Manners?

aodea

just something i am starting to notice more and more in dublin is the lack of manners in card rooms.

in one tourni alone last night i saw a guy take a good 30 seconds to turn over a hand after his oppenent turned over theres and it was worse than there hand. When ur ahead is it necessary to have a speech before reveling your better hand.

then i saw a guy jump up in the air and scream yes i got ya in another hand. Is this really necessary rubbing it in somebodys face that you got the better of them i think they know already.

earlier in the tournment a player moved all in on another player the other player thought for awhile before calling and revelaing the worse hand. The player with the best hand started laughing in the other players face. so not only was the player getting knocked out but humilated as well.

this all happened in the 20fo in the jackpot a tourni mostly for beginers or people who aint to loaded this behavouir is really not necessary. its not doing anything good for the game.

Im not perfect might show one too many bluffs in a hope to get action later but the previous inncedints are a joke. So point is should penalties be enforced for this behavouir or is it just sadly part and parcel of the game?

Lafortezza

Blame TV poker. People watch the WSOP and other stuff and see all this screaming and shouting and other bs and think that this is the way to conduct themselves at a poker table.
Very rare that you'd see anyone over the age of maybe 35 carry on this way in Dublin cardrooms.

Goodluck2me

that game is about learning the game in more way than one. one of the fundamental things the tv doesnt show is how easily manners are carried and how important they are to have to your name. you will lose respect for a player/person no quicker than whne they slowroll or act the bollix after winning a hand, that said though if its amongst friends a la the ross and shoutman incident then its ok in isolation.

Marq

move up levels.

mdwexford

its part and parcel for people who dont have much live game experience i suppose, if you are experienced and still behave like that you're a scumbag imo

LuckyLloyd

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Goodluck2me

LuckyLloyd wrote:

This is something that I am struggling to improve my game - my demeanour at the table after I play a hand well is brutal to be honest. It is the same when I get sucked out on (chair kicking et al).

its oh so important though Lloyd. also for what its worth its not quite as bad with anto as you know him and its noramlly well natured but with strangers its unacceptable as it stops people coming back.

phantom_lord

I only ever slow rolled someone once, and that was by mistake...sorry lloyd...

DeVore

Players who allow such raw and uncontrolled emotion to take control show that their tilt-control is surface-only at best. The reason the better players dont do this (and witness that the players who you could name as well mannered players are also winning players) is not only because they have class and manners but also because its simply awful for your ability to think logically. Adrenalin is great for muscles and bad for neurons.
Sometimes the pressure can get to all of us, I've done it too but the point is to realise its bad ettiquette, bad manners and bad for your game imho.


Aside: At the WSOP Padraig and John Duthie were sitting at adjacent tables. A big american lad sucked out on a third table and started loudly cheering and hooting and hollerin'. John Duthie chirped up "Oh, did you win?" the wit of which was completely lost on the bloke.

He turned in John's direction and started to chant "North Carolina, North Carolina baby!! whoooo" to everyone's muted disgust. As things settled down Padraig piped up loudly, "Yes, very good....... We're *never* going there."

Dont tolerate it, mock it. You'll find it ends very quickly then.

DeV.

ditpoker

i dislike it when someone very openly and very publicly criticises someones play, after they have devestated their stack. for example tag's blow up in early stages of the event, carl losing a big chip stack with KK, anto you were easily the most vocal person explaining to them how they did x and y and z wrong and how you would do it better, and this is DURING the tournament, moments after tag is knocked out and just as carl has been near felted and you're berating his play.

Goodluck2me

ditpoker wrote:

i dislike it when someone very openly and very publicly criticises someones play, after they have devestated their stack. for example tag's blow up in early stages of the event, carl losing a big chip stack with KK, anto you were easily the most vocal person explaining to them how they did x and y and z wrong and how you would do it better, and this is DURING the tournament, moments after tag is knocked out and just as carl has been near felted and you're berating his play.

i agree with this too. i suppose there is two ways of looking at it like above or ... if they insist on telling bad beat stories..etc but if they have kept their mouth quiet and said nothing then i thinki ts horrible manner to kick someone when their down.

aodea

ditpoker wrote:

i dislike it when someone very openly and very publicly criticises someones play, after they have devestated their stack. for example tag's blow up in early stages of the event, carl losing a big chip stack with KK, anto you were easily the most vocal person explaining to them how they did x and y and z wrong and how you would do it better, and this is DURING the tournament, moments after tag is knocked out and just as carl has been near felted and you're berating his play.

i did not say i was perfect with carl and tag i felt i was not critising and would not have said a thing only i was discussing the hands with both players. I was not saying i play a hand better just saying how i might have played a hand in particular the karl hand were karl discussed the hand with nearly every player in the room. I did not mean any offence to karl and tag and i dont think they took any by it!!!! i discuss hands often especially amongst people i know i do not feel i was berating karl or tags play. And saying tag had a blow up is hardly an offense he knows he does it more than anyone.

thebigmc

aodea wrote:

i saw a guy take a good 30 seconds to turn over a hand after his oppenent turned over theres and it was worse than there hand. When ur ahead is it necessary to have a speech before reveling your better hand.

Yes I agree this was very poor manners and not the first time in the game this player acted poorly.

aodea wrote:

then i saw a guy jump up in the air and scream yes i got ya in another hand. Is this really necessary rubbing it in somebodys face that you got the better of them i think they know already.

I think Lloyd has explained himself for this, you're mates and immediatly after he said you know each others play too well. I don't think he would have done this against another player who he didn't know. It was unlucky for you that he woke up with Aces as your play was quite good I thought.

aodea wrote:

earlier in the tournment a player moved all in on another player the other player thought for awhile before calling and revelaing the worse hand. The player with the best hand started laughing in the other players face. so not only was the player getting knocked out but humilated as well.

I didn't see this but no doubt its very bad. As Goodluck2me said with strangers its unacceptable as it stops people coming back. No body likes getting knocked out, but being laughed at for making a poor call is just shocking manners.

DeadParrot

aodea wrote:

just something i am starting to notice more and more in dublin is the lack of manners in card rooms.

in one tourni alone last night i saw a guy take a good 30 seconds to turn over a hand after his oppenent turned over theres and it was worse than there hand. When ur ahead is it necessary to have a speech before reveling your better hand.

then i saw a guy jump up in the air and scream yes i got ya in another hand. Is this really necessary rubbing it in somebodys face that you got the better of them i think they know already.

earlier in the tournment a player moved all in on another player the other player thought for awhile before calling and revelaing the worse hand. The player with the best hand started laughing in the other players face. so not only was the player getting knocked out but humilated as well.

this all happened in the 20fo in the jackpot a tourni mostly for beginers or people who aint to loaded this behavouir is really not necessary. its not doing anything good for the game.

Im not perfect might show one too many bluffs in a hope to get action later but the previous inncedints are a joke. So point is should penalties be enforced for this behavouir or is it just sadly part and parcel of the game?

There was an awful amount of that at the students game.
I blame nintendo

shoutman

Bloody MTV generation!

That is why I dont play the twenty freezeout far too many eejits thinking they are the bees knickers!

But yes the one thing that absolutely disgusts me is when someone having just taken a large proportion of someone elses stack then makes it their mission in life to discuss with the rest of the table how poorly the person who lost a lot of chips played that hand.... not only does it make the poor unfortunate blush but it also makes him more determined to improve his game which is never a good thing!

boba_fett3099

aodea wrote:

i did not say i was perfect with carl and tag i felt i was not critising and would not have said a thing only i was discussing the hands with both players. I was not saying i play a hand better just saying how i might have played a hand in particular the karl hand were karl discussed the hand with nearly every player in the room. I did not mean any offence to karl and tag and i dont think they took any by it!!!! i discuss hands often especially amongst people i know i do not feel i was berating karl or tags play. And saying tag had a blow up is hardly an offense he knows he does it more than anyone.

I have to agree with anto here that i took absolutely no offence to what he was saying about the KK hand. I thought we were having a good discussion on how differently we would have played it. I dont think he was berating my play but on the other hand i do think that the way we talked about the tag blow up may have been offensive even if he is our mate. I think me and anto are guilty of berating his play in this instance and im pretty sure he felt bad enough about it already without the two of us talking about it.

a147pro

Mp3

AKQJ10

Tag finished ahead of most in the nspc, so tag keep shipping it, worst you can be is behind!:D

Goodluck2me

NSPC?? twas a crapshoot anyway!

DeadParrot

AKQJ10 wrote:

Tag finished ahead of most in the nspc, so tag keep shipping it, worst you can be is behind!:D

ship it, shipping it. I hate those phrases. I swear to fcuk, the next person to say it to me again or 'holla', I'll slap the jaws off their pimply 2+2 reading mugs.

But like the Murphy's I'm not bitter :cool:

nicnicnic

I'm usually dont get emotional and feel a steady disposition at the table is the proper way to behave but I remember one occasion IPC2006 with about 60 players left i had raised pre with Ak and put in a pot sized bet on a king high flop with one diamond. the turn brought another diamond and I shipped in the rest of my chips (about 1.5 times the tournament average). I was 100% sure i was ahead

now the guy in the hand called me with the 10d7d he had called my flop bet for runner runner and now if a diamond hits he has called 80% of his chips on a ten high flush draw. I hadn't done this before or since but the sheer relief of winning the hand i gave a few yelps and a bit of fist gesturing al la tiger. I then proceeded to give the guy grief over his play basically telling him "how horrific a player he was".

cooker3

goodluck2me wrote:

NSPC?? twas a crapshoot anyway!

Without doubt, most of the good players went out early on!

gilmour

DeadParrot wrote:

ship it, shipping it. I hate those phrases. I swear to fcuk, the next person to say it to me again or 'holla', I'll slap the jaws off their pimply 2+2 reading mugs.

i wholeheartedly agree with you

phantom_lord

lol, I've never heard anyone say that live.

Goodluck2me

ship it!!!!

mdwexford

phantom_lord wrote:

lol, I've never heard anyone say that live.

i heard it a lot in Vegas.

this big black guy in Venetian every time he won a pot stood up and roared "ship it" at the top of his voice, hilarious but pretty bad on the people he was beating.

Marq

British students are big into using "ship it" at the table.
Had some of them over in the fitz last weekend and every thirty quid pot they won was celebrated with some pathetic comment.
Tossers.

ionapaul

Marq wrote:

British students are big into using "ship it" at the table.
Had some of them over in the fitz last weekend and every thirty quid pot they won was celebrated with some pathetic comment.
Tossers.

Come down to Sydney - you get to hear 'PASS DA SUGA!!!!!" screamed out at the cash tables a few times each day.

Pass the barf bag, more like....

NickyOD

Americans are far and away the worst losers ANd the worst winners at the poker table. This never ceased to amaze mewhile I was in Vegas. I played with one guy who once had part of his ear bitten off in poker game. He called me every name under sun because I 3 bet a flop with the nut low and an up and down straight draw Omaha H/L. He stayed in with the nut low and we ended up quartering. He berated the English for over an hour before I told him I wasn't English, then for some reason he moved on to berating Greek people. I didn't realise I looked Greek!!

The number of Americans who really got out of line in Vegas with all sorts of abuse was pretty shocking. A lot of racism, and quite a few screaming matches, none of which I've ever seen the likes of in this country. Thank christ I don't play there all year round.

ROCKMAN

Like i said in a previous similar thread i believe that this use of bad manners and ethics in card rooms is a side effect of on line poker where players can and will often belittle and abuse other players from the safety of their laptop.

58o

ionapaul wrote:

Come down to Sydney - you get to hear 'PASS DA SUGA!!!!!" screamed out at the cash tables a few times each day.

Pass the barf bag, more like....

Yaeh i HATE that phrase....as used by Joe Hachem in the WSOP. And the guy is always lauded as some kind of Genleman ambassador for the game

Rnger

how boring poker would be if everyone was just listening to ipod's the whole time

gilmour

58o wrote:

Yaeh i HATE that phrase....as used by Joe Hachem in the WSOP. And the guy is always lauded as some kind of Genleman ambassador for the game

even though i like Joe, when i rewatch that i still secretly hope the board pairs as he didnt even realise what Andy had before he said it

ArmaniJeanss

ROCKMAN wrote:

Like i said in a previous similar thread i believe that this use of bad manners and ethics in card rooms is a side effect of on line poker where players can and will often belittle and abuse other players from the safety of their laptop.

I sort of agree with this, online teaches people bad manners.

Having said that I used to play snooker/pool/darts at a decent amateur level back in the late 80s/early 90s and it was incredible the amount of people out there who are just plain mad winners / losers.

I beat a guy in Ricardos of Wexford St pool competition once, he wouldn't shake hands which was silly but I thought no more of it. I turned my back on him and the next thing I know is a cueball whistles past my ear :eek:

The truth is that some people are just asshloes and gambling/drink brings out the worst in them.

I think its inevitable that there'll be a major incident in the next 12 months, some scumbag will lose a lot and come back with a gun.

I'm probably being melodramatically drunk though

gilmour

im actually shocked there wasnt violence in the Rio last summer with all the shenanigans that went on. Bound to be a row this year, because i cant see many taking that kind of **** again

LuckyLloyd

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bops

LuckyLloyd wrote:

...My new policy is that if you don't like me slamming the table and shouting "COME ON" when I get it in ahead and dodge bulletts on the board to win a hand you can piss off.

what a piece of sh*t - assmuppetdiktard grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

i was slowrolled by an 80yr old granny last week - i found it funny only beacuse i knew she had me beat by the big smug slowrolling head on her...if she was 50 yrs younger and male i wudda fked her out the window

i have a tendency to get sucked out in big live tourneys (everyfkingtime), the last lucky fk was knobjockey carlos citrone in the ipt 750 - he looked like such a tosser and acted like one too - flipper had him tilting his box off and i got him to put his stack in on a flush draw...which of course he hit and crippled me...

...anyways the point being i am always courtious and quiet when in these situations and i always seem to loose so im now officially gonna take a leaf out of your book and shout lots of sh*t at the dealer and the muppet who is about to suck out - maybe this will work? it's worth a shot anyways!!

"COME ON ONE TIME YOU STUPID MOFUKKA PIECE OF SH*T"

(will i get a penalty?? lol Fk who gives a toss if it works!!)

smurph

LuckyLloyd wrote:

Emporium Deepstack game last Saturday. Blinds 300 / 600 / 25 ante. Playing 7 handed. I only have 13,000 chips and find JJ in the cutoff. The Chief (monster tank) limps in before me (any two cards) and I make it 2600 to play. Button is some youngish fellow I have never seen before and has just been moved to the table. He deliberates before moving in for 6100. folded back around to me, so I make the no - brainer call. I am counting out the rest of the bet and clearly declare "I have a pair of Jacks". I put out the chips and expose my cards.

Maybe a minute has passed since I called and this dude hasn't said a word or shown his cards. He waits a few seconds, frowns, turns up an Ace; waits another 10 - 15 seconds and turns over another Ace. With a stupid, smug grin to go with it. I throw a wobbler - getting particularly annoyed when he asks me "what difference does it make?". Cnut.

The hand was an auto hand, so losing it wouldn't have irritated me atall. I have to raise with my Jacks (4 - 5 times after a limper infront); he has to push shortstacked - it is essentially a min - raise back to me so I have to call. But the manner in which he declared his hand and the smart fcuk you way in which he did really made my blood boil. When he was taking so long to turn over I thought I might be ahead, and was sure he had an AK / AQ type holding when he turned over the first Ace. Twice in a week I have been fcuked over like this - Tadgh did it to me in the Jackpot last Thursday but the poker Gods delivered a just and vengeful river Queen to strike his ass down. They were obviously busy on Saturday night.

My new policy is that if you don't like me slamming the table and shouting "COME ON" when I get it in ahead and dodge bulletts on the board to win a hand you can piss off.

I witnessed it Lloyd and it was bad, but it's the kind of thing you have to take on the chin. You explained to him why what he did was so bad which was right. There are slow rolling sh*ts out there and believe me I want to kill them myself, but don't go down to their level..... your better than that.

I had a bad bad session at the SE Cash game on Saturday night. financially it was a hit, but more over my brain was melted by the end of it. You would now there was a full moon out there. Eddie the Eagle was on my right, looking very tanned after a brillant holiday and connecting with cards all night.

This hand happened which cost me €250, Blinds 1 2 blind raise to 5, around to Eddie the Eagle who makes it 25, 3 callers, including Myself (pocket 9s, 9h), Flop comes down Kd9d5d, utg makes it 75, Eddie calls and I call, Turn is 2s, UTG goes all in for 150 is eddie calls and I call,
UTG has 10dJd for flush
Eddie has KsKh for set of kings:eek:
Moi has 9h9S for set of Nines:eek: :eek:
I was praying for the board to pair little realising I was drawing to 1 out LMAO. It was one of those nights


"Bad Beat" Joe on my left, and that was where the main problem was. If he won a pot he discussed afterwards how he could've got more money outta the person, why he played the hand etc., etc., Then when he got beaten he berated the player for playing the hands etc., That's apparently the norm with Joe, then this hand happened, Blinds ar 1 2 Joe makes if 5 on the blind, called in a good few places, around to a rock (this guy never never budged all night raises to 55) folded to Joe who calls. Flop comes 2 4 6 Rainbow, Joe checks, and guy goes all in for €150 odd, joe calls, Turn is 5 river is 5, Joe flicks over 56offsuit for house and guy turns over pocket Aces. The guy taps the table and says nothing to joe, who then tries to explain why he stayed for €55 and 150 on the flop etc., etc., I had to go home, because I could feel a tantrum coming on and believe me when I lose my temper im vicous.

ianmc38

Marq wrote:

British students are big into using "ship it" at the table.
Had some of them over in the fitz last weekend and every thirty quid pot they won was celebrated with some pathetic comment.

Has Reggie got a new catchphrase?

ianmc38

smurph wrote:

"Bad Beat" Joe on my left, and that was where the main problem was. If he won a pot he discussed afterwards how he could've got more money outta the person, why he played the hand etc., etc., Then when he got beaten he berated the player for playing the hands etc., That's apparently the norm with Joe, then this hand happened, Blinds ar 1 2 Joe makes if 5 on the blind, called in a good few places, around to a rock (this guy never never budged all night raises to 55) folded to Joe who calls. Flop comes 2 4 6 Rainbow, Joe checks, and guy goes all in for €150 odd, joe calls, Turn is 5 river is 5, Joe flicks over 56offsuit for house and guy turns over pocket Aces. The guy taps the table and says nothing to joe, who then tries to explain why he stayed for €55 and 150 on the flop etc., etc., I had to go home, because I could feel a tantrum coming on and believe me when I lose my temper im vicous.

For the last 3 months i've given him advanced warning that I don't want o hear any of his stories while I'm at the table. He cracks me up sometimes but 99% of the time it's painful having to deal with him.

On one of our 1st nights in Vegas myself and Flushdraw were playing PLO. There was one older American gentleman sitting on my right who was the worst loser I'd ever encountered. Flushdraw was luckboxing his way to tops et on every single flop, outflopping aces with KKxx. The more he won, the more the old guy was steaming. He kept muttering "son of a b*tch" under his breath. His griping got progressively worse as he went further into the hole. After he said SOB for the umpteenth time I couldnt hold it in any longer and went into convulsions laughing. I dont think he appreciated the humour.

Trippie

I was playing the 20 quid jackpot a while ago and a guy went all in on a jack high board,i call with a J and he turns over queens and i muck my hand. Now the guy(not a student) to my left who was not in the hand goes i wanna see what you had. I told him that my cards were mucked so there was no way of seeing what they were as the dealer had started to shuffle. He then statrs shouting at me and starts shouting over to sarah saying he wants a ruling. He says tht he wants me to tell him what i had, at which point i started to laugh as i try to explain to him that there is no way for the td to make me tell the truth and then he goes off the rails trying to rip the piss out of me at every chance so when i have an answer to everything he throws at me he got even more annoyed. i busted out a few minutes later so i didnt get to stay beside him

Now i know how i do come across at the table and that some people find my attitude and demeanor irritating sometimes but this seemed completly pointless to start an arguement over cards that couldnt be identified

El Stuntman

phantom_lord wrote:

lol, I've never heard anyone say that live.

I remember repeatedly hearing Dave Masters say 'ship that sherbert' to the Chief as he demolished his chipstack in the first SE deepstack, it was most enjoyable for all concerned!

except the Chief of course

Solksjaer

Why is it called slowrolling? A stupid name as it doesn't describe exactly what it is. Some idiots might even think it's cool....eh I really slowrolled this poker dude last night, everyone was soo amused they were forgot to laugh ahuh ahuh ahuh...

So perhaps a competition with 'dinner with Devore' :eek: as a prize (for example) for whoever can give it the best descriptive name, and get rid of 'slowrolling' as a euphemism for this tomdickery..


I've got a few ideas myself but too blue for here..So wags -> INVENT ONE!


As for lloyds slamming the table and screaming like Ned Flanders (oops sorry I meant some other Ned who is more macho) when about to be dogged , I think we should just shoot him...

careca

2/4 holdem online yesterday. twat sits down with about 40 dollars and has about 30 left. I raise to 12 with AK, he calls (lol). Flop KQx. He checks I bet 20 odd to put him all in. He thinks for ages, nearly times out and calls with QQ. I said 'nice slowroll, really showed your class there'. He says 'I was just wondering if you had KK'. He was so fcuking stupid that he just might have been telling the truth, but I will do the same back if I ever get the chance (to him) and I couldn't give a fcuk if it makes me a worse person.

phantom_lord

careca wrote:

2/4 holdem online yesterday. twat sits down with about 40 dollars and has about 30 left. I raise to 12 with AK, he calls (lol). Flop KQx. He checks I bet 20 odd to put him all in. He thinks for ages, nearly times out and calls with QQ. I said 'nice slowroll, really showed your class there'. He says 'I was just wondering if you had KK'. He was so fcuking stupid that he just might have been telling the truth, but I will do the same back if I ever get the chance (to him) and I couldn't give a fcuk if it makes me a worse person.

I was on the button with aa, and re raised a guy pf, flop comes 992, he bets I shove over the top, he runs the clock down, types in the chat "I think you have me beat", and calls with 910 at the last second. One of the few times I've blown up in the chat and abused someone mercilessly, he said he thought I might have 22. bah.then he left before I got a chance to bust him, pr!ck.

Macspower

Slowrollers.......TO BE SHOT AT DAWN!!!

Any of you at my table when I got this one. Short version.
me A9 flop 669. turn 9. me and one other guy get all our money in. I say split?
and immediately turn over my cards. He says nothing. taps the table and turns over a 6. I scream at the dealer NO 6 NO 6. no 6 comes. I sigh relief and sit back down. He then turns over the other 6.....

Heard him asking people if I was a bad looser and Bad Beat Joe was explaining to him why I was so upset.............

mac.

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kebabfest

Slow rolling hasnt happened to me too much at the table. Probably due to the fact I generally have a sawn off shotgun in my hand at the table and I known to have a nervous disposition.
Killed somebody last week by accident when I turned my head to find out what level we were at.
The good news is that if you do kill somebody at the table the chips are evenly disrupted to all off the other players unlike that rule which somebody hasnt reappared after a break and they take them all back.
However I still havent found a casino to pay for the dry cleaning bill.

So nobody here thinks slow-rolling is a legitimate tactic to put another player on tilt ?

cooker3

Trippie wrote:

I was playing the 20 quid jackpot a while ago and a guy went all in on a jack high board,i call with a J and he turns over queens and i muck my hand. Now the guy(not a student) to my left who was not in the hand goes i wanna see what you had. I told him that my cards were mucked so there was no way of seeing what they were as the dealer had started to shuffle. He then statrs shouting at me and starts shouting over to sarah saying he wants a ruling. He says tht he wants me to tell him what i had, at which point i started to laugh as i try to explain to him that there is no way for the td to make me tell the truth and then he goes off the rails trying to rip the piss out of me at every chance so when i have an answer to everything he throws at me he got even more annoyed. i busted out a few minutes later so i didnt get to stay beside him

Now i know how i do come across at the table and that some people find my attitude and demeanor irritating sometimes but this seemed completly pointless to start an arguement over cards that couldnt be identified

Ah yes, I recall this. While your man was bit over the top. You did know well what you were doing so in 1 way I don't blame him, if I was dealing then your cards certainly wouldn't have been mucked

TheDoc

In every sport this stuff goes on...... and if this stuff bothers you then your in the wrong game.

Like i dont mind someone celebrating fair enough its a game and its about winning and it does involve winning money, talking trash doesnt bother me, some people use it to get information some use it cause they are assholes.

pfft i dont know sounds alot of gay to me, just beat em and shut them up...

also sounds like to me this is young age student poker your talking bout, big events officials are very watchful of behaviour that is deemed out of order.....celebrating a victory is not..

eggie

SE cash game on thursday, i check big blind with Q5o. Flop Q 7 8r, i bet out and get one caller (loosey goosey young guy who loves any pair). Turn - brick, i bet he calls, river is a 5, i bet 60, guy takes ages and raises to 200 (30 behind) so i semi-gamble and put him in. He literally takes so long to call the extra 30 i have to call clock on him.

He then calls and i flip 2 pair, he takes about 45 secs- 1 min to turn over his 96.

Then he declares "Thanks very much for that, I needed it". lol