What "hot" diesels are availible?

Altreab

Hello
What "hot hatch" diesels are availible on the Irish Market? yes i know "hot hatch" and diesel dont normally go together but 130+ bhp in smaller cars gives pretty damn good performance in the real world
I have looked at the Golfs, Seats, Skoda ect ...are there others i should look at? What have peoples experiences with those cars been?

maidhc

Auris 2.2 D4D. Toyota here probably won't sell it though as the outfit seems to be run by chartered accountants!

copacetic

you can get the 2.0 TDI in the A3 with 170bhp, pretty quick
although not sure I'd call it a hot hatch but it gets to 60 in about
8 secs and hits 140mph. A bit steep though..

.Longshanks.

Altreab wrote:

Hello
What "hot hatch" diesels are availible on the Irish Market? yes i know "hot hatch" and diesel dont normally go together but 130+ bhp in smaller cars gives pretty damn good performance in the real world
I have looked at the Golfs, Seats, Skoda ect ...are there others i should look at? What have peoples experiences with those cars been?

I dunno if this would be your cup of tea, but i'm currently totally smitten for an alfa GT. The 1.9 diesel is 150 bhp so must be pretty ‘hot’. Fair enough its not exactly a hatchback but it’s the same no. seats as the golf / seats etc and a proper sized boot. Plus its also the most sexy thing on the road!

From reading all the posts relating to alfa’s on this board – you either are brave enough or not to go for one. Most posts seem to suggest that they are just as reliability as virtually any other car on the road (maybe except for Toyota or Honda) - after you wade throu all the posts which relate to a friend-of-a-friend who knew somebody who had one etc…

As far as I can gather the issue is really about the level of depreciation the car would attract but best way around this is to look out for a 2 / 3 year old one which has been looked after……

colm_mcm

Auris gets the 125bhp 2.0 and 6 speed manual from the Avensis over here, maidhc.

PauloMN

Altreab wrote:

Hello
What "hot hatch" diesels are availible on the Irish Market? yes i know "hot hatch" and diesel dont normally go together but 130+ bhp in smaller cars gives pretty damn good performance in the real world
I have looked at the Golfs, Seats, Skoda ect ...are there others i should look at? What have peoples experiences with those cars been?

Astra SRi 1.9 CDTi 16v. 150bhp and 0-60 in under 9 seconds. Pretty hot for a diesel.

Can also be remapped to over 200bhp:

http://www.celtictuning.co.uk/vehicles/vauxhall/vauxhall-Astra-mk5-ecu-remap-chip-engine-tuning.html

eamon234

Apparently the Fabia VRS is pretty nifty

maidhc

colm_mcm wrote:

Auris gets the 125bhp 2.0 and 6 speed manual from the Avensis over here, maidhc.

I know, but the 180bhp 2.2DCAT would be more fun.

Not that many would be sold since we tax cars by capacity rather than by emissions. Blah.

Still. The 2.0D4D wouldn't be bad at all.

Altreab

PauloMN wrote:

Astra SRi 1.9 CDTi 16v. 150bhp and 0-60 in under 9 seconds. Pretty hot for a diesel.

Can also be remapped to over 200bhp:

http://www.celtictuning.co.uk/vehicles/vauxhall/vauxhall-Astra-mk5-ecu-remap-chip-engine-tuning.html

What if any differance does mapping make to the Insurance?

vengeance52

your ment to disclose any changes to performance to the company, and the increase in BHP can increase your premium.

alot of people dont disclose and drive with a remapped or chipped car, but if they have an accident and the company find out, they can use it as a clause to not pay you.

They will pay any other third party claims, but not yours.

colm_mcm

Alfa 147 Lusso with the same engine 29k

Volvo c30 has a 136bhp 2.0 or a 180-ish bhp D5

ninty9er

maidhc wrote:

Auris 2.2 D4D. Toyota here probably won't sell it though as the outfit seems to be run by chartered accountants!

haha...I hope to be going to Toyota on Co-Op next January (as an accountant)

VeVeX

PauloMN wrote:

Astra SRi 1.9 CDTi 16v. 150bhp and 0-60 in under 9 seconds. Pretty hot for a diesel.

Can also be remapped to over 200bhp:

http://www.celtictuning.co.uk/vehicles/vauxhall/vauxhall-Astra-mk5-ecu-remap-chip-engine-tuning.html

That figure you quoted and the others on their website are highly optimistic.

Have a look at the power claims for VAG diesels and have a look at a reputable tuner like Revo.

Anan1

A bit more expensive, but the BMW 120d has just been upped to 177bhp, should be good for 0-100km/h in 7.5 or so seconds.

maidhc

ninty9er wrote:

haha...I hope to be going to Toyota on Co-Op next January (as an accountant)

http://www.youtubeindir.com/izle__Monty-Python-Lion-Tamer-Sketch__-V9xDgAjUaI.html

VeVeX

Anan1 wrote:

A bit more expensive, but the BMW 120d has just been upped to 177bhp, should be good for 0-100km/h in 7.5 or so seconds.

Yes but its a dreadful looking car.

mloc123

VeVeX wrote:

so, so true

ninty9er

maidhc wrote:

http://www.youtubeindir.com/izle__Monty-Python-Lion-Tamer-Sketch__-V9xDgAjUaI.html

Brilliant ROFL :D:D:D

I'm hoping to stay in industry thanks.....not cooped up in a cubicle in some block inhabited by 600 accountants

Back on topic: The new 207 comes wit a 110bhp 1.6...nothing spectacular but it is only pulling a supermini, the petrol is 150bhp

ninty9er

VeVeX wrote:

Yes but its a dreadful looking car.

Did anyone read they very small print....it's worth it!!!

bazz26

colm_mcm wrote:

Alfa 147 Lusso with the same engine 29k

Very rare to find a diesel 147 on these shores.

bazz26

MkIV Golf and MkI Seat Leon came with the 1.9 TDi PD 150bhp engine but very rare here, more common in the UK though.

Anan1

VeVeX wrote:

Yes but its a dreadful looking car.

Sure it is, and sure it has the same image problems as any other BMW. Probably the most accomplished diesel "hot hatch" to drive though.

JohnCleary

320d (150BHP) remapped to 180BHP?

Or the 330d? (sexy)

TheBazman

I know it is a golf, and you were looking for alternatives but it is "hot" (with a bit of work done) I would imagine that the kit is not everyones cup of tea

http://www.usedcars.ie/usedcars/index.cfm?fuseaction=car&carID=535656

fletch

Seat Ibiza Cupra 1.9 TDI PD 160
0-62mph - 7.6 secs
160bhp 330Nm
Not sure it's available in Ireland though, only ever seen them for sale up North/UK

Tis a good looking car too IMO

furtzy

VeVeX wrote:

Yes but its a dreadful looking car.

Very true....awful things. Had a quick spin in one a while back...more room in a Micra. No space, terrible spec, underpowered 1.6 engine all for over 30k...nonsense

According to a friend in the trade they are quite popular second-hand, at a much reduced rate, but selling them new is near impossible

colm_mcm

not as overpriced as an A3, at least the 1 series is RWD

fletch

eamon234 wrote:

Apparently the Fabia VRS is pretty nifty

One for sale here but it's more a warm hatch than hot hatch

Mc-BigE

335d coupe (if money no object!)

0 to 60 in 6.9 seconds!

http://www.carzone.ie/usedcars/index.cfm?fuseaction=car&carid=609394

a more sensible option would be the 320cd or 320d saloon, 150bhp (163bhp in the newer model)

a friend of mine bought a new alfa 159 diesel, and i must admit, it sounds very quiet for a diesel and has loads of power, might be better hand second, but that goes for all cars.

ciarsd

I'm currently driving my first diesel car - an MY2007 GT JTDm... it won't be my last.

It's a 1.9 4 cylinder 16v, and a hoot to drive. Returns good economy while packing some decent low down torque (305Nm @ 2000RPM & 150BHP @ 4000RPM) to make driving interesting once again. Delighted with it!

Pic's are a little big, sorry..

Interior:
http://i14.tinypic.com/2z6xx1v.jpg

Whoops, far out shot at Mondello
http://i13.tinypic.com/31359ut.jpg

mondeoman

Mondeo ST TDCi:D in sexy blue:) http://www.evo.co.uk/carreviews/evocarreviews/52261/ford_mondeo_st_tdci.html

prospect

bazz26 wrote:

Very rare to find a diesel 147 on these shores.

http://tinyurl.com/3ytauv

HashSlinging

ninty9er wrote:

Did anyone read they very small print....it's worth it!!!

some of the "gouys" in work drive them. they really need a lot spent on them to look good the basic one looks daft.

HashSlinging

fletch wrote:

One for sale here but it's more a warm hatch than hot hatch

Didnt top gear have a race between this and a cooper s and it was even stevens.

bazz26

prospect wrote:

http://tinyurl.com/3ytauv

Yes they are very rare (as mentioned in the first ad) but not impossible.

Mc-BigE

nobody mentioned this car yet:

http://www.carzone.ie/usedcars/index.cfm?fuseaction=car&carID=284917

fletch

HashSlinging wrote:

Didnt top gear have a race between this and a cooper s and it was even stevens.

No it was a Cooper, not a Cooper S

Biro

ciarsd wrote:

I'm currently driving my first diesel car - a GT JTDm... it won't be my last.

It's a 1.9 4 cylinder 16v, and a hoot to drive. Returns good economy while packing some decent low down torque (305Nm @ 2000RPM & 150BHP @ 4000RPM) to make driving interesting once again. Delighted with it!

Pic's are a little big, sorry..

Interior:
http://i14.tinypic.com/2z6xx1v.jpg

Whoops, far out shot at Mondello
http://i13.tinypic.com/31359ut.jpg

Ya, the GT are a great looking car, and that diesel engine is excellent. It's a Fiat power plant, and is the same as is used in the Astra that someone mentioned.
The Ibiza would be a good one because it's got a bit more power from the VAG tdi than the golf has, and it would be lighter.
Regarding the 335d... excellent engine and car, but hardly a hatch!! Might aswell throw in the A8 4.2 TDi, 0-60 in 5.9 secs!!

ciarsd

Mc-BigE wrote:

nobody mentioned this car yet:

http://www.carzone.ie/usedcars/index.cfm?fuseaction=car&carID=284917

Had a spin in one of these about 4 weeks back.. silver 2007 demo.

While it's powerful and a lot of car for the money, I didn't think it was driveable...wanting to spin in 1st 2nd and 3rd, without much effort...serious traction issues, which I got bored of (and frustrated with) very very quickly.

A friend of mine has the petrol MKII vRS, serious difference and a pleasure to drive and be driven in.

omega man

Fabia vRS tdi130 aint too bad or the golf/leon tdi150's. Having owned a leon tdi150 i can say it was fast for a diesel and with a remap it was fun to drive and returned at least 50mpg on average. The new vag tdi170 looks interesting and is availble in the golf, leon and octavia to name but a few.

copacetic

colm_mcm wrote:

not as overpriced as an A3, at least the 1 series is RWD

not sure this is correct, when I was looking the 1 series was actually more expensive retail than the equivalent A3. There
were better deals available on the 1 series though as they are having a terrible time selling them..

HashSlinging

I've an altea 2.0 Tdi, I can get it to 170bhp with a remap, is it worth it.? has anyone any experiance with remapping the 2.0Tdi.

furtzy

Biro wrote:

Ya, the GT are a great looking car, and that diesel engine is excellent. It's a Fiat power plant, and is the same as is used in the Astra that someone mentioned.

Have the 150 bhp version in my Vectra and its a cracking engine. In a small hatch I'd say it would be great fun. Think theres an SRi Astra available with this. Probably quite expensive though

Fizman

prospect wrote:

http://tinyurl.com/3ytauv

Any one agree with me that that 147 looks very 1 series like??? Wouldnt be my cup of tea

VeVeX

VeVeX wrote:

Yes but its a dreadful looking car.

Class war in disguise

But 30k for an underpowered 1.6, no thanks!

Anan1

Fizman wrote:

Any one agree with me that that 147 looks very 1 series like??? Wouldnt be my cup of tea

Facelifted cars rarely look as well as the original design. The 1 series may not be beautiful, but at least it's homogenous. The facelifted 147 looks awful, a big step backwards from the original.

siralfalot

I suppose my diesel is fairly "hot", Alfa 156 2.4jtd, 200 horses on tap

ciarsd

Fizman wrote:

Any one agree with me that that 147 looks very 1 series like??? Wouldnt be my cup of tea

Try the other way around...

The 1 series looks like the 147.. same designer I believe. Designed the 147 first back in 99/00, released in mid 2001.

Biro

I still don't understand why manufacturers insist on a 6-speed box with their higher end diesels. Diesels don't need 6 speed, and all you get as ciarsd said is wheelspin. 5 speed is adequate as you don't need to rev the balls off a diesel.

furtzy

siralfalot wrote:

I suppose my diesel is fairly "hot", Alfa 156 2.4jtd, 200 horses on tap

Very nice. Very tempted to get a 159 or GT next....can't beat those Italian diesel engines.

Any reliabilty issues? Rather hear it from an owner than the usual Alfa bashers on here

.Longshanks.

furtzy wrote:

Rather hear it from an owner than the usual Alfa bashers on here

Yeah me too - thinkin hard on an GT 1.9 diesel:)