Channel 4 Helping Jade

RAIN

Did anyone see what happened last night? They done their nominations and it turned out that Jade & Shilpa are up. So usually at the end of the hour programme the numbers come up at the end for the public to vote to evict. No numbers came up.

I switched over to E4 and watched Big Brothers Big Mouth and Russell made some comment about no numbers being shown to vote but didnt explain why. He then showed a clip of some unseen footage of Jade apologising to Shilpa - a half arsed apology anyway. Then, miracuously numbers came up on the TV to enable the voting to start!!!

Obvioulsy Channel 4 are trying to do some damage control towards Jade. The whole thing is a complete farce!!!!

xzanti

I'd have been surprised if they hadn't pulled some stunt like that, and to be honest I won't be holding my breath for the witch burning ceremony that we're all baying for tonight, they'll probably hand pick the crowd, half compiled with Jade fans or perhaps C4 staff posing as spectators and a few members of the paparazzi under strict instructions not to mention the war...:rolleyes:

But we live in hope.. Now where are my matches...

Carcharodon

Big Brother is a total farce and controlled by producers so as to influence public.
Did anyone see the repeat of Big Brother on E4 yesterday which showed the big fight between Jade and Shilpa, was disgracefuly edited to portray Jade in a better light, made it look like it was more Shilpas fault and left out loads and loads of Jades stuff(fair enough some might not be fit for day time viewing but they went out of their way to help Jade)

panda100

Yeah the whole numbers not showing up at the end was disgraceful. Ive just returned form London though and the frenzy surrounding Jade is just unreal. Channel 4 had to do something to protect her.

CherieAmour

Totally agree with you OP!!!!

I thought last nights installment was so contrived. Shilpa making a "statement" and Jade's non-apology. Danielle's non-apology the night before the same.

Big Brother is breaking its own rules by giving hints about the outside world - in fact, I'd go so far as to say I reckon they were all called in off camera and told the story.

The issue now is that the racism thing has gotten so big that the bullying aspect is falling by the wayside. The emphasis is on false apologies and making up rather than the awful treatment this girl has received at the hands of these twats.

All we have to read for evidence of C4s manipulation of the show is how this is worded:

http://www.channel4.com/bigbrother/news/newsstory.jsp?id=1298&articleMask=1

SprostonGreen

panda100 wrote:

Channel 4 had to do something to protect her.

This really bugs me, in my opinion she needs to hear the abuse from the crowd. Its just shouting not snipers on rooftops.

johnnysmurfman

Can't wait for tonight. I'm already planning my evening around watching it. I know that they will protect her to some degree but in all fairness, the fit has got to hit the shan.

Ghost Train

The new's and media have blown the whole thing out of proportion I think, I'm not saying that theres any justification for how jade and her friends are acting in the house. That big brother held off on opening the voting is understandable given how out of control the condeming of jade goody has gotten, and that they'll be giving all money to charity for this vote says something about their response to whats happening. What jade has done has been bad, but some of the reactions i've seen and hate directed at jade have been as bad if not much worse i think, most of this isn't from main stream media, but it does seems to be fueled by it. This hate towards jade might mean the bb protect her a bit but so what, they do have a responability to the celebs when theyre on the show, that the celebs are for the most part responsable for their own behaviour on the show is the way it should be i think. BB maybe have let things go too far and in that way what they've done to all the celebs including shilpa and jade mightn't be right, but given the celebs are in there by choice and can leave whenever they want and know they are being filmed for millions of people, it seems to me that all the blame aimed at bb/c4 aint right, to me the show it's just hightlighting that bullying goes on as does discrimination of all types among all types of people and is a huge problem

Villaricos

just watching Sky news - there isnt going to be any live audience at tonights eviction! Channel 4 are obviously too scared at what could happen!

gustavo

johnnysmurfman wrote:

Can't wait for tonight. I'm already planning my evening around watching it. I know that they will protect her to some degree but in all fairness, the fit has got to hit the shan.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/6277875.stm
"There will be no crowd outside the house on the eviction show, the company handling the tickets has confirmed"



Thats a disgrace , she should have to face the public like every other evictee has had to

Mr. Presentable

It would better suit BB if Jade stayed in, so don't be surprised if she does. In any event, how can we know that the eviction actually reflects how the votes were cast?

vandermeyde

Strange that C4 have spun it as something positive in terms of it being a reflection of societal race relations within Britain today and something which will spark a wider debate; whilst at the same time undoubtedly briefing the involved parties and getting them to apologise/tone it down and now having no public crowd at the eviction tonight....

tubes

I read somewhere that Jade's Agent/Publicist team also work for Dermot, Davina, Russell Brand. If this is true it explains a lot. The owners of the site on which the studio is located where going to evict them! So channel4 were forced to conjure up an apology from Jade and Danielle.

Ghost Train

vandermeyde wrote:

Strange that C4 have spun it as something positive in terms of it being a reflection of societal race relations within Britain today and something which will spark a wider debate; whilst at the same time undoubtedly briefing the involved parties and getting them to apologise/tone it down and now having no public crowd at the eviction tonight....

I don't see it as spinning it into to anything positive or negitive. To be honest i've seen very little comment by c4. BB asked jade and danielle about what they said, and made them realise how bad it sounds, i wouldn't call it briefing the involved parties. E4 have live(a bit delayed) coverage from the house for a number of hours during the day, if anybody want a more none edited version of whats going on in the house all they have to do is take a look. From what i've seen what has been shown in the main show are the interesting things that have happened and reflect what has been going on between the celebs. Id have much more problem with spin being put on worldwide news stories by news and media than i would by the c4/bb showing whats going on in the bb house.

tubes

eolhc wrote:

E4 have live(a bit delayed) coverage from the house for a number of hours during the day, if anybody want a more none edited version of whats going on in the house all they have to do is take a look. From what i've seen what has been shown in the main show are the interesting things that have happened and reflect what has been going on between the celebs. Id have much more problem with spin being put on worldwide news stories by news and media than i would by the c4/bb showing whats going on in the bb house.

Regarding the delayed stream on E4. There has been a noticeable increase in the amount of editing in the last few days, i.e many of the conversations are being edited, that is, they cut the sound and replace it with backgound noise. They have total control over the content they want to the viewers to see/hear and have been using this control as best they can in the last few days.

Also, the diary roomis edited, we don't see half the things that are said in there. You can't view the diary room on the E4 feed.

vandermeyde

eolhc wrote:

I don't see it as spinning it into to anything positive or negitive. To be honest i've seen very little comment by c4. BB asked jade and danielle about what they said, and made them realise how bad it sounds, i wouldn't call it briefing the involved parties. E4 have live(a bit delayed) coverage from the house for a number of hours during the day, if anybody want a more none edited version of whats going on in the house all they have to do is take a look. From what i've seen what has been shown in the main show are the interesting things that have happened and reflect what has been going on between the celebs. Id have much more problem with spin being put on worldwide news stories by news and media than i would by the c4/bb showing whats going on in the bb house.

I probably should have qualified it a bit more; the below is from yesterday....now to my mind "confronting the truth" is not asking them to give empty apologies to each other to try and assuage whatever brouhaha is building up in the "outside" world; that's merely papering over the cracks...

"Channel 4 boss Andy Duncan today defended the decision to keep Celebrity Big Brother on air - saying the issues raised were ``unquestionably a good thing''.
Making his first public comment about the controversy, Mr Duncan said he would not be pulling the plug on the format.

The Channel 4 chief executive told a media conference in Oxford: ``The level of complaint and comment shows the programme has touched a real nerve.

``The debate has been heated, the viewing has at times been uncomfortable but, in my view, it is unquestionably a good thing that the programme has raised these issues and provoked such a debate. These attitudes, however distasteful, do persist - we need to confront that truth.''

He said competitor Jade Goody had been spoken to about her comments in footage which would be seen in tonight's show."

Ghost Train

tubes wrote:

Regarding the delayed stream on E4. There has been a noticeable increase in the amount of editing in the last few days, i.e many of the conversations are being edited, that is, they cut the sound and replace it with backgound noise. They have total control over the content they want to the viewers to see/hear and have been using this control as best they can in the last few days.

Also, the diary roomis edited, we don't see half the things that are said in there. You can't view the diary room on the E4 feed.

Well from how I have seen the housemates interact with each other, and the conversations(even if parts are blanked out) they are having, big brother has not come out and directly warned housemates that they are being perceved as racist by the outside world, i have seen the housemates ask questions about bb line of questioning but nothing to suggest the apology is fabricated by producers or spun in any way. While i can see what big brother says in the diary room has a hugh influence on the behaviour in the house, i think there is no briefing to the housemates to tell them to tone things down. ... and i wasn't saying e4 is not edited just that you do see a fair bit more than the hightlights in the main show

pepper

i was a jade fan until i saw her lose the rag with shilpa. jade has no respect for other cultures- she only went in there to promote her new perfume(which a lot of places has removed) and its all her own doing

shes as bad as her mother with her foul mouth and notions about herself

Vince135792003

Whether Jade comments were racially motivated or not, I hope they hold her accountable for what shes done/said. Her behaviour towards Shilpa was totally out of order leaving all racial issues aside and that seems to be getting lost in the coverage.

Ghost Train

vandermeyde wrote:

I probably should have qualified it a bit more; the below is from yesterday....now to my mind "confronting the truth" is not asking them to give empty apologies to each other to try and assuage whatever brouhaha is building up in the "outside" world; that's merely papering over the cracks...

"Channel 4 boss Andy Duncan today defended the decision to keep Celebrity Big Brother on air - saying the issues raised were ``unquestionably a good thing''.
Making his first public comment about the controversy, Mr Duncan said he would not be pulling the plug on the format.

The Channel 4 chief executive told a media conference in Oxford: ``The level of complaint and comment shows the programme has touched a real nerve.

``The debate has been heated, the viewing has at times been uncomfortable but, in my view, it is unquestionably a good thing that the programme has raised these issues and provoked such a debate. These attitudes, however distasteful, do persist - we need to confront that truth.''

He said competitor Jade Goody had been spoken to about her comments in footage which would be seen in tonight's show."

yes that would be positive spin i guess, still i don't think all thats being said is wrong about bringing up debate. What i have more of a problem with is the suns front pages and people calling jade all names under the sun, and judging her as racist basically because it's sinking down to her level, i think c4 have not made whats happened much worse or much better, they've let it all unfold

i am not supporting jade in any way, i think shes just stupid and is responsable for her own downfall and probably deserves most of what she gets, i'm just say c4/bb in my eyes havn't changed much from what they normally do with the show

vandermeyde

eolhc wrote:

yes that would be positive spin i guess, still i don't think all thats being said is wrong about bringing up debate. What i have more of a problem with is the suns front pages and people calling jade all names under the sun, and judging her as racist basically because it's sinking down to her level, i think c4 have not made whats happened much worse or much better, they've let it all unfold

i am not supporting jade in any way, i think shes just stupid and is responsable for her own downfall and probably deserves most of what she gets, i'm just say c4/bb in my eyes havn't changed much from what they normally do with the show

agreed on that, its mostly a storm in a teacup over some pretty odious "celebs"....I reckon C4 have intervened (even if only slightly) to preserve the show's future as I reckon the media frenzy could have been enough to bring the franchise down if things were left unchecked...then again, some would call me a cynic

BaZmO*

Oh the irony! People complaining that a show called "Big Brother" is too controlling. Has nobody read 1984?

What next? People complaining that the 6 o'clock news is on at 6 and contains too much news?

SprostonGreen

More charm offensive from Endemol.....

http://www.channel4.com/bigbrother/news/newsstory.jsp?id=1305&articleMask=1

tuxy

BaZmO* wrote:

Oh the irony! People complaining that a show called "Big Brother" is too controlling. Has nobody read 1984?

Good point. I think this show is mostly aimed at people who read the sun or the mirror, not Orwell

Mr.Nice Guy

Anyone else expecting Davina to go really easy on her?

grimloch

Mr.Nice Guy wrote:

Anyone else expecting Davina to go really easy on her?

I was under the impression that the Davina interview, as well as the public eviction, had been cancelled.

Ping Chow Chi

indeed there will be no post-eviction press conference

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/6277875.stm

Looks like BB are trying their best to dig Jade out of the hole she dug herself....

BaZmO*

She will be interviewed by Davina but she won't be interviewed by the press, which ain't necessarily a bad thing from Endemol's point of view.

Terry

Current reports suggest that she will be evicted, briefed on the whole thing, interviewed by Davina and then she will face the press, albeit a select few reporters.

also, does anyone else find it funny that jack, a complete nobody who is only there because he is jade's boyfriend, will be left in the house after jade is gone?

i wonder will he stay and risk facing her wrath for not leaving with her, or will he pussy out and leave shortly after her.

Chinafoot

Just watching it now and saw Shilpa's statement in the diary room about how she "stands corrected" re: the racist claims.

It was quite possibly the most insincere thing ever. The girl has obviously been spoken to by producers and been informed of the international outrage over it. More than likely been told to play everything down.

No doubt Davina's interview will be a total whitewash. :rolleyes:

Ghost Train

Chinafoot wrote:

Just watching it now and saw Shilpa's statement in the diary room about how she "stands corrected" re: the racist claims.

It was quite possibly the most insincere thing ever. The girl has obviously been spoken to by producers and been informed of the international outrage over it. More than likely been told to play everything down.

No doubt Davina's interview will be a total whitewash. :rolleyes:

well the full apology type things doesn't really change what went before

like shilpa said there are things you say you cant take back

nicelives

Chinafoot wrote:

Just watching it now and saw Shilpa's statement in the diary room about how she "stands corrected" re: the racist claims.

It was quite possibly the most insincere thing ever. The girl has obviously been spoken to by producers and been informed of the international outrage over it. More than likely been told to play everything down.

No doubt Davina's interview will be a total whitewash. :rolleyes:

I know, it had to be officially pointed out to her twice over 24 hours before she copped that there might be a problem with her 'popadom' jibe. She apologised for exactly what BB told her to rather that the consistent bullying over the last couple of days, kind of depressing, but if it made Shilpa more relaxed over the last couple of days then maybe.

Actually it's also quite depressing that it was only after Carphone Warehouse pulled their money that BB started asking the b***hes what they meant by their actions.

Roar

the whole show tonight appears to be damage limitation on jades behalf.. its either jade apologising, jade crying, jade saying she expects to be booed (looking for sympathy), and now danielle apologising on jades behalf.

and IMO shes definately been told of the ramifications of her actions...

Villaricos

hmm... it appears we wont even get to see Jade leave, at least not live anyway, maybe a nice edited version in an hour before a nice scripted interview between Davina and Jade - talk about damage control!:rolleyes:

dSTAR

tubes wrote:

Regarding the delayed stream on E4. There has been a noticeable increase in the amount of editing in the last few days, i.e many of the conversations are being edited, that is, they cut the sound and replace it with backgound noise. They have total control over the content they want to the viewers to see/hear and have been using this control as best they can in the last few days....

Beginning to see why it was called Big Brother. :rolleyes:

Looks like they have their work cut out in the Ministry of Truth.

Terry

most people don't seem to understand that and would be baffled if you asked them who orsen wells was.






















yeah, i know it's george orwell. i just couldn't resist that.

Cormic

I am just watching the eviction interview and it is blatant that Jade has been briefed about what to expect in the interview. She had answers for ever single question. It even seemed to me that Jade was preempting questions from Davina.

She is far too composed for someone who was confronted about her bullying and raciest behavior.

Villaricos

of course she was briefed! sure she didnt even react to the fact that there was no crowd there!
anyone notice Davinas slip up when Jade said about apologising to Shilpa? Davina says "when Big Brother told you too" Jade was quick to talk over it! sure everyone knows that Jade isnt quick and couldnt have come up with those answers by herself on the spot! total farce the whole thing, damage control, thats all tonight was.

Terry

It was revealed in the news that she was going to be briefed about the whole racism row as soon as she left the house. this is no surprise.

i'll say again, davina asks the questions she is told to ask.

have any of you ever even read the book?

CiaranC

Sure they all read Orwell in snatches on their fag break in the factory and during the commercials during Coronation Street.

Terry

who are "they" and what exactly is your problem with factory work?

beneath you, is it?

Slimjim

Moderator, you can't be hatin'!


IT'S LIKE CELEBRITY BIG BROTHER IS HAPPENING RIGHT HERE!!!!!!!!!

Terry

I'm not a moderator on this forum and am subject to the same rules as every other user here.

I found the comments made by CiaranC to be very condescending and would love to see him explain his comments.

pokerwidow

julep wrote:

I'm not a moderator on this forum and am subject to the same rules as every other user here.

I found the comments made by CiaranC to be very condescending and would love to see him explain his comments.

Well said

kittex

BaZmO* wrote:

Oh the irony! People complaining that a show called "Big Brother" is too controlling. Has nobody read 1984?

What next? People complaining that the 6 o'clock news is on at 6 and contains too much news?

The point with Big Brother is that it should control what is going on in the house. The concept is that we watch people's reactions at the hand of BB. However, the remit or intention was never supposed to be to influence the public's thoughts.

What BB has done the past 2 days is totally out of order. They have obviously informed Jade and tried to alter the nature of the story following the reaction. This was never the remit of the show.
Her interview did nothing but prove she had been coached and prepared.

Cormic

kittex wrote:

Her interview did nothing but prove she had been coached and prepared.

Totally agree - I am not surprised that it happened though.

Mad_Max

I watched the "interview" last night, the first of this big brother i'd seen, and i had been told about and heard some of Jade's completely ridiculous statements but i heard something truely unbelievable last night.

Jade: "If I was a racist I would not have eaten anything like the curry."

Surely someone with that level of stupidity and ignorance to everything except herself and her "perafumes", as she calls them, should not be classed as a celebrity and should be shunned by the public.

All in all it was a terrible interview, Jade was clearly coached and prepared for.

P.S.
I remember some complaints being made about big brother before about sending already evicted housemates being sent back in. Complaints centered around c4 defrauding people who had paid to get someone evicted. Would it be possible that the communication between Jade and channel4 could be construde as fraud aswell as the whole concept of the show is that they have no communication with or knowledge of outside world

nicelives

Seems to be the case alright that she was coached and managed by the BB story writers

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=522506

Oryx

CiaranC wrote:

Sure they all read Orwell in snatches on their fag break in the factory and during the commercials during Coronation Street.

ooooh. beeatch.

Television always puts some sort of slant or bias on whatever it is showing. Thats inevitable. All this whole sorry mess does is show the viewers quite how blatant that bias can be.

Of course they're helping Jade. They may be rubbing their hands in glee at the amount of publicity, but at the same time they have to end the whole argument now, because if they dont it may call into question the acceptability of the whole BB circus. And that means briefing Jade et al, and putting the best possible slant on the row.