was waiting for someone to ask that.

Anyway, if worst comes to worst you can always repeat.

DemonOfTheFall

estebancambias wrote:

well i can forget about arts then, so now il have to think of student loan

Why would you have to think of a student loan if you can't get the points for arts?

random_banter

You may surprise yourself. A small amount of study can go a long way!

Spectator#1

estebancambias wrote:

Im an idiot and should have taken school more serious, last year now with 3 months left im aiming for arts like well done people who get or got in but it shouldnt be your aspiration, but anyway whats the lowest possible points I could get into arts

Don't bother. Just get your job in McDonalds now. You'll be a manager in by the same time it takes you to get a degree that you got nothing out of. Don't waste your time.

There's nothing wrong with aspiring to do Arts. Stop listening to your friends parents. I think you should apologise for that statement to be honest, who the **** are you to tell people what they should or shouldn't aspire to?

People like you shouldn't aspire to do Arts, you're the reason it has the bad name that it does.

Pure Cork

Spectator#1 wrote:

Just get your job in McDonalds now. You'll be a manager in by the same time it takes you to get a degree that you got nothing out of

Do you want a career with that?

Blut

I did no work at all in 5th or 6th year, crammed for 3 weeks at the end of 6th year in the break before the LC and got well over 375. Its not a particularly hard exam, a month of 5 hours a day of proper study should get you 375 no problem.

panda100

Did all my study in the last three months for leaving. Just focus on doing as many past papers as u can and you should be grand

Garret

itl drop in points again this year, there's something like 4000 less CAO applicants this year compared to last

Garret

Garret wrote:

itl drop in points again this year, there's something like 4000 less CAO applicants this year compared to last

And how many less for Arts in UCD?

Nichololas

You have plenty of time, it's not even May yet..

I'm a lazy student, and the course I was interested in has extraordinarily low points so I was never all that worried about the LC but I started studying in the first and second weeks of May and got 475, 175 more than I needed.. (yay Comp Sci - Arts).:cool:

gubbie

And they who go on about it being the hardest exam of your life... college is a lot worse. I knew what I needed by about Christmas-the princely sum of 330 and I did nothing until the last month and still ended up with well well over that!

Garret

Myth wrote:

And how many less for Arts in UCD?

i dunno, but an overall decrease in around in the 7% (IIRC) is sizeable enough

jimi_t

estebancambias wrote:

Im an idiot....arts...shouldnt be your aspiration...
...whats the lowest possible points I could get into arts

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Why shouldn't people aspire to arts? If the course - undomininated arts - was limited to as many places as say... law, then the points would be equal or higher, as proved by the denominated arts choices which range from 440 to over 500pts. My own CAO had liberal arts BA/MA first, denominated psychology second and undenominated third. These were my preferences and this is what I aspired to, I would have been (proportionately) happy with any of them but I was delighted when I got my first choice and love the course.

I'd nearly repeat the leaving cert than do science if you're only looking at it from a low points perspective. You've a lot of people who missed Arts and then do Science as it's the next "respectable" course in UCD, and then flunk it out in their first year as they can't handle the coursework.

Computer Science w/Arts is lower points than normal arts. Its an extra year on your BA but if you have an interest in computing it might be worth a shout

Blowfish

jimi_t wrote:

Computer Science w/Arts is lower points than normal arts. Its an extra year on your BA but if you have an interest in computing it might be worth a shout

As long as you have a reasonable grasp at maths.

estebancambias

Hey sorry about the comment about not want to aspire to arts, I didnt mean it like that

gerry87

Arts isn't just 'arts', if you want to do psychology or economics you have to do Arts, they're B.A's. What subjects do you want to do? Where do you want to end up? If you got 600 points would you go for medicine because it's prestigious?

The points are just a supply and demand thing, there are more places for arts, so points are lower. Some sciences have really low points, but that doesn't mean they're pisstake subjects.

Personally i don't think i would like law or commerce, not my sort of subjects. I had them down higher on the CAO because i didnt know anything about them. I'm doing economics and i can't think of any subject i'd prefer to do.

Blush_01

I agree with your initial post OP. And why the hell should people do something they love, rather than doing something they hated but someone else thought more of, to lead on to a job they despise for the rest of their lives. That would be plain silly. You continue on the path you're on. Try a dash of racism and homophobia too. They'll make you a more well-rounded person.

Much love, Blush.xx

Jonny Arson

OP, I didn't take the whole Leaving Cert malarkey seriously until about 2 weeks before it, I crammed and I got Arts after thinking I'd end up with 300 points. If you're going for Arts aim for 370 and aim for say something like (if you're doing Higher level!) 4 x C3 grades of 60 points and 2 x C2 grades of 65 points which = 370 points = very achievable!! Make sure you actually want to do Arts because if you hate it and have no interest you'll be likely to join the drop out club

Garret wrote:

itl drop in points again this year, there's something like 4000 less CAO applicants this year compared to last

Ye serious? I know for a fact there's about 2,000 more students sitting the LC this year..... maybe they're seeing the light and going for PLC courses instead of the CAO route.

Garret

Jonny Arson wrote:

Ye serious? I know for a fact there's about 2,000 more students sitting the LC this year..... maybe they're seeing the light and going for PLC courses instead of the CAO route.

thats just what i read in the indo a while back

Donald-Duck

Garret wrote:

thats just what i read in the indo a while back

Sure you didn't read it about last year? Because I sat my leaving cert last year and we had a lot less students than normal sitting it.

Garret

Donald-Duck wrote:

Sure you didn't read it about last year? Because I sat my leaving cert last year and we had a lot less students than normal sitting it.

yeah but the article was saying how they were gonna see yet another drop this year

then again it was the indo...

GusherING

Birth rates fell during the 1980's and reached their lowest in 1990. So until 2009, the number of students sitting their leaving cert will continue to fall, then they'll begin to rise as the birth rate has risen since then.

fatal

Spectator#1 wrote:

There's nothing wrong with aspiring to do Arts.

cmon lets be honest mate

Spectator#1

fatal wrote:

cmon lets be honest mate

Yeah, ok, I suppose. Just because you said it like that!



There's nothing wrong with aspiring to do arts.

Garret

Garret wrote:

i dunno, but an overall decrease in around in the 7% (IIRC) is sizeable enough

Yeah, unless the demand for Arts in UCD is the same! I'm sure if you do a little study you'll be grand.

Dagnir Glaurung

The total number of applicants has increased by 2000. The number of applicants for Arts courses has decreased though. Only by a tiny bit though(33 less first preferences).

2006 Applications

2007 Applications

gubbie

jimi_t wrote:

Computer Science w/Arts is lower points than normal arts. Its an extra year on your BA but if you have an interest in computing it might be worth a shout

Its also considered to be a really good degree with good job prospects!

FionnMatthew

fatal wrote:

cmon lets be honest mate

You missed the hidden premise:

(Unless you're something of a churl) there's nothing wrong with (the idea of) aspiring to [study the] arts, (so long as that is within your area of interest).

mloc

I think there's a point being missed here.

Do you actually want to do arts? You shouldn't be aspiring to do ANY course unless its a course you're genuinely interested in. I thought I'd give engineering a go, didn't like it and moved (thanks to a pilot scheme that is now no longer available) after 6 weeks to science, for which the entrance points at the time (280) were a fair ould whack lower than what I got.

Points don't have any real correlation with course difficulty or graduate employment prospects. It's simply a measure of demand. Do what you really want to do... repeat if neccessary. It mightn't be the easiest way to get into college, but noone said it's gonna be easy.

Blush_01

By his own admission the OP is an idiot. I think that covers everything. Maybe he could just pretend to look for a job and go on the dole. Sounds like a career that involves very little actual work to me.

estebancambias

The dole is not an option for me, im trying now but i dont think i have enough time

jimi_t

estebancambias wrote:

The dole is not an option for me, im trying now but i dont think i have enough time

How about you spend less time on the net and more time studying?

estebancambias

Best post ever!!!

humbert

jimi_t wrote:

How about you spend less time on the net and more time studying?

Don't be an ass. Unless you know something about this I don't he's been online very little and you've no idea how much he's been studying.

estebancambias

here thanks but its alright like

fatal

FionnMatthew wrote:

You missed the hidden premise:

(Unless you're something of a churl) there's nothing wrong with (the idea of) aspiring to [study the] arts, (so long as that is within your area of interest).

C'mon man.......we are trying to guide this guy so that he can hopefully get into UCD and get a REAL degree;)
Im a "churl" cos lemme guess,you do arts:D ?

Spectator#1

fatal wrote:

C'mon man.......we are trying to guide this guy so that he can hopefully get into UCD and get a REAL degree;)
Im a "churl" cos lemme guess,you do arts:D ?

By making jokes like that you're scoring a spectacular own goal. That 'Arts is pointless' joke is so tired, trite and received that it's just plain boring. Nobody laughs at it now except for musty smelling fifty-year old graduates from the university of life.

So, you were being a) an unfunny cock, or b) wrong.

I picked Arts in my CAO because I was interested and also because I didn't want to close my options in terms of the careers that I was thinking about . It's definitely the best course I could have done, I got an awful lot out of it and I have no regrets about doing it. It's the kind of education that sets you up to continue learning for the rest of your life, whether you continue studying or not.

This guy needs to work hard now and do the best he can - which he definitely can do with 3 months. Nobody I know worked that hard until the last two months or so, I didn't do anything till the last two weeks.

Then he needs to take a year out and think about what he actually wants to do if he goes to college, then he should apply. Worst comes to the worst, if there's a course he really wants (which looks unlikely from the OP), he'll repeat and get it hopefully second time around. Big deal.

Lots of people like the OP decide Arts is the best they can get next to repeating the leaving and get nothing out of it; bitch about it, drop out, fail, whatever - those people don't actually want to study arts, they just don't want to not go to college or work.

Sangre

Surprisingly it the Arts students who have the time to write the longest posts.

pretty*monster

Suprisingly it's the arts students who write the most well thought out posts.

Sangre

You're right, that is surprising!

Blowfish

heh, its amusing how some of the arts students don't seem to be able to take a bit of slagging.

Anyway on topic, what are you basing all of this on OP? If its your mock, you should bear in mind that a huge amount of people fail their mock and still do fairly well in their leaving.

FionnMatthew

fatal wrote:

C'mon man.......we are trying to guide this guy so that he can hopefully get into UCD and get a REAL degree;)
Im a "churl" cos lemme guess,you do arts:D ?

I don't 'do' Arts. I study the arts.

A 'real degree' is a qualification in a proper University subject, like the arts or proper sciences.

A university is a centre of learning, and of the arts and sciences.

Degrees, real ones, were intended to be qualifications to signify progress within the academy. They had significance to employers for the sole reason that they were a good indicator of ability.

Degrees intended only to further employment prospects outside the academy - they are the symptom of business-oriented higher-learning, and have no legitimate claim to academic credibility.

Generally speaking, the more practical and career-oriented the subject, the less suitable it is for a University environment, and hence, the less suitable to it is the term 'REAL degree'.

If you're coming here to get a job, you are, in effect, passing through. Your degree isn't 'real' in any true sense. It's just a credit note.

You're not doing a 'real' degree, are you?

PS. I never said you were a churl. Where did you get the idea that I thought you were? Sensitive in that area much?

arbeitsscheuer

Sangre wrote:

You want some ketchup for that chip on your shoulder?

That's the best you can hit him with?

Congratulations Sangre. Truly, you are this generation's Hemingway.

Sangre

you bastard, l deleted it because it was so lame. So tempted to deleted your post.

Spectator#1

Sangre wrote:

Surprisingly it the Arts students who have the time to write the longest posts.

Is that on topic, moderator? Sounds a bit like trolling to me!

And I don't think that it's surprising at all. You see, we're taught to use our brains for more than adding numbers and sneering at people. The main reason I replied though is because I can't stand this Des Bishop school of comedy where we repeat truisms and roll our eyes at the gravity of ****, second-hand, second-rate wisdom - Fatal, I'm looking at you here, zero points for originality.