Tear this hand apart folks

Gholimoli

this hand was subject of much controversy last night.
Please as the title says tear this hand apart.

Game:
Satellite for the Irish open with 14 runners and only one ticket.
Nothing for second place.
14 players or 13 remain

Hand:
Player A is a very good aggressive player
Player B is also a good aggressive player.
Player C is very loose and his range is wide open (its Lesley McLean for those who know him).

Stacks
Player A: 9.5 K
Player B: 13.5K or 14K
Player C:5K

Player A and B are fairly familiar with each others game. Through the night they have mostly stayed away from each other and have not stood in each other’s way.
They have played a couple of smallish pots together but that is it.

Blinds 150/300 with 25 running Ante

Its folded to player A who is one off the cute off and makes it 1K with K8o .

Player B calls with Ah6h from the cutoff and player C calls from the button.
Blinds fold.

Flop(3550)
Kh 8h Ts

Player A checks.
Player B bets 2500.
Player C folds.

Player A then pushes and player B calls for another 6K.
Now do your worse.

Also can a few people please confirm that what are the odds of making a flush by the river if you have a flush draw on the flop ie 2:1 ,3:1 4:1 etc.

BobSloane

He's just slightly better than 2/1 I think - 36/9 on the flop going to the turn and 35/9 on a missed turn going to the river.

If I was player A I would bet the flop if I was being aggressive in general. When he doesn't player B is right to bet his draw. Player C probably should have pushed or folded pre-flop.
Player B has to call 6 to win 14.5ish..? He might think his Ace is an out too though unlikely. Has to call really. I'm calling anyway

edit: had to change that post drastically lol. misread figures badly. I've been up for 30 hours

Gholimoli

its another 6K to call for player B not 8.

Hitman Actual

The odds on making a flush by the river are the standard 2/1. But the odds of beating, say 2-pair, are ~ 5/2, and beating a set are ~3/1. (Good basic figures to know).

I don't like player B's call preflop with A6h and effective stacks of 9.5K, and Leslie in the hand as well. The flop call is a loser as well. Not by much, but bad none the less.

eoghan104

its fairly standard by both IMO with only 1 ticket up for grabs! which player was you and which was MPT? My guess is you were player b and hit the flush.

sikes

how good is this player? If he is the biggest thread to B getting first place, which is the only prize, then taking a slighty -EV is ok.
In this situation its not -EV. Even if he range is only sets and top 2 pair its a profitable call.

I dont like the call by B preflop, its prob a nice sport to raise and calling is just going to leak chips, but also invites shortie to push.

ianmc38

I'd prefer to reraise preflop but when it gets to the turn, I'm shipping it in all day with a flush draw. We're getting a good price to hit our flush against Player As range.

Hitman Actual

ianmc38 wrote:

We're getting a good price to hit our flush against Player As range.

What range are you giving Player A? I would have thought this was a very tight call.

ianmc38

lenny_leonard wrote:

What range are you giving Player A? I would have thought this was a very tight call.

One pair, two pair, sets, QhJh and a few other holdings. Just looking at the numbers we're about 40:60 dog with my range, but against a good aggressive opponent, I've probably assigned too tight a range weighted towards stronger holdings. If I add in more Kx and some air or worse flush draws then the price becomes much better. Either way I think it's a standard enough call, albeit occasionally slightly -EV, but with the chance to eliminate a dangerous player and the fact that it's a winner takes all sat, i think its fine.

bops

with one ticket - i think the hand played itself out.
you need to take more risks - as all the players have done in this hand.

i'm guessing by the descriptions that you were not directly involved in the hand?

Bandana boy

Looks pretty standard although I suspect Player B is really a Fish :-)

phantom_lord

both pf calls are pretty bad, rest is standard I guess.

BigCityBanker

bops wrote:

i'm guessing by the descriptions that you were not directly involved in the hand?

Bandanaboy wrote:

I suspect Player B is really a Fish :-)

MrPillowTalk

Gholimoli wrote:

this hand was subject of much controversy last night.
Please as the title says tear this hand apart.

Game:
Satellite for the Irish open with 14 runners and only one ticket.
Nothing for second place.
14 players or 13 remain

Hand:
Player A is a very good aggressive player
Player B is also a good aggressive player.
Player C is very loose and his range is wide open (its Lesley McLean for those who know him).

Stacks
Player A: 9.5 K
Player B: 13.5K or 14K
Player C:5K

Player A and B are fairly familiar with each others game. Through the night they have mostly stayed away from each other and have not stood in each other’s way.
They have played a couple of smallish pots together but that is it.

Blinds 150/300 with 25 running Ante

Its folded to player A who is one off the cute off and makes it 1K with K8o .

Player B calls with Ah6h from the cutoff and player C calls from the button.
Blinds fold.

Flop(3550)
Kh 8h Ts

Player A checks.
Player B bets 2500.
Player C folds.

Player A then pushes and player B calls for another 6K.
Now do your worse.

Also can a few people please confirm that what are the odds of making a flush by the river if you have a flush draw on the flop ie 2:1 ,3:1 4:1 etc.

Ehsan you have so many details wrong in this hand I dont know where to start.

Firstly 11 players left, ft formed as soon as I was knocked out.

Secondly stack sizes

I had 11800
you had c 16k

I had Kc8c and the flop was Kh 8s Th

I make it 1k
You call 1k with Ah6h (I think this is pretty poor)
Leslie comes allong.

Flop c. 3500

I check you bet 2k Leslie folds
I push and its 8800 back to you.
You call (which I think is pretty bad too)

And proceed to dog me.

ianmc38

MrPillowTalk wrote:

Ehsan you have so many details wrong in this hand I dont know where to start.

Firstly 11 players left, ft formed as soon as I was knocked out.

Secondly stack sizes

I had 11800
you had c 16k

I had Kc8c and the flop was Kh 8s Th

I make it 1k
You call 1k with Ah6h (I think this is pretty poor)
Leslie comes allong.

Flop c. 3500

I check you bet 2k Leslie folds
I push and its 8800 back to you.
You call (which I think is pretty bad too)

And proceed to dog me.

Regardless of the outcome of the hand there's a certain tact that should be kept at all times whether you're getting or inflicting the bad beat. I'm sure you're sick of losing to bad beats in various tournaments, but there's no need to blow up about the whole thing. It happens to all of us. It's part of poker. It's sick when it happens but that's just the way it goes. Give out to jesus for your lifetime of negative variance in live tournaments

LuckyLloyd

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Gholimoli

MrPillowTalk wrote:

Ehsan you have so many details wrong in this hand I dont know where to start.

Firstly 11 players left, ft formed as soon as I was knocked out.

Secondly stack sizes

I had 11800
you had c 16k

I had Kc8c and the flop was Kh 8s Th

I make it 1k
You call 1k with Ah6h (I think this is pretty poor)
Leslie comes allong.

Flop c. 3500

I check you bet 2k Leslie folds
I push and its 8800 back to you.
You call (which I think is pretty bad too)

And proceed to dog me.

Eoin,
The fact that they were 11 players left does not really make any difference in that hand at all and you are right now I remember the final table forming after you were gone.

You think my call with A6s there is poor and im not going to argue its not a great call but its not the worse call by any means.

You say I bet 2K on the flop and im absolutely positive that I bet 2.5K as I was betting half of what Lesley had left and I specifically remember I put in 3 chips for 2.5K.

Im pretty sure it was another 6K to me but even if im wrong it does make much of a difference in which case it was 8K.
In either case it would not make any difference as I was getting better than 2:1 on my call.

I think your check was horrible on such a draw heavy flop.
Had I checked behind you would have deffo gone broke on the turn when the 5h fell as im pretty sure you would still think you had the best hand.

The reason why I bet out was I didn’t think you had anything so the pot was winnable for me there and then and I didn’t want to let Lesley bet this as his would have been an all in for 5K in which case I would have to fold.
When I told you I ha the odds to call you then proceeded to tell me that I needed 3:1 to call and I only had slightly better than 2:1 and you refused to believe me.
I think my post flop play was correct and I think your check was very poor offering two players behind you free cards on that bored.
i think your reaction to the hand was worse than anything else in this hand to be honest.

MrPillowTalk

Gholimoli wrote:

Eoin,
The fact that they were 11 players left does not really make any difference in that hand at all and you are right now I remember the final table forming after you were gone.

You think my call with A6s there is poor and im not going to argue its not a great call but its not the worse call by any means.

You say I bet 2K on the flop and im absolutely positive that I bet 2.5K as I was betting half of what Lesley had left and I specifically remember I put in 3 chips for 2.5K.

Im pretty sure it was another 6K to me but even if im wrong it does make much of a difference in which case it was 8K.
In either case it would not make any difference as I was getting better than 2:1 on my call.

I think your check was horrible on such a draw heavy flop.
Had I checked behind you would have deffo gone broke on the turn when the 5h fell as im pretty sure you would still think you had the best hand.

The reason why I bet out was I didn’t think you had anything so the pot was winnable for me there and then and I didn’t want to let Lesley bet this as his would have been an all in for 5K in which case I would have to fold.
When I told you I ha the odds to call you then proceeded to tell me that I needed 3:1 to call and I only had slightly better than 2:1 and you refused to believe me.
I think my post flop play was correct and I think your check was very poor offering two players behind you free cards on that bored.
i think your reaction to the hand was worse than anything else in this hand to be honest.

It was 8800 for you to call.

I check the flop because Im nearly 100% you will bet it obviously I dont check two pair on draw heavy flops as a matter of course however your looking at the hand in isolation which is a big mistake. I dont go broke if the heart hits I am better than that.

The check is the perfect play when you know the guy behind will bet, and if your good wnough to not go broke on a heart turn. I think I played it perfectly and you got lucky, I think its pretty short sighted to criticise my check and it links back to what I said to you in another thread yesterday about you not adjusting to different players, if its just Leslie sitting behind then quite obviously I bet 100% of the time, but when I know that you think I dont like two callers behind me that I would bet any part of the flop my check looks like a give up which is certain to induce a bet from you.

Im not good at odds everyone knows that, still I played it perfect, and when its 9k to you to call I still dont think you should be stacking off with a flush draw, I dont think you will ever win a big one if you cant get away from a continuation bet with a flush draw on a flop. I was very surprised to see you call it.

MrPillowTalk

ianmc38 wrote:

Regardless of the outcome of the hand there's a certain tact that should be kept at all times whether you're getting or inflicting the bad beat. I'm sure you're sick of losing to bad beats in various tournaments, but there's no need to blow up about the whole thing. It happens to all of us. It's part of poker. It's sick when it happens but that's just the way it goes. Give out to jesus for your lifetime of negative variance in live tournaments

I dont blow up or berate players ever, I slagged ehsan about his play but it was all good natured and as well as this Ive had this talk with Callaghan, Rob T, Daithio, Ocallagh, KP and Masters and we all pretty much agree that if your freinds with someone you do them no favours by not saying it to them when you think they have played poorly. If a random punter tells me a hand thats badly played and says the usual things like "I had to call" or "how could he call" etc etc I just nod and agree, but if your freinds with someone you should really be telling tham what you actually think its far more beneficial in the long run.

I take bad beats quite well.

Gholimoli

MrPillowTalk wrote:

It was 8800 for you to call.

I check the flop because Im nearly 100% you will bet it obviously I dont check two pair on draw heavy flops as a matter of course however your looking at the hand in isolation which is a big mistake. I dont go broke if the heart hits I am better than that.

The check is the perfect play when you know the guy behind will bet, and if your good wnough to not go broke on a heart turn. I think I played it perfectly and you got lucky, I think its pretty short sighted to criticise my check and it links back to what I said to you in another thread yesterday about you not adjusting to different players, if its just Leslie sitting behind then quite obviously I bet 100% of the time, but when I know that you think I dont like two callers behind me that I would bet any part of the flop my check looks like a give up which is certain to induce a bet from you.

Im not good at odds everyone knows that, still I played it perfect, and when its 9k to you to call I still dont think you should be stacking off with a flush draw, I dont think you will ever win a big one if you cant get away from a continuation bet with a flush draw on a flop. I was very surprised to see you call it.

You are mistaking about the size of your stack Eoin.
I think your highest point of the night according to your self was 12K.(you were just saying that you keep going up and down between 8K and 11K) .
On a hand that was played shortly before this you made a call of 2K on the river which I had two pair with my QT if you remember so your stack was around the 9K area and im certain of this.

This makes the bet back to me 6K.
You are talking about not going broke if the heart hit,I think your stack would not allow you not go broke if a heart hit on the turn and you know im right that against me you chances are you would go broke.

The check raise is also bad because its so strong that it would make me fold a lot of the hands that I would other wise pay more for.
For example if I had a K there then I would bet 1.5 or 2K on that flop and then would fold to your check raise but if you bet the flop I would call with a K or even raise with it which would make more money for you.
The then went on about how these days people think flush draws are the nuts and how they cant getaway with it but we both know im better than that having said that I would play the hand post flop the same way again and again and situation being the same I would make that call any day if im playing well.

MrPillowTalk

Gholimoli wrote:

You are mistaking about the size of your stack Eoin.
I think your highest point of the night according to your self was 12K.(you were just saying that you keep going up and down between 8K and 11K) .
On a hand that was played shortly before this you made a call of 2K on the river which I had two pair with my QT if you remember so your stack was around the 9K area and im certain of this.

This makes the bet back to me 6K.
You are talking about not going broke if the heart hit,I think your stack would not allow you not go broke if a heart hit on the turn and you know im right that against me you chances are you would go broke.

The check raise is also bad because its so strong that it would make me fold a lot of the hands that I would other wise pay more for.
For example if I had a K there then I would bet 1.5 or 2K on that flop and then would fold to your check raise but if you bet the flop I would call with a K or even raise with it which would make more money for you.
The then went on about how these days people think flush draws are the nuts and how they cant getaway with it but we both know im better than that having said that I would play the hand post flop the same way again and again and situation being the same I would make that call any day if im playing well.

Your wrong I won a pot straight before this one, and when you bet I put my stack in the dealer counted out your bet, counted the leftover and said 8800 back to you.

kebabfest

Late in a tourney with 1 prize it is all fairly standard play. There is no room to make big laydowns and once the flop hits all the chips are going in. If either of you fold at that stage you need your heads read.
Play on both your parts PREFLOP was poor.
A pitiful raise with K8 should have been bitch slapped out of the park it A6 wants to play.
If player C had any cohonas he would have shoved it all in PRE on the blind.

LuckyLloyd

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phantom_lord

pt was fine pf, gholi's play was bad imo, and folding a flush draw to an all-in without the required odds isn't a big laydown.

player c should have shoved or folded, not blind.

kpnuts

If the stacks and action are as Gholi remembers, then it's a no-brainer INSTA call for Gholi getting over 2/1. If the stacks and action are as MrPT remembers, then Gholi has to fold as he is getting only 6/4 for a 2/1 shot and his stack is still eminently playable after the fold. Either way, I hate Gholi's cold call pre-flop.

Don't know what the kebab guy was going on about as regards criticising MrPT's play preflop. MrPT played the hand fine. I can only think kebab man had one too many dodgy doners last night.

Ste05

I think MPT played the hand perfectly for a Satellite, he's maximising his potential returns (with the C/R of Gholi's inevitable flop bet) while at the same time maximising his Fold Equity, basically the perfect strategy for late satellite play.

In isolation the PF call from Gholi looks pretty bad, calling off ~10% of your effective stack is not good with a terrible hand like A6 even with position. All you can really be happy seeing is the flop that came out. Anything else and you're basically burning chips, are you felting on an A high flop or if you hit a 6, what if MPT leads on an A high flop.

As for the flop on, I think it really played itself, (assuming 6k to call). If 8k to call it's dodgy....

Marq

Gholi what posessed you to call with this hand preflop? Surely if you sensed weakness rerasing all in was your best move?

kebabfest

LuckyLloyd wrote:

This hand is not one that plays itself, because the effective stack size in the hand is quite playable. If the raise back to Ehsan was 8800 then it is a bad call. If it was 6000, it becomes marginally +EV.

Raising to 1,000 at the 150 / 300 level is not pitiful. It is a standard raise. If you are advocating making bigger raises when you have weaker holdings and are stealing, as compared to your betting sizes when you have a hand - you "need your head read".

Shoving a 16 BB stack in on the blind would be sheer awful. Ballsy yes - but pretty bad.

Your post is pitiful tbh.

When you put it like that I agree that my comments pre-flop are cr@p. However you can EV\ ROI DUI all the fcuk you want , but no matter who you are what you are or what you are the doing the hand plays itself on the FLOP. Now get yourself down to McDonalds and supersize that

Hitman Actual

I don't believe that this hand plays itself on the flop. The call is marginal AT BEST, and that's using Gholi's stacks sizes. Using MPT's stack sizes, it's bad.

siucra1

hope u went on to win it

kpnuts

lenny_leonard wrote:

I don't believe that this hand plays itself on the flop. The call is marginal AT BEST, and that's using Gholi's stacks sizes. Using MPT's stack sizes, it's bad.

Clear call using Gholi's stack sizes and Gholi's 2.5k lead on flop (remember they differed on that too, Eoin thinks Gholi led for only 2k)... with Gholi's numbers he's getting 7/3 odds and to be fair, there's even a small chance Gholi is ahead if Eoin is CRing with QJ or air, which is not entirely impossible given that Eoin would probably expect Gholi to lead here with anything he called a raise with.

MrPillowTalk

kpnuts wrote:

Clear call using Gholi's stack sizes and Gholi's 2.5k lead on flop (remember they differed on that too, Eoin thinks Gholi led for only 2k)... with Gholi's numbers he's getting 7/3 odds and to be fair, there's even a small chance Gholi is ahead if Eoin is CRing with QJ or air, which is not entirely impossible given that Eoin would probably expect Gholi to lead here with anything he called a raise with.

Im not actually positive on the 2k or 2500 bet on the flop, Im near certain it was 2k however when I shoved the dealer counted my stack and announced 8800 back to gholi, and I know I shoved for over 10k as I counted my stack size on the flop before checking.

Its irrelevant anyway Im happy with my play of the hand, Gholi isnt happy that I told him I thought it was poor play I just wont comment on his play from now on.

bohsman

siucra1 wrote:

hope u went on to win it

According to the tournament director an absolute fish went on to win it. Fortunately for the winner an even bigger fish came second.

bops

i know i put myself in front of the firing squad (sigh)...

i think both of you played it lovely (considering only one ticket)

but, if i was in mr pt's shoes - i would often call the flop bet and push on a blank turn - you knew (i guess) he was probably drawing with hh or maybe JQ.

I just dont like getting em all in here and prefer to give up an affordable pot/take it down on the turn.

Maybe i'm just a sissy? is this a really bad play?

MrPillowTalk

bops wrote:

i know i put myself in front of the firing squad (sigh)...

i think both of you played it lovely (considering only one ticket)

but, if i was in mr pt's shoes - i would often call the flop bet and push on a blank turn - you knew (i guess) he was probably drawing with hh or maybe JQ.

I just dont like getting em all in here and prefer to give up an affordable pot/take it down on the turn.

Maybe i'm just a sissy? is this a really bad play?

I will sometimes call the bet and wait for a non heart turn but only if we are deep like close to 100+ bb stacks and I dont want to make it profitable for the flush draw to call me cr cos he knows we both have money back, its rare Id make that play though generally you should be looking to make draws pay.

Gholimoli

my bet on the flop was 2.5K ,
when Eoin shoved it was another 6K back to me .
the dealer did count and he said 8800 total and not 8800 more.
the reason i know this is becuase i was getting 2:1 on the call and i would only be getting them odds based on my stack size and my bet amount .

im sure Eoin agrees that i was getting 2:1 odds as he told me i made a bad play call because i was getting 2:1 on a 3:1 shot.
i then proceeded to say no flush draw is 2:1 to hit by the river and we had an argument and he offered me a bet that it was 3:1 and not 2:1.
im sure Eoin will concur that this happend.
and if he does then i could only be getting 2:1 and better with my stack size.

also Eoin seems to think that i didnt like him saying i made a bad play .
this is not the case at all and he has actually critised my play before and i appreciated it.
however i didnt like him going on about it for about an hour and half taking the piss in a very insulting way for a hand that we just disagreed on.

MrPillowTalk

Gholimoli wrote:

when Eoin shoved it was another 6K back to me .
the dealer did count and he said 8800 total and not 8800 more.

This is wrong.

You need to get a sense of humour.

I am no good on the odds everyone knows that I did think it was 3:1 to hit.

I think that judging by the fact that you got several details of the pot wrong goes to show how unreliable your opinion is.

Finally this is the last Im saying on the subject except for I think you have acted like a real twat tbh.

MrPillowTalk

Gholimoli wrote:

im sure Eoin agrees that i was getting 2:1 odds as he told me i made a bad play call because i was getting 2:1 on a 3:1 shot.
i then proceeded to say no flush draw is 2:1 to hit by the river and we had an argument and he offered me a bet that it was 3:1 and not 2:1.
im sure Eoin will concur that this happend.
and if he does then i could only be getting 2:1 and better with my stack size.

Also when we were talking about this I never said wheither you were getting 2:1 or not, I never even bothered to work it out afterwards as it didnt matter because I was out.

Gholimoli

MrPillowTalk wrote:

Gholimoli wrote:

when Eoin shoved it was another 6K back to me .
the dealer did count and he said 8800 total and not 8800 more.

This is wrong.

You need to get a sense of humour.

I am no good on the odds everyone knows that I did think it was 3:1 to hit.

I think that judging by the fact that you got several details of the pot wrong goes to show how unreliable your opinion is.

Finally this is the last Im saying on the subject except for I think you have acted like a real twat tbh.

its not wrong Eoin and i didnt get any details wrong.

you agreed last night that i was getting 2:1 but you thought i need 3:1 to make the call correct.
the fact that you are good or bad on odds is not relevent what is relevent is the fact that you agreed last night that i was getting 2:1 and that is only possible with stack size as i gave them.

the only detail i got wrong was the amount of players left in the game which has no impact on the play of the hand.
you say i acted like a twat ,i have no idea why?
i apologised for the suck out right after as always do .

i posted the hand this morning just to get more openions and i think you one know now that was call was not bad at all.

to be honest i think if any one acted like a twat and an idiot it was you and i have to say it did take me by a bit of surprise.

Gholimoli

MrPillowTalk wrote:

Gholimoli wrote:

im sure Eoin agrees that i was getting 2:1 odds as he told me i made a bad play call because i was getting 2:1 on a 3:1 shot.
i then proceeded to say no flush draw is 2:1 to hit by the river and we had an argument and he offered me a bet that it was 3:1 and not 2:1.
im sure Eoin will concur that this happend.
and if he does then i could only be getting 2:1 and better with my stack size.
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Also when we were talking about this I never said wheither you were getting 2:1 or not, I never even bothered to work it out afterwards as it didnt matter because I was out.

is that why you were willing to bet me 10,000 Euro that flush draw is 3:1 and not 2:1.
was it becuase it didnt matter?
your exact words "Wow Welldone you were getting 2:1 on a 3:1 shot,what a great call Ehsan"

MrPillowTalk

Gholimoli wrote:

MrPillowTalk wrote:

Gholimoli wrote:

when Eoin shoved it was another 6K back to me .
the dealer did count and he said 8800 total and not 8800 more.


its not wrong Eoin and i didnt get any details wrong.

you agreed last night that i was getting 2:1 but you thought i need 3:1 to make the call correct.
the fact that you are good or bad on odds is not relevent what is relevent is the fact that you agreed last night that i was getting 2:1 and that is only possible with stack size as i gave them.

the only detail i got wrong was the amount of players left in the game which has no impact on the play of the hand.
you say i acted like a twat ,i have no idea why?
i apologised for the suck out right after as always do .

i posted the hand this morning just to get more openions and i think you one know now that was call was not bad at all.

to be honest i think if any one acted like a twat and an idiot it was you and i have to say it did take me by a bit of surprise.

Ok this is like talking to a wall.

You got the number of players wrong.

You got the suits of the flop wrong.

You got my hand wrong.

You got the ammount that was bet into you wrong.

You seem to only see what you want to see as in this thread there are a number of good players saying your call was poor both pre flop and on the flop. You acted like a twat choosing to snipe at me in a pm and on here instead of sacking up and saying it to me last night if you had a problem with me, you sir are a twat, when I have a problem with someone they know about it because I say it.

Also you appear to have no sense of humour whatsoever if you are unable to deal with someone taking the piss out of you in a very freindly way (as I am sure everyone who was there would confirm).

BigCityBanker

Grudge match?

MrPillowTalk

Gholimoli wrote:

MrPillowTalk wrote:

is that why you were willing to bet me 10,000 Euro that flush draw is 3:1 and not 2:1.
was it becuase it didnt matter?
your exact words "Wow Welldone you were getting 2:1 on a 3:1 shot,what a great call Ehsan"

You are actually fcuking delusional yes I did say I thought it was 3:1 not 2:1 after you said it was 2:1 and yes I did offer to bet 10k on it ( I really think you need to try and purchase a sarcasm detector).

As for my exact words? I NEVER said that, you are actually delusional.

ocallagh

lads b4 this turns into some stupid grudge match how about you both agree that there is no way either of you will see eye to eye on this and leave it?? also, pint next thursday in Gibneys next Thursday b4 the next satellite?

Gholimoli

MrPillowTalk wrote:

Gholimoli wrote:

MrPillowTalk wrote:

Ok this is like talking to a wall.

You got the number of players wrong.

You got the suits of the flop wrong.

You got my hand wrong.

You got the ammount that was bet into you wrong.

You seem to only see what you want to see as in this thread there are a number of good players saying your call was poor both pre flop and on the flop. You acted like a twat choosing to snipe at me in a pm and on here instead of sacking up and saying it to me lasc night if you had a problem with me, you sir are a twat, when I have a problem with someone they know about it because I say it.

Also you appear to have no sense of humour whatsoever if you are unable to deal with someone taking the piss out of you in a very freindly way (as I am sure everyone who was there would confirm).

your the idiot who made this public.
yes i did have a problem with the childish and stupid way you acted last night and i did let you know about it.
i couldnt talk to you last night for a few reasons.

1.you never shut up all the time you were there talking about this hand.
2.you were clearly upset about the beat.
3.i had a game to play.

i PM'd you telling you that i didnt like the way you acted cuz i didnt really want to make this public but seen as you dont seem to have the common sense to reliase that private things are private then fock it.

then you PM me back saying that you were insulted for me telling you that i was insulted with the way you acted and that i can shove it up *****.

WOW thats REAL FOCKEN MATURE EOIN.

about the details of the hand stop being a dick and look at what matters:

how many players were left?what focken difference does it make

the flop:i said it was Kh Th 8s and you said no it was Kh Ts 8s ,big focken wow that really impacts the hand doesnt it?????

your hand was K8s and not K8o ,again it really makes a difference to our argument.
and im not even sure that you are right about the above details but they are so irrelevent that i dont care.

the stack sizes was as i said and my bet was 2.5K.

mewso

Just say the word. I'm just going to sit back and watch the view count of this thread ecalate. How about a poll?

MrPillowTalk

Gholimoli wrote:

MrPillowTalk wrote:

Gholimoli wrote:

your the idiot who made this public.
yes i did have a problem with the childish and stupid way you acted last night and i did let you know about it.
i couldnt talk to you last night for a few reasons.

1.you never shut up all the time you were there talking about this hand.
2.you were clearly upset about the beat.
3.i had a game to play.

i PM'd you telling you that i didnt like the way you acted cuz i didnt really want to make this public but seen as you dont seem to have the common sense to reliase that private things are private then fock it.

then you PM me back saying that you were insulted for me telling you that i was insulted with the way you acted and that i can shove it up *****.

WOW thats REAL FOCKEN MATURE EOIN.

about the details of the hand stop being a dick and look at what matters:

how many players were left?what focken difference does it make

the flop:i said it was Kh Th 8s and you said no it was Kh Ts 8s ,big focken wow that really impacts the hand doesnt it?????

your hand was K8s and not K8o ,again it really makes a difference to our argument.
and im not even sure that you are right about the above details but they are so irrelevent that i dont care.

the stack sizes was as i said and my bet was 2.5K.

You really are a twat.

I wasnt "upset" about the beat.

I ribbed you about the hand whilst I chatted to Ste and the clamper about vegas and stuff then came over to you and said goodbye when I was leaving, you really have the strangest view on things.

As for the details your still not even getting them right when I corrected you on this very thread I think that shows precisely how observant you are.

And I replied to you PM telling you to stick it where you like because your b1tchy toned and arrogant pm p1ssed me right off. Your a twat.

siucra1

bohsman wrote:

According to the tournament director an absolute fish went on to win it. Fortunately for the winner an even bigger fish came second.

he was a,,,,, nice fish ........hes going to kick yr ass........till next time.fcukin muppet.

Gholimoli

MrPillowTalk wrote:

Gholimoli wrote:

MrPillowTalk wrote:

You really are a twat.

I wasnt "upset" about the beat.

I ribbed you about the hand whilst I chatted to Ste and the clamper about vegas and stuff then came over to you and said goodbye when I was leaving, you really have the strangest view on things.

As for the details your still not even getting them right when I corrected you on this very thread I think that shows precisely how observant you are.

And I replied to you PM telling you to stick it where you like because your b1tchy toned and arrogant pm p1ssed me right off. Your a twat.

you an immature idiot.
im done with this.

fixer

here in LA, this would be a real fight. In Ireland, you lads will be making jokes about this for years over pints, or never speak to each other again and make these sniping comments for years over pints (with your backs to each other on the barstools).

Lafortezza

I'll wait for muso to come back on this thread to dish out the bans.

Apart from that keep it civil or it's longer bans from here on.