Do you believe in karma?

bolliwoodi

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karma

Karma is the belief(i think) that if you do bad that you will get bad luck back.

Now i really dont know what to think of this- But latley my mates gotten really into it.

One night she got drunk and cheated on her partner- and ended up having a full blown affair- and during the "affair" she lost her job/broke her leg/got bitten by a dog and had to get a tetnis- and her father was in a car accident.

Once she ended the affair she got a new job-Her father recovered and things are fine.

Shes CONVINCED that all the bad luck she was getting had to do with Karma but Im not sure.

Does anyone here believe in Karma?

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

so I guess all the poor ****ers that died in the tsunami lived horrible lives before then, and all the children dieing in africa, and the palestinians being ****ed over by Israel.

it's all bull****. **** happens randomly to random people.

connundrum

Maybe, if you want to put a name on it.

I generally believe that if you're a good person, then you'll be looked after. Unless you're an unlucky good person. Then you'll quickly become an unlucky, good and frustrated person.

Dave!

No I do not believe in Karma.

enda1

^
What he said.

Dave!

connundrum wrote:

Maybe, if you want to put a name on it.

I generally believe that if you're a good person, then you'll be looked after. Unless you're an unlucky good person. Then you'll quickly become an unlucky, good and frustrated person.

huh?

c - 13

If people believe in Karma then when they thnk they are doing something wrong they will notice bad things happening to them, however, most of these thing could be, and probably are, relatively minor but because the person is expecting something to happen to them they are picking up on the event and blowing it out of proportion.

Personally though, no, I dont believe in Karma.

phantom_lord

bolliwoodi wrote:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karma

Karma is the belief(i think) that if you do bad that you will get bad luck back.

Shes CONVINCED that all the bad luck she was getting had to do with Karma but Im not sure.

Does anyone here believe in Karma?

that's not even close to what karma is about.

did u even read your own link?

smcelhinney

I believe in Karma, totally.

Like, Im clean living, help old people across the road, and am generally a nice person. Couple of skeletons, but who hasnt.

But, I've never had anything majorly bad happen in my life. Call it luck if you like, but I like to think that there's a balance there. Giving off positive energy invariably reflects well on you..

Pity everyone else didnt buy into this philosophy..

petes

It's a big load of horse shite.

cornbb

I believe in karma, which is unusual for me cause I usually believe in things that are clearly proven by science and karma is obviously not one of these things. But I believe that nature likes to maintain a certain balance with everything, whether it is between war and peace, disaster and prosperity, life and death, or whatever. I think that if you do bad things, they will have repercussions that may come back to bite you in the ass. Its not supernatural or anything, its just nature.

seamus

smcelhinney wrote:

Giving off positive energy invariably reflects well on you..

That's the way I think of it. I don't believe that doing bad things means that you'll have bad luck. That is, just because you upset your Mum yesterday, doesn't mean you're going to be drowned in a tsunami tomorrow.

I do believe though that your general state of mind has a massive effect on the way you conduct yourself, and your effect on those around you. This invariably leads to poor decisions by yourself, which can lead to bad things happening to you, and can lead to others making mistakes or otherwise doing bad things around you which have an effect on you.

For e.g.

and during the "affair" she lost her job/broke her leg/got bitten by a dog and had to get a tetnis- and her father was in a car accident.

Losing your job, breaking your leg, and getting bitten by a dog are things which you have control over. A good state of mind (conscious or otherwise) or personal energy may have prevented these incidents from occuring in the first place. Someone else's car accident is generally bad luck. However, what if her father was upset because he knew she was having an affair with his son-in-law, which preoccupied him and was partially a cause of the crash? Another knock-on effect of karma

meditraitor

Sort of, but as a previous poster put,

If people believe in Karma then when they thnk they are doing something wrong they will notice bad things happening to them,

Although I can see the positive side of believing in Karma, if you took it serious it might make you think twice about the nasty crap most people do on off days, just maybe

Terry

bolliwoodi wrote:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karma

Karma is the belief(i think) that if you do bad that you will get bad luck back.

Now i really dont know what to think of this- But latley my mates gotten really into it.

One night she got drunk and cheated on her partner- and ended up having a full blown affair- and during the "affair" she lost her job/broke her leg/got bitten by a dog and had to get a tetnis- and her father was in a car accident.

Once she ended the affair she got a new job-Her father recovered and things are fine.

Shes CONVINCED that all the bad luck she was getting had to do with Karma but Im not sure.

Does anyone here believe in Karma?

All coincidences.

5starpool

Are you Glenn Hoddle in disguise?

brianthebard

I believe that most people don't know what karma really is, including the OP in this instance.

humbert

I only belive in it in the statistical, don't shit in your own back year sense. If you go around acting like a gobshite to the people close to you people are going to start acting shit to you. In a more spiritual sense I don't believe a word of it, though as spiritual/religious stuff goes it wouldn't be the worst way to live.

Kingp35

petes wrote:

It's a big load of horse shite.

That sums it up perfectly.

Sangre

No, I'm not an idiot.

redzerdrog

5starpool wrote:

Are you Glenn Hoddle in disguise?

damn you i was gona say that

raido9

meditraitor wrote:

Although I can see the positive side of believing in Karma, if you took it serious it might make you think twice about the nasty crap most people do on off days, just maybe

No different to religion, its a load of balls, but if it makes people live a better life then go for it!

brianthebard

brianthebard wrote:

I believe that most people don't know what karma really is, including the OP in this instance.

Complete truth.

I would like to point out, quoting from the wiki,

Karma is not about retribution, vengeance, punishment or reward

Once she ended the affair she got a new job-Her father recovered and things are fine.

Shes CONVINCED that all the bad luck she was getting had to do with Karma but Im not sure.

She doesn't know what karma is.

imeatingchips

is her name earl?

JustCoz

I definitely believe in it to a certain extent. i don't believe that you can go through life treating people badly and only looking after number 1 without getting any just deserts. I know this is a small example but I was at a college ball last week with hundreds of people. I skipped a girl at the bar and later on she stood on my foot (completely by accident, she wasn't even looking) My foot was in pain for the whole night.
I think that this may have been karma....:p

padi89

petes wrote:

It's a big load of horse shite.

Yup,agreed.

imeatingchips

The law of karma, as the average pleb understands it (like my good self before I read that wiki) is very similar to other nuggets of wisdom which are oft smugly offered to injured party/parties:

as you sow, so shall you reap
what goes around comes around
live by the sword die by the sword
play with matches you get burnt
etc (i'm sure there's more - anyone got any?)
just desserts [edit] thank you justcos

humans like order and fairness and so lots of them tend to lean towards these beliefs but that doesn't necesarily make "karma" untrue, infact, it makes it true:

It can be a self fulfilling prophecy - if *you feel* like you're being a rotten bastard you will no doubt "find" bad things happening to you.

And, even if *you don't feel* like you are but others feel that you are being a rotten bastard (either to them or to someone else), you will likely be kept at a distance or out of a position of power should you decide to treat them the same way. Being held in a low regard by others is very bad because then you miss out on the "luck" that comes with trust, networking and backscratching.

i shall back up my daft claims with irrefutable evidence, the anecdotal kind:

my mate paddy does nixers. he does a decent job and has been known to accept dinner and bulmers in lieu of payment, to wave off payment for something that turned out to be a 5 minute fix etc.

my other mate, john, "a cute hor" and a sound man by all accounts, plies the same trade, also does nixers and he too does a decent job. however, he charges, and has been known to charge, for things that didnt need to be fixed (only for others of mind - never one of us).

and guess who has the better luck? paddy. he's never stuck for work for starters but he's a lucky bastard in loads of ways. general consensus is that he's bang on, pints appear in front of him, tickets for matches nobody get get tickets for are found for him, he's the inside track with drunken girls ("ahhh paddys bang on aahh" before u know it mmm awwh smooch smooch), his gaf burnt down (surely bad "karma"?) and people where coming out of the woodwork to to help out. he's a lucky person and he himself agrees but puts it down to "what goes around comes around".

I, on the other hand, play on boards all day instead of working so have absolutely no luck

brianthebard

Whats a nixer?

Stench Blossoms

I believe in it.

If I saw someone falling and I laugh at them, 9/10 later that day I will trip/fall.

imeatingchips

brianthebard wrote:

Whats a nixer?

NIXER

2nd job done illegally or without reporting for tax purposes. Can often be done on time paid for by main employment, or with material from main employment.

e.g. Garbage worker getting paid for picking up a bin which is not officially on his paid for route. He is paid by the bin owner, and his employer is not aware that the waste is going on his truck.

- http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=nixer

Ruu_Old

brianthebard wrote:

Whats a nixer?

An under the table sort of jawb.

biko

I believe in the Social contract, kinda like the golden rule but without gods and stuff

Dave!

As imeatingchips has said, if you're good to people, people will be good to you. That's not supernatural, it's just human nature that if someone is nice to you, you'll reciprocate (assuming you're not a c*nt yourself). If someone spits in your face, you'll likely respond in kind. That's why his mate "paddy" had loadsa people helping him when his house burned down, cos they know he's a nice person and want to help him.

However if paddy was on the beach in Thailand on Stephens Day 2004, all the good deeds in the world wouldn't stop that wave from killing him.

Overheal

I believe Karma insofar as its pure psychology.




Still I can't help but wonder about nagging coincidences...the kind of coincidences that make you believe you are the star on The Truman Show o.0

Im scared..........

Nature Boy

No reason to believe it. Good things will happen to you wheteher you did something good before that or not, and vice versa.

It's coincidence

danniemcq

but he's on boards unless he's a bot

Tar.Aldarion

No, of course not.

Rb

I wish Karma existed, then I could stop plotting revenge and wishing cancer on people.

shane86

If Karma exists then in the haze of alcohol that was new years eve 2005 I must have burned down an orphanage, given the run of bad luck I had over 2006.

Bodhidharma

Whether Karma is real or not is not the issue. The fact is the world would be a far better place if you act as if it does. It doesn't take a leap of faith to have it as part of your life. I would love to say i believe in it, honestly i dont, but i live as it if it is.

Unlike Christianity or other religions, where there are punishments for evil and rewards for good, Karma is entirely dependent on how YOU act. There are no ten commandments or scripture you must adhere to.

I cant understand why someone would not live this way. Surely your own moral judgement is enough to stop you doing really bad things. People should be held accountable. Maybe some time in the future the human race will reach a point where individuals take responsibility for their own actions.

The OP mentioned a friend who had an affair and all these things happened to her. It could be Karma. Whether Karma punishes her or not, she shouldn't have done it.

It would be nice if it were true but i doubt it.

Dave!

Bodhidharma wrote:

Whether Karma is real or not is not the issue. The fact is the world would be a far better place if you act as if it does. It doesn't take a leap of faith to have it as part of your life. I would love to say i believe in it, honestly i dont, but i live as it if it is.

Unlike Christianity or other religions, where there are punishments for evil and rewards for good, Karma is entirely dependent on how YOU act. There are no ten commandments or scripture you must adhere to.

I cant understand why someone would not live this way. Surely your own moral judgement is enough to stop you doing really bad things. People should be held accountable. Maybe some time in the future the human race will reach a point where individuals take responsibility for their own actions.

The OP mentioned a friend who had an affair and all these things happened to her. It could be Karma. Whether Karma punishes her or not, she shouldn't have done it.

It would be nice if it were true but i doubt it.

People shouldn't be kind to one-another because they want something in return (ie. the kindness to be reciprocated). They should be kind to one-another because it's a nice thing to do, and because it makes the other person feel good. And for the most part (in my experience, I don't think there's been research in this area!) people are nice because it's good to be kind

This reminds me of those people who say that they lead a moral life because they don't want to go to hell. The only reason they're not our pillaging and raping is because they want to avoid eternal damnation. That's a pretty sh*tty reason to be moral IMO.

Of course it's probably untrue for most people, but they like to believe otherwise.

So, am I one of the few that does believe in Karma, somewhat?

I mean it's always a good idea to do good things for people no matter what may happen.

Bodhidharma

DaveMcG wrote:

People shouldn't be kind to one-another because they want something in return (ie. the kindness to be reciprocated). They should be kind to one-another because it's a nice thing to do, and because it makes the other person feel good. And for the most part (in my experience, I don't think there's been research in this area!) people are nice because it's good to be kind

Eh....yeah thats exactly what i said.

DaveMcG wrote:

This reminds me of those people who say that they lead a moral life because they don't want to go to hell. The only reason they're not our pillaging and raping is because they want to avoid eternal damnation. That's a pretty sh*tty reason to be moral IMO.

Of course it's probably untrue for most people, but they like to believe otherwise.

I'm not sure how i should take this comment, you seem to be agreeing with me but also insinuating that I'm one of those people "who say that they lead a moral life because they don't want to go to hell."

Revelation Joe

Slightly OT but if you *are* someone who does good deeds for people, you might be interested in a collective called Join Me - the URL is in my sig.

Revelation Joe

Revelation Joe wrote:

Slightly OT but if you *are* someone who does good deeds for people, you might be interested in a collective called Join Me - the URL is in my sig.

Even though I do like the idea and loved Are You Dave Gorman, you probably shouldnt advertise the site.

Bateman

Every so often, I do something bad, and bad stuff happens to me. Obviously I can't prove it, but yes, in my experience, it exists.

Revelation Joe

Deleted User wrote:

Even though I do like the idea and loved Are You Dave Gorman, you probably shouldnt advertise the site.

Er...why? We'd like to get more members, because that means more good deeds beign done and more people being happy!

Rb

Revelation Joe wrote:

Er...why? We'd like to get more members, because that means more good deeds beign done and more people being happy!

Yeah, but are you really happy?

brianthebard

Ruu wrote:

An under the table sort of jawb.

What? That sounds illegal! People don't do illegal stuff do they?:eek: :eek:

Black Swan

bolliwoodi wrote:

One night she got drunk and cheated on her partner- and ended up having a full blown affair- and during the "affair" she lost her job/broke her leg/got bitten by a dog and had to get a tetnis- and her father was in a car accident.

Once she ended the affair she got a new job-Her father recovered and things are fine.

Shes CONVINCED that all the bad luck she was getting had to do with Karma but Im not sure.

Coincidence, or her feelings of guilt influenced outcomes, or both?

Now, if you practice the Golden Rule, many may respond to you accordingly?

Karma is NOT "what goes around comes around" and it is NOT "If I do good things I get a reward"
argh :mad:

No wonder noone understands it, if I asked the lot of ye what dharma is and how karma is connected to rebirth could ye answer

Red Hand

"Kharma, kharma, kharma, chamaleon, it comes and and goes..."

No, I don't believe in the phenomon that many would describe as Kharma. Why would I?