Terminator 4

Rabies

The third sequel is underway - a script is apparently ready and filming is due to begin soon for a 2008 release, with Jonathan Mostow back (after T3) to direct again. But while Arnie won't be the main threat in the film, he's likely to cameo at some point - that much, at least, is apparently in his contract, and MGM chairman Harry Sloan has said that he expects him to cameo.

T3 was terrible. Now it is on it's way back with the same director. Gonna suck.

http://www.empireonline.com/news/story.asp?NID=20437

Ruu_Old

They'll need a miracle to make this work alright. Nick Stahl is listed on IMDB to play John O' Connor again but Wiki sez Edward Furlong is in talks with producers in hopes to return in for the role.

Terminator 1 - 18's
Terminator 2 - 15's
Terminator 3 - 12's
Terminator 4- PG?

Why, oh why, are they bringing out a fourth one? The third should never have been made.

faceman

Arnie has been confirmed (well almost) for a cameo.

OfflerCrocGod

faceman wrote:

Arnie has been confirmed (well almost) for a cameo.

Only a cameo? Kinda begs the question what's the point of a terminator movie without a terminator?!

Mossy Monk

OfflerCrocGod wrote:

what's the point of a terminator movie without a terminator?!

someone else could be a terminator?

Kojak

Deleted User wrote:

The third should never have been made.

I was initially looking forward to it when it was released, but I was soon disappointed with it. It, IMO, became more about arnie making jokes etc. than saving earth.

T4, at the moment, doesn't sound good - a film/tv show without its iconic character (in this case Arnie) usually falls flat on its face and is only a pale reflection of its former self

Kinetic^

Mossy Monk wrote:

someone else could be a terminator?

How silly would that be? :rolleyes:

They should just stop, they're ruined the series with 3...........just stop!!!!

ixoy

Kojak wrote:

I was initially looking forward to it when it was released, but I was soon disappointed with it. It, IMO, became more about arnie making jokes etc. than saving earth.

But ummm

he didn't save the earth. The earth got decimated at the end - easily the highlight of the movie.

T4 has some potential if it picks up directly where the last finished but no I won't hold out much hope.

As to the lack of Arnie - he's getting a bit too old for it anyway most liklely and his heart mighn't be in it with his governating currently on his mind.

SuperSean11

Mossy Monk wrote:

someone else could be a terminator?

They cud just use the woman from T3 as the terminaters Shes sopposed to be a better terminater anyway

I actually liked T3. It wasn't a patch on the previous films but was still good fun.

The TV show, The Sarah Connor Chronicles looks pretty decant.

The Denouncer

Terminator 3 wasn't that bad compared to the likes of The Matrix Reloaded which came out around the same time in the cinema. It was on TV last night and is complete rubbish, with terrible dialog and way too much dodgy CGI.

s8n

T3 was'nt that bad a movie. Great ending.

TerrorFirmer

T3 was ok, but not great. Ending was good though, and I know regardless I'm going to be really anticipating T4 anyway. If it's directly about the war between man and machine it could be quite good. But I really hope it's not another 12A feature. That sucked...

Rabies

The Denouncer wrote:

Terminator 3 wasn't that bad compared to the likes of The Matrix Reloaded which came out around the same time in the cinema. It was on TV last night and is complete rubbish, with terrible dialog and way too much dodgy CGI.

I would prefer to watch The Matrix reloaded than sit through T3 again.

dr.bollocko

T3 took a classic bleak sci-fi genre movie and turned it into one big gay joke with no punchline. How can T4 hope to recover from that?
But then there was Batman Begins.....
Who knows!

constitutionus

OfflerCrocGod wrote:

Only a cameo? Kinda begs the question what's the point of a terminator movie without a terminator?!

umm, how about actually showing us the war?

i liked the last one and how it had the balls to say that the war was inevitable. now we should actually get to see skynets plans for the earth , the creations of the first gen of terminators and prehaps the cameo of arnie is him being used as the template by the machines for the model that goes back in time, something suitably grusome showing how they'd end up cloning his genetic material to slap on the terminator skeletons. if anyones any brains they should get micheal biehn to play the adult john connor. he is his da after all and it'd be a nice nod of the head to the first movie

monkeyfudge

The first one was the only one I really enjoyed.

I actually thought 3 was better than 2. The whole annoying kid and the Terminator learning to be human was awful... and there was far too much of Linda Hamilton in it... she's an atrocious actress.

projectmayhem

ixoy wrote:

T4 has some potential if it picks up directly where the last finished but no I won't hold out much hope.

exactly. i didn't love t3, but it wasn't awful. it would be nice if james cameron got on board with writing at least, but i guess we're stuck with the other guy.

faceman

Plot details below

its going to be crap

dr.bollocko

hehehe

Pepe LeFrits

T3 was okay taken as a standalone film and not the final part of a trilogy. Far too light-hearted, terrible script, but it had some great fx and music, and a good ending.

T4 could be fantastic but odds are that it won't be. Arnie doesn't need to be in it - they could easily make an entire film about the war with the machines, and not involve any human actors on the machines side at all. The CGI terminators without the flesh over them are far better actors than Ahnuld anyway.

J.R.HARTLEY

i'd love to see robert patricks t100 back, i reckon the cgi now could make him look savage, as for Arnie only cameoing its dissapointing but from a story point of view its inevitable he wants to play the hero,the studio since T1 have wanted him to play the hero, but how many scenarios can you come up with for a killing machine to be transformed into the hero.

(funny sidenote when Cameron put the idea of Arnie as the terminator to the studio they wanted him to be the hero, and suggested O.J.Simpson as the terminator cameron sadi "Who's going to believe OJ Simpson as a cold blooded killer)ah sure you probably heard that before anyway.

yabadabado

not expecting to much from it to be honest t3 was ****e

kevthecelt

monkeyfudge wrote:

I actually thought 3 was better than 2. The whole annoying kid and the Terminator learning to be human was awful... and there was far too much of Linda Hamilton in it... she's an atrocious actress.

Oh dear is all ill say, i would love to see your top 10 movies list.

dr.bollocko

hehe
Suburban Commando is number one right?
I mean if Suburban Commando isnt commonly accepted to be the best movie ever then Im just not posting here anymore.
That, and Highlander. It won the oscar... for best movie ever made ever....

monkeyfudge

Suburban Commando is easily the best film ever.... staring Hulk Hogan

patch

They need to use the time travel aspect and move it back to WW2.
And use Robert Patrick more.
And get rid of the chick(s).

FX Meister

Deleted User wrote:

Terminator 1 - 18's
Terminator 2 - 15's
Terminator 3 - 12's
Terminator 4- PG?

Why, oh why, are they bringing out a fourth one? The third should never have been made.

Every heard of the concept of money?

1huge1

It will have to be very good to win back the orignal fans thats for sure still though in all fairness who is not gonna check it out

CyberGhost

FX Meister wrote:

Every heard of the concept of money?

Ever heard of James Cameron? and making a good movie for a change?

I lost interest in this immediatly after reading that Mostov is going to be ruining... sorry "directing" it.

It may not be *that* bad, but, I'm pretty damn sure it won't be anywhere near a masterpiece T1 and T2 were.

lodgepole

Jonothan Mostow is a decent director. Breakdown was great and U571 was if you were able to stomach the factual untruths.

Terminator 3 wasn't as good as the first two, obviously, but it was a great story. Much smaller in scope than the first two. I though the ending was much braver than either of the first two films. The only element I really hated was making the terminator himself a comedy sidekick, something Cameron did with much more subtelty in Terminator 2 (notably in the extended edition).

Necronomicon

monkeyfudge wrote:

The first one was the only one I really enjoyed.

I actually thought 3 was better than 2. The whole annoying kid and the Terminator learning to be human was awful... and there was far too much of Linda Hamilton in it... she's an atrocious actress.

:eek: :eek: :eek:

I'll go see this but not with a shred of hope!

TerrorFirmer

I never really liked Robert Patrick. I always thought it'd be cool if they had someone like Dolph Lundgren playing a rival terminator....

monkeyfudge

HavoK wrote:

I never really liked Robert Patrick. I always thought it'd be cool if they had someone like Dolph Lundgren playing a rival terminator....

Nah... Lance Henrickson would make a good terminator.

dr.bollocko

Lodgepole wrote:

Jonothan Mostow is a decent director. Breakdown was great and U571 was if you were able to stomach the factual untruths.

:eek: :eek: :eek:
Breakdown is one of the most retarded movies ever made ever.
Its Michael Bay bad. One of the few I actually couldnt take anymore and just walked out of. It was ridiculous, retarded and starred Kurt goddamn Russell. There are no saving graces for that movie.

monkeyfudge

Hey... calm down... lets not say any bad things about Kurt Russel that we might regret later.

Raskolnikov

monkeyfudge wrote:

Nah... Lance Henrickson would make a good terminator.

I like him, but isn't he far too old?

lodgepole

dr.bollocko wrote:

:eek: :eek: :eek:
Breakdown is one of the most retarded movies ever made ever.
Its Michael Bay bad. One of the few I actually couldnt take anymore and just walked out of. It was ridiculous, retarded and starred Kurt goddamn Russell. There are no saving graces for that movie.

You've convinced me. I hadn't realised it was retarded.

Breakdown and U571 were both very tense action movies. T3 had some of that, along with a really interesting story. I would have shaved off a few scenes, cut the comedy out, but there's a great film in there. And i'll say it again; ****ing amazing ending.

lodgepole

monkeyfudge wrote:

Nah... Lance Henrickson would make a good terminator.

Isn't there a James Cameron painting of Henrikson as the terminator from the first film? I tried googling it but couldn't find it... I can't have just dreamt that...

Also, I would love to see Dolph Lundgren playing a Terminator.

Lemming

Whislt not really up to the first two films, T3 was alright. You know there's something ominous looming on the horizon throughout the film and that it's only getting worse. Whatever about most of the film though, the "rise" of the machines, showing the early versions of what we recognise from the first two films was a nice nod too.

Not to forget the ending was inspired.

MOTHERTRUCKER

I think Brendan Gleeson would be the perfect Terminator.

The T :JOE90
Come over here and i'll bleedin burst YA!:D
Instead of the Harley Davidson, he could have a honda 50.
"I need your bleedin brog's your tracksuit and your motorcycle".

And we could have Mary Kennedy as T: MILF.

Colin Farrell could be John Connor.

Lodgepole

Lodgepole wrote:

Isn't there a James Cameron painting of Henrikson as the terminator from the first film? I tried googling it but couldn't find it... I can't have just dreamt that...

Also, I would love to see Dolph Lundgren playing a Terminator.

I think it's on The Terminator Special Edition. Henrikson was Cameron's original choice.

unreggd

they probably think the new series about Sarah Connor has sparked more interest in the movies

BlitzKrieg

I though the ending was much braver than either of the first two films.

Sorry I have to say the ending of terminator 3 was down right f*cking awful.

The premise of the original terminator films was that the future was unwritten and that it can be changed, either by a terminator or a human.

The ending of T3

with the rise of skynet being unstoppable

sh*ts all over the point of the original films. Hell it even sh*ts on the premise of there being a terminator. If the future cannot be changed then whats the point of sending a machine back trying to change it?


Now the rest of the film compared to the other films out around the same time (matrix sequels etc) was entertaining because while all the other films were going for the now nausiating over the top acrobats and bullet time, T3 had an excellent car chase scene involving much destruction of property, the fight scenes actually looked like people were hitting each other and it had nice big guns.

The T-X though was stupid. First she wasnt that threatening (nowhere near arnie in 1 or robert patrick as t-1000) secondly her *advantages* were a mixed bag of cool (her ability to control arnie) stupid (being able to control cars) and downright annoying (her weapons from the future) another feature of terminator films that was brilliant was the fact that there big f*ck off machines come from the future...but couldnt bring any guns with them. They are forced to use weapons that are downright ineffective and have to come up with an original way of defeating the other. T3 copped out on this far too much (between arnies nuclear battery and the Tx's uber weapons.)


On a terminator 4...big meh. Mostow is a good director enough for car chases, but his pacing is downright pathetic and his films always come off feeling far too small. worse choice director when given a franchise by james cameron, who by comparison always ends up making things far too big (True lies, Titanic, Aliens, Terminator).

lodgepole

BlitzKrieg wrote:

The premise of the original terminator films was that the future was unwritten and that it can be changed, either by a terminator or a human.

I don't think the end of Terminator 2 has to mean that the future can be changed, I think you could take it that it was what Sarah and John had to believe to put them on the path that would eventually lead to John leading humanity to victory.

If that's the case, why do the robots send Terminators back? Maybe nobody knows whether the future can be changed, and it's all guess work.

In any case, I don't think any of the films really have a point as such, I think they're just action sci fi. T3 did it for me, it's sitting on my shelf as proudly as the other two and I play it regularly, when the oppurtunity for turning the speakers up presents itself.

BlitzKrieg

If that's the case, why do the robots send Terminators back?

Which is my point, if the future was written in stone as terminator 3 insinuated (

by the terminator knowing he could not stop skynet etc

) then what was the point of terminators to begin with. Skynet would have known that it would have no effect on events and that it was still f*cked to loose the war because it couldnt change its future.

Maybe nobody knows whether the future can be changed, and it's all guess work

But it does change, it changes between 1 and 2 with the events of terminator 1 escalating the war, and again between 2 and 3 by delaying it. The difference between 3 and the others is the acceptance that it must happen when the base of all the previous films is that for good or evil the future can be changed.

in any case, I don't think any of the films really have a point as such,

i dont know james Cameron on the special features of the first 2 dvds goes into a sort of george lucas kind of trance when he talks about the terminator plotline.

Also the fact that the philosaphy of the first two films is rammed home by first Kyle reece and then Sarah Conner quite strongly in both films. With that slogan of theirs about the future not being written.

its a strong element of the first 2 films of having this phantom future. Which the characters are always running from, which through the actions of the present changes again and again. Allowing that future to finally catch up takes away a huge aspect of the films narrative.

lodgepole

Across the three films though, there is one inevitability, and that's that a war takes place. Maybe in the context of the series, the future can be changed, but the level of inevitability regarding the war is so great that the best approach for them to take was on a smaller scale. That is, try to tip the balance of the war.

I guess I just didn't see the film, the ending in particular, as being particularly contradictory to the events in the first two films. After all, despite their best efforts in the first film, the war still happens. Despite their best efforts in the second film, it appears the war still happens.

ixoy

I'm in agreement with LodgePole - I don't see it as contradictory. The events in the movies postpone the future threat and, to some degree, change it (was the nature of SkyNet not altered?). Therefore the future is not immutable.

Perhaps now, for example, the war can be won more easily. Perhaps less humans have to die due to the events of the three movies. That's something that was worth fighting for.

On a side note, I just read today that Kristanna Loken (the T-X in T3) is starring in a new SciFi show called "Painkiller Jane", meaning she probably wouldn't be available for T4. No loss there then.

BlitzKrieg

I guess it isnt contradictory...I just always seen it as such.

like I said the first two films really drive home this Phantom future feeling, with only brief glimpse of it in each film but it is always overbearing throughout the film as a constant threat that must be fought off.

When the third one actually made that future a reality...it sort of killed off a huge part of the tension for me.

hence...I hate the terminator 3 ending.

TerrorFirmer

ixoy wrote:

On a side note, I just read today that Kristanna Loken (the T-X in T3) is starring in a new SciFi show called "Painkiller Jane", meaning she probably wouldn't be available for T4. No loss there then.

They made a movie of that fairly recently....words wouldn't do it justice. Not in the positive sense either. Not sure if she was in the movie....but I doubt the show could possibly be based on the success of the movie in any case!

Last thing I saw her in was Bloodrayne...not one for the resume anyway.