Ireland injury update thread

Diamondmaker

Hey I figured this is gonna be a critical topic over the next few weeks and ti would be handy to have all the rumpours.fact and hear say in one place..

As everyone seems to know Darcy seems very likely to play Sun

BOD looking better but not as sure.

And.....

Even Horgo is apparently making a very very speedy recovery and is miraculously in the mix for Sun. If this does not happen we can be very confident of having him for Eng.

zAbbo

Stringer - hairline fracture on hand, may not make the starting XV (regardless)

zabbo

zabbo wrote:

Stringer - hairline fracture on hand, may not make the starting XV (regardless)

Delira.
Get Boss on the scene

besty

Stringer is definitely out.

davyjose

^^Source?

davyjose

Great news about Horgan. I think BOD should start if he's in anyway close to fitness. The first 40 minutes of the French game are the most Critical in the tournament - if we start well we'll finish well. Particularly if Horgan will be back for England - then it would be worth sacrificing BOD for that game rather than protecting him from the French.
There are possibly a million things wrong with that, and I'm sure ye'll all tell me, but a firing best XV (minus Shaggy of course) - at their best - in the first half against france is how we will beat them.

iwincosimcool

Diamondmaker wrote:

Even Horgo is apparently making a very very speedy recovery and is miraculously in the mix for Sun. If this does not happen we can be very confident of having him for Eng.

Were did you hear this? I couldnet find anything on the net. Hope to God he plays against the Englsh

Diamondmaker

From the depths of resources from the Leinster supporters network.
The info has always been early and accurate ive had.

eg. most recently.. Jennings and Leo coming home well before the papers printed it.

damnyanks

Diamondmaker = mike cheika

besty

I heard Stringer was definitely out on Sky Sports News but heard a report to the contrary on Newstalk last night

zAbbo

"Leinster wing Shane Horgan returns from a knee injury and is picked on the right wing in place of Andrew Trimble. O‘Sullivan has also left two places vacant in a squad of 25, at outside centre and at scrumhalf as he waits on the fitness of both Brian O’Driscoll and Peter Stringer. "

Shaggys back

terry mac

Hope this works out, coz I'm just worried at the thought of bringing Horgan into the centre. And Trimble doesn't really deserve to be dropped but what can you do.

davyjose

Trimble won't be dropped if Horgan plays Centre, or, obviously, if Trimble does. Horgan played at centre for Leinster while O'Driscll had his shoulder injury last season and was good I thought.

Heisenberg.

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Br7anx

Shane Horgan is back on the wing for the France game. Must say i wasn't fully comfortable with Trimble. It'll make ireland a more rounded side.

copacetic

sweet!!
http://today.reuters.co.uk/news/articlenews.aspx?type=rugbyNews&storyID=2007-02-07T134620Z_01_L07709693_RTRIDST_0_RUGBY-IRELAND-TEAM.XML&WTmodLoc=Rugby+Union-C1-Headline-2

Diamondmaker

Diamondmaker wrote:

Even Horgo is apparently making a very very speedy recovery and is miraculously in the mix for Sun. If this does not happen we can be very confident of having him for Eng.

:cool:

Diamondmaker

damnyanks wrote:

Diamondmaker = mike cheika

D'ya think Cheiks lives in Santry!:D

crosstownk

I hear rumours (unconfirmed) that BODs recovery is going to be 10 days? Anyone else heard similar?

funky penguin

7-10 from the day of injury, so as EOS said, its tight.

I still can't believe how quickly Horgan recovered. What a boost!

davyjose

crosstownk wrote:

I hear rumours (unconfirmed) that BODs recovery is going to be 10 days? Anyone else heard similar?

Play him - the biggest match of the tournament!

Chucky the tree

davyjose wrote:

Play him - the biggest match of the tournament!

and if he pulls up after 5 minutes? Gonna have to make horgan play a full game. Its not worth the risk.

terry mac

davyjose wrote:

Play him - the biggest match of the tournament!

It is if we lose!!! If we win the England match becomes the biggest match!!

davyjose

I said from the start that the two hardest games were Wales and France, and I stick to that. The jury is out on England, and I'm confident we can beat them. Having said that - your right Chuck. I just really really really think we need our best players playing for the France game. And I wish he wasn't injured.

nacho libre

France are our toughest opponents but England will be a stiff test too. I'm not overly confident of victory in either game. Considering what Walsh said i think he could have a major impact on the game as i expect it to be a very close game.
Hopefully Ireland to win by 3 points.

Chucky the tree

Having started the week odds on with the bookies to start the match, he is now odds on to not start the match.

I think its looking very doubtful he will make it.

Heisenberg.

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zAbbo

ROG was quoted as saying it's unlikely

(it's all a smokescreen anyway)

Chucky the tree

The Scientist wrote:

I disagree.
BOD has been irish captain for how long now.... I doubt very much that that man will miss leading his team onto croke park for one of the most eagerly anticipated games of the year!
He'll be there! watch this space.


/prepares plate with the above words on it.

thankfully he doesnt have a choice in the matter though.

damnyanks

When does the team have to be finalised?

besty

I'd nearly guarantee he will start the game

Chucky the tree

you lads can get 2.2 on him to start the game on betfair, fill your boots with it then.

Diamondmaker

The Scientist wrote:

I disagree.
BOD has been irish captain for how long now.... I doubt very much that that man will miss leading his team onto croke park for one of the most eagerly anticipated games of the year!
He'll be there! watch this space.


/prepares plate with the above words on it.

BOD will play unless his leg is removed !:D

shmaido

from bbc 12.37 today...

O'Driscoll and Stringer ruled out

Brian O'Driscoll will miss the historic match at Croke Park
Ireland captain Brian O'Driscoll and scrum-half Peter Stringer have been ruled out of Ireland's RBS Six Nations match against France at Croke Park.
Ulster's Isaac Boss will replace Stringer while Shane Horgan will switch from the right wing to O'Driscoll's position at centre.

Geordan Murphy, initially named as a replacement, takes the number 14 shirt.

Stringer was ruled out because of a fractured hand bone while O'Driscoll has a hamstring injury.


Interview: Ireland coach Eddie O'Sullivan

For New Zealand-born Boss it will be a first start in the championship.

His promotion to the starting 15 has handed Wasps scrum-half Eoin Reddan a place among the substitutes.

The Irish pack is unchanged from the 19-9 win over Wales.

"Brian was close to being fit but felt a tightening of the hamstring," said Ireland coach Eddie O'Sullivan.

"Emotionally, it was a difficult decision to make but an easy one from a practical point of view.

"Isaac Boss will bring a different sniping game to Stringer but, after his performances in the autumn, I have no worries about him."

Horgan made a surprise return to the team earlier in the week after a quicker-than-expected recovery from a knee injury.

It was thought winger Horgan would miss Ireland's first two Six Nations games after picking up the injury playing for Leinster in the Heineken Cup.

Horgan's return meant Ulster's Andrew Trimble was left out of the side.

O'Sullivan said he was confident Horgan had proved his fitness.

"He has trained well all week and has taken hits on the knee that was injured," said the Ireland coach.

606 DEBATE: Give your views on the Irish team to face France

Ireland: Dempsey, Murphy, Horgan, D'Arcy, Hickie, O'Gara, Boss; Horan, R Best, Hayes, O'Callaghan, O'Connell, S Easterby, D Wallace, Leamy.
Replacements: Flannery, S Best, N Best, M O'Driscoll, Reddan, P Wallace, Trimble.

...oh sh1t

Rattlehead_ie

Taken from breaking news today

Looks like stringer will be tested later today, and BOD will be done tomorrow, talk about last minute. I think at this point BOD will play even if it for 20mins and see how the injury feels. I would feel sickened for him if he didnt get to lead the team out.

davyjose

It's interesting that Murphy has been chosen ahead of Trimble on the Wing. It's very disappointing. I think BOD could have been the difference between a win and a loss.
What's Boss like defensively? We'll need support here.
Does anyone thing that had O'Driscoll been taken off when the injury occurred, he would be fit? And we still would have beaten Wales? I personally do

Diamondmaker

13:33 Friday February 9th 2007


Irish independent breaking news www.unison.ie


Brian O'Driscoll and Peter Stringer have both been ruled out of Sunday's Six Nations clash with France at Croke Park.

Stringer is unable to play due to a fractured bone in his hand that he picked up against Wales last weekend.

O'Driscoll, meanwhile, is ruled out thanks to the hamstring strain that saw him substituted in the latter stages of the game.

Their absence means Isaac Boss will come in a scrum-half, with Shane Horgan taking O'Driscoll's place in the centre and Geordan Murphy coming onto the right wing.

terry mac

Horgan in centre!! Good luck Eddie, bye bye Grand Slam. Get Trimble in there, you've been playing him on the wing coz you thought he was too good to leave out even if you had to play him out of position.

Now there's a vacancy in centre and instead of playing him in his ideal position your leaving him out and sticking Horgan in there out of position.

Horgan can get away with it for Leinster, but the last time he played there for Ireland he was awful.

Diamondmaker

Lads POC better step up to the level that is required!!
I have no doubt this will be the kick he needs to up his game to the level that was prior to AB tour.

Watch all of this year's RBS 6 Nations matches live on RTÉ Two and RTÉ.ie/sport. Listen to all of Ireland's matches live on RTÉ Radio 1 FM, MW and LW 252.

Captain Brian O'Driscoll and scrum-half Peter Stringer will play no part in Sunday's RBS 6 Nation's match at Croke Park.

At a press conference at Croke Park this afternoon, Irish coach Eddie O'Sullivan revealed that O'Driscoll has failed to recover from the hamstring injury that saw him leave the field early against Wales, while Stringer has been ruled out because of a fractured hand bone.

Ulster's Isaac Boss comes into the team for Stringer, while Shane Horgan will start in place of O'Driscoll at centre.

Geordan Murphy comes in on the right wing with both Andrew Trimble and Eoin Reddan on the bench.

O'Sullivan also confirmed that Denis Leamy came through training, so Jamie Heaslip is not considered for the replacements.

Paul O'Connell will assume the captaincy in O'Driscoll's absence.

Revised Ireland team to play France in the RBS 6 Nations at Croke Park on Sunday, 11 February:

G Dempsey (Leinster); G Murphy (Leicester), S Horgan (Leinster), G D'Arcy (Leinster), D Hickie (Leinster); R O'Gara (Munster), I Boss (Ulster); M Horan (Munster), R Best (Ulster), J Hayes (Munster), D O'Callaghan (Munster), P O'Connell (Munster), S Easterby (Llanelli Scarlets), D Wallace (Munster), D Leamy (Munster).

Replacements: J Flannery (Munster), S Best (Ulster), N Best (Ulster), M O'Driscoll (Munster), E Reddan (Wasps), P Wallace (Ulster), A Trimble (Ulster).

Diamondmaker

Yeah I thin Horgo does a job for Leimster but he is far superior on the wing and coming in field to help out than being in there trying to bash up the middle.
The only doubt here is about pputting trimble into the centre. As you say Horgo only gets away with at Leimster so whos to say trimble who also only plays there provioncially will be any better.
Personally Id rather gamble my 6N on Horgan than young Trimble.

iwincosimcool

On a positive note, If we get past the French with no injuries, we will be at full strength against the English. I still fancy us to edge out the French, weve beaten far better french teams than this

zAbbo

It's a loss, and I feel sorry for BOD, on the brighter side of things, Horgan to IC, and D'Arcy to OC with Murphy on the wing isn't exactly a weak back line.

France have suffered more serious injury setbacks with Traille, Pelous etc.

Sangre

Boss, O'Gara, D'arcy, Horgan, Murphy, Dempsey, Hickie.

Get a grip lads, this is still a very strong back-line! Trimble being left out was no doubt due to his lack of intl. centre experience and the importance of this game. Doesn't help he'd have to come up against the likes of Juazion (fritz is out isn't he?). Trimble hasn't been in the best form lately either.

il gatto

It could be alot worse. It's a pity, but we're still very strong on paper.
I expect Boss to put in a huge performance. I didn't think he was all that in the Autumn, but he's good enough and getting a chance like this, I feel he'll grab it.
O'Connell needs to toe the line on Sunday. He's been quietish of late. He's a great leader and I hope he'll show that against France. He'll have to be. He'll also have to make more tackles as Horgan is out of position and may need some extra protection at center. If O'Connell, Easterby and O'Callaghan put in some big hits, it'll take some pressure off Horgan, and really, we can't expect D'arcy to keep up that work rate indefinately, especially if there's a risk of that groin twinging again.

davyjose

Absolutely. I don't think many are aware that Horgan is a decent enough Centre, and that he's done well here for Leinster in the past. Between a straight pick between him and Trimble, I would always plump for experience, and proven ability - not to mention form.
But we lost O'Driscoll, our best player - of course we are going to suffer, regardless of who slots in for him.

It seems to me that Trimble has been dropped from Eddies plans. He's gone from 2nd choice Winger to 4th (behind Murphy now too) I thought it was just shaggy keeping him out, but now Murphy has been given the nod. It's time to make a name for yourself now Geordan.

il gatto

Yeah. A name not associated with that "thing" in Paris last year:D

patmac

I got this text message today:
Ireland could be without O'Driscoll and Stringer for the upcoming game against England. Two players most teams would struggle to replace. That said England will be without the machine guns and armoured cars from their last visit to Croke Park.:D

I still think we will win without them although I would rather see Flannery instead of Best.

Chucky the tree

patmac wrote:

I got this text message today:
Ireland could be without O'Driscoll and Stringer for the upcoming game against England. Two players most teams would struggle to replace. That said England will be without the machine guns and armoured cars from their last visit to Croke Park.:D

That was in a letter to the editor section of the english times i think.


This is why EOS has to learn to use substitutions. Keeping a player with a hamstring injury on the pitch for an extra 10 minutes is a joke.

iwincosimcool

It's bad , but on current form Id prefer to lose O'driscoll than D'arcy

Sangre

Tbh, I'm more annoyed at the fact BOD doesn't get to lead Ireland out for the first time ever in Croker.

iwincosimcool

Munster won the Heineken Cup against Toulouse withoutr O'driscoll. Hopefully Ireland can do the same against France on Sunday, I'm nervous already

I wish keith wood and Simon Geoghegan were playing in their prime