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Guy kissed me while I was drunk...

  • 19-01-2007 7:22pm
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 166,026 ✭✭✭✭


    going unreg for obvious reasons.

    Im a 21 and a guy with a girlfriend. Went out last night (thursday) with friends from my course and their housemates. As with everyother student night I got extremely drunk and by the end of the night made it back to my friend's house to stay the night.

    Now I was almost comatose with the amount of drink I had. I was lying on the couch almost asleep when someone starts kissing me. Being this drunk for some reason I thought it was my girlfriend and started talking to them as if it was.
    Then I feel stubble against my face and shove them off me, run as fast as I could out of the room and down the stairs. In the process I fell down the stairs and injured myself (2 broken fingers and a badly bruised face)

    When my friends asked why I was running down the stairs I said I had called a cab and it was waiting outside.

    The guy who took advantage that I was in a such a bad state is my friends housemate. He seemed normal enough although I did get a vibe off him before that night that he was kind of unfriendly towards me. I feel absolutely sick to the stomach that this happened and cringe everytime it replays in my mind. It's one of the few events I can remember from the night possibly because of its shock value.

    So what should I do? Should I confront this guy who clearly saw how drunk I was and tried to take advantage of me or should I just pretend that nothing ever happened as it would be very very embarrassing.
    I'm finished college in may and will never see this guy again. I really feel like kicking the **** out of him for what he done.
    Help me :(
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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 47,539 CMod ✭✭✭✭Black Swan


    Caught by surprise! Was thinking that you were leading up to a drunken kissing incident with a girl not your g/f. A bloke? Whoa! Makes you not want to drink as much next time? Can't imagine what was in his mind, unless the drink brought him out of the closet. I would avoid him completely, and if he made an off colour comment about it in the future, then you should make it known then how revolting it was!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,921 ✭✭✭✭Pigman II


    You should meet up with him again and finish off the kiss. That'll be the best way to get it out of your system. Tell him to shave first tho!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,987 ✭✭✭✭zAbbo


    That'll be the new National campaign.

    'know the one, thats one to many, or we'll send a dude round'

    Just another ' I got shítfaced and XYZ happened to me', at least you felt his stubble on your face and not your thighs


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,524 ✭✭✭✭Gordon


    Oh ffs, helpful replies only please Pigman and zabbo.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,126 ✭✭✭✭calex71


    what2do wrote:
    I really feel like kicking the **** out of him for what he done.
    Help me :(

    Not a good idea but can understand why you'd want too. If you where a girl people would be cying date rape. You where both drunk fair enough but to be taken advantage of in that state is wrong regardless of gender.

    Have you spoken to you girlfriend about it? Don't let it play on your mind it's his issue not yours. Give the idiot a wide birth as you say you'll be done with college in may and never have to see him again.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,174 ✭✭✭D


    You don't have anything to be ashamed about, you did nothing wrong (except for getting so drunk you were unable to make out what was going on around you). I'd tell your girlfriend what happened. Don't make a big deal out of it. The guy is probably really embarrassed about it as much as you are. However, if the guy makes an issue out of it (which I doubt will happen) just tell him that your not gay.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,365 ✭✭✭hunnymonster


    Could it be that this guy fancied you, made a move, you chatted back so he continued? how was he to know you thought he was your GF? It's just one possibility.


    I'm sure you don't need the lecture about not drinking so much that you can't tell the difference between your GF and a random guy. My job means I deal with the fall out of student drinking all the time - the pregnancies, the sti's the criminal records. I still haven't figured out how to make people understand that it isn't just high jinks, it's a problem when you end up that drunk.


    I hope your fingers heal as soon as possible. In the mean time I would just try to forget it happened. Hitting the guy will achieve nothing. Stay out of his way and you'll get over it. If you really need to clear the air, do it in a cofee shop of somewhere public that you have to stay calm.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 166,026 ✭✭✭✭LegacyUser


    no i havent told my girlfriend. I have no intention of either because nothing good could come of it.
    My only fear now is that he will make up some bogus cover story and tell his housemates and my friend to cover his own ass.
    Just can't wait to be finished and move back home to cork, just hope this doesn't affect my exams


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,357 ✭✭✭secret_squirrel


    Would you be making such a big deal of this if some random woman did it? Would you be looking to kick the crap out of her?

    I dont think so.

    People make drunken advances all the time. In this case it happened to be guy on guy, its not a big deal unless you make it one.

    In this case, you actually went with it until you realised who you were kissing.

    Was your reaction so violent because you were enjoying it until the moment you felt stubble?

    I suggest worrying less about his behaviour and more about your own. You got shítfaced and taken advantage of, maybe you'll actually drink within your limits next time.


    Chalk it down to experience and move on.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,578 ✭✭✭Slutmonkey57b


    I suggest worrying less about his behaviour and more about your own. You got shítfaced and taken advantage of, maybe you'll actually drink within your limits next time.


    Chalk it down to experience and move on.

    If the OP had been female, I'm sure you would be chanting "date rape" here. The sex of the person doesn't matter, it's the forced sexual contact that's important.


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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 27,316 CMod ✭✭✭✭spurious


    Women have this happen to them all the time. Once everyone sobers up there's usually much awkwardness and embarrassment.

    I really feel like kicking the **** out of him for what he done.

    That makes you sound scary tbh.

    People kiss people all the time. It's not the end of the world, for anyone.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,312 ✭✭✭rediguana


    Live and learn. Don't get comatose again. This time it was boy-to-boy kissing, next time it could be a stabbing, STD, robbery.

    Don't mention it to him, or anyone. He was wrong to do it, but boundaries get muddied when everyone's plastered.

    Forget about it. It's not the end of the world.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,623 ✭✭✭dame


    what2do wrote:
    I feel absolutely sick to the stomach that this happened and cringe everytime it replays in my mind.

    I hope anyone reading this who is ever tempted to take advantage of someone else when drunk (male or female), will remember this line and think about how they wouldn't like to feel like this themselves.

    OP, it can happen so easily and it regularly does. I suspect it happens to fellas more than you'd know because, like you, they don't talk about it as easily because they are so disgusted that they have been taken advantage of. I know you don't want a lecture on drinking so much that you were almost comatose, but this really was a wake-up call.

    Would you have enjoyed your night out any less if you had halved the amount you drank? Or if you had stopped at two drinks? Would you have known what you were doing? Would you have broken your fingers falling down the stairs if you hadn't been drunk? Are your broken fingers going to affect your college work (final year)? Would you be feeling sick to your stomach if you'd realised immediately and pushed him off or would you have laughed it off?

    Tell your girlfriend just to get it off your chest, then try and put it to the back of your mind and get on with your college work. I wouldn't confront him unless he makes some comment about it or tries to come onto you again, although I'd say he's got the message you're not gay after your reaction!!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,312 ✭✭✭rediguana


    DAME: "Tell your girlfriend just to get it off your chest, then try and put it to the back of your mind and get on with your college work."


    It's already off his chest! If he tells his girlfriend, she may:
    (a) Look at it as just another instance of drunken cheating, and freak, or..
    (b) Think he really MUST have gay tendencies, and be less attracted to him.

    Some things are better kept secret.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 69 ✭✭ninja 101


    i can't believe you ran away from that worthless fag,you really should go back and beat the living sh1t out of him.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 166,026 ✭✭✭✭LegacyUser


    ninja 101 wrote:
    i can't believe you ran away from that worthless fag,you really should go back and beat the living sh1t out of him.

    Curtains for you methinks!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,401 ✭✭✭✭Anti


    ninja 101 wrote:
    i can't believe you ran away from that worthless fag,you really should go back and beat the living sh1t out of him.


    Yeah great idea -_-



    Just leave it, and forget about it.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,410 ✭✭✭kizzyr


    OP as other people have said this incident may make you see that you don't have to be totally rat arsed to have fun. I've been the drunken student as have most of the people who posted here but after one evening when I drank too much, did stuff I wasn't proud of it made me realise that it was possible to enjoy myself without drinking way way too much.
    What happened to you wasn't nice but I think you're reaction is so strong because it was bloke who kissed you. If it had been another girl I doubt you'd be feeling quite so violated. I think you're probably feeling angry that this bloke thought he could kiss you and you'd respond in kind. In my experience many guys hate to think that they are seen as being potentially gay and somehow see it as making them less of a man.
    If I were you I'd chalk this up to experience, deal with your anger on this and move on. If it makes you feel better talk to this bloke who kissed you tell him that you think he was totally out of order to do what he did. I'd let your girlfriend know what happened and then just forget about it. Hope your fingers get better soon;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,518 ✭✭✭✭dudara


    @ ninja 101 Please do not advocate the use of violence in this forum. Please read the charter for further advice.

    dudara


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,045 ✭✭✭Húrin


    Don't do anything, sure this fella was a dirty moron for doing that, but no harm came from it.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 475 ✭✭Dutchology


    what2do wrote:
    no i havent told my girlfriend. I have no intention of either because nothing good could come of it.
    My only fear now is that he will make up some bogus cover story and tell his housemates and my friend to cover his own ass.
    Just can't wait to be finished and move back home to cork, just hope this doesn't affect my exams
    Not bothered reading the rest of the thread, but em... tell your girlfriend, seriously. She'll find out at a later date anyway. You are much better off telling her now and explaining. Think about it, she might think you've been covering up for something in the long run if she doesn't hear about it from you first.....


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,561 ✭✭✭Umaro


    Do NOT tell your girlfriend - for the love of Science H Logic man, don't tell her!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 475 ✭✭Dutchology


    Umaro wrote:
    Do NOT tell your girlfriend - for the love of Science H Logic man, don't tell her!!
    Why not?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 23 BackwardRussia


    spurious wrote:
    Women have this happen to them all the time. Once everyone sobers up there's usually much awkwardness and embarrassment.

    I really feel like kicking the **** out of him for what he done.

    That makes you sound scary tbh.

    People kiss people all the time. It's not the end of the world, for anyone.

    What the ****? How is this allowed to be said and advocating violence is not?

    You should never take advantage kissing someone while they are passed out drunk. If it was a fella doing it to a girl there would be uproar.

    OP personally I know what I would do, I would kick the **** out of him. I'm not advising this or advocating it, it's just how I would react. If you let it go, it shows to him and anyone he knows (ie. his gay friends) that you can easily be taken advantage of with no consequences. I would have to send the message out that this will not be tolerated on me. Who knows what will happen the next time you are passed out drunk. Everyone has the right to get drunk without being taken advantage of.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 27,316 CMod ✭✭✭✭spurious


    If it was a fella doing it to a girl there would be uproar.

    There wouldn't though, that's the point. It happens at parties every day of the week.

    The OP is freaking because it's a guy did it to him and he seems to feel this says something about him, hence the wanting to kick someone's head in. By his own account he went along with it for a while, talking to the other person. It all sounds very confused and drink-ridden, which is probably the problem.

    I would be surprised if you find many women who have not had similar happen to them (by a man or another woman), except they generally do not want to kick anyone's head in.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,623 ✭✭✭dame


    OP personally I know what I would do, I would kick the **** out of him. I'm not advising this or advocating it, it's just how I would react. If you let it go, it shows to him and anyone he knows (ie. his gay friends) that you can easily be taken advantage of with no consequences. I would have to send the message out that this will not be tolerated on me. Who knows what will happen the next time you are passed out drunk. Everyone has the right to get drunk without being taken advantage of.

    This opinion is extremely immature. For a start there's a severe anti-gay tone to it. Here's a little boy who's so insecure in himself he has to beat up someone who kissed him, just to prove that he isn't gay and can't "be taken advantage of".
    Who knows what will happen the next time you are passed out drunk. Everyone has the right to get drunk without being taken advantage of.

    There is so much wrong with this I don't know where to begin. I'll just say this; anyone who believes he has a right to get drunk and pass out, should be big enough to acknowledge that he most likely will do something he isn't proud of, make a fool of himself, put himself in dangerous situations, etc, and when it does happen he should accept it and not then blame others "because he had a right to get drunk and not have **** happen".


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 23 BackwardRussia


    dame wrote:
    There is so much wrong with this I don't know where to begin. I'll just say this; anyone who believes he has a right to get drunk and pass out, should be big enough to acknowledge that he most likely will do something he isn't proud of, make a fool of himself, put himself in dangerous situations, etc, and when it does happen he should accept it and not then blame others "because he had a right to get drunk and not have **** happen".

    So if a girl has a few too many 1 night on the town, and gets beaten, raped and killed because shes more easily taken advantage of in that state, thats her fault for gettin drunk? Right.. Sorry to be extreme but I have a point to prove.
    This opinion is extremely immature. For a start there's a severe anti-gay tone to it. Here's a little boy who's so insecure in himself he has to beat up someone who kissed him, just to prove that he isn't gay and can't "be taken advantage of".

    I wouldnt do it to prove Im not gay. Sure Im married with a young child, I dont have a whole lot to prove. I would do it to send the message to people that I wont be taken advantage of without consequences, whether its a gay bloke kissing me while drunk, or a raping, a beating, whatever. Do it to me and there will be consequences. If you personally would prefer to lie down and take it, then I have no problem with that. Im just saying its not the way I was brought up.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,255 ✭✭✭✭The_Minister


    dame wrote:
    This opinion is extremely immature. For a start there's a severe anti-gay tone to it. Here's a little boy who's so insecure in himself he has to beat up someone who kissed him, just to prove that he isn't gay and can't "be taken advantage of".

    There is a strong stigma regarding getting ****faced and scoring a guy (unlike with girls where its just hot). The chances are that his friends will slag him about this if they find out. The one way to counter this is to show that the encounter was entirely one-way, a violation, is to beat the living snot out of the guy. (not advocating)
    Even without ths, many men would have a violent reaction towards even been come on to by a guy,"Gay Panic" isn't an accepted legal defence for nothing. It's not really immature, it's just an instinct that arises, as most men would have no idea how to deal with sexually-predatory gay men, and would likely have no experience on which to draw, that they could use to temper their emotions.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,623 ✭✭✭dame


    I'm saying that it would be more mature to know that you will be in a position to be compromised more easily and so take steps to avoid that, ie by not drinking so much that you are not in control of yourself and in danger of passing out.

    So as a married man with a child what sort of example are you setting for that child? That it's fine to go out and get so drunk you're passing out? That you should expect others to look after you when you're in that state? That violence is the answer to any/every conflict? When another child teases your child is he immediately going to think what would my daddy do, kick the **** out of him? There are always ways of diplomatically solving minor disputes (as the OP's one is in the grander scheme of things). If somebody gave you the wrong item in a shop and you realised once you'd left (cos you didn't check it there and then so you'd be partially to blame), would you go back and politely explain or would you go back in a rage and beat the **** out of them?

    If the OP took your advice and did go and beat the **** out of the guy then he could very easily end up in court on charges of assault or even manslaughter. What would he explain to the judge? "Well your honour, I was pissed one night and he kissed me and I kissed him back, then I realised he was a man so I ran off and then a few days later I saw him again, so I kicked the **** out him cos he kissed me, and I have a right to get drunk and not be kissed by another man."

    Grow up BackwardRussia. Try and teach your child some values, other than drink and violence.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 994 ✭✭✭Carrigart Exile


    I take it the guy who did the kissing was also very very drunk. Put it down to experience and move on mate; in fact congratulate yourself that you are attractive.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 23 BackwardRussia


    dame wrote:
    I'm saying that it would be more mature to know that you will be in a position to be compromised more easily and so take steps to avoid that, ie by not drinking so much that you are not in control of yourself and in danger of passing out.

    So as a married man with a child what sort of example are you setting for that child? That it's fine to go out and get so drunk you're passing out? That you should expect others to look after you when you're in that state? That violence is the answer to any/every conflict? When another child teases your child is he immediately going to think what would my daddy do, kick the **** out of him? There are always ways of diplomatically solving minor disputes (as the OP's one is in the grander scheme of things). If somebody gave you the wrong item in a shop and you realised once you'd left (cos you didn't check it there and then so you'd be partially to blame), would you go back and politely explain or would you go back in a rage and beat the **** out of them?

    You can't compare what could be considered to some as a sexual assault, and receiving the wrong item in a shop. Your comparison is a cheap shot and shows you are running out of valid points in a desperate attempt to win this argument.
    So as a married man with a child what sort of example are you setting for that child? That it's fine to go out and get so drunk you're passing out?

    Umm.. Firstly, I never said anywhere in any of my posts that I go out and get so drunk that I pass out. I did when I was younger but now that I have responsibilities (and a mortgage) I don't. Stop putting words in my mouth.

    I'm presuming from your name you are female. Therefore the following situation might not apply to you, but if someone came up to you on the street and start mugging or beating you up for no apparent reason, and there was nowhere to run, would you just stand there and take it or fight back and defend yourself?

    Now in this situation, you have 1 gay man coming onto a straight man and taking advantage of him while hes passed out drunk. Whats to say next time the gay man decides he wants sex, he got away with kissing the last time so why not give it a try?

    Now say there are 2 people passed out drunk in the room, and the gay man wants sex. Who do you think he is going to go after first, me (the guy who will beat the **** out of him), or guy 2 who will just brush it off and get on with life?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,623 ✭✭✭dame


    if someone came up to you on the street and start mugging or beating you up for no apparent reason, and there was nowhere to run, would you just stand there and take it or fight back and defend yourself?

    No, I'd hand over a bit of cash, there's no point in getting knifed for a few quid. That would be defending myself. Fighting will only cause you more injury in the long run. If you've ever taken notice, it is usually the people who don't fight back who live to tell the tale and hopefully get their attacker brought to justice.
    Now in this situation, you have 1 gay man coming onto a straight man and taking advantage of him while hes passed out drunk. Whats to say next time the gay man decides he wants sex, he got away with kissing the last time so why not give it a try?

    So you'd actually risk being passed out drunk again?
    Now say there are 2 people passed out drunk in the room, and the gay man wants sex. Who do you think he is going to go after first, me (the guy who will beat the **** out of him), or guy 2 who will just brush it off and get on with life?

    Again, why would you risk being passed out anywhere, let alone near this guy? Do you think that because you beat him up he'll just say "Respect, that guy's no pushover!" and rape your friend instead? Would you not think that maybe he'd see it as an opportunity to get revenge for you having beaten him up? After all you see nothing wrong in taking revenge yourself!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 69 ✭✭ninja 101


    dame wrote:
    No, I'd hand over a bit of cash, there's no point in getting knifed for a few quid. That would be defending myself. Fighting will only cause you more injury in the long run. If you've ever taken notice, it is usually the people who don't fight back who live to tell the tale and hopefully get their attacker brought to justice.



    So you'd actually risk being passed out drunk again?



    Again, why would you risk being passed out anywhere, let alone near this guy? Do you think that because you beat him up he'll just say "Respect, that guy's no pushover!" and rape your friend instead? Would you not think that maybe he'd see it as an opportunity to get revenge for you having beaten him up? After all you see nothing wrong in taking revenge yourself!

    Dame you seem to think that there has been no harm done here.This guy was sexually assulted by another man.This is probally one of the most disgusting horrible crimes possible!Not so long ago the guy would have been put in jail for pulling a stunt like this.This guy broke two of his fingers and smashed his face getting away from his attacker so there has been harm done.The op should go back and at least get the money for the medical costs inncured.First of all people say its okay to be gay,now they are saying it okay if a a gay dose something like this.What happening to our morals.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 363 ✭✭dvega


    Do nothing,you were pissed he could say anything and you wouldnt remember,you know NOT what to do next time you go out,obviously you cant handle drink so be careful next time.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,566 ✭✭✭GrumPy


    Calling it an "attack" is abit much tbh, The guy shoulda got a swift punch in the mouth, and walked.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,046 ✭✭✭Fracture


    Well tbh, in my opinion, As soon as it happened I would have punched him straight away. Just because you were that drunk dosent mean he should get away with it.
    Or maybe i would confront him about it first, and if he says sorry then forget about it, but if he laughs or anything id kick the living **** out of him and tell everyone why he looks like an old banana.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,623 ✭✭✭dame


    It was a KISS!!!! I think that people are getting carried away here calling it a "serious sexual assault". If a woman kissed a man when he was drunk would that be as serious in people's eyes? If a man kissed a woman when she didn't want him to (ie when she's drunk), she'd remove herself as soon as she could and as long as it stopped at a kiss she'd move on and try not to put herself in danger of something similar happening again (by keeping away from the man in question and keeping her wits about her in similar situations).

    Violence is never the answer, unless it is in self defence, as in if you don't react violently you'll be killed. Punching someone in the face cos they kissed you will just land you with a summons and a criminal record.

    How many times.....the thing to do is push him away (with just enough force to remove him from your face), tell him you're not interested, then remember not to get so drunk next time that you can't tell you're kissing a guy.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,410 ✭✭✭kizzyr


    What the ****? How is this allowed to be said and advocating violence is not?

    You should never take advantage kissing someone while they are passed out drunk. If it was a fella doing it to a girl there would be uproar.

    OP personally I know what I would do, I would kick the **** out of him. I'm not advising this or advocating it, it's just how I would react. If you let it go, it shows to him and anyone he knows (ie. his gay friends) that you can easily be taken advantage of with no consequences. I would have to send the message out that this will not be tolerated on me. Who knows what will happen the next time you are passed out drunk. Everyone has the right to get drunk without being taken advantage of.

    No no no no no you don't. I'm not saying that women who get drunk and raped deserve it, no one ever deserves to be raped. That said however if you go out and get yourself rat arsed and in such a state that you have all but passed out and find it difficult to tell the gender of who is kissing you then you and you only have put yourself in that position. Yes the bloke who kissed the OP was wrong to have taken advantage but if the OP hadn't drunk himself stupid then he wouldn't have been able to would he. Everyone needs to take responsibility for their actions and behavior and not use "ah sure I was drunk it wasn't my fault" as an excuse for everything.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,623 ✭✭✭dame


    ninja 101 wrote:
    This guy broke two of his fingers and smashed his face getting away from his attacker so there has been harm done.The op should go back and at least get the money for the medical costs inncured.

    Why? If he hadn't been so pissed he wouldn't have fallen and if he hadn't been so pissed the incident that made him run wouldn't have happend.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,623 ✭✭✭dame


    ninja 101 wrote:
    First of all people say its okay to be gay,now they are saying it okay if a a gay dose something like this.What happening to our morals.

    Careful there ninja 101....


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 69 ✭✭ninja 101


    QUOTE=dame] If a woman kissed a man when he was drunk would that be as serious in people's eyes? [/QUOTE]

    No its okay for the woman to pressume the man is straight,she still shouldn't really do it however its not okay for a guy to pressume another man is gay as only about 2 or 3% of the population are gay.He is forced himself on a straight guy,people have been killed for less.He was very foolish and lucky to get away with what he did so lightly.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 69 ✭✭ninja 101


    dame wrote:
    Careful there ninja 101....

    what?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,410 ✭✭✭kizzyr


    ninja 101 wrote:
    Dame you seem to think that there has been no harm done here.This guy was sexually assulted by another man.This is probally one of the most disgusting horrible crimes possible!Not so long ago the guy would have been put in jail for pulling a stunt like this.This guy broke two of his fingers and smashed his face getting away from his attacker so there has been harm done.The op should go back and at least get the money for the medical costs inncured.First of all people say its okay to be gay,now they are saying it okay if a a gay dose something like this.What happening to our morals.
    Dame isn't saying that at all.:rolleyes: The guy was kissed by someone else while drunk. I am pretty certain that if he had been kissed by another woman while he was that drunk he'd have been boasting about it not taking 50 showers a day. Its great to see that homophobia is still alive at well :mad: Yes the guy who did the kissing shouldn't have but in the grand scheme of things all he did was make a move he shouldn't have. It would seem that the OP over reacted to a certain extent what with his throwing himself down the stairs and breaking his own fingers.:rolleyes: There is every chance he'd have done this any time he was drunk, I've listened to so many people tell the stories of their war wounds of the weekend on a Monday morning. All of these war wounds, sprained ankles, massive bruises, broken heels on shoes etc are caused because they've drunk too much. Thats before the fabulous stories of throwing up in taxis, doorways etc kick in.
    As for your comment that its not too long ago a guy would have been put in jail for a crime like this.........please.........if thats how you feel then you must be gunning for rapists, pedophiles etc etc
    Incidentally there is nothing wrong with being gay no more than there is with being straight. I am amazed at your concern over the morals with society accepting this and you seeing it as a problem yet you advise the OP to attack the man who kissed him:rolleyes:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,578 ✭✭✭Slutmonkey57b


    If the Kisser is slapping the tongue into guys who are passed out, that's not going to do a lot for getting rid of the "hang on boys, arses against the wall" stereotypical homophobic reaction, is it?

    I don't think any of the people who have reacted with "I'd have smacked him one" have made any homophobic comments - their only comment is that someone who is asleep (whether passed out drunk or not) should not be sexually assaulted by anyone, for any reason, no matter what their sex. Regardless of how drunk the OP was, he was out with his friend, stayed over at his friend's, crashed on the couch, and at the very least had the right to expect not to be molested in his sleep. Considering the shock he must have got, running out the door, tripping downstairs is hardly an over-reaction.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 69 ✭✭ninja 101


    kizzyr wrote:
    Dame isn't saying that at all.:rolleyes: The guy was kissed by someone else while drunk. I am pretty certain that if he had been kissed by another woman while he was that drunk he'd have been boasting about it not taking 50 showers a day. Its great to see that homophobia is still alive at well :mad: Yes the guy who did the kissing shouldn't have but in the grand scheme of things all he did was make a move he shouldn't have. It would seem that the OP over reacted to a certain extent what with his throwing himself down the stairs and breaking his own fingers.:rolleyes: There is every chance he'd have done this any time he was drunk, I've listened to so many people tell the stories of their war wounds of the weekend on a Monday morning. All of these war wounds, sprained ankles, massive bruises, broken heels on shoes etc are caused because they've drunk too much. Thats before the fabulous stories of throwing up in taxis, doorways etc kick in.
    As for your comment that its not too long ago a guy would have been put in jail for a crime like this.........please.........if thats how you feel then you must be gunning for rapists, pedophiles etc etc
    Incidentally there is nothing wrong with being gay no more than there is with being straight. I am amazed at your concern over the morals with society accepting this and you seeing it as a problem yet you advise the OP to attack the man who kissed him:rolleyes:

    No you can't justify what happened,this guy has wittingly or unwittingly tried to embroiled this innocent albeit drunk guy in the stigma that involves homosexuality.If this guys friends ever hear about this he will get stick for years.He attacked the mans sexuality.As for rapists and pedophiles, well lets just say I'm disappointed we don't have the death sentence.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,267 ✭✭✭Elessar


    I cant believe there are so many posts. Just get over it, avoid him if you want.

    Ignore the manly-men internet tough-guys. :rolleyes:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,509 ✭✭✭✭randylonghorn


    ninja 101 wrote:
    First of all people say its okay to be gay,now they are saying it okay if a a gay those something like this.
    Yes, it is OK to be gay. No, it is not OK to take advantage of someone, whether either party is gay or straight. I do not recall anyone on this thread saying that it was, though there has been some discussion of how major an incident is being discussed, and a lot of exaggerated statements have been made.

    The important point, when everyone has finished arguing, is that it feels like a major incident to the OP right now.

    OP, people are right to say that you are foolish to get so drunk that you have no idea what is happening to you; however, that does NOT give this guy the right to do what he did. (Assuming, of course, that he wasn't as drunk as you were, crashed out beside you, and knew as little about what he was doing as you did ... unlikely, probably, but not completely impossible).

    I can sympathise with how you are feeling right now, I think I would feel the same. I will even admit that had I been in your shoes I might have thrown a punch at the time. I'm not saying that it would have been the right thing to do, or that I am advocating it, I am simply saying that in the heat of the moment I might have done it. I know that in the sober light of day I certainly would not go looking for him with that in mind.

    While I can see that part of you probably wants to confront him, there is a real danger that he will deny everything and that things will go from bad to worse with accusations and counter-accusations.

    The reality is that while he was wrong to have taken advantage, and it is very understandable that you feel upset, it was just a drunken kiss.

    Why not talk it out with someone professional and neutral? ... the counsellor at your college for example? That's what they're there for.

    It's your own decision whether to discuss it with your girlfriend, and no-one can make that decision for you. I think most girls would be very understanding and supportive, but I also understand, as a guy, that I would feel awkward and embarrassed telling my girlfriend. I think it probably depends a lot on how close your relationship is as to whether you will feel comfortable telling her.

    It is a horrible thing to happen, but it is not the end of the world. It was just a kiss. In a little while, it will fall into perspective, especially if you talk it out of your system and get some support.

    And mate, I like a few pints myself, but I always make sure I have some control of what I am doing and, in this case, what is being done to me.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,517 ✭✭✭axer


    what2do wrote:
    no i havent told my girlfriend. I have no intention of either because nothing good could come of it.
    I can't see why you wouldn't tell your girlfriend. My girlfriend would be the first I'd tell. She could hardly blame you or anything and its hardly something YOU have to be ashamed of.

    If it had happened to me, I know it would make me feel sick (If it had been a girl that kissed me I would not feel sick about it but I would be pissed off with her). I would keep telling myself it was only a kiss and he was drunk - not sure if would do any good though. You have to let it pass - talking to someone would help big time as it would take a bit of the load off of your brain.

    There is no point talking to the guy about it again unless you need to make it clear that he is never to do something like that again - but Id say he knows that.
    So if a girl has a few too many 1 night on the town, and gets beaten, raped and killed because shes more easily taken advantage of in that state, thats her fault for gettin drunk? Right.. Sorry to be extreme but I have a point to prove.
    She would be partly responsible if the getting drunk put her in the vunerable position whereby she could be attacked.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 304 ✭✭Smiley012


    I can't express how I whole heartedly agree with randylonghorn, one of the few people on this thread to speak real sense, and as for ninja101 implying that it's not ok to be gay...

    like, what year are you living in? have you no respect for people's sexual orientation?

    I have no respect for people who put themselves upon people who are drunk, in fact I tend to think it's downright disgusting, all I can say about it is that if it was a girl OP would not have had the same reaction. He needs to accept that it happened, be comfortable with his own sexuality so that he can move on. Unfortunately signals can be mixed, and people can get very drunk, and people can be very sleazy, I know that myself from nights out on the town.

    I don't think he should feel so disgusted with himself, as it was only a kiss... an unwanted kiss I know, but at least thats all it was! OP has done nothing wrong and shouldn't feel ashamed of himself in anyway.

    I also wouldn't think that his GF would turn her back on him, or give him a hard time over it, especially if he makes it clear that he's very upset about it. I'm sure that if she loves you, she will support you, and maybe thats what you need? A bit of reassurance and love?

    Also, if it is seriously really bothering him, maybe he should go speak to somebody about it... it can help!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 166,026 ✭✭✭✭LegacyUser


    '
    dame wrote:
    No, I'd hand over a bit of cash, there's no point in getting knifed for a few quid. That would be defending myself. Fighting will only cause you more injury in the long run.

    Had to pick up on this, you really dont have a clue what your talking about or arent very street smart. People like you are the reason criminals exist, because they can get away with it. Now unless someone has a loaded shotgun to my head and told me to hand over my wallet, I am going to fight them back.

    Just handing your wallet to them and being on your merry way says to them: you won, if you see me around town again sure just take my wallet, I aint gonna fight back. I think some things are worth getting into a fight over, and this is 1 of them. You sound like a complete pushover to be honest (And no disrespect if you are a girl), but you sound like the type who never stands up for themselves.

    I get the vibe off you that you think its the OPs fault he was sexually assaulted by a homosexual. Its not. For gods sake if you cant even get drunk and crash on your mates sofa without being kissed by a homosexual man I dunno what the world is coming to.'


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