How do you think 'god save the queen' will go down?

Marshy

I'm intrigued to see how that'll go down at croker! Any thoughts?

Sundy

Good i hope, if the crowd disrespects it i will be dissapointed.

daveirl

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ARGINITE

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It's just another game. I dont see how the venue will change how people would react to an national anthem.

is_that_so

Agreed. It was after all the IRFU who got €4 million from Sunday - from rugby fans. The GAA only got the rent!
It's just an anthem.

Marshy

Yeah I totally agree that its only an anthem, but taking the history of croker into account I think you're bound to have a few people who will dis it. I mean I'd hate to see it but I personally think its inevitable.

ARGINITE

Marshy wrote:

Yeah I totally agree that its only an anthem, but taking the history of croker into account I think you're bound to have a few people who will dis it. I mean I'd hate to see it but I personally think its inevitable.

I expect higher standards from rugby supporters.
It's not a soccer game.
While all rugby fan are not angles, the only riot in a major sporting event in Ireland that comes to mind is a certain soccer game in lansdown road.

daveirl

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walrusgumble

there is more issues at stake than a two minute song to the dear old quenn. it should be respeced no matter if its soccer or rugby or gaa. we would expect our anthems to be respected abroad. if anyone gets so annoyed by it, they could always popout to the toilet or get a beer

Sundy

Marshy wrote:

Yeah I totally agree that its only an anthem, but taking the history of croker into account I think you're bound to have a few people who will dis it. I mean I'd hate to see it but I personally think its inevitable.

Thats what im afraid of and with the extra tickets, it will be more open this year to have that kind of people there. To say it definately wont happen is stupid cause i have heard plenty of dissenters to GSTQ being played there and if there enough to start booing others might join in. I dont want it to happen but i do think theres a chance.

Steyr

I hope it goes off well, us Rugby fans are more a respectful bunch compared to others, If other people cant just accept its History then Fcuk them.

LostinBlanch

It's already been played at Croke Park. 2003 Special Olympics. Or doesn't that count?

Chucky the tree

Steyr wrote:

I hope it goes off well, us Rugby fans are more a respectful bunch compared to others, If other people cant just accept its History then Fcuk them.

Now thats real respect.

walrusgumble

just checking out the after hours thread, where there is a similar thread about croker, there appears to be well found fears of republician sinn fein (lads behind love ulster riot) pickting outside croker, and possibility of riots. brilliant thats all we need. why cant they feck off, most of the country dont seem to have a problem with rugby being played at croker.who do they think their representing?

Snickers Man

Marshy wrote:

but taking the history of croker into account I think you're bound to have a few people who will dis it.

True. But they're unlikely to be in the ground. They'll more than likely be outside or even more likely, down the pub.

I wonder are any of them thinking of having a demo outside the ground. Wouldn't put it past some of them.

An Tarbh

well correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think it was booed when the hooligans went mental in the West stand in 95.

The fact that Amhrán na bhFiain was played in full without the GAA interuption towards the end suggests that rugby fans have got their hands on the tickets and should be the same for the England match.

I doubt there'll be any problem with it, other than the fact that it's the worst national anthem of all the teams but that's just a question of preference.

Mrs_Doyle

If the media have anything to do with it you can be sure it wont go down very well at all.
Fair too much sensational coverage of late, imo, all created with the sole aim of generating emotion and bad vibe on the day.

ARGINITE

Mrs_Doyle wrote:

Fair too much sensational coverage of late, imo, all created with the sole aim of generating emotion and bad vibe on the day.

Agreed, the media are blowing the whole thing out of proportion.
I think it will go off with out a hitch.

Amz

Republican Sinn Fein are planning a protest at Croke Park, so lets hope that what happened at the "Love Ulster" march doesn't happen on the day.

I'll be very disappointed if anything serious happens. I just hope the hype generated by the media and some other organisations doesn't cuase what will be a tense situation to boil over.

I think the genuine rugby fans will be respectful.

I'd hate to see what could be a very memorable day in Irish sporting and cultural history being tarnished by a few morons out to cause trouble.

tHE vAGGABOND

Republican Sinn Fein

I really REALLY hope they do - and then we can laugh in their faces and call them the idiots they are. I really cant stand those 'arm chair' republicans.

Not to sound like a tosser here, but Rugby is a game played and watched by gentlemen! The friendly natutre of players and fans and the rich tradition are the main things I love about rugby. The fact I can try to kill a bloke on the park at 3.30 and be playing drinking games with him at 5 is pure class


I hope that everyone is quiet for all 3 anthems :rolleyes:

daveirl

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RuggieBear

The protest will be no where near the ground as the GARDA have it cordoned off.

I just can't wait for the dozen or so bomb warnings there will be on the day.:(

Hydroquinone

tHE vAGGABOND wrote:

I really REALLY hope they do - and then we can laugh in their faces and call them the idiots they are.

That doesn't bother them, though does it?
If a foreign person laughed at them, they'd shrug it off, saying that a foreigner wouldnt understand the issues.
If an Irish person laughed at them, they'd shrug it off and say he was a West-Brit wannabe and a disgrace to his nation.
If a known legitmate Nationalist or Republican laughed at them, they'd shrug it off saying he was a sell out and a traitor to the glorious cause.

Extrmemists of any stripe are like that - essentially entrenched in their own vision of victimisation and totally convinced that they're doing something justified and noble. And that everyone else is wrong. All the time.

komodosp

If there was a time to boo the English NA, then it was when they stood on the wrong side of the red carpet that time... (or was the anthem first)

crosstownk

RuggieBear wrote:

The protest will be no where near the ground as the GARDA have it cordoned off.

I just can't wait for the dozen or so bomb warnings there will be on the day.:(

But I bet the TV cameras will show some form of protest and make us look like idiots. It's a sporting occasion - lets drop the politics and enjoy 80 minutes of what will, hopefully, be good rugby.

God Save The Queen in Croker - so what. Sure, there are events that happened there in the past, buts let's look forward. If we live in the past the future will never come.

I'm quite nationalist/republican, but I'm also sick of the anti-British sentiment that resounds in this country.

Snickers Man

What's the controversy? It's the national anthem of a visiting nation, playing our own national side as equal partners in our own capital city. Why should their anthem be any less respectfully regarded than anybody else's?

Those who think that nobody, not even the British, should sing God Save the Queen, even at such an unthreatening and totally appropriate occasion such as before an international sporting fixture are emotionally stunted, historically naive and politically ungenerous inadequates who do not have the character to accept that not everybody shares their prejudices.

They are no better than the dreadful Richard Aldous (the English guy who sometimes sits in on the Newstalk morning program) who got all upset at the sight of Germans exhibiting some national pride during the World Cup which they organised so brilliantly last year.

Here's what he wrote in teh Irish Times at the time .

Richard Aldous in the Irish Times July 15, 2006 wrote:

A vaguely disconcerting aspect of the recent Fifa World Cup - not least to Germans themselves - was the sight of 70,000 of their flag-waving countrymen proudly singing Deutschland über alles in Hitler's Olympic Stadium.

The arena remains eerily dominated by the distinctive fascist-style architecture of the Olympic Marathon Gate. Seventy years on, the Führer's presiding role was taken by the benevolent figure of "Der Kaiser" Franz Beckenbauer, perhaps the most respected man in world football. Nevertheless it was a controversial decision by the German FA to embrace a notorious past in such open fashion by putting this infamous stadium at the heart of the tournament.

Notwithstanding the fact that the words, if not the tune, of the German National Anthem have been changed so that they now read Einigkeit und Rechts und Freiheit (Unity, Justice and Freedom) why shouldn't a generation of Germans born long since the end of the War feel proud in their own country's achievement? And how far do you have to go to expunge Nazism from today's Germany? Tear down a stadium because Hitler visited it once?


This is the same attitude that some developers had towards the beautiful Georgian architecture in Dublin. "It was built by the Brits. Rip it down and put up mostrosities like Liberty Hall, or Setanta House or the other concrete and glass hideous beings that now infest the city centre."

Come on guys (and girls). Let's show we're more magnanimous than this ignoramus. Stand to attention for GSTQ, let the English sing it to their heart's content, applaud politely at the end and then belt out Amrhan na bhFiann and Ireland's Call (if we must) with full gusto and urge our team to get stuck into them.

For the next 80 minutes only.

spanner

Snickers Man wrote:

Come on guys (and girls). Let's show we're more magnanimous than this ignoramus. Stand to attention for GSTQ, let the English sing it to their heart's content, applaud politely at the end and then belt out Amrhan na bhFiann and Ireland's Call (if we must) with full gusto and urge our team to get stuck into them.

For the next 80 minutes only.

and from this form and the general public I think this will happen, but remember before the love ulster parade nobody really seen the riot come the way it did. It nearly came out of no where and their voice seem to be listened to more abroad. I really hope their is not a repeat

Conor_8

spanner wrote:

and from this form and the general public I think this will happen, but remember before the love ulster parade nobody really seen the riot come the way it did. It nearly came out of no where and their voice seem to be listened to more abroad. I really hope their is not a repeat

I agree and hope so too. But with all the emotion its hard to tell. I can't remember an Irish crowd booing kickers as much as the France game in Croker.

Ponster

Snickers Man wrote:

...For the next 80 minutes only.

Someone had better tell the Irish team that a rugby match lasts for 80 minutes then and not 78 minutes like last week !

super_furry

Ponster wrote:

Someone had better tell the Irish team that a rugby match lasts for 80 minutes then and not 78 minutes like last week !

78? They didn't play for the first 15 either.

Sadly I think the English national anthem will be booed, but not necessarily by rugby fans. I think the event junkies and fair weather fans that turn up for any remotely major sporting event, will embarass the country.

cgarvey

super_furry wrote:

Sadly I think the English national anthem will be booed, but not necessarily by rugby fans. I think the event junkies and fair weather fans that turn up for any remotely major sporting event, will embarass the country.

Good point, and certainly a cross section of the few Hill 16 fans I met last week would support that argument.