toyota supra

jobonar

hi,

a friend of mine has gone and paid to import a toyota supra from Japan. he hasnt thought anything through.

was just wondering if there is anything he should look out for when he gets it? potential problems etc....

all he knows is that its a 1994, 3litre, 40K miles and its black. he's paying 8000 for it, what would the VRT on it be?

second question,
he thinks he'll be able to get insured on it easily enuf(i've told him otherwise). will any insurance company in their right mind insure a 21yo male, provisional licence and an accident on his record on a 3litre car??

this is just to prove a point to him cos he's not listening to anyone!

thanks

Celticfire

When he's selling it tell him to give me a buzz.

Kimbot

He will not get insured and if he did it would be unreal money!!!

jobonar

thanks for the replies! keep them comin' he might be convinced yet!!

Joeface

not a hope in hell


(admit it theres no friend its u)

KTRIC

What part of Dublin is he living in ?

jobonar

god no its not me i'm not that stupid nor do i have 8000 to spend on a car.

he lives in ashbourne.

Kimbot

Also he would want to own a Garage to keep the think full of petrol!! Either that or win the lotto!!
Insurance companies won't insure you on a car over a certain BHP while on a provisional and I am sure that this is deffo one of them!!

Stephen

21 year old male, on a provisional, on a 3 litre sports car? Is he mental? And that's only assuming its not the insane twin turbo version.

jobonar

Stephen wrote:

21 year old male, on a provisional, on a 3 litre sports car? Is he mental? And that's only assuming its not the insane twin turbo version.

i believe it could be! he mentioned turbo but dunno if he said it was/wasn't i'll ask him later if it is!

@jonny thats what i keep telling him but he wont listen to reason. he lives away from home so he's got nobody to tell him to cop on!

Kimbot

Once he gets told no1 wil quote him then he will listen. My brother drives a 200sx and thats a hell of alot smaller engine and he was going through about 100 a week on petrol alone, then there is tax to consider and general maintenance on them is expensive!!

Kaskade

Supras are available a lot cheaper than that in the Uk and you will get a chance for a test drive,proper inspection and should get a decent amount of history to verify the milage.

He should pass his test then go looking at cars like this, A lot of supra's have no traction control and in a wet country like Ireland they require a bit of respect. Even if you get one with traction control its a bad system and can do more damage than good. Not great for inexperienced

On the other hand I had two non turbos and they were quick, sounded great and very reliable the only problems i ever had was the window washer motor going (on both) and rattles from the big tailgate but I belive theirs a quick fix for this now.

jobonar

jonny24ie wrote:

Once he gets told no1 wil quote him then he will listen. My brother drives a 200sx and thats a hell of alot smaller engine and he was going through about 100 a week on petrol alone, then there is tax to consider and general maintenance on them is expensive!!

he'll have to then but he thinks everything is rosey! what makes te petrol thing worse is that he lives in ashbourne and works in Santry so thats alota driving and alota petrol but as i said he hasn't thought about a thing...

he wont care about the tax, he tends not to tax cars but i reckon he won't get away with it this time cos the car will stand out a mile in Dublin.

Stephen

Your friend sounds like an asshole. A supra will be a garda magnet anyway, so he'll get caught for tax/insurance pretty quick.

Kimbot

He should be reported for not paying tax!!!

DrChoda

From what I recall, if there is an insurance company that will bother insuring him it will most likely be for about as much as the car is worth.
NA engine might not be as bad as a single turbo or tt, but it will still be extremely high. (if it isn't then let us all know!)
I suppose technically, an insurance company cannot deny him insurance based on his age, otherwise I think he can go after that insurance company. Their way around it is to quote high.

Yes, it will stand out here in Dublin, and he will want to tax it or he'll burned.
You might suggest he get a second job to pay for the insurance/maintenance/petrol, etc.

jobonar

Stephen wrote:

Your friend sounds like an asshole. A supra will be a garda magnet anyway, so he'll get caught for tax/insurance pretty quick.

he's actually a sound bloke but he just has nothing between his ears.

he was up in court last year for a couple of driving offences(no tax, failng to produce a licence, under-car neons.....) but got off on a technicality some how! this scared him for a while! he sold the car he was driving and bought a more sensible car but that lasted 3 weeks before he bought a new car! he learned nothing from being up in court

jobonar

DrChoda wrote:

From what I recall, if there is an insurance company that will bother insuring him it will most likely be for about as much as the car is worth.
NA engine might not be as bad as a single turbo or tt, but it will still be extremely high. (if it isn't then let us all know!)
I suppose technically, an insurance company cannot deny him insurance based on his age, otherwise I think he can go after that insurance company. Their way around it is to quote high.

Yes, it will stand out here in Dublin, and he will want to tax it or he'll burned.
You might suggest he get a second job to pay for the insurance/maintenance/petrol, etc.

its a single turbo btw

Gerry

The supra is a really great car, but I fear your friend will run into problems. You can calculate the vrt here
But that will be the least of his worries. I wouldn't anticipate any problems with the car itself, its only got 40k and has presumably been maintained. The insurance will be very difficult to get. I really doubt he'll get a quote straight off the bat. He could get a quote by following the procedure here
. Basically, if he asks 3 insurers for a quote, and none will quote, he can go back to the first one and they have to give a quote. As has been mentioned, it will probably cost as much to insure the car as to buy it.

Kaskade

AFAIK there was no single turbo made in 1994, so either its a heavily modified car with a huge single turbo replacing the twin turbo set up or he's got poor information

Biro

21, provisional and a crash looking for a quote on a 3 litre Jap import supra. Hmmm... he should try for a quote on the USS Enterprise also. Try for third party fire and theft... and tell them it's garaged! (When the insurance guys stop laughing about the supra that is).

Joeface

Link

8K on a car he cant get insured on , He could have any of the cars in the link attached an prob got insured for with very little hassle.
or 8K would have paid for a great weekend in Amsterdam.(better value for money any way)

jobonar

i dont think he's even thought about VRT!

o its quite possible the info he has isn't right!! he knows fuk all about the car! god knows what could be wrong with it!

jobonar

Biro wrote:

21, provisional and a crash looking for a quote on a 3 litre Jap import supra. Hmmm... he should try for a quote on the USS Enterprise also. (When the insurance guys stop laughing about the supra that is).

LOL brilliant! its so true tho! the more i think abut it the funnier its becomming!

Kimbot

Well ontop of VRT he has to pay VAT aswell!!!
Seriously he should get away from it now, if he doesn't have a clue about the charges etc then this is not for him!!

KTRIC

STATISTICAL CODE: 40480476 (Vehicle first registered in Japan)
MAKE: TOYOTA
MODEL: SUPRA ALL VERSIONS - STANDARD
VERSION: JZA80 02DR / SPORTS COUPE (NON-CONVERTIBLE) / MANUAL / PETROL ONLY /
MILEAGE: 40000 MILES

The information requested in respect of the vehicle shown is indicated below.
DATE OF FIRST REGISTRATION(MM/YY): JANUARY 1994
OPEN MARKET SELLING PRICE: (applicable on enquiry date) €4067
RATE OF TAX: 30.0%
VEHICLE REGISTRATION TAX: (payable on enquiry date) €1220


Am I missing something, the Revenue Comissoners seem to think this is only worth €4067 here.

Joeface

ah yes the Grey area between , Book price and sale price.

Gov Vrt thing using an assumed Deprecation scale ...doesnt take in to account ppl who have 8K to spend on a car they cant insure.

Biro

KTRIC wrote:

STATISTICAL CODE: 40480476 (Vehicle first registered in Japan)
MAKE: TOYOTA
MODEL: SUPRA ALL VERSIONS - STANDARD
VERSION: JZA80 02DR / SPORTS COUPE (NON-CONVERTIBLE) / MANUAL / PETROL ONLY /
MILEAGE: 40000 MILES

The information requested in respect of the vehicle shown is indicated below.
DATE OF FIRST REGISTRATION(MM/YY): JANUARY 1994
OPEN MARKET SELLING PRICE: (applicable on enquiry date) €4067
RATE OF TAX: 30.0%
VEHICLE REGISTRATION TAX: (payable on enquiry date) €1220


Am I missing something, the Revenue Comissoners seem to think this is only worth €4067 here.

Don't mind that, thats just the open market selling price. Thats usually very low. It doesn't take into account the actual price they're being bought for. If they started being cleared at a rate of 2 per week that price wouldn't be long increasing!
As the lads said, if it's a single turbo then it's modified. It's either N/A or twin turbo from the Toyota camp. Although there was a 2.0 sold in Japan so far as I know. A rare find though.

jobonar

its gonna end up costing him so much! i never thought about VAT. i take it thats 21% of the price paid? i'm gonna have so much fun telling him all this!

eh it is possible that its a twin turbo but at this stage he wont know anything for sure till its in the country!

KTRIC

jobonar wrote:

its gonna end up costing him so much! i never thought about VAT. i take it thats 21% of the price paid? i'm gonna have so much fun telling him all this!

eh it is possible that its a twin turbo but at this stage he wont know anything for sure till its in the country!

Its going to cost about €3500 for VAT and VRT and tax at €1100. Then he has to pay for insurance which could be nearly half the value of the car if not more.

He really, really didn't think this one out :rolleyes:

jobonar

KTRIC wrote:

Its going to cost about €3500 for VAT and VRT and tax at €1100. Then he has to pay for insurance which could be nearly half the value of the car if not more.

He really, really didn't think this one out :rolleyes:

crazy money!! didn't think the tax would be that high but now that i yhink about it it makes sense!

i really think the insurance will be alot more than half the cars value! it'll be more like 6/7 grand with his record! lol

no he didn't think it thru at all! he's gonna learn the hard way as always!

ando

haha, this is funny! Would love to see this guys face when you break the news to him

jobonar

ando wrote:

haha, this is funny! Would love to see this guys face when you break the news to him

looking forward to it myself but he still wont believe me!! he's always right.......

if he doesnt believe me then on his own head be it!!

Biro

There's no way he'll get insured. People say that you have to get insured if you try 3 places etc, but what actually happens is that you have to get a written refusal from three insurance companies to quote you presumably time and dated before you can do anything about pressing the issue. They'll fob him off before they give him a written refusal. And if you press one of them into insuring him, then they'll quote 10 grand or something silly.

tuxy

The poor guy is deluded but its not surprising he doesn't believe you or is in denial, since the only reason you are telling him is to rub it in his face.

bazz26

jobonar wrote:

he's actually a sound bloke but he just has nothing between his ears.

he was up in court last year for a couple of driving offences(no tax, failng to produce a licence, under-car neons.....) but got off on a technicality some how! this scared him for a while! he sold the car he was driving and bought a more sensible car but that lasted 3 weeks before he bought a new car! he learned nothing from being up in court

Sounds like he has more money than brains.

How anyone can buy a performance car without first getting an idea of how much insurance and running costs will be makes the mind boggle. He needs to grow up a bit.

Guy:Incognito

jobonar wrote:

he thinks he'll be able to get insured on it easily enuf(i've told him otherwise). will any insurance company in their right mind insure a 21yo male, provisional licence and an accident on his record on a 3litre car?

I'm 25 with 4 years ncb ,have my full licence 7 years and havent had a claim.. I just checked Hibernian and they are quoting me €1800 tpf&t and €2300 FC on a supra. Dont think your mate has much of a hope tbh.

Car Mad

Hes mad did you show him this thread:D
On a provisional no hope of insuring a 3 litre.Tax will be an obscene amount of money.Garda magnet exactly ( i assume that when hes 21 hes on his 2nd provisional?)If not the guards will put him off the road for driving unacompanied.

Rowley Birkin QC

It really is laughable that someone can buy a car like a supra with
1. provisional license
2.claims against him
3. no intention of taxing it

Is this guy for real or is this just an amusing thread for us to read?

layke

When I was 21 with a provisional license I got a quote on a 1.4 Civic for €4500 3rd party and that's 4 years back.

3ltr LOL.

However I know a bloke who has done it but he had a mate who put him under his garage policy for 3k. If he can do the same he'll need a full license.

He has NO other option.

Rowley Birkin QC

Ive been thinking some more about this and I really hope this guy doenst get on the road. Chances are if he is heppy to drive around with no tax he might decide to push his luck and try getting away with no insurance.

The country has enough idiot drivers in old bangers, nevermind untested chancers in 3.0ltr monsters like this.

zuutroy

Dont forget he also has to pay close to another 1000euro in duty.

m_stan

somebody mentioned that thi sguy has more money than sense. that may be true due to the obvious total lack of any intelligence he has, but that doesn't mean he's loaded.

if he's buying a car for 8k and he thinks that's all its going to cost him, and he has no idea of tax or insurance or running costs, he doesn't sound like he has lots of money. if he did, he'd be buying something in Ireland from a dealership.

so assuming he's not swimming in cash, he's gonna get seriously burnt on this one.

OP - is it too late for him to cancel the deal ? If not, he should.

zuutroy

To get it legally on the road, he wont see change from 17 grand

Cmar-Ireland

I had a '94 n/a Supra about 6 years ago. I was 26 at the time, and it was under a grand to insure. The weird thing was, the ins company (St. Pauls) said there was no difference in the premium for an n/a or tt.

Kersh

I have a 300zx TT , costs 12 euro to get from Swords to Clondalkin.... and 12 back. Supra is not gonna be much better.
Like has been said, if its a single turbo it either modified or the dope bought a very late jza70 model... now that would be funny...

Am I missing something, the Revenue Comissoners seem to think this is only worth €4067 here

SSShhhhh, its our secret......

zuutroy

Kersh wrote:

I have a 300zx TT , costs 12 euro to get from Swords to Clondalkin.... and 12 back.

Are you serious?! That sounds like you've got a problem, thats single digit miles to the gallon!

fletch

Kersh wrote:

I have a 300zx TT , costs 12 euro to get from Swords to Clondalkin.... and 12 back.

:eek: :eek: :eek: Do you stay in first gear all the way down the m50??? lol

Wossack

fletch wrote:

:eek: :eek: :eek: Do you stay in first gear all the way down the m50??? lol

think someones syphoning his fuel tank in clondalkin

Kersh

No, various runs I get about 9 - 13 mpg.
Auto 300zx TT, slight mods, nothing mega. It does a bit better on the open road. But trust me, it eats juice.
Both that I have owned do. Its just life, 3 litres , twin turbo and auto to boot!!
Costs 20 euro to get to Mondello ....

JohnCleary

Kersh - I hear ya, had an S14 Silvia for a while :eek:

OP: PM me when your mate realises what he's got into, ill buy the Supra off him (For a tenner)