J-DAY 2007 free the weed

ScumLord

After Hours seems to have a high concentration of cannabis users so I thought you'd all like to know the J-day march for drug law reform in Ireland is being orginised now, if you'd like to get involved toter on over to <snip>

Tell all your freinds..

manonthemoon

ScumLord wrote:

After Hours seems to have a high concentration of cannabis users so I thought you'd all like to know the J-day march for drug law reform in Ireland is being orginised now, if you'd like to get involved toter on over to <snip>

Tell all your freinds..

F****** Hippies :rolleyes:

aidan_walsh

After Hours seems to have a high concentration of cannabis users

Explains a lot of the posts you see, I suppose.

ScumLord

manonthemoon wrote:

F****** Hippies :rolleyes:

Yes. Tell them especially.

DarkJager

I prefer my cannabis to be illegal....makes it more fun to smoke...

User45701

it does not work the whole idea of arranging large amounts of people to do something together does not work i have been trying since i was in second class for varies things fear of reprisal seems to control a large amount of people. Allot of smokers will just sit at home on smoke.

Rb

I've heard about this before, though its never really interested me as I can't see it working. The "march" is basically sitting in bushy park and getting stoned, and then telling the Gardaí to f*ck off, isn't it?
Now, I'm all for the legalisation of the drug, but I can't really see how something like this event is meant to help the matter.

nesf

Don't pimp sites on here or you'll earn a long ban from the forum. You have to pay for advertising around here you know.

nesf

After discussing it with Scumlord it was accidental. Thread re-opened. Enjoy mocking/supporting the march (or smoke-in depending on your perspective).

User45701

ye i was actually going to post something in feedback
i always thought advertising was trying to sell stuff or put links to other forums but sites like that are ok.
So is my sig i am advertising mass effect but you dont get banned for it or threads locked for it so i couldnt understand why you had locked this topic if it was not proffit advertising

Daelus

I've heard about this before, though its never really interested me as I can't see it working. The "march" is basically sitting in bushy park and getting stoned, and then telling the Gardaí to f*ck off, isn't it?
Now, I'm all for the legalisation of the drug, but I can't really see how something like this event is meant to help the matter.

I read a while ago that they were planning on an actual march this year, as opposed to last year's "sit around". Not sure if this is still true, though.

DonkeyStyle \o/

uhhh, wait... what?

nesf

User45701 wrote:

ye i was actually going to post something in feedback
i always thought advertising was trying to sell stuff or put links to other forums but sites like that are ok.
So is my sig i am advertising mass effect but you dont get banned for it or threads locked for it so i couldnt understand why you had locked this topic if it was not proffit advertising

If you want to discuss it PM me, otherwise don't comment on moderator decisions on-thread. It just pointlessly clutters the place up.

ScumLord

No it was fair enough, it was another forum after all. Tis in the past now anyway..

It's true that a march won't change the world but it will bring up awareness and by the time the march comes around (may) there are plans to have a well thought out press realise and manifesto ready so we're prepared for any press interest.

I read a while ago that they were planning on an actual march this year, as opposed to last year's "sit around". Not sure if this is still true, though.

It's true, you need all kinds of permits to have a sit in at the park, so it will be a march type afare.

Steyr

Bunch of slack jawed hippies here, smoke something legal with class, smoke a Cigar, and a proper sized one like i do, pussies.

Drugs..good for nothin but misery to others.

Steyr

ScumLord wrote:

It's true that a march won't change the world but it will bring up awareness and we're prepared for any press interest.

Oh you will attract interest alright, from An Garda Siochana, ah well you deserve it, a night in the cells might shape you twats up.

ScumLord

Might do alright, theres only one way to find out.

Spastafarian

I smoked dope for years (hence the name) before I realised it was turning me into an idiot.

In fairness there are better things to march about.

greenkittie

Spastafarian wrote:

I smoked dope for years (hence the name) before I realised it was turning me into an idiot.

In fairness there are better things to march about.

Ha ha well said

RedPlanet

Spastafarian wrote:

I smoked dope for years (hence the name) before I realised it was turning me into an idiot.

In fairness there are better things to march about.

Ya, like what point is there trying to get people to be proactive and engage the system?

Surely it's better to just take all those non-violent "criminals" that prefer to sit at home and smoke spliffs and instead lock them up in overcrowded cells on taxpayer's money. :rolleyes:

idiots!

Spastafarian

RedPlanet wrote:

Ya, like what point is there trying to get people to be proactive and engage the system?

Surely it's better to just take all those non-violent "criminals" that prefer to sit at home and smoke spliffs and instead lock them up in overcrowded cells on taxpayer's money. :rolleyes:

idiots!

People don't get arrested while sitting at home smoking a spliff. It's not stoners that get put in prison, it's dealers. And I can assure you most of them are not "non-violent" and are criminals.

User45701

Steyr wrote:

Drugs..good for nothin but misery to others.

Ive seen drugs make both the uer happy and the observers because they can laugh at the person on drugs, besides mushies - free and comically amusing for both the user and those watching.

ScumLord

It's not stoners that get put in prison, it's dealers.

If only that where true. The Garda don't have to prove your a dealer you just have to have over a certain amount or even just two pieces of hash to be considered a dealer.

Not all dealers are scumbags either, unfortunitly it's more likely to be the nice dealers that get caught because people are not afraid to squeel on them but wouldn't dare squeel on the guy down the raod that would set your grannies house on fire.

humanji

RedPlanet wrote:

Ya, like what point is there trying to get people to be proactive and engage the system?

Surely it's better to just take all those non-violent "criminals" that prefer to sit at home and smoke spliffs and instead lock them up in overcrowded cells on taxpayer's money. :rolleyes:

idiots!

Did you miss the last line of his post completely?

Not all dealers are scumbags either, unfortunitly it's more likely to be the nice dealers that get caught because people are not afraid to squeel on them but wouldn't dare squeel on the guy down the raod that would set your grannies house on fire.

But they're still dealers that are being caught. It's better than nothing.

Spastafarian

ScumLord wrote:

If only that where true. The Garda don't have to prove your a dealer you just have to have over a certain amount or even just two pieces of hash to be considered a dealer.

Not all dealers are scumbags either, unfortunitly it's more likely to be the nice dealers that get caught because people are not afraid to squeel on them but wouldn't dare squeel on the guy down the raod that would set your grannies house on fire.

I find it hard to believe that our prisons are full of 'nice' dealers.

dr.bollocko

"What are we talking about again?
Spongebob?
Oh yeah, J-day.
I like Jpegs. But gifs are cooler."

"Jif? Its called cif now man."

"Oh yeah. Cif. The new name for Jpeg.
Spongebob is on!"

"Has anyone got any skins?
Where's the rolling mat?
Uurgh who stole my tobacco?"

"Oh look, spongebob is on."

"Anyone wanna play xbox?
Oh yeah... Spongebob is on."

"U know VJ day wouldnt have even come around if the US army didnt drop those, uhh, a-bombs on Nagashima man. Hirosaki? They were already looking at the next war man. Thats where the lyrics to Led Zeppelin's stairway to heaven come from man. Think about it. Its like, Pearl harbour man, and iwo jima man.
Oh yeah... Spongebob is on."
"AHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Anyone got any Skins?"

event

so what is the point of this wee march?

Steyr

RedPlanet wrote:

Surely it's better to just take all those non-violent "criminals" that prefer to sit at home and smoke spliffs and instead lock them up in overcrowded cells on taxpayer's money.

Your the idiot when you buy drugs your funding the drug dealers, who of course are scum who are doing other stuff like shootings etc just look at dublin your the idiots fuelling the stuff going on.

Rb

Steyr wrote:

Your the idiot

Love it.

dr.bollocko

"Yeah Get a brain Morans!!!!!!"

cornbb

Being a dope smoker does not necessarily equate to being an idiot. Try reading a Howard Marks book, the guy has smoked dope every day for 20 years, he's a hell of an insightful and witty bastard. The danger here is that smoking too much dope makes it ok to be bored, hence a lot of stoners never get anything productive or creative done.

Steyr wrote:

Your the idiot when you buy drugs your funding the drug dealers

Legalise it and this problem disappears. DURRRR!

RedPlanet

Steyr wrote:

Your the idiot when you buy drugs your funding the drug dealers, who of course are scum who are doing other stuff like shootings etc just look at dublin your the idiots fuelling the stuff going on.

Do you know why there are drug dealers Steyr?
It's because people like drugs.
The reason why drugs and dealing are associated with criminal gangs and violence is a direct result of Prohibition.
Take for example Al Capone, without Prohibition he's a nobody.
You want rid of the drug dealers?
Legalize Dope Stoopid.

DeadParrot

Steyr wrote:

Your the idiot

brilliant

dr.bollocko

Randy: I can't get stoned, Ricky.
Ricky: What do you mean? It's ****ty work. Everybody does itt, all right? Carpenters, electricians, dishwashers, floor cleaners, lawyers, doctors, ****in' politicians, CBC employees, principals, people who paint the lines on the ****in' roads, get stoned, it'll be fun, get to work! Oh, and this is the most important, go down to the ****-Mart. I need a bag of chicken chips. If they don't have chicken, get me dill pickle. And I want a chocolate milk.

CiaranC

lol

Steyr has anger issues. Chill out. Smoke a joint or something.

humanji

RedPlanet wrote:

Do you know why there are drug dealers Steyr?
It's because people like drugs.
The reason why drugs and dealing are associated with criminal gangs and violence is a direct result of Prohibition.
Take for example Al Capone, without Prohibition he's a nobody.
You want rid of the drug dealers?
Legalize Dope Stoopid.

And while we're at it, legalise murder, rape and robbery. That'll put a dent in crime :rolleyes:

beans

Your the idiot when you buy drugs your funding the drug dealers, who of course are scum who are doing other stuff like shootings etc just look at dublin your the idiots fuelling the stuff going on.

You're right of course, I think the jist of the whole thing is about getting cannabis declassified, or not scheduled as contraband. Once done, people would be able to cultivate their own and trade in the plant without having to fund 'drug dealers'. This is the point of the excercise.

I don't smoke but I'm all for taking the trade in cannabis off the black market. It's a nonsense market, it allows rogue dealers to charge high prices for low-grade product; some of the dirt being sold as 'hash' in Ireland has never even come in contact with a cannabis plant (no exaggeration, google it). Soapbar is bad for your health like inhaling the fumes from a burning car is bad for your health.

I don't believe that descheduling cannabis would contribute to increased use in any meaningful way, and I'm using the Dutch model to back that up without getting into statistics. On the plus side - less money in crims' pockets, less chemicals in users' bodies, less people in prison unnecessarily and so less Garda time wasted. Socially speaking I think it makes a lot of sense.

The whole J-Day thing is a bit of a distraction. Without some kind of focus these kind of 'rallies' achieve nothing. They need to bring something to the Dáil or whatever, suggest something or shut up - but don't sit around in a circle playing the bongos and smoking shít you bought from a criminal if you want to be taken seriously. Or something.

cornbb

humanji wrote:

And while we're at it, legalise murder, rape and robbery. That'll put a dent in crime :rolleyes:

Man, that makes no sense whatsoever. Think about it. Murder, rape and robbery all involve victims, and this is irrespective of the fact that they are illegal. If dope was legalised, there would be no victims, unless you want to call people who smoke dope "victims". Either way, no third parties would be hurt. There's no way you can compare murder, rape and robbery to ingesting natural substances into one's own body.

User45701

it will be a while before legailisation because we have to wait for certain people to die off or grow old lose power ect. New blood in the government it will take a while but it is so simple that hash/weed/dope whatever you want to call it is a better drug for you than drink - don't any of you watch bill Hicks?

dr.bollocko

humanji wrote:

And while we're at it, legalise murder, rape and robbery. That'll put a dent in crime :rolleyes:

That's a retarded statement to make. If you are going to be sensationalist at least come up with some sort of decent well thought out comment to back up your argument, not a nonsensical statement and a condescending rolleyes. What point are you even trying to make? That smoking a spliff is as bad as murder or rape in your eyes?
Really?
I think your own moral issues don't really have a place in this thread.

This one's for you.
:rolleyes:

beans

humanji wrote:

And while we're at it, legalise murder, rape and robbery. That'll put a dent in crime :rolleyes:

This debate always leads us down some bizarre alleys. No wonder the stoners can't get their heads around the twisted logic of some of the retorts eh?

ScumLord

The whole J-Day thing is a bit of a distraction. Without some kind of focus these kind of 'rallies' achieve nothing. They need to bring something to the Dáil or whatever, suggest something or shut up - but don't sit around in a circle playing the bongos and smoking shít you bought from a criminal if you want to be taken seriously.

Like I said it won't be a sit in the park job this year, plans are afoot. J-Day is going to be the start of a new campaign against the prohabition of cannabis. In the past it has been half hearted and pointless.

Idiotic statements like Humanjis show that the anti argument is crumbeling, if we push this year there could be allot of support and we all know that Irish polititions are media whores, they'll do whatever they think is popular opinion. So changing the public opinion could be all we need to do.

humanji

dr.bollocko wrote:

f you are going to be sensationalist at least come up with some sort of decent well thought out comment to back up your argument,

Yes, because after hours is the place for well thought out arguments.

dr.bollocko wrote:

What point are you even trying to make? That smoking a spliff is as bad as murder or rape in your eyes?
Really?
I think your own moral issues don't really have a place in this thread.

This one's for you.
:rolleyes:

The point is that you want to legalise a crime to get over it being a crime.

beans wrote:

This debate always leads us down some bizarre alleys. No wonder the stoners can't get their heads around the twisted logic of some of the retorts eh?

Wait till I start using different coloured fonts!

cornbb

Maybe he wants to legalise the activity because it shouldn't have been a crime in the first place?

An awful lot of people sadly can't use their own judgement when it comes to determining right from wrong. The fact that something is illegal doesn't mean it is morally wrong.

InFront

You recognize the threat that drugs, including cannabis, poses to people's health, though. Right?

User45701

Lets hope there is only one problem tho. i dont believe in marching.
i don't understand why anyone does it.

I want it to be legal.

ive been in town a few times and these ****ing morons are going on there anti-war marches and anti abortion marches ect ect its a load of ****e just because they dont like things the way they are how does that give them the right to march on my roads and stop my buses and make me walk home from town.

And since i have been bitching and moaning about the above sentence since i was about 10 it would make me hypercritical for going on a march.

Marches should not block main roads. I wish there was some other way i could help on this issue

humanji

cornbb wrote:

Maybe he wants to legalise the activity because it shouldn't have been a crime in the first place?

An awful lot of people sadly can't use their own judgement when it comes to determining right from wrong. The fact that something is illegal doesn't mean it is morally wrong.

Well, I don't care about people smoking it. I'd prefer that than people smoking tobacco. So I'm not talking morally.
Earlier it was pointed out that without prohibition Al Capone would be nobody. He was a gangster who was active before prohibition. He was into money laundering, murder, robbery, extorsion and rackateering (sp?) as well as tax evasion, which finally got him put away. Bootlegging was a source of income for him, but not the only one.

In a similar (yet greatly scaled down) fashion, a drug dealer selling hash isn't going to suddenly become a law abiding contributer to society. It's possible, but if they see one easy way of making money, then they can easily make it some other way. They may not resort to it, but I'd rather pass someone selling hash on the street than someone pulling a knife and robbing me (because I'm a sniveling coward).

RedPlanet

InFront wrote:

You recognize the threat that drugs, including cannabis, poses to people's health, though. Right?

I'm sure we all do.
And we also know that it's nothing compared to the damage that alcohol does to the body.
Strangely that drug isn't illegal, despite the numbers it puts in our casualty wards every weekend....

InFront

As was mentioned by Julep in another thread, the quite honestly, whiney argument, that "alcohol is free so why isn't cannabis" is nothing but childish and immature.
There are a myriad of reasons why alcohol is available under legislation but cannabis is not, the most notable one being history. If alcohol was only discovered in 1990, I'm pretty confident its public sale it would be illegal in Ireland today.
It is legal, but that is no reason for everything else to be legal with it.

ScumLord

User45701 wrote:

I wish there was some other way i could help on this issue

Well you've put up good arguments here so helping with the wording of the manifesto and press releases, flyer's, posters and cards. handing out said posters and cards, organizing local groups, you need 300 members in a group before you can start a political party according to the citizens information site. Finding artists that will contribute their time and even creativity towards the movement, what are you prepared to contribute?

The march is just one public action, it's the rest of the background stuff that will make the march worth while.

Humanji are you saying you want to keep cannabis illegal so bad people have something to keep them occupied That's the best one yet.

humanji

ScumLord wrote:

Humanji are you saying you want to keep cannabis illegal so bad people have something to keep them occupied That's the best one yet.

If it keeps them the hell out of my way, then yes