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America Vs Iran

  • 12-02-2007 03:21PM
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    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,144 ✭✭✭


    So, first we had the whole Nuclear Power(bombs) with Iran that has caused some uproar, and now America are accusing Iran of supplying Iraq with the bombs used to kill 170 American soldiers since 2004.

    So what does the future hold? Does anyone think America will take action against Iran? Personally, nothing really surprises me anymore:p

    Discuss


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,084 ✭✭✭✭Zebra3


    Well, how many people have the American forces murdered and tortured in Iraq and what about the weapons of mass destruction, including nuclear weapons, that the Americans have?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,219 ✭✭✭✭biko


    America will invade Iran. They don't care that they don't have the trust of the UN nor any other country, even the UK are getting tired of these warmongers.
    Claims that they (US) have hard evidence for Irans involvement are slim at best, not even considering that Bush et al lied about evidence the last time to force a conflict.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,084 ✭✭✭✭Zebra3


    America is a bully and only picks on those it thinks it can beat easily enough.

    There's no chance of them trying to invade Iran.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,061 ✭✭✭✭Terry


    BBC wrote:
    Iran president attacks US claims
    Mahmoud Ahmadinejad
    Mr Ahmadinejad said foreign forces should leave Iraq
    Iran's President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad says US accusations Tehran is fomenting violence in Iraq are an attempt to hide Washington's own failures.

    Mr Ahmadinejad made the comments in a rare US television interview on Monday.

    US officials in Iraq had said they had evidence that Iran was providing weapons to Shia militias who attacked the US military.

    Mr Ahmadinejad said Iran "shied away from all conflict" and that no peace would come with foreign troops in Iraq.

    'Baseless propaganda'

    In the interview with ABC Television in Tehran, Mr Ahmadinejad was questioned repeatedly about the US claims.


    Anyone who wants to attack our country will be seriously punished
    Mahmoud Ahmadinejad

    He said the accusations were "excuses to prolong the stay" of US forces.

    "There should be no foreigners there in Iraq. And then you see that you have peace in Iraq," Mr Ahmadinejad said.

    He said any claims of Iranian military supplies should have a "court to prove the case".

    Mr Ahmadinejad said: "We have made it clear the lack of security in Iraq is to our disadvantage."

    Earlier Iranian Foreign Ministry spokesman Mohammad Ali Hosseini had called the US allegations baseless propaganda.

    He said Washington had a long history of fabricating evidence.


    US military image of 'explosively formed penetrators'
    We assess that these activities are coming from the senior levels of the Iranian government
    US official


    On Sunday, US officials said they had proof that Iran had provided sophisticated weapons which had been used to kill American soldiers in Iraq.

    The US claims have not been independently verified.

    The Bush administration denies it is planning to invade Iran but has indicated it is willing to use military force to deal with any Iranian interference inside Iraq.

    Democratic Senator Chris Dodd said the Bush administration had tried to falsify evidence before, and it would be a mistake to create a premise for future military action.

    Mr Ahmadinejad told ABC he thought the possibility of an attack "very low".

    "We believe there are wise people in the US who will stop such illegal actions," he said.

    "Anyone who wants to attack our country will be seriously punished."
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/6353923.stm

    In pictures: US Iran evidence
    US claims: Why now?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,530 ✭✭✭Naked Lepper


    No chance will the US invade Iraq, even if they believed they could pull it off, the whole country is basicially against sending anymore troops over.. and Bush doesnt have enough time, the backing or resources to begin another invasion.

    Iran may invade the USA in a few years though. =D


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 594 ✭✭✭Judt


    As I've said over in politics, the US is posturing. Israel is the wild card. If they get a real whiff of Iran building a nuke you can wave goodbye to Tehran as a tourist destination for the next hundred years, because Israel will drop one on Iran rather than run the risk of Iran dropping one or two on Haifa.

    The US doesn't have the power anymore to do more than bomb the odd factory, they certainly can't invade and occupy the country. Iran could cut off 20% of the worlds oil supply with a single missile into a tanker, blocking the major shipping artery from that part of the world.

    As I say, it's Israel who will play the wild card here.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,061 ✭✭✭✭Terry


    Judt wrote:
    As I've said over in politics, the US is posturing. Israel is the wild card. If they get a real whiff of Iran building a nuke you can wave goodbye to Tehran as a tourist destination for the next hundred years, because Israel will drop one on Iran rather than run the risk of Iran dropping one or two on Haifa.

    The US doesn't have the power anymore to do more than bomb the odd factory, they certainly can't invade and occupy the country. Iran could cut off 20% of the worlds oil supply with a single missile into a tanker, blocking the major shipping artery from that part of the world.

    As I say, it's Israel who will play the wild card here.
    Yep.
    Israeli missile test 'successful'
    An Arrow anti-ballistic missile interceptor at launch in the US
    The Arrow missile was first developed to counter Iraqi scuds
    Israel has carried out a successful test of its Arrow missile, the defence ministry has said.

    One of the missiles was fired at night and destroyed what Israeli media said was a target similar to Iran's long-range Shahab-3 missile.

    The test took place as Iran celebrated the 28th anniversary of its Islamic revolution.

    Israel has considered Iran its greatest threat since the overthrow of Saddam Hussein in Iraq in 2003, analysts say.

    'Message to Iran'

    "This evening's successful test reinforces Israel's readiness... against external threats at the extremes of its operational envelope," said Israeli Defence Minister Amir Peretz.

    The Arrow missile was fired from a base south of Tel Aviv at a missile launched from an aircraft over the eastern Mediterranean at a high altitude.

    This was the first test of the Arrow missile to be conducted at night.

    Israeli public television called the test a "message to Iran".

    The anti-ballistic missile system was developed jointly with the United States after Israel came under attack by Iraqi Scud missiles during the first Gulf War.

    Some Western nations, including Israel, fear Iran is trying to develop nuclear weapons.

    Iran says its nuclear programme is for peaceful purposes only.
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6352659.stm


    I can't find it at the moment, but there was somethnig on sky news earlier about some smuggling of nuclear materials from Georgia (I think) into Iran.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,367 ✭✭✭Agamemnon


    The US won't invade Iran, not for the foreseeable future anyway. They are already overstretched in Iraq and they can't hold the place together. They may resort to bombing it but they don't have the manpower or the will for an invasion.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,658 ✭✭✭Patricide


    "Iran says its nuclear programme is for peaceful purposes only."

    Correct me if m wrong but isnt this how the cold war came about? :D. Still though bleh israel is the one to watch.


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 16,881 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    Terry wrote:
    I can't find it at the moment, but there was somethnig on sky news earlier about some smuggling of nuclear materials from Georgia (I think) into Iran.

    I seem to recall many moons ago (circa 2000) a report that the Iranians had likely received two former Soviet nukes that went absent after the Soviet collapse. Russians deny it.
    they don't have the manpower or the will for an invasion.

    Invasion, yes. Occupation, no. The US is still quite capable of invading Iran, ripping apart its facilities, and then leaving. The one is a lot less manpower-intensive and time-consuming than the other. Only problem is that it would leave an extremely pissed off population which wouldn't be particularly helpful in the long run, even if it did pretty much prevent the nuclear program.

    NTM


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,264 ✭✭✭✭Hobbes


    I believe one of the starts of the cold war was the US flying high altitude spy planes over Russia until Russia invented a way to shoot one down.

    As for Iran. US invade? Not unless something terrible happens or Isarel drag them into it.

    I've been watching this from time to time.
    http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/ops/iran-timeline.htm

    Its a military website that has been making predictions of when attacks would take place. It even goes into why Russia has recently berated Bush.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,264 ✭✭✭✭Hobbes


    The US is still quite capable of invading Iran, ripping apart its facilities, and then leaving.

    I doubt it has. It certainly has the ability to take out targets without ever putting troops on the ground but thats about it. It isn't Iraq. You won't see people surrendering. The cities themselves are on-par or better then a lot of western countries. They have resources and they have the ability to choke the rest of the worlds resources.

    Also they don't have nuclear weapons. They do nuclear power stations but any attack on them is going to have catastrophic reprocussions to the local populations.

    TBH, the US appears to be just trying to provoke Iran into doing something. I mean Iran hasn't even reacted when the US attacked the Iran embassey.


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 16,881 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    I doubt it has. It certainly has the ability to take out targets without ever putting troops on the ground but thats about it.

    With three divisions worth of airmobile forces, a raid isn't out of the question. It's an issue of air transport, not troops, and that capability hasn't changed since Iraq.
    I mean Iran hasn't even reacted when the US attacked the Iran embassey.

    You mean that unaccredited office up in Kirkuk?

    NTM


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,531 ✭✭✭jrey1981


    Rageh Omaar filed a great report from Tehran for the Sunday Times yesterday and there's a programme on BBC4 from there on Thursday.

    I wouldn't like to see Iran become another Iraq....or worse.

    Israel might be pushed into reacting as others have said. Perhaps the US is trying to provoke Israel to do its dirty work?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,115 ✭✭✭Takeshi_Kovacs


    I just wonder what Bush is capable of before he leaves office., is he going to clean up his act or leave one hell of a mess for the next prez. It just doesn't seem logical to start another war, and let somebody take over the reins in a few months later. Then again maybe this has happened before, i am not too versed in American history.

    This presidential candidate Barack Obama, has said he will take the US out of Iraq if he gets into power. He seems a lot more intelligent, and less trigger happy than Bush, so an invasion of Iran seems unlikely if he is president.

    If Iran is invaded but not occupied, and the main guys in government are taken out, i just wonder what way will the country align itself. Will the moderates come out and establish a stable environment, or will it decay into a similar chaos a la Iraq.
    Is Iran going to be wrecked and hundreds of billions of dollars of damage created, and the immeasurable cost of lives hurt/killed justified by the US in its paranoid search for security. I guess that is only something that psychos in government in both Washington and Tehran can answer.

    A bit old but still interesting read http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=WHI20050809&articleId=825
    It is a bit shuddering to think what will happen if the US/Israel does attack Iran. Iran are much more capable militarily than Iraq, and will defend their sovereignty against all aggressors, and even if Iran ends up being nuked god forbid, how can the rest of the world stand by and justify the vaporisation of hundreds of thousands of people.
    Lets hope sanity does prevail.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,472 ✭✭✭So Glad


    If America invade Iran, for ANY cooked up excuse, and everyone stands by and watches Sky News believing they are doing the right thing I will officially have lost all hope for society. We know for a fact, that the Bush administration lied about the Iraq evidence, because they said so, now the place is ****ed up and getting worse, they are creating tension all over the world with their infectious fear.

    Just one step closer to another world war, or a nuclear catastrophe.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,264 ✭✭✭✭Hobbes


    With three divisions worth of airmobile forces, a raid isn't out of the question.

    A raid on what exactly? As I said they have no nuclear weapons, they aren't even close to it. If the Nuclear power stations weren't protected before you can sure as hell bet they are now.

    Ignoring logistics of the operation I can't see how this could even possibly go ahead. Maybe by linking mooninites to Iran?

    If your talking about the so-called weapons being shipped to Iraq. Even the CIA have said that if the weapons are coming out of Iran it certainly isn't being funded by the Iranian government (to suggest so at this time is an absolute stretch. Like linking AQ to Saddam). Also the only evidence so far was western press being brought to room being told to remove all recording equipment and then have them paraded different weapons. No independent investigation at all. Based on Bush administration track record to date who would you believe?

    You mean that unaccredited office up in Kirkuk?

    No I mean the building in Irbil that both Iran and Iraq had declared was an Iranian embassy and had also even Kurdish backing. If it was unaccredited it was probably just the US saying so they could break international law again.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,727 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Having lightly skimmed through the thread I want to congratulate you all for not once taking a stab at America as a whole. We applude you :)

    And current events? **** it, I gave up months ago :p


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 171 ✭✭DilbertPartII


    America have reasons for their actions. Everything's based from intelligence sources and studies. Countries which go against the law should be punished.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,061 ✭✭✭✭Terry


    which law would that be?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,425 ✭✭✭digitally-yours


    Which law are we talking about ? International law or American law If America will attack Iran I am more then 100% sure Americans will have no safe heaven on the planet.

    As Tony said " The Truth is You cannot go on forever " though he said it in a completely different context.

    well I am sure Al qaeda are waiting for USA to make that mistake !
    and once America is in Iraq.

    Russians are also waiting for revenge and they are going to use Iran as a battle ground with USA same as USA used Afghanistan as a bettle ground against Russia !!

    I am from Asia and i dont see America winning in Iran not even 1% chance !


    America have reasons for their actions. Everything's based from intelligence sources and studies. Countries which go against the law should be punished.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,621 ✭✭✭GreenHell


    Without a doubt in my mind any invasion, raid or any aggression against iran will lead to a storm no one wants.

    I doubt the US will invade Iran, Iran is a handy scapegoat like it always has been.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,025 ✭✭✭slipss


    I can't see America invading Iran but I wouldn't be at all surprised if they did. I would be able to see them launching air strikes under the guise Iran arming themselves with WMDs except for the fact that America won't need to send a single aircraft if any evidence does present itself that Iran are close to having fully functioning nukes. Isreal will do that for them. (in American made jets using american made munitions flown by american trained pilots, of course.) Haven't Isreal already in the past launched air raids on Iranian targets they claimed were nuke factories?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,472 ✭✭✭So Glad


    If we have ever learned anything from the past, war is not the answer to anything.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,156 ✭✭✭DaBreno


    Iran FTW!!!!!11!!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,472 ✭✭✭So Glad


    All ur iranium enrichment plants are belong 2 us!!!!11!!!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,698 ✭✭✭InFront


    So Glad wrote:
    iranium

    :) .


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 47,782 CMod ✭✭✭✭Black Swan


    LundiMardi wrote:
    So what does the future hold? Does anyone think America will take action against Iran? Personally, nothing really surprises me anymore:p
    Naaaa, not since Bush's party lost ground in their Congressional elections held November last year. He is just chest thumping.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,379 ✭✭✭toiletduck


    slipss wrote:
    Haven't Isreal already in the past launched air raids on Iranian targets they claimed were nuke factories?

    No, Israel destroyed an Iraqi nuclear site in 1981. A move which was condemded even by the U.S., but I'm sure circa 1991 they were glad the Israelis had the balls to do it.



    An invasion of Iran? Only in the wet-dreams of the anti-war crowd. Seriously it won't happen. Nobody with an ounce of sense wants it.


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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,115 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tar.Aldarion


    He can't be stupid enough to invade Iran can he?
    Although, I've said similar sentences before.


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