GAA revert to type and re-ban sacair

SectionF

And there we were thinking the GAA had seen the light...

breakingnews.ie: The GAA today agreed to allow soccer and rugby matches to be played at Croke Park in 2008, but rejected the possibility of hosting 'non-Gaelic' (my quotemarks) games beyond that point.

It was agreed at a Central Council meeting in Croke Park that should the Lansdowne Road redevelopment project become unviable, the 2005 Congress decision on the use of Croke Park is no longer applicable post-2008.

... Disappointment was expressed by delegates that "no reciprocal gesture was being made to the GAA" and that Gaelic games were being excluded from the stadium being built in Tallaght, which is being financed by the Government in land provided by the local authority.

Dr. Nick

Excellent decision for all involved.

ANXIOUS

haha yes thank god for this, wish it never happened in the first place though

thebaz

ANXIOUS wrote:

haha yes thank god for this, wish it never happened in the first place though

Why ?

Guy:Incognito

SectionF wrote:

It was agreed at a Central Council meeting in Croke Park that should the Lansdowne Road redevelopment project become unviable

Ignoring the GAA for a bit (the way I like it ) That statement is a bit worrying. Is it purely the GAA saying "if" or is there some substance to it that could prevent Lansdowne going ahead full stop? I know there are planning issues ( logic would have said dont close Lansdowne till you are 100% clear and ready to start work but hey, who am I to use logic on the FAI and IRFU).

I really cant see the logic in closing a stadium and making all these arrangments before your ready and allowed to construct the new stadium.

thebaz wrote:

Why ?

Because football and english speaking heathens are evil dontcha know.

ANXIOUS

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055053083

i think its all covered here

ANXIOUS

Stekelly wrote:

Ignoring the GAA for a bit (the way I like it ) .

Except when you need something like the 4th biggest stadium in europe . Cant wait till the fai are the laughing stock of the world having to play games outside ireland

Stekelly wrote:

I really cant see the logic in closing a stadium and making all these arrangments before your ready and allowed to construct the new stadium.

Just the way the fai like it

thebaz

ANXIOUS wrote:

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055053083

i think its all covered here

I thought Ireland had moved on -- and judging by the tv audience watching the "first foreign " game at Croker , it has -- surely the sport loving population of Ireland have a right to utilise a stadium that the people of Ireland payed for -- instead of rehashing bigotry that is no longer required !

ANXIOUS

thebaz wrote:

I thought Ireland had moved on -- and judging by the tv audience watching the "first foreign " game at Croker , it has -- surely the sport loving population of Ireland have a right to utilise a stadium that the people of Ireland payed for -- instead of rehashing bigotry that is no longer required !

How could you say Ireland moved on according to television ratings, exactly you think some of the soccer fans could stop being bigots. Really making a laughing stock of all the other respectable soccer fans

Guy:Incognito

ANXIOUS wrote:

Except when you need something like the 4th biggest stadium in europe . Cant wait till the fai are the laughing stock of the world having to play games outside ireland

I'd have preferred that in the first place. It was'nt half obvious the GAA or some of their members would have a hissy fit at some stage. I'd have even preferred the games to be played in Dalymount tbh.

Has there ever been a more insecure organisation? Afraid of big bad football, boo hoo. Oh no, the English are coming to get us, quick get the ira in.

ANXIOUS wrote:

Just the way the fai like it

Did the FAI buy out Lansdowne all of a sudden.

Look tbh you can keep your games of handball and your stadium all to yourselves.

KdjaCL

thebaz wrote:

I thought Ireland had moved on -- and judging by the tv audience watching the "first foreign " game at Croker , it has -- surely the sport loving population of Ireland have a right to utilise a stadium that the people of Ireland payed for -- instead of rehashing bigotry that is no longer required !

So you wont be at the "peaceful" Sinn Fein protest next saturday? There will be bottles and bricks in wheelie bins placed all around north inner city for your thowing pleasure.

GAA are bigots who were forced into conceding Croker, dont worry tho Lansdowne wont be ready and the GAA have no hpe of stopping the goverment forcing them to allow the FAI and IRFU into the stadium.

The above is the GAAs way of trying to help Thomas Davis into tallaght, why now ??? Is there an election soon ?


kdjac

therecklessone

ANXIOUS wrote:

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055053083

i think its all covered here

Yep, you're a bigot who doesn't seem to like soccer.

What you doing here?

therecklessone

ANXIOUS wrote:

How could you say Ireland moved on according to television ratings, exactly you think some of the soccer fans could stop being bigots. Really making a laughing stock of all the other respectable soccer fans

I've heard the "chinese takeaway" and "ting tong" slurs thrown at Jason Sherlock.

Suppose the GAA should be disbanded so...:rolleyes:

ANXIOUS

Stekelly wrote:

I'd have preferred that in the first place. It was'nt half obvious the GAA or some of their members would have a hissy fit at some stage. I'd have even preferred the games to be played in Dalymount tbh.

Has there ever been a more insecure organisation? Afraid of big bad football, boo hoo. Oh no, the English are coming to get us, quick get the ira in.





Did the FAI buy out Lansdowne all of a sudden.

Look tbh you can keep your games of handball and your stadium all to yourselves.

Glad to see we can agree on something, oh yeah before you go to bed tonight look towards davis and see those lovely floodlights and if you get a chance walk past it and see a state of the art all weather pitch

thebaz

KdjaCL wrote:

So you wont be at the "peaceful" Sinn Fein protest next saturday? There will be bottles and bricks in wheelie bins placed all around north inner city for your thowing pleasure.

GAA are bigots who were forced into conceding Croker, dont worry tho Lansdowne wont be ready and the GAA have no hpe of stopping the goverment forcing them to allow the FAI and IRFU into the stadium.

The above is the GAAs way of trying to help Thomas Davis into tallaght, why now ??? Is there an election soon ?


kdjac

I grew up , luckily eneogh playing GAA , soccer and rugby -- i loved Gaelic football , and can not see what all the fuss is about -- all kids should get a choice of what to play , instead of being forced to play something. When moved to a rugby playing school i was forced to stop playing club football -- so bigotry in any direction has no place in sport -- sport is for enjoyment , oh and wining !

ANXIOUS

KdjaCL wrote:

So you wont be at the "peaceful" Sinn Fein protest next saturday? There will be bottles and bricks in wheelie bins placed all around north inner city for your thowing pleasure.

GAA are bigots who were forced into conceding Croker, dont worry tho Lansdowne wont be ready and the GAA have no hpe of stopping the goverment forcing them to allow the FAI and IRFU into the stadium.

The above is the GAAs way of trying to help Thomas Davis into tallaght, why now ??? Is there an election soon ?


kdjac

How can the goverment force the gaa to open a stadium that they OWN, even when lansdowne is rebuilt (if ever) will you own it or just be tenants?
It looks like bertie is gone i cant honestly see trevor sargent or pat rabbitte really caring.

ANXIOUS

therecklessone wrote:

Yep, you're a bigot who doesn't seem to like soccer.

What you doing here?

Is this thread not about something im interested in?

super_furry

SectionF wrote:

... Disappointment was expressed by delegates that "no reciprocal gesture was being made to the GAA" and that Gaelic games were being excluded from the stadium being built in Tallaght, which is being financed by the Government in land provided by the local authority.

This is why I dispise the GAA and the small minded biggotted outlook so many of its members share. "We graciously allowed you to pay us millions of euros to rent our stadium, now we want to take yours."

I'm not going to go off on another one on Tomas Davis and their dispeakable behaviour in Tallaght, but it's typical of the GAA mindset, that they expect to be handed yet another stadium because they were so good to make millions renting Croke Park out.

I can't wait to hear God Save the Queen there next weekend.

John_C

ANXIOUS wrote:

Cant wait till the fai are the laughing stock of the world having to play games outside ireland

Wait until the FAI is the laughing stock of the world? Did you not see the game in San Marino?

Dr. Nick

Bertie Bowl. I see a Bertie Bowl. Rising above the city, bright lights shining.....no Mary Harness or any PD after July 4

ANXIOUS

super_furry wrote:

This is why I dispise the GAA and the small minded biggotted outlook so many of its members share. "We graciously allowed you to pay us millions of euros to rent our stadium, now we want to take yours."

I'm not going to go off on another one on Tomas Davis and their dispeakable behaviour in Tallaght, but it's typical of the GAA mindset, that they expect to be handed yet another stadium because they were so good to make millions renting Croke Park out.

I can't wait to hear God Save the Queen there next weekend.

Haha im 100% sure the gaa will be playing in that stadium, we dont want to take it we want to share like we shared with you. Whats wrong with thomas davis they have done more for tallaght then any soccer team. Maybe shelborne or rovers should have a looka t how to run there clubs by looking at a club thats run properly.

KdjaCL

ANXIOUS wrote:

How can the goverment force the gaa to open a stadium that they OWN, even when lansdowne is rebuilt (if ever) will you own it or just be tenants?

They OWN? How do you figure that something the taxpayers paid for is "yours" are you a member of the GAA hierachy? And why would I own anything im not a member the FAI so why would i care where ireland play.

Im going to see them in Croker in a few weeks and will be going there for a good few years yet. I would hope the GAA fans get used to that. But hey if you want to trust the goverment i will buy you a pint in the bar of Eircom Park/Abbotstown whichever is built 1st. Its nice how the GAA have gotten whatever they wanted from FF over the years now that soccer and irfu fans actually vote , the gaa getting screwed by FF.

kdjac

ANXIOUS

John_C wrote:

Wait until the FAI is the laughing stock of the world? Did you not see the game in San Marino?

Good point, ah but you have to understand they are going to cause an upset in the group

applehunter

Thomas Davis don't need the stadium. They just feel threatened by Rovers.

therecklessone

ANXIOUS wrote:

Is this thread not about something im interested in?

So much so that you went to the bother of requesting access to the forum...

ANXIOUS

KdjaCL wrote:

They OWN? How do you figure that something the taxpayers paid for is "yours" are you a member of the GAA hierachy? And why would I own anything im not a member the FAI so why would i care where ireland play.

Im going to see them in Croker in a few weeks and will be going there for a good few years yet. I would hope the GAA fans get used to that. But hey if you want to trust the goverment i will buy you a pint in the bar of Eircom Park/Abbotstown whichever is built 1st. Its nice how the GAA have gotten whatever they wanted from FF over the years now that soccer and irfu fans actually vote , the gaa getting screwed by FF.

kdjac

To answer your first question yes i am, im part of the back-bone of the gaa. Yes they own they choose who plays by voting. You do know we voted for it to be open, the goverment didnt decide. Like most organisations majority rules (i'm against it). A good few years i count two 2007-2008 yeah thats two.

therecklessone

KdjaCL wrote:

They OWN? How do you figure that something the taxpayers paid for is "yours" are you a member of the GAA hierachy?

Unless the payment of grants was tied to the government taking a % share of the ownership of Croke Park, then yes the GAA do OWN Croke Park.

super_furry

ANXIOUS wrote:

Haha im 100% sure the gaa will be playing in that stadium, we dont want to take it we want to share like we shared with you. Whats wrong with thomas davis they have done more for tallaght then any soccer team. Maybe shelborne or rovers should have a looka t how to run there clubs by looking at a club thats run properly.

The GAA are more than welcome to play there - at underage and minor level. The land just isn't big enough to accomodate a senior GAA pitch and a proper stadium, but that isn't preventing their wasteful delaying tactics that is costing the tax-payer huge money in the courts. The GAA have dozens of public funded stadiums and John O'Donohue is rightly insisting that Tallaght won't be another one for them.

And the GAA isn't 'sharing' Croke Park. They're renting it at a huge profit.

Guy:Incognito

ANXIOUS wrote:

Glad to see we can agree on something, oh yeah before you go to bed tonight look towards davis and see those lovely floodlights and if you get a chance walk past it and see a state of the art all weather pitch

I go past it every week going to play football in the P&T. Doesnt make me want to stop useing my skill and pick the ball up to make it easier though.

ANXIOUS

applehunter wrote:

Thomas Davis don't need the stadium. They just feel threatened by Rovers.

Why would they feel threatened by rovers, they/i just dont think its right whats happening.

KdjaCL

ANXIOUS wrote:

To answer your first question yes i am, im part of the back-bone of the gaa. Yes they own they choose who plays by voting. You do know we voted for it to be open, the goverment didnt decide. Like most organisations majority rules (i'm against it). A good few years i count two 2007-2008 yeah thats two.

So you honestly believe that you can say no to the goverment and not allow anything other than GAA in the stadium? That there is no way you can forced into allowing other sports in.

Jesus gaa folk are a gullible lot.

kdjac

KdjaCL

therecklessone wrote:

Unless the payment of grants was tied to the government taking a % share of the ownership of Croke Park, then yes the GAA do OWN Croke Park.

Do you OWN your house if the goverment decide to put a road tru it? Or pipe for water underneath it? Will you OWNing it stop them?


kdjac

ANXIOUS

Stekelly wrote:

I go past it every week going to play football in the P&T. Doesnt make me want to stop useing my skill and pick the ball up to make it easier though.[/QUOTe/]

Their isnt more skill in soccer, What about hurling the fastest field game in the world?

super_furry

ANXIOUS wrote:

Why would they feel threatened by rovers, they/i just dont think its right whats happening.

They've admitted themselves that their main incentive is to prevent the Rovers first team joining the rest of the club's vast setup in Tallaght. Rhetoric like 'the GAA being the last man standing' and 'preventing the youth of Tallaght being restricted to association football' just shows the biggoted mentality in charge at Thomas Davis.

KdjaCL

ANXIOUS wrote:

Stekelly wrote:

I go past it every week going to play football in the P&T. Doesnt make me want to stop useing my skill and pick the ball up to make it easier though.[/QUOTe/]

Their isnt more skill in soccer, What about hurling the fastest field game in the world?

Your not very good at trolling? You have gone from bigotry to godliness to my sport is better than yours in les than 30 minutes.


clap clap


kdjac

ANXIOUS

KdjaCL wrote:

So you honestly believe that you can say no to the goverment and not allow anything other than GAA in the stadium? That there is no way you can forced into allowing other sports in.

Jesus gaa folk are a gullible lot.

kdjac

Haha you really dont know what your talking about do you, do you have all these arguements remembered from the sun or something? Hhhmm if the goverment could do this so "easily" why did they never do it before instead of showing ireland off to the world in an delapdated shed??

KdjaCL

super_furry wrote:

They've admitted themselves that their main incentive is to prevent the Rovers first team joining the rest of the club's vast setup in Tallaght. Rhetoric like 'the GAA being the last man standing' and 'preventing the youth of Tallaght being restricted to association football' just shows the biggoted mentality in charge at Thomas Davis.

They are right tho, once you get in there your laughing more people living there than in Cork.


kdjac

KdjaCL

ANXIOUS wrote:

Haha you really dont know what your talking about do you, do you have all these arguements remembered from the sun or something? Hhhmm if the goverment could do this so "easily" why did they never do it before instead of showing ireland off to the world in an delapdated shed??

Cos they didnt need to? they had the "shed".

I do know that doing any deal with goverment gets you screwed in the ass. And just happens to be your turn. I hope it works out for you and you dont get screwed.....

kdjac

ANXIOUS

KdjaCL wrote:

Do you OWN your house if the goverment decide to put a road tru it? Or pipe for water underneath it? Will you OWNing it stop them?


kdjac

Just to entertain you, when the goverment does this they have to pay its called a cpo imagen how much the gaa would get for this. Actually how stupid is that point?

Dr. Nick

As a current member of the GAA (for under-12 reasons) and one who played and still supports soccer as a preference over the years, I'm wondering why the new Lansdowne is too short for GAA. What's all that about?

I'm not a defender of ANXIOUS, but I think the decision today is correct, in that it'll force a bit of urgency. God knows the FAI need urgency. And after Bertie's recent comments, if Lansdowne doesn't happen, I do see the re-emergence of the Bertie Bowl post-election.

KdjaCL

ANXIOUS wrote:

Just to entertain you,

I think your just trying to entertain yourself.


kdjac

ANXIOUS

KdjaCL wrote:

ANXIOUS wrote:

Your not very good at trolling? You have gone from bigotry to godliness to my sport is better than yours in les than 30 minutes.


clap clap


kdjac

who brought in the skill bit? exactly
Trolling how? im trying to debate no point just having loads of pro-soccer responses

ANXIOUS

therecklessone wrote:

Unless the payment of grants was tied to the government taking a % share of the ownership of Croke Park, then yes the GAA do OWN Croke Park.

Listen to your fellow soccer supporter

Guy:Incognito

ANXIOUS wrote:

Their isnt more skill in soccer, What about hurling the fastest field game in the world?

What has speed got to do with skill? Are drag racers th emost skillfull drivers in the world?

I played Gealic and Hurling for my primary school because we werent given an option to play football. I found it a lot easier being able to use my hands to pass and shoot than having to use only my feet. I found gealic very easy tbh. In my opinion there is more skill involved in using your feet.

ANXIOUS

super_furry wrote:

They've admitted themselves that their main incentive is to prevent the Rovers first team joining the rest of the club's vast setup in Tallaght. Rhetoric like 'the GAA being the last man standing' and 'preventing the youth of Tallaght being restricted to association football' just shows the biggoted mentality in charge at Thomas Davis.

Your point makes no sense, because they are not against rovers coming to tallaght they just want to share the statdium.

ANXIOUS

Stekelly wrote:

What has speed got to do with skill? Are drag racers th emost skillfull drivers in the world?

I played Gealic and Hurling for my primary school because we werent given an option to play football. I found it a lot easier being able to use my hands to pass and shoot than having to use only my feet. I found gealic very easy tbh. In my opinion there is more skill involved in using your feet.

I can see where you are coming from with football, but there is no way any resonable person would even compare it to hurling.

Dr. Nick

Stekelly wrote:

What has speed got to do with skill? Are drag racers th emost skillfull drivers in the world?

I played Gealic and Hurling for my primary school because we werent given an option to play football. I found it a lot easier being able to use my hands to pass and shoot than having to use only my feet. I found gealic very easy tbh. In my opinion there is more skill involved in using your feet.

Having played all sports for many years, most skill required scale:
1. Hurling
2. Association Football
3. Handball
4. Gaelic Football
99. Deal or no Deal

super_furry

ANXIOUS wrote:

Your point makes no sense, because they are not against rovers coming to tallaght they just want to share the statdium.

If senior GAA is to be accomodated in Tallaght stadium the existing stand would have to be knocked down, the proposed carpark would be unable to be built and the capacity would go from 10,000 to 4,000. With the ammount of stadiums the GAA already own, what would they want with a mis-shapen lobsided 4,000 seater stand?

The obvious answer is that they don't, they're just trying to prevent Rovers from getting into Tallaght.

As I've said before there is no problem with sharing the stadium - rugby, other football teams, athletics, even underage GAA would all be welcome. However in the same way that you can't accomodate golf in a swimming pool, you can't accomodate senior GAA in a stadium that's too small for it.

KdjaCL

ANXIOUS wrote:

Your point makes no sense, because they are not against rovers coming to tallaght they just want to share the statdium.

No they have admitted it, Furry irc posted the article here sometime ago from a local paper, they expressedly stated they didnt want have any other sport getting a foothold in tallaght and if it did they wanted money for something in the clubhouse. Now they want the stadium enlarged and have changed their minds and only want it for kids to play which doesnt need the stadium to be englarged. Rovers fans would know more sadly altho they deserve Tallaght to themselves its in my best interests that TD win and share it with them.

But Rovers will take over Tallaght when they get in and TD are right to fear them, what kid will want to play GAA when Rovers will have a stadium and academy there.


kdjac

Guy:Incognito

ANXIOUS wrote:

Your point makes no sense, because they are not against rovers coming to tallaght they just want to share the statdium.

"wanting to share the stadium" has th econvenient bonus attached of delaying Rovers getting in to Tallaght. Conincidence?

Why would Thomas Davis want in to it anyway? They have great "world Class" facilities as it is. If they want a stadium they have plenty of space to build one instead of trying to muscle in on a half buit one that would have to be torn down and restarted to fit them in.

therecklessone

KdjaCL wrote:

Do you OWN your house if the goverment decide to put a road tru it? Or pipe for water underneath it? Will you OWNing it stop them?

What are you trying to suggest? That the government will issue a comulsory purchase order on Croke Park? Go communist and nationalise it? You think TD vs Rovers is a costly court case, wait until you see GAA vs Government re. Croker.

You think ANY political party will start to play silly buggers with tens of thousands of GAA voters to that extent?

They may well attach conditions of access to future GAA funding, thats an obvious choice.