DTT Channels in March - Speculation

BowWow

With us getting nearer March and the second (public) part of the DTT Trial looming I thought I’d start a speculation thread on what TV channels we might get then.
To start the ball rolling I believe we will get the current 4 Irish channels, City Channel, Channel 6, TWC, Euronews, France 24, Skynews, UKTV(on Freeview and its name is there already). Why we’d get Extreme Sports, I don’t know.
I don’t believe we’ll get any BBC’s or ITV’s, although possibly we might get UTV.
Given the recent Sky announcement on providing a pay DTT service in the UK using Mpeg 4 I also wouldn’t be surprised to see Sky providing the actual STB’s and trailing their system here.
Ok that’s my tuppence worth – anyone else have an opinion?:)

Mossy Monk

BowWow wrote:

possibly we might get UTV

TV3 go to court?

lol

MJM001

Bubble Hits.

A Kids Channel. Pop or Tiny Pop if not CBBC, CeeBeeBies or CITV.

Also an addition in the Radio section would/should be newstalk 106.

watty

No. Sky can't supply DTT boxes here. That is not part of trial. The people that won contracts to supply content ages ago. That list shows what is happing till the trial ends.

watty

Technically the boxes are picked and 1000 people getting them. As far as trial organisers concerned no-one else is watching.

fta keith

Extreme sports was a channel I never watched when it was FTA on digital satellite, I am very happy during this pilot project and eventual Irish DTT roll out if only the 4 Irish terrestrial tv channels are the only tv channels are fta with maybe channel 6 fta as a bonus as I have all the UK terrestrial tv channels fta channels are fta on digital satellite

SPDUB

fta keith wrote:

Extreme sports was a channel I never watched when it was FTA on digital satellite, I am very happy during this pilot project and eventual Irish DTT roll out if only the 4 Irish terrestrial tv channels are the only tv channels are fta with maybe channel 6 fta as a bonus as I have all the UK terrestrial tv channels fta channels are fta on digital satellite

So anybody who can't put up a satellite dish should be shafted

What a selfish post

watty

So anyone out side of Clermont carn or Three rock should just put up a dish...

It's only a mickey mouse trial, not a service and fta_keith is only saying he is pleased to get something.


Be nice lads.

BowWow

MJM001 wrote:

Bubble Hits.

Yes, would agree - its produced here.

MJM001 wrote:

A Kids Channel. Pop or Tiny Pop if not CBBC, CeeBeeBies or CITV.

Yes, possible a kids channel, but not CBBC, Ceebebes. or CITV - theyre BBC and ITV generated.

BowWow

watty wrote:

No. Sky can't supply DTT boxes here. That is not part of trial. The people that won contracts to supply content ages ago. That list shows what is happing till the trial ends.

Cant see why Sky couldnt supply boxes to the supply content contractors. Sky would not be in charge of, or doing the tests, but would supply the boxes in exchange for the technical results.

BowWow

watty wrote:

Technically the boxes are picked.

What sort/make of box is already selected?

L1011

BowWow wrote:

Cant see why Sky couldnt supply boxes to the supply content contractors. Sky would not be in charge of, or doing the tests, but would supply the boxes in exchange for the technical results.

Because the state is providing the boxes not the content providers.

watty

It would be totally the "END" if Sky was allowed to decide/supply DTT boxes. I'd march on Dempsy's Den in Dail to complain.

I don't know. Except I suspect has a CI for Neotion MPE4 combo MPE4 transcoder/CAM and card reader. I also suspect the have abandoned the great DVB-RCT scheme as the maker is now concentrating on WiMax, so no interactive via aerial.

BowWow

Are'nt Sky Ireland one of the content managers? A nice(i.e.cheap) solution all round - Sky provide Mpeg 4 boxes with a CI - this will test their own plan to provide this on DTT in the UK, and it has a zero cost to Dept of Comm.

Mossy Monk

i hope to god they arent a content manager. i know they are part of Freeview but please not in this country

BowWow

Check this out.

http://www.dcmnr.gov.ie/Press+Releases/Digital+Terrestrial+Television+%28DTT%29+Trial.htm

BowWow

fta keith wrote:

I am very happy during this pilot project and eventual Irish DTT roll out if only the 4 Irish terrestrial tv channels are the only tv channels are fta with maybe channel 6 fta as a bonus as I have all the UK terrestrial tv channels fta channels are fta on digital satellite

Quoted by ftakeith earlier in this thread.

"Irish DTT Pilot Project is a joke
It appears the above is a joke so far apart from the 4 Irish Terrestrial tv channels which are FTA and fine the other channels could be all subscription based like so far UKTV History, Extreme Sports which isn't a tv channel list to look forward to"
Quoted by ftakeith on another forum

Confusing...................

fta keith

Well spotted I do have 2 different views on this topic just to keep my options open

Mossy Monk

you have two conflicting views on one topic to keep your options open? whats your view on the death penalty? for and against

watty

The "content managers" do not get to supply boxes or any infrastructure. The clue is in the name. They simply provide program stream for the channels to transmit.

fta keith

Channel 6 is part of mux 2, which means it might be FTA on this pilot project and eventual roll out of DTT here,

Channel 6 along with the 4 basic Irish tv channels on Irish DTT be very good alongside fta digital satellite which has all the bbc, itv digital tv channels

I would never subscribe to channel 6 on any digital tv platform

John Dough

fta keith wrote:

Channel 6 is part of mux 2, which means it might be FTA on this pilot project and eventual roll out of DTT here,

Channel 6 along with the 4 basic Irish tv channels on Irish DTT be very good alongside fta digital satellite which has all the bbc, itv digital tv channels

I would never subscribe to channel 6 on any digital tv platform

Well as you can see at the moment it is scrambled in conax so what makes you think it is going to be fta??? same goes for ALL of mux 2/3 what is the big idea in scrambling a test!!!! seems a bit daft to me.

SRB

Possibly rights issues, this is a closed test with specific receivers supplied to those taking part. If some channels are only being shown to this specific group of people there's no point in clearing them for transmission to everyone.

watty

There is no need for ANY of it to be FTA. This is for a closed group of pre-selected viewers.

Fingleberries

watty wrote:

There is no need for ANY of it to be FTA. This is for a closed group of pre-selected viewers.

True - but how did they select these viewers? What was the criteria?
(Sorry, taking the thread in a different tangent ... I'll keep quiet again )

watty

Ask Noel Dempsy. It's his plan & department. Not RTE.

BowWow

Are you saying that at this very moment 1,000 boxes are out there, with people, currently being used as part of the trial?
I understood that the "public" part of the trial wouldnt start till march. I dont believe anyone currently has an official trial supplied STB.

SPDUB

watty wrote:

There is no need for ANY of it to be FTA. This is for a closed group of pre-selected viewers.

Well they are right buggers for making any of it FTA then and they can't say they didn't know other people would be looking in as they issued press releases etc about it

Mossy Monk

SPDUB wrote:

Well they are right buggers for making any of it FTA then and they can't say they didn't know other people would be looking in as they issued press releases etc about it

and they also said it was a TRIAL

watty

Just like RTE assumes no-one has non-Sky FTA satellite receivers or non-Sky pay-TV satellite receivers, I'm sure there is an assumption that hardly anyone will have suitable receiving gear.

Right at the beginning we advised on these forums that it was a Trial and only to spend small money if any, as there was no ensured long term reception or indeed any reception from day to day in normal broadcast sense.

Slicklink

I see the chances of SKy providing content has been shot down, yet they are one of the succesful groups for content in that press release above ? Presumably Communicorp are providing radio as they own 98fm and likewise with Ivan Nolan.

It specifically says that its a trial cloased to 1000 people max. Thats the idea of the encryption I'd imagine. Noticed theres no text working on the terrestrials.... I wonder is this part of the test like HD ?

SPDUB

Possibly rights issues, this is a closed test with specific receivers supplied to those taking part. If some channels are only being shown to this specific group of people there's no point in clearing them for transmission to everyone.

That doesn't make sense though for Channel 6 and for any of the radio service as surely they are already cleared for transmission here

BowWow

See Post 414 in thread "DTT Trials: - Reception Reports"

Mossy Monk

SPDUB wrote:

That doesn't make sense though for Channel 6 and for any of the radio service as surely they are already cleared for transmission here

whats to make sense of?

SPDUB

Mossy Monk wrote:

whats to make sense of?

Cryptic comments

Mossy Monk

you dont seem to understand that this is a trial. some channels may be encrypted. others may not be encrypted. it's not that hard really

SPDUB

Mossy Monk wrote:

you dont seem to understand that this is a trial. some channels may be encrypted. others may not be encrypted. it's not that hard really

Oh I do understand it's a trial.

At least the logic of a trial makes more sense than some posts

It's not that hard really to make sense is it ? if even the Govt can do it

Mountjoy Mugger

Extra channels, all scrambled have appeared on Three Rock. Sky News, Sky Sports 1, BBC News 24, cBeebies, CBBC, BBC3, BBC4. All these are presumablly the preserve of the testers.

fta keith

Well I hope there are miracles starting tonight with this 2nd part of this pilot scheme as Heroes starts tonight on Channel 6 or will have to wait for BBC2 to show it later if channel 6 is not fta by tonight

or by the greatest miracle sky sports 1 is fta under this 2nd part I could watch Liverpool v Man Utd live at 12.30pm this saturday afternoon

I think this pilot project is very interesting as the 4 Irish Terrestrial tv channels will be FTA for the eventual roll out of DTT in Ireland as confirmed by someone from TG4 below to me

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From: Alan Esslemont <SNIP>
Sent: 12 February 2007 10:22
To: Keith
Subject: RE:


Hi Keith,

Thanks for the feedback on the DTT project – pity I can’t see it here! Yes, being free-to-air on DTT is a core part of our distribution strategy.

Best wishes, Alan



I think the 4 Irish Terrestrial tv channels with Channel 6, bbc3, bbc4, sky news, cbbc, cbeebies is a good start of moving cable customers i.e. NTL to a once off expense which most likely help the aging population as they get mostly the TV licence fee free but mostly pay for NTL and mostly watch the 4 basic Irish tv channels

Please let Channel 6 and sky sport1 be fta by around 9.30pm tonight

Fingleberries

Not such a good idea to put the guys full e-mail address for all and sundry to see, eh?

... You wouldn't put your own there, would you?

Conor S

Bad news folks.........
Rang RTE and it seems that only Mux 1 will be free to air. This is the '' RTE/TG4/Tv3'' multiplex. Worse still is that the receivers and cards required to receive the other 2 Muxes have already been distributed by the department.
Bottom Line........Thats yer lot for the next 2 years.
Thread closed I guess?

byte

We hope that maybe one of the 1000 "testers" will also be a member here!

We live in hope anyway.

BowWow

byte wrote:

We hope that maybe one of the 1000 "testers" will also be a member here!

We live in hope anyway.

Hard to believe there may be a 1000 people out there with boxes, and not one of us either has one, or knows someone who has one.

A well kept secret in Ireland!:eek:

watty

Well if any of us admitted knowing, them MIB would erase us.

How do you know no-one here has one or knows someone? There may be confidentiality clauses.


Folks on these boards could be doing TV & radio & Internet stuff that would boggle ye! But how would anyone know?

SPDUB

watty wrote:

There may be confidentiality clauses.

Or they may just be friends and hangers on of the minister and party;)

UlsterMan

Just wondering what are the chances of BBC1,2 UTV and CH4 being carried on one of the muxes?

Cyclonius

Conor S wrote:

Bad news folks.........
Rang RTE and it seems that only Mux 1 will be free to air. This is the '' RTE/TG4/Tv3'' multiplex. Worse still is that the receivers and cards required to receive the other 2 Muxes have already been distributed by the department.
Bottom Line........Thats yer lot for the next 2 years.
Thread closed I guess?

Could it be a situation where you pay a one off fee for a card to enable certain encrypted ftv channels, like the BBC's etc?

DMC

Practically, Cyclonius, if this went on sale to the general public, its one possibility thats how it would pan out.

But thats not happening as this is a trial. The 1000 are getting their box. We don't know what box they are getting, nor what software is running on it, or if a viewing card is needed.

"Are you there, Sidney?"

BowWow

watty wrote:

How do you know no-one here has one or knows someone? There may be confidentiality clauses.

There's an election shortly, every day there are "announcements" about things of the most minor nature. If one of the ministers in The Dept of Comm. could make a public announcement that he had launched(I know its a trial!) DTT he would. I believe that the boxes may be ordered/ready, but I don't think they are issued yet. However I do know a "party hack" and will speak to him tomorrow and report back.

watty wrote:

Folks on these boards could be doing TV & radio & Internet stuff that would boggle ye!

Sounds disgusting! and probably illegal too..........:p

watty

The boxes are devlivered / on the way. Allgedly no confidentiality but some people may have other inhibitions.

BeerNut

Confirmation on the DCMNR DTT FAQ:

What content is available on the DTT Pilot?
Content on Phase Two of the Pilot includes the Irish free-to-air channels as well as UK mainstream, local and niche channels.

The current channel line-up is as follows:

Television

RTÉ 1
RTÉ 2
TV 3
TG 4
Channel 6
cBBC
cBeebies
BBC3
BBC4
BBC News 24
Sky News
Sky Sports 1
Extreme Sports
UK TV History
Sky News (MPEG-4 Test Stream)

Radio

RTE Radio One
RTE 2FM
RTE Lyric FM
RTE Radio Na Gaeltachta
Today FM
RTE Radio One (AM)

Communicorp and Digital Radio Ireland will also supply radio channels at a later date.