What a Scam

qwertplaywert

SO i picked up a trial copy of World of Warcraft the other day, as the game was recommended to me by a friend,but i didnt want to sub straight away

so i bought it,installed it and created an account.........alls well

now i discover before i can start to play, i have to download 480mb's of updates!scam i tell you! the box clearly states dial up internet will work with it,but broadband is reremended..............this is lies..........no one on dial up could possibly be able to download this

can someone give me an email address fro billzard for me to express my outrage?

and also do i have to right to return the product to where i bought it[gamestop]?i know its only 2 euro but i hate being scamed
and im in the legal right as it was misleading information on the box

nesf

Eh, what scam? Eve is 'dial up friendly' and you could have a 600mb download to do with it. It's not like dial up connections are incapable of downloads that large or anything....

Plus, 2 euro...


Oh, and I've done larger downloads on a dial up connection. Far larger.

DublinWriter

qwertplaywert wrote:

can someone give me an email address fro billzard for me to express my outrage?

Oh boo hoo. Ring Joe Duffy and get over it.

Battlefield II currently needs the same size of patch if you want to play it online.

...and what about XP itself? I must have counted about 2GB of updates coming in through the Automatic Update facility.

Gurgle

qwertplaywert wrote:

i have to download 480mb's of updates!scam i tell you! the box clearly states dial up internet will work with it,but broadband is reremended..............this is lies..........no one on dial up could possibly be able to download this

can someone give me an email address fro billzard for me to express my outrage?

Try their website.

And maybe you should have started the thread with 'Would some nice WoW playing boardsie please stick the updates on a CD and post it to me?'

People are helpfull around here if approached nicely.

koneko

Don't see how that's a scam, online games get updates, updates can get big depending on what content is in them. Would you rather they didn't update the games or didn't fix anything or add things people want?

If you want to play an MMORPG, you'll have to live with big patches, that's the way it is. Actually if you want to play games online, you'll sometimes have to live with big patches, like someone mentioned the BF games can have big updates too.

You can try getting someone to burn it to CD for you if you ask nicely, you'll probably get annoyed every time they release a patch because they can be big sometimes. It's something you'll either have to live with, or wait until you have broadband.

Dcully

Far from a scam,they update the game to improve it,this is a good thing.
Whats to stop you downloading updates overnight?

Thats what i had to do when on dialup.

adonis

i noticed the specs on the box too
zould this run on dial up or on an averqge BB connection .. thats irish broadband

god's toy

It's not a scam as it was only €2, it's not like you singed up for anything and now cant get out of the agreement. €2 for a load of code is good value I think.

I suppose they could have updated the demo CD but that would bring up the price of the CD...

Ivan

The patch can be downloaded using dialup, at a large cost, hence why broadband is recommended...

But seriously, what kind of a response were you expecting?

BKtje

min specs are really minimum for a reason, they are not ideal. You can play/download on dial-up therefore minimum specs.
You need to download large patches, therefore broadband recommended.

zould this run on dial up or on an averqge BB connection .. thats irish broadband

As long as you can stay connected to the internet then you can. Pings ain't vital for this (i mean a lot of people play this with 500ish pings) but obviously lower is better.

The game itself doesn't take up a whole lot of bandwidth.

Smellyirishman

As was said, you could have just asked nicely if anyone would be able to put the updates on a CD for you. I am sure there would be a few willing people (myself included).

It's not a scam. Dial-up will work, they recommend broadband, no scam.

Also, just so you know, it's more like 1.4GB for all the patches AFAIK.

qwertplaywert

sorry for the flipout guys.......im such a noOb at online games..........would anyone be willing to put it on a cd for me?
i would pay a small fee through paypal

Smellyirishman

PM sent.

Octavarium

Man I can completely sympathise...

I remember finding out the updates I had to download when I bought Guild Wars while on dial-up.

In these kind of situations, I found this helped, and it's free!
http://www.getright.com/

It's a download manager that allows you to pause large downloads (you could download ten MB, pause the download, and resume when you wake up the next day.

humanji

In fairness though, there must be something they can do for trial users. The idea of the trial is to lure possible gamers, not make them freak out at how long it'll take to play the game. I recently got the Star Wars Galaxies trial and after almost a week of downloading various patches, i just gave up. They lost a possible customer because noboy wants to wait that long for a game. There has to be a happy medium that doesn't need too much patching.

tuxy

I can't believe some people have said it just takes some time.
I make it out to be about 3 days of constantant downloadingon 56k to get 1.4 gb.
How could that be practical in anyones mind?

Gurgle

tuxy wrote:

I can't believe some people have said it just takes some time.
I make it out to be about 3 days of constantant downloadingon 56k to get 1.4 gb.
How could that be practical in anyones mind?

broadband recommended

Is anyone actually playing the game on dial-up?
Is it physically possible?

BKtje

How could that be practical in anyones mind?

Not saying its practical, saying its technically possible.

tuxy

B-K-DzR wrote:

Not saying its practical, saying its technically possible.

But thats a bit like telling someone, technically you can play a game even if your pc only runs it a 3 fps.

Smellyirishman

Not really. It's like saying, you can play the game, but you just have to wait a week longer than anyone else to start (or you could reply to the PM a friendly boardster sent you... *cough*). Not really too much to ask, IMO. Just leave it running day and night and it will be done in a couple of days.

The quicker solution has been proposed, I await a response.

o1s1n

I remember when updating half life with an 85mb patch seemed like a big deal on dialup.

Anyway, why would you even consider playing WoW with a 56k? Surely that would be more pain then it's worth.

tuxy

o1s1n wrote:

Anyway, why would you even consider playing WoW with a 56k? Surely that would be more pain then it's worth.

Do you know how little bandwidth wow uses? Check it out with something like du meter sometime.
And latency, once under 300, isn't a big problem in wow either.

Cuddlesworth

tuxy wrote:

And latency, once under 300, isn't a big problem in wow either.

Played Wg with a ping of 2000 and came out on top.

moridin

Go to internet cafe. Download patches. Burn to DVD.

http://www.wowwiki.com/Patch_Mirrors

cance

krazy_8s wrote:

Played Wg with a ping of 2000 and came out on top.

but u r teh face melter.

lazygit

Gurgle wrote:

broadband recommended

Is anyone actually playing the game on dial-up?
Is it physically possible?

i have raided MC on a 33k modem with no problems. i have also done some questing in Outlands using bluetooth to my mobile phone and a 3g connection.

33k gives pings of about 300ms
and 3G about 600ms

Mr. CooL ICE

tuxy wrote:

Check it out with something like du meter sometime.

I used a meter similar to this. 40-man raids don't take up much bandwidth, but using mods such as KTM and ct_raidassist do actually drive the usage up

Joseph

Honestly, how is that a scam? They are providing new exciting content and updates weekly, and you call it a scam? L2P please

ZorbaTehZ

300ms / 600ms is still ****.
IMO your a ****ing idiot to play an MMO on anything less than broadband.

koneko

Hey Zorba, hows about you don't call someone a "****ing idiot" again (read the charter). Kthnxbye.

Cuddlesworth

ZorbaTehZ wrote:

300ms / 600ms is still ****.
IMO your a ****ing idiot to play an MMO on anything less than broadband.

Have you tried playing Wow on anything other then broadband?

layke

koneko wrote:

If you want to play any online game, you'll have to live with big patches, that's the way it is. Actually if you want to play games online, you'll sometimes have to live with big patches, like someone mentioned the BF games can have big updates too.

Fixed

chrislad

Just after installing it now (the full version) and there's 700 megs of updates at the moment. Glad I waited until I installed Vista.

qwertplaywert

ZorbaTehZ wrote:

300ms / 600ms is still ****.
IMO your a ****ing idiot to play an MMO on anything less than broadband.

no im not
some of my friends on dial up have it and they find it grand

Ivan

And tell me... how do your friends who play on dial up and get on grand, find patch days?

Just to hazard a guess, but do they visit a cyber-cafe and pay €3 to download the patches and burn them to CD?
Or do they have a generous friend do it for them from the comfort of their own home?
I guess a more important question is... do they think its a scam?

ZorbaTehZ

Sorry if I caused any offense with my last post.

(on topic) I've played WOW on 56k (back when it was released) and all I can remember is I disliked it. Immensely. My server is bad enough on BB, 56k would be a joke.
You say you have friends who find it "grand" on 56k. Hmm , I find that *very* hard to believe.
Ditto what Ivan said, patch days must be insane for your friends especially if they have to go through downloading the patch on a dial-up.

Ivan

My point was not that his friends must find it insane on patch days.
My point was that the original post was about how the OP thought it was as scam to have to download the patches on 56k. He was then told how can he even play on 56k, to which he defended his position by saying alot of his friends play "grand" on 56k. I was merely pointing the irony of how his friends play "grand" on 56k when he thinks it a scam that he should be expected to download patches on 56k. Something his friends who find it "grand" must do on a regular basis...