Tvr

Beady

TVR. they melt. When the Engine of one of those cars gets hot and the car is left sitting, bodywork, melts!

It's plastic!!

What's the point!

il gatto

And they fall apart. But they go like stink, look like sex on wheels and sound like thunder. If you can afford one as a toy, they look like alot of fun. Biggest drawback is that if anyone asks what TVR stands for, you have to tell them it's short for Trevor:(

Funxy

That's funny because if you see below the Tvr is made from the same stuff that most of the supercars are. Funny i've never heard of any melting before, or falling apart for that matter!


"Use of Carbon fiber reinforced plastic material has been more readily adopted by low-volume manufacturers like TVR who use it primarily for creating body-panels for some of their high-end cars due to its increased strength and decreased weight

Several supercars over the past few decades have incorporated CFRP extensively in their manufacture, using it for their monocoque chassis as well as other components. Examples include the Koenigsegg CCR, Koenigsegg CCX, McLaren F1, Bugatti Veyron, Bugatti EB110, Pagani Zonda, Enzo Ferrari and Porsche Carrera GT."

Linked from Wiki - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graphite_reinforced_plastic

MAYPOP

Beady wrote:

TVR. they melt. When the Engine of one of those cars gets hot and the car is left sitting, bodywork, melts!

It's plastic!!

What's the point!

maybe yer confused between cars and wibbly wobbly wonders?

drdre

Beady wrote:

TVR. they melt. When the Engine of one of those cars gets hot and the car is left sitting, bodywork, melts!

It's plastic!!

What's the point!

Where did you hear that.Do you have any links?

vengeance52

MAYPOP wrote:

maybe yer confused between cars and wibbly wobbly wonders?

brill, that comment just made my day, and now i gotta head to a shop for ice cream

My mates dad took a test drive in a Tuscan S last year and loved it, said it was great to drive and the sound was amazing, and the only reason he didnt buy it was he was movin house and the house he moved too didnt have a driveway.

ds20prefecture

Beady wrote:

What's the point!

I suppose the point is to provide something that gives a proper raw driving experience with supercar performance for the price of, say, an M5.

Now while the mewling lemmings and ill-informed half wits that populate this forum by and large might find them a bit challenging (ew! it's not a Toyota, or a VW, or a BMW so it must be terrible) actual car entusiasts generally find them to be a very appealing proposition. As you have about 5 car enthusiasts (as opposed to resale value and reliability survey enthusiasts) it is easy to see why such a flame-bait thread would be started here.

If i wanted a unusual/unique hand built car with superb performance credentials but without 1.5 tonnes of safety gear I'd buy a TVR. If I wanted a car that would meet with the approval of the Motoring forum of boards.ie I'd buy a diesel Toyota while secretly aspiring to a 316i.

richardsheil

You're great DS

Absolutely bang on by the way!

Somebody on here a few weeks ago was enthusing about a Carina II for gawd's sake.

Robbo

DS, Nail. Head.

Although you forgot the brigade who think that chipping a VAG TDI turns it into a Veyron beater.

bennyx_o

ds20prefecture wrote:

I suppose the point is to provide something that gives a proper raw driving experience with supercar performance for the price of, say, an M5.

Now while the mewling lemmings and ill-informed half wits that populate this forum by and large might find them a bit challenging (ew! it's not a Toyota, or a VW, or a BMW so it must be terrible) actual car entusiasts generally find them to be a very appealing proposition. As you have about 5 car enthusiasts (as opposed to resale value and reliability survey enthusiasts) it is easy to see why such a flame-bait thread would be started here.

If i wanted a unusual/unique hand built car with superb performance credentials but without 1.5 tonnes of safety gear I'd buy a TVR. If I wanted a car that would meet with the approval of the Motoring forum of boards.ie I'd buy a diesel Toyota while secretly aspiring to a 316i.

Post of the year. Description of the TVR is bang on, IMO. If I had the money and wanted a car with good performance and looks to match, I'd definatley consider a TVR. Not many other cars can deliver as much power for the price, and I think they all look fantastic.

Anan1

I'll second that. I don't know that i'd actually buy one, but I like living in a world where such cars exist.

drdre

Anan1 wrote:

I'll second that. I don't know that i'd actually buy one, but I like living in a world where such cars exist.

Yeah the preformance of a tvr is excellent but i donot know if i would buy one

Anan1

drdre wrote:

Yeah the preformance of a tvr is excellent but i donot know if i would buy one

If I did, i'd probably keep an 88 Corolla for emergencies.;)

Funxy

I'd watch what you say about Tvr's. Beware as they can be a dangerous beast. This morning the Sagaris was not a happy bunny at all. Unfortunatly she took matters into her own hands and decided to take her aggression out on my cat who was promptly swallowed while cleaning the car :eek:




I raaaan (as best i could with a leg brace and limp) with the hose in one hand and the towel in the other for help to remove the bonnet to free the poor pussy cat. When i came back there he was sitting on the bonnet with a big smirk (i swear cats can smirk, he looked so smug ) acting all innocent as if nothing had happened!

maidhc

Who makes the engines and so forth for TVR? I assume they can't afford to build their own?

.. Just figured out they make their own. Pity the company has been destroyed by a 24yr old "owner".

Cerbera

Here's a picture of one that warped.



It was left ticking over too long and overheated.

The steam had no place to escape since they are so well sealed and it just inflated.


Really.

Funxy

Ok i lied ..... its true, they over inflate and melt

jozi

Is that purple flip paint the one some spoted and posted in the what is seen today thread? You own it?

As for TVR's i think they nearly all look fantastic in the pictures ive seen, have yet to see one in the flesh. They are what cars should be like

PauloMN

TVRs are rubbish, they can't be reliable as my Primera or economical either.

My '07 Primera with 1000km on the clock has never let me down. Even starts first time when it's wet outside.

I'd say it'd give a TVR a real thumping on the motorway as well - it's a 1.6 sure - except maybe a Golf. And it's great on juice.

Did I say it's never let me down?

Stephen

I always feel sad when people ask me SURE WHY DO YOU NEED ANYTHING BIGGER THAN A 1.6?

rabbitinlights

Funxy wrote:

This morning my Sagaris

You have a sagaris?


Give us a spin in it?

MAYPOP

yeah but seriously, my punto/focus/206/micra (very nippy for a 1litre) will get me there just as quickly as any TVR when you consider the traffic in Dublin

vengeance52

Well you dont have to drive in dublin all the time, if you were driving on motorways alot, then id rather have a TVR than a punto or focus.

bazz26

This thread seems to have gone off on a bit of a tangent about what type of car you drive seems to be a measure of how much of a motoring enthusiast you are.

Some TVR, Porsche, etc owners may know absolutely nothing about motors or simply don't car but bought the car to improve his/her social standing or image. Whereas your average genuine motoring enthusiasts driving his/her Focus, Avensis, whatever, are simply driving their real world car, doesn't mean they are any less pasionate about motoring imo.

Everyone to their own I say. It should be about the passion the driver has for all things motoring, not just the car you drive or own.

maidhc

bazz26 wrote:

This thread seems to have gone off on a bit of a tangent about what type of car you drive seems to be a measure of how much of a motoring enthusiast you are.

Some TVR, Porsche, etc owners may know absolutely nothing about motors or simply don't car but bought the car to improve his/her social standing or image. Whereas your average genuine motoring enthusiasts driving his/her Focus, Avensis, whatever, are simply driving their real world car, doesn't mean they are any less pasionate about motoring imo.

Everyone to their own I say. It should be about the passion the driver has for all things motoring, not just the car you drive or own.

Well said. The most knowledgeable person about cars I know drives a 1988 Toyota Starlet 1.0, with 190k miles on the clock, and a 1959 Ford Zephyr.

Funxy

I completly agree with you there bazz. However if you are an enthusiast i would dare say you would give Tvr a bit of respect for the fact they are such a pure drivers car. I believe the a higher percentage of pepe who own a tvr do so for enthusiast reasons, say compared to a porsche. Just my two pence worth.

P.s I agree with you completly about enthusiasts coming from a broad range across the board. But again i don't find too many of them on boards.ie . I don't think the thread was about what car you drive i think it was a bit of trolling that was pointed in a humourous direction so as not to go in a bad direction like the other thread

dubtom

I've only seen a couple of TVR's in the flesh and last week on the north wall was one of those times. A yellow one,not 100% on tvr models, but it sounded fantastic.I fell in love with the cerebra years ago when I saw it introduced on the old top gear,clarkson loved it and even more an uprated version that was introduced a couple of years later.Now though, they seem to get stick about reliabilty and clarkson poopoo's them.Is a degree in mechanics a must if you own one?

zilog_jones

There was a blue Cerbera going around the Raheen Industrial Estate last summer. Twas a mental yoke

bazz26

zilog_jones wrote:

There was a blue Cerbera going around the Raheen Industrial Estate last summer. Twas a mental yoke

Yeah I think I seen that in the Dell car park alright.

pburns

ds20prefecture wrote:

Now while the mewling lemmings and ill-informed half wits that populate this forum by and large might find them a bit challenging (ew! it's not a Toyota, or a VW, or a BMW so it must be terrible) actual car entusiasts generally find them to be a very appealing proposition. As you have about 5 car enthusiasts (as opposed to resale value and reliability survey enthusiasts) it is easy to see why such a flame-bait thread would be started here.

If i wanted a unusual/unique hand built car with superb performance credentials but without 1.5 tonnes of safety gear I'd buy a TVR. If I wanted a car that would meet with the approval of the Motoring forum of boards.ie I'd buy a diesel Toyota while secretly aspiring to a 316i.

Can't agree with this. I think those who are ONLY interested in exotica/performance cars are not REAL enthusiasts. My ideal garage would have a 911 (ideally a mid '80s Carrera, non whale-tale, dark colour), a really sound LR Defender for mucking about on the land (sub-12 grand, not too fussy about the age) and maybe a BMW 320d for everyday use (or failing that a Jap saloon - Honda/Mazda/Subaru would do fine).

I also enjoy the discussions about 20-year-old Carinas though - these were part of the street furniture not so long ago. Such cars are a hell of a lot more relevant than some posing-pouch exotic. TVRs look great, sound great but ownership would be a pain in the ass I'd wager. The world would be a poorer place without such cars but they just don't float my boat. I'd actually be embarrassed to be seen in something overly ostentatious...

siralfalot

pburns wrote:

TVRs look great, sound great but ownership would be a pain in the ass I'd wager....

excelent, go buy a Carina so, leaves more TVR's for the rest of us to buy!:D

I fully intend to buy a Cerbera in the next two years, especially after seeing and hearing Cerbera's eh ...................... Cerbera up close
does that make me wierd? that I don't care that I'll have a 4.2 V8 that will deafen as well as choke poor bunny rabbits as i pass, that it will drink more petrol than a 3 mile tailback on the M50, or that i won't be able to drive it on a "mildly moist" day for fear that it kills me?:rolleyes: nah....... real car enthuisasts are interested in all cars, from the mundane like my Carina, Avensis, and Alfa 156, to the downright ludicris like Verons, Zondas etc. its each to their own taste, and if someone has the balls (sorry Funxy;) ) to go out and get something like a TVR for sheer kicks, and not worry about such trivial issues as reliability they should be applauded, not baited with threads such as this

prospect

ds20prefecture wrote:

Now while the mewling lemmings and ill-informed half wits that populate this forum by and large might find them a bit challenging (ew! it's not a Toyota, or a VW, or a BMW so it must be terrible) actual car entusiasts generally find them to be a very appealing proposition. As you have about 5 car enthusiasts (as opposed to resale value and reliability survey enthusiasts) it is easy to see why such a flame-bait thread would be started here.

If i wanted a unusual/unique hand built car with superb performance credentials but without 1.5 tonnes of safety gear I'd buy a TVR. If I wanted a car that would meet with the approval of the Motoring forum of boards.ie I'd buy a diesel Toyota while secretly aspiring to a 316i.

Oh, what a breath of fresh air.....

I am so sick and tired of the same B.S. being spouted on here, and that post sums it all up perfectly.

Well done DS.

freq modulated

pburns wrote:

TVRs look great, sound great but ownership would be a pain in the ass I'd wager.

I drive a Toyota that in my opinion looks and sounds great BUT ownership is a pain in the ass! From the amount of tax i pay, petrol she drinks, a few squeeks and rattles that are hiding anytime i take the time to fix them, the unwanted attention it brings, the worrying I do everytime I park it in a car park. . . . . . and then dont start me on how much I worry about my "Carbon Footprint" :rolleyes: !!! Do you think all this matters once I'm driving?? Does it even cross my mind??

So you wouldnt drive a Toyota either....jaysus...get a bike would ya!!

um7y1h83ge06nx

zilog_jones wrote:

There was a blue Cerbera going around the Raheen Industrial Estate last summer. Twas a mental yoke

I think it's usually now parked near the apartments opposite Clohessy's in Ballycummin. Nice motor alright. Used to ohhh and ahhh at it when I was living near there.

ds20prefecture

ds20prefecture wrote:

I suppose the point is to provide something that gives a proper raw driving experience with supercar performance for the price of, say, an M5.

Now while the mewling lemmings and ill-informed half wits that populate this forum by and large might find them a bit challenging (ew! it's not a Toyota, or a VW, or a BMW so it must be terrible) actual car entusiasts generally find them to be a very appealing proposition. As you have about 5 car enthusiasts (as opposed to resale value and reliability survey enthusiasts) it is easy to see why such a flame-bait thread would be started here.

If i wanted a unusual/unique hand built car with superb performance credentials but without 1.5 tonnes of safety gear I'd buy a TVR. If I wanted a car that would meet with the approval of the Motoring forum of boards.ie I'd buy a diesel Toyota while secretly aspiring to a 316i.

Well said.
This forum desperately needs a muppet genocide.

I saw a three page thread last week that was talking about how a D reg is the best plate for a car...
Dear god motors, get a grip.. :eek:

ds20prefecture

bazz26 wrote:

Some TVR, Porsche, etc owners may know absolutely nothing about motors or simply don't car but bought the car to improve his/her social standing or image. Whereas your average genuine motoring enthusiasts driving his/her Focus, Avensis, whatever, are simply driving their real world car, doesn't mean they are any less pasionate about motoring imo.

Seriously - You reckon that the average Porsche or TVR driver is actually less likley to be car enthusiast than your average Avensis driver? Most Porsche or TVR owners & drivers I have met tend to be highly enthusiastic about their particular cars and cars in general. They also tend to be just a leetle bit daft in the head, which might explain why they put so much of their hard earned into such a fast depreciating luxury. Sure I've also met the ones who simply must have a Porsche because that rotter Timothy in the Golf Club has been rubbing my nose in it with his Boxster.

I've also met Avensis drivers who believe their car improves their standing and image - witness annoying smug twat in the ad. I have never - NEVER met an Avensis driver who seems in the least interested in cars. I'm sure they exist, but isn't it odd that I've met 3 TVR owners and 5 Porsche owners who are all complete petrol heads? I assure you it is not because of some rarified social circle I hang out in - I drive a Skoda.

I always see the phrase "genuine" enthusiast associated with people who rave about the cars that the world and it's mother already own. This seems to imply that if you are lucky enough to own a Ferrari, a Porsche, a TVR or a Lamborghini (please note the spelling, DrDre) then you're not "genuine", you're only showing off how much money you have. In my experience, nothing could be further from the truth.

Biro

ds20prefecture wrote:

I always see the phrase "genuine" enthusiast associated with people who rave about the cars that the world and it's mother already own. This seems to imply that if you are lucky enough to own a Ferrari, a Porsche, a TVR or a Lamborghini (please note the spelling, DrDre) then you're not "genuine", you're only showing off how much money you have. In my experience, nothing could be further from the truth.

I dunno... I agree with your first post completely, but I've seen programs on lotto winners (UK) and some lassie in her 40's would go to her local Ferrari dealer and point out the one she likes. That makes me sad that a car like an F430 can go to someone who thinks all Ferraris are nice red cars. Look at westlife too, you think they knew how many bhp they had (2 of them) under the nose of their 575M's? Or even where Maranello was?!?
TVR's on the other hand... most millionaires would think thats just another business acronym

galwaytt

Biro wrote:

.....and some lassie in her 40's would go to her local Ferrari dealer and point out the one she likes. That makes me sad .....Look at westlife too, you think they knew how many bhp they had (2 of them) under the nose of their 575M's? Or even where Maranello was?!?
TVR's on the other hand... most millionaires would think thats just another business acronym

You're in danger of becoming that which you decry by writing stuff like that, but you're also missing another very big point......

First, unless I'm completely misguided, the majority on here are not in a position to buy these things new, if ever, so..........
Second, if people like you decry didn't buy them new, we could never get them second/third/fourth hand. We need people like them to keep buying, to keep selling, and so on and so forth.......

At risk of being accused of showing off, that's how I came to have my nice stuff..........someone else ponied up in the showroom, and I got them down the line a bit..........TT x 2, 911 x 1, E class Avantgarde, and it's even better/worse when it comes to motorbikes..............

All good, I say...:D

Biro

galwaytt wrote:

You're in danger of becoming that which you decry by writing stuff like that, but you're also missing another very big point......

First, unless I'm completely misguided, the majority on here are not in a position to buy these things new, if ever, so..........
Second, if people like you decry didn't buy them new, we could never get them second/third/fourth hand. We need people like them to keep buying, to keep selling, and so on and so forth.......

At risk of being accused of showing off, that's how I came to have my nice stuff..........someone else ponied up in the showroom, and I got them down the line a bit..........TT x 2, 911 x 1, E class Avantgarde, and it's even better/worse when it comes to motorbikes..............

All good, I say...:D

Maybe you're right. But lets say you were buying a Ferrari that was owned by becham, you'd pay a premium cause he owned it first. How is that good for the used car market?
I do like however the way that Ferrari only offer their rare cars to the best customers.

Panda Moanium

I'd agree that while the majority of Porsche, Ferrari and Lambo drivers are probably genuine enthusiasts (are we supposed to use inverted commas when we use this phrase? ), these are also badges that the general public associate with power and success. So inevitably some are bought by people for what they represent rather than because they truly appreciate them for what they are.

But on the other hand most people have never even heard of a TVR so its unlikely to be on the shopping list of your average lottery winner.

Personally I've always lusted after TVRs, expecially the Griffith, Caterham Sevens and AC Cobras, while I have never had the slightest desire to own a Ferrari or a Porsche (I'd make an exception for a 250 GTO or a Lamborghini Muira though.... ).

But I agree with ds20prefecture's point that on this forum too many 'enthusiasts' (there go those inverted commas again!) rate cars purely on reliability / resale value / badge respectability. All important enough things but we would (do) have a very narrow selection of cars on our roads with this mentality.

I'm driving a Citroen C6 this week. I absolutely adore it. It is sublimely beautiful in a classic Citroen style, it wafts you along in complete luxury, and it is loaded with every gadget as standard without having to refer to the optional accessories list. I firmly believe that this car will be a future classic.

Yet...if somebody were to come on here and say they wanted to buy one over some Teutonic uber-wagon, according to the prevailing wisdom they'd be told they needed their head examined. And for sure its probably going to depreciate like nobody's business (not least due to that 'prevailing wisdom'). But wouldn't the world be a poorer place if cars like the C6 didn't exist. Personally if I saw somebody driving one I'd want to shake their hand.

Back to TVRs....about 10 years ago I spent two hours with a friend driving back and forth through a tunnel in North Wales in an early production Griffith 500. Roof down, third gear, V8 rumbling and vibrating through the tunnel at three and a half thousand revs. The gear knob came off at one point and I burned my leg on the transmission tunnel, but to this day, it remains the highlight of my motoring life. Go figure Mr. Avensis driver....

smcgiff

ds20prefecture wrote:

I always see the phrase "genuine" enthusiast associated with people who rave about the cars that the world and it's mother already own. This seems to imply that if you are lucky enough to own a Ferrari, a Porsche, a TVR or a Lamborghini (please note the spelling, DrDre) then you're not "genuine", you're only showing off how much money you have. In my experience, nothing could be further from the truth.

I've a plan to get either a Porsche Boxster or Cayman (Haven’t decided yet) in about 4 years time. This wont come without sacrifice, and no doubt considered cracked by someone who thinks owning a car is a convenient way of getting from A to B. I don’t drink or smoke and because of Porsche purchase plan I reckon I’ll next eat Mid March.

ds20prefecture

Panda Moanium wrote:

I'm driving a Citroen C6 this week. I absolutely adore it. It is sublimely beautiful in a classic Citroen style, it wafts you along in complete luxury, and it is loaded with every gadget as standard without having to refer to the optional accessories list. I firmly believe that this car will be a future classic.

Class - any pics? Petrol or Diesel? I'll swap you a drive in a DS for a drive in the C6?

bazz26

ds20prefecture wrote:

Seriously - You reckon that the average Porsche or TVR driver is actually less likley to be car enthusiast than your average Avensis driver? Most Porsche or TVR owners & drivers I have met tend to be highly enthusiastic about their particular cars and cars in general. They also tend to be just a leetle bit daft in the head, which might explain why they put so much of their hard earned into such a fast depreciating luxury. Sure I've also met the ones who simply must have a Porsche because that rotter Timothy in the Golf Club has been rubbing my nose in it with his Boxster.

I've also met Avensis drivers who believe their car improves their standing and image - witness annoying smug twat in the ad. I have never - NEVER met an Avensis driver who seems in the least interested in cars. I'm sure they exist, but isn't it odd that I've met 3 TVR owners and 5 Porsche owners who are all complete petrol heads? I assure you it is not because of some rarified social circle I hang out in - I drive a Skoda.

I always see the phrase "genuine" enthusiast associated with people who rave about the cars that the world and it's mother already own. This seems to imply that if you are lucky enough to own a Ferrari, a Porsche, a TVR or a Lamborghini (please note the spelling, DrDre) then you're not "genuine", you're only showing off how much money you have. In my experience, nothing could be further from the truth.

I never said your average Porsche or TVR owner, I said some do.

Also so by your calculations because an ordinary joe drives an Avensis, Mondeo etc that automatically qualifies them to have no interest in cars.

I don't drive a TVR or Porsche, I drive a "real world" average car that I can afford but I still have a great passion for most things motoring. Doesn't make me less passionate than a TVR owner.

TomMc

I saw a C6 in the metal the other day in a showroom and it was very much an anti-climax. When it was previewed in Autocar et al, I thought it would really get my juices flowing when it arrived on these shores, but alas no. Apart from the leather seats, the dash area & cabin looked very bland & conservative, with no sense of occasion about it. The black paint didn't do it for me either. A lighter colour would probably complement it's exterior design much better though. I'm sure it drives/rides really well, if the comfy french style is your thing, but at 60 - 80K, no chance. Even used in 2 or 3 years time at 40% of that price, I don't think it will enter the equation.

Having said that, I would still take my hat off to any one who bought one.

overdriver

The TVR is beautiful, no mistake. The Carina was practical, no mistake there either.

Who gets to define what an enthusiast IS anyway? My girlfriend thinks I'm a petrolhead because I like my cars and what i drive is a little different. I stop in the street to look at parked exotica, or old cars. So maybe I AM an enthusiast?

However, a lot of people seem to just regurgitate what they hear on Top Gear and think that makes them an afficionado.


Like what you drive. Like to drive it. That's my definition.

old boy

how could one confuse a tvr with a primera stick to the tread guys

il gatto

smcgiff wrote:

I've a plan to get either a Porsche Boxster or Cayman (Haven’t decided yet) in about 4 years time. This wont come without sacrifice, and no doubt considered cracked by someone who thinks owning a car is a convenient way of getting from A to B. I don’t drink or smoke and because of Porsche purchase plan I reckon I’ll next eat Mid March.

Buy the Cayman (or save for a 911:cool: ). The Cayman looks much more of a whole, but maybe that's my preferance for hardtops over ragtops.
And TVRs do fall apart, and were made in large parts of plastic. That was always the way. Never was there a review in Performance Car magazine, but something flew off at speed. I believe the build quality has improved since the Russian takeover though. I'd love a Griffith. Always lusted after them.
Someone mentioned Alfa 156 in disparaging terms earlier. I drive one, not because they were the rep car and young exec car de rigeur a few years back, but because I wanted an Alfa since I was five years old, I think the 156 is gorgeous, and they get decent power from average sized engines. And they are a cheap way to get a little piece of a great Italian marque and think about all the Giuliettas, Sprints, Cloverleafs and the Montreal that went before. They were good enough for Enzo Ferrari and the Jackal, so they're good enough for me.(Don't bother pointing out the whole Alfa/Fiat thing or the changed nature of the company. I don't care. I still love them.)

siralfalot

il gatto wrote:

Buy the Cayman (or save for a 911:cool: ). The Cayman looks much more of a whole, but maybe that's my preferance for hardtops over ragtops.
And TVRs do fall apart, and were made in large parts of plastic. That was always the way. Never was there a review in Performance Car magazine, but something flew off at speed. I believe the build quality has improved since the Russian takeover though. I'd love a Griffith. Always lusted after them.
Someone mentioned Alfa 156 in disparaging terms earlier. I drive one, not because they were the rep car and young exec car de rigeur a few years back, but because I wanted an Alfa since I was five years old, I think the 156 is gorgeous, and they get decent power from average sized engines. And they are a cheap way to get a little piece of a great Italian marque and think about all the Giuliettas, Sprints, Cloverleafs and the Montreal that went before. They were good enough for Enzo Ferrari and the Jackal, so they're good enough for me.(Don't bother pointing out the whole Alfa/Fiat thing or the changed nature of the company. I don't care. I still love them.)

t'was me who mentioned the 156 earlier, I was just making the point that its a bit bland in comparison to a TVR for example Sagaris, Tuscan or Cerbera.

I too drive a 156, and wholeheartedly agree with your view of them :cool:
I also have a Carina and an Avensis, reliable yes, but uber boring to drive!

il gatto

siralfalot wrote:

t'was me who mentioned the 156 earlier, I was just making the point that its a bit bland in comparison to a TVR for example Sagaris, Tuscan or Cerbera.

I too drive a 156, and wholeheartedly agree with your view of them :cool:
I also have a Carina and an Avensis, reliable yes, but uber boring to drive!

Clue's in the name I suppose. sorry:o

Alfasudcrazy

TVR's are great - I would love a Tamora.

I think the original poster is only having a laugh so don't take it too seriously. We could do with more threads like this.

I don't visit here too often these days - the thread about the guy who was worried about being summonsed for having a hub cap missing was the last straw for me. :rolleyes:

smcgiff

il gatto wrote:

Buy the Cayman (or save for a 911:cool: ). The Cayman looks much more of a whole, but maybe that's my preferance for hardtops over ragtops.

Yip - I think it looks far better, but every review says the Boxster is the same car for ~€7k less. Although, it's a good few years off and I'm already paranoid someone will take a knife to the softtop!

il gatto wrote:

And they are a cheap way to get a little piece of a great Italian marque and think about all the Giuliettas, Sprints, Cloverleafs and the Montreal that went before.

I think the Alfasud deserves an honourable mention here!