Big Brother - Danielle - F*** off home

r3nu4l

So did anyone see Big Brother pull Danielle up over her comment that Shilpa should "F*** off home".

She was asked what she meant by that comment and you could see both of her brain cells jarring with the realisation that she had been caught out in a blatantly racist statement.

Now until yesterday, I had seen nothing to indicate racism, bullying yes, racism no! That comment however changes things for me but Danielles backtracking was comical to say the least.

"I don't remember saying it Big Brother but if you say I did, then I must have"..."Oh, I didn't mean it as in 'go home' just 'go home' but I don't want anyone to go home' WTF woman?

Totally caught out and you could see the worry on her face, not for causing offence but for what it would mean for her when leaving the house...the potential millions of pounds in publicity and sponsorship contracts draining through her fingers.

Then to top all of that, earlier in the day she was giving out that Shilpa didn't even speak good English :rolleyes: and was offended because Shilpa had suggested that Jade et al., needed elocution lessons

BaZmO*

r3nu4l wrote:

Now until yesterday, I had seen nothing to indicate racism, bullying yes, racism no! That comment however changes things for me

I'm exactly the same. I didn't think there were any racist comments up until I heard that. Strange that BB called her on it, don't think I've ever seen them do that. Probably damage limitation on their behalf.

de5p0i1er

Didn't Danielle once say about Shilpa "that she wants to be white" while she was bleaching her facial hair. Shes a racist bitch.

r3nu4l

^Did she? Wow, now that is racist. I wasn't aware of that, although now that you mention it it does vaguely ring a bell somewhere in the back of my addled brain.

I think BB does have to bring about some damage limitation. Perhaps the public vote this week will sort out some of the problems.

xzanti

Not sure if it can be classed as racism but Danille also gave Shilpa a dirty towel off the floor the other day to dry herself after she asked her to get her a clean one which was hanging in the bedroom... Dirty bitch, thats just out of order

BaZmO*

xzanti wrote:

Not sure if it can be classed as racism but Danille also gave Shilpa a dirty towel off the floor the other day to dry herself after she asked her to get her a clean one which was hanging in the bedroom... Dirty bitch, thats just out of order

Of course it's not racism. However, sometimes people's actions are of a direct result of their racist beliefs, but in this case I think she was just being a b1tch.

RAIN

I think big brother blew the lid by saying this to Danielle , instead of calling her on it they potentialy tipped her off and gave her the chance to do damage control .This in my view is cheating on big brothers behalf and gave Danielle the chance to see how she is being percieved by others .

r3nu4l

RAIN wrote:

I think big brother blow the lid by saying this to Danielle , instead of calling her on it they potentialy tipped her off and gave her the chance to do damage control .This in my view is cheating on big brothers behalf and gave Danielle the chance to see how she is being percieved by others .

Absolutely, BB and Channel4 know they are in deep do-do (always wanted to say that ) and this was a chance to give the dimwit an opportunity to begin toning it down a little...whether it will work or not is another story.

Vince135792003

RAIN wrote:

I think big brother blow the lid by saying this to Danielle , instead of calling her on it they potentialy tipped her off and gave her the chance to do damage control .This in my view is cheating on big brothers behalf and gave Danielle the chance to see how she is being percieved by others .

I agree. I bet she does a whole lot of damage control on tonights show.

humphty

Ah now in fairness Danielle is a total thick so she could hardly be expected to be blamed for her comments
Sure wasn't she convinced that Winston Churchill was the first black president of America. God love her

xzanti

Vince135792003 wrote:

I agree. I bet she does a whole lot of damage control on tonights show.

Oh yeah sure on the website yesterday they had snipetts of Danielle letting Shilpa do her hair and hugging her and telling her how much she "really likes her" Stomach churning stuff... I think what we saw last night was probably the peak of it all...

RAIN

Aparently she tries to smooth things over early in tonights show , shes seems to be in denial everythime she is alone with shilpa talking as if she is on her side . Shes probably convinced that she is not a bad person and her comments with the girls are harmless .In every possible sense she makes me vomit .

Mexicola

Couldn't be bothered typing the same stuff out
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055036489&page=2

Terry

I'm gonna play devil's advocate here and say that Danielle is just a really poorly educated girl with little life experience.

i would also like to point out the following:

shilpa and Jermaine discussing Jermaine's first marriage:

Shilpa: was she black?
Jermaine: (without batting an eyelid) Of course!

and this (which sort of made me laugh)

Jermaine: I was praying to Allah
Shilpa: (with a look that can be described as a mixture of disbelief and disgust, but more disbelief) Who?
Jermain: My god.
Shilpa: Oh. ok.

again, not racist, just they way both of them were brough up and things that are natural to them.

r3nu4l

I can see where you're coming from julep but just because they don't know any better does not mean they are not racist. Ignorance is no excuse imo.

The real point is that people like Danielle, Jo and Jade make no effort to educate themselves in any way, never mind educating themselves as to what is racist or not.

A comment like "F**k off home" is undeniably racist and even the dimmest person can see that...as evidenced by Danielles reaction when asked about it

I agree that Jermaine's 'of course' statement is racist and as I've said before he constantly refers to colour every chance he gets. I'm surprised he didn't object to the afro wigs for the Jackson 5 task!

BaZmO*

julep wrote:

i would also like to point out the following:

shilpa and Jermaine discussing Jermaine's first marriage:

Shilpa: was she black?
Jermaine: (without batting an eyelid) Of course!

and this (which sort of made me laugh)

Jermaine: I was praying to Allah
Shilpa: (with a look that can be described as a mixture of disbelief and disgust, but more disbelief) Who?
Jermain: My god.
Shilpa: Oh. ok.

again, not racist, just they way both of them were brough up and things that are natural to them.

What's that got to do with anything?

Eamo71

RAIN wrote:

I think big brother blow the lid by saying this to Danielle , instead of calling her on it they potentialy tipped her off and gave her the chance to do damage control .This in my view is cheating on big brothers behalf and gave Danielle the chance to see how she is being percieved by others .

There's something fishy about Danielle's sudden repentance. Whatever way they edited it.... i doubt she suddely realised she'd done something wrong. Something else must've been said that was edited out. In other words she's been tipped off.

She also lied when she told BB that she didn;t enjoy the row. After the row she told the other two whores "That was the highlight of my day".

Repentace my backside she's only interested in PR.

I reqally hope Jade's career is over after last night. She is vile!

Mexicola

Eamo71 wrote:

I really hope Jade's career is over after last night. She is vile!

Agreed. I really hope she disappears down the same hole she crawled out of in the first place. Game or not, she has proved herself to be a bitch of epic proportions! Uuughhhh...

BangBeater

Yeah, Jo/Danielle/Jade. They do no justice at all for the english female population. Thick as 3 planks.

fitz

A broad sweeping statement claiming that Indians are thin because they undercook their food and are always sick can hardly be dismissed as a clash of class or culture, as the producers are trying to do.

It's racism, plain and simple.
People should be kicked out long before it got to the stage it has.
I think Jade, Danielle and Jo can kiss goodbye to their "careers".

Fingleberries

Eamo71 wrote:

There's something fishy about Danielle's sudden repentance. Whatever way they edited it.... i doubt she suddely realised she'd done something wrong. Something else must've been said that was edited out. In other words she's been tipped off.

She also lied when she told BB that she didn;t enjoy the row. After the row she told the other two whores "That was the highlight of my day".

Repentace my backside she's only interested in PR.

Yeah - Repentance is being sorry for doing something and stopping it. It doesn't mean being sorry that you're caught.
She looked like she'd just been caught with her hand in the cookie jar, and still tried to deny it.

Although I don't know why they singled her out to call her up on it - the other two were equally bad.

I wouldn't go so far to say that it was all racism. More likely that it was Ignorance, Jealousy and being seriously catty.

They're intimidated by the fact that Shilpa is
1. Very pretty
2. Talented - she has accomplished something with her life
3. Well educated
4. Wealthy
5. Actually has class

What have the others accomplished between them?
- Appeared in Big Brother, and is famous for being thick.
- Been in a successful manufactured band and disappeared into obscurity
- Been a footballers missus (until he trades her in for the next model) and appeared in Nuts magazine.

They're so jealous they attack anything that's different in Shilpa, because that's all they're capable of. What can they fault her on?

Good riddence the lot of them - I can't believe I've watched enough of the show to comment on it. :-(

I think Channel 4 are right to show it as it is, and not edit it out, because otherwise people would go on and vote to save the three witches becasue they like Jade, Danielle and Jo and there's no way that they'd ever do anything bad.

RAIN

Because the other two ARE bullying Shilpa but Danielle is the one who is using comments like shes a Dog ,wants to be white etc etc so big brother are trying to protect/stop her from going any further then she already has .Il say it again big brother is cheating by doing this. ALSO why werent her and Jade punished for not voteing for Carol or Cleo ?and why is Danielle only mad at shilpa and not Joe for voteing ?I know this is off topic but i wasenty realy watching it at the very start .

eth0_

fitz wrote:

A broad sweeping statement claiming that Indians are thin because they undercook their food and are always sick can hardly be dismissed as a clash of class or culture, as the producers are trying to do.

It's racism, plain and simple.
People should be kicked out long before it got to the stage it has.
I think Jade, Danielle and Jo can kiss goodbye to their "careers".

How ironic that the very show that launched Jade's "career" is now going to (hopefully) destroy it. Jade Goody makes me sick. I was aghast at the way she tore into Shilpa last night. And the way she kept on screaming and ranting and thumping things after Shilpa had left the room just shows how unhinged she is. She is scum, pure and simple.

And how funny that she screams "YOU'RE A LIAR!" at Shilpa! Yes Jade, and you didn't have liposuction instead of actually losing weight through your new fitness DVD. lol.

Just as worrying as this blatant racism on her behalf, is the fact that she is held up as a role model by certain sectors of society. Is it any wonder we have so many stupid chav young people around? I'm only 25 and in only ten years it's amazing how such a large section of society are flushing their lives down the toilet.

hallelujajordan

fitz wrote:

A broad sweeping statement claiming that Indians are thin because they undercook their food and are always sick can hardly be dismissed as a clash of class or culture, as the producers are trying to do.

It's racism, plain and simple.
People should be kicked out long before it got to the stage it has.
I think Jade, Danielle and Jo can kiss goodbye to their "careers".

Absolutely . . I don't buy any of this BS trying to disguise their behaviour as stupidity or ignorance. . . It is racism typical of the English tabloid culture and it should not be accepted . .

Last night Jade called Shilpa the "princess of Neverland" FFS ? ??

Mr.Nice Guy

eth0_ wrote:

How ironic that the very show that launched Jade's "career" is now going to (hopefully) destroy it.

I was thinking the same thing. Let's hope it does finish her career. It's a fitting end for a talentless piece of garbage. You can just see her a few week's from now on This Morning or something trying to make amends with the world...

"I fink I was misrespisentred."

SprostonGreen

Mr.Nice Guy wrote:

I was thinking the same thing. Let's hope it does finish her career. It's a fitting end for a talentless piece of garbage. You can just see her a few week's from now on This Morning or something trying to make amends with the world...

"I fink I was misrespisentred."

Make no mistake, Max Clifford will go into overdrive. But the sad thing is folks, the pigface talentless trollop will bounce back. Heat, Now et al will run features on her and the Sun will bail her out too.

Ghost Train

RAIN wrote:

Because the other two ARE bullying Shilpa but Danielle is the one who is using comments like shes a Dog ,wants to be white etc etc so big brother are trying to protect/stop her from going any further then she already has .Il say it again big brother is cheating by doing this. ALSO why werent her and Jade punished for not voteing for Carol or Cleo ?and why is Danielle only mad at shilpa and not Joe for voteing ?I know this is off topic but i wasenty realy watching it at the very start .

I think she crossed a line where bb had to imply what she was saying wasn't on. I don't think danielle even understands what she said sounded racist even after bb talked to her, maybe she did, i don't think she is fundamentally racist as such just a bully. What she has being saying is disrespectful etc.

By not voting for carol, they were voting for cleo, wheather they liked it or not, if the vote was closer and they refused to vote, they would have probably been made vote or punished etc

Danielle used shilpa voting for carol as an excuse for getting mad at her. Danielle was very drunk when she was fighting with shilpa and basically thought shilpa was talking down to her or giving out to her for her behaviour. Danielle had been giving shilpa the cold shoulder or ignoring her or something

The Saint

From an interview with Danielle:

I am not a politician but...

If I was, I'd get more people into work and stop people coming into the country. There's so many people who come into England because they know they can get benefits. People who already live here should get the jobs. But I don't really know much about politics.

http://news.independent.co.uk/people/profiles/article1963221.ece

Maybe "f*ck off home" may take on a new meaning.

kittex

The comments directed at Shilpa haven't been race based, however the comments the girls say behind her back, reveal an undercurrent of intolerance.

From Jackey referring to her as "the indian" and claiming she couldn't understand what her name was about, to the comments about eating with her fingers, not knowing where Shilpa's fingers have been - dangerous. I'm glad Danielle said that alst night, because it was more overt and brought that out into the light a bit.

It's sad but true that in Britain this is what goes on. The only thing that appears to have chnaged in the last 10 years is that people are better at hiding it. They know it's socially unacceptable to speak that way, but it doesn't stop them thinking it and saying it in their homes.
I work with young people and it's true they don't have the stop on themselves adults do. They say the things they hear at home and I am constantly shocked and saddened by the attitude to all races. One parent in the school I teach in complained that her child was being educated with too many "Chinquies" and another pupil was concered I'd be "talking up the 'RA" to them.

Ridiculous.

Terry

BaZmO* wrote:

What's that got to do with anything?

It's got to do with the fact that Jermaine obviously never even considered being with a white woman, judging by the tone of his voice and the swiftness of his responce when asked if his first wife was black and also that Shilpa automaticially assumed that jermaine was not muslim because he is american.

there are two sides to every story. I just though that I would highlight the underlying racism of the so called victims and throw a spin on Danielles comment.

think about what they said for a minute and then look at the hypocrisy of this whole joke of an issue.

SprostonGreen

julep wrote:

It's got to do with the fact that Jermaine obviously never even considered being with a white woman, judging by the tone of his voice and the swiftness of his responce when asked if his first wife was black and also that Shilpa automaticially assumed that jermaine was not muslim because he is american.

there are two sides to every story. I just though that I would highlight the underlying racism of the so called victims and throw a spin on Danielles comment.

think about what they said for a minute and then look at the hypocrisy of this whole joke of an issue.

TBH, I think you are inferring that there is underlying racism there, when there may not be. I did notice that Jermaine replied swiftly that his wife was black.

But if you think about it, it was the late 60's/early 70's when they were dating(from what I can remember) the social landscape of the US was much different then, he may well have said that no white girl would be permitted to date a black guy then.

I'm not saying that you're wrong and a different angle is good to look at, but its not obvious to me.

kittex

julep wrote:

It's got to do with the fact that Jermaine obviously never even considered being with a white woman, judging by the tone of his voice and the swiftness of his responce when asked if his first wife was black

He got married when he was a teenager - he may have meant "of course, it was 25 years ago". Inter-racial marriages were really not common and he was talking about what it was like for him, at that time. He said he did everything his parents told him to - he may have been referring to their generational values, insisting he married a black woman.

julep wrote:

and also that Shilpa automaticially assumed that jermaine was not muslim because he is american.

You don't know why she assumed this. It could be she was surprised because Michael is always making Christian statements. Or because the Jackson family are not Muslim. Jermaine converted recently.

Terry

yeah, i see where you both are coming from on the black/ white relations in america 30 years ago. i had forgotten about that side of things. it was just the was Jermaine answered the question that threw me and the look on Shilpa's face when she realised that Jermaine was muslim.
also, what does it matter whether his wife was black or white or pink or whatever? the thing is that it shouldn't. w are being fed news reports that racism based on skin colour in virtually non existant in India, yet here is Shilpa asking about the colour of another persons skin.
then there's the caste system, but let's keep that one under the table.

anyway, on a lighter note, i was just flicking through the channels and saw an indian woman eating some rice and some meat with her hands on blue peter. mildly amusing considering recent events. they were actually in Oman, but i can see some of the dimmer viewers going 'oh look, Danielle was totally right'.

Lemming

kittex wrote:

The comments directed at Shilpa haven't been race based, however the comments the girls say behind her back, reveal an undercurrent of intolerance.

To give racism its more "official" title ... "racial intolerance".

Intolerance = intolerance. Which is exactly what racism is. A form of intolerance.

From watching youtube clips, there's been very little in the way of overt racism and a lot more of the subconscious, snide, sniping variety being thrown about. Which is much more sinister and malign.

So saying "the comments haven't been race-based" is misleading. Many comments have. Just not deliberately so.

scoot on

Lemming wrote:

To give racism its more "official" title ... "racial intolerance".

Intolerance = intolerance. Which is exactly what racism is. A form of intolerance.

From watching youtube clips, there's been very little in the way of overt racism and a lot more of the subconscious, snide, sniping variety being thrown about. Which is much more sinister and malign.

So saying "the comments haven't been race-based" is misleading. Many comments have. Just not deliberately so.

What about Jermaines comment that Jackie and Jade were "white trash"

Is that not racist?

Personally i think the whole thing has been blown out of proportion. I think it is a complete difference in culture that is causing the friction. On top of that it's probably Jades craving for attention that is driving her behaviour more so than any underlying racial believes!

CodeMonkey

scoot on wrote:

What about Jermaines comment that Jackie and Jade were "white trash"

Is that not racist?

Errrm, that's just biggotry towards a lower class of people based on the common behaviour of people from the background. Kinda like people's distaste towards scumbags or chavs like Jade. It's biggotry, not racism.

Fingleberries

To give racism its more "official" title ... "racial intolerance".

Intolerance = intolerance. Which is exactly what racism is. A form of intolerance.

OK, but while Racism is a form of intolerance not all forms of intolerance are Racism.
Not to take this into a different philosophical direction, but I do think that there is an important difference

If they were treating 'H', Cleo or Dirk in the same manner they would be considered Ignorant and Intollerant, but because they are treating Shilpa that way it is immediately classed as Racism. It's like any argument skips straight past calling them Intolerant and goes straight to Racist.

Note: I'm not defending them in any way. It makes me sick the way the three of them have behaved and I would feel exactly the same way if they had treated any of the other contestants with the same disdain.

Terry

CodeMonkey wrote:

Errrm, that's just biggotry towards a lower class of people based on the common behaviour of people from the background. Kinda like people's distaste towards scumbags or chavs like Jade. It's biggotry, not racism.

so it's bigotry if a black man calls someone white trash, but it's racism if a white peson says something insulting to someone with dark skin?

ok. that's sounds about right.

Lemming

julep wrote:

so it's bigotry if a black man calls someone white trash, but it's racism if a white peson says something insulting to someone with dark skin?

ok. that's sounds about right.

Learn the distinction julep.

The term "white trash" is a reference to a particular type of person; typically stereo-typed as being utterly, utterly pig ignorant and all too happy to wallow in it whilst making a spectacle of themselves in any given situation.

Calling someone a "poppadum" or a dog (in the context it was said), or the snide remarks about eating with ones hands and not knowing where they've been, or all indians being skinny because they undercook their food, etc. is a direct reference to culture or race. Which is racial intolerance.

And to answer a previous posters assertion/question; not all forms of intolerance are racial. But racism is a form of intolerance.

Incidentally, I agree that the whole thing is a storm in a tea-cup, but it's like watching a bad train-wreck. You can't help but look. Although it would be sweet, sweet, poetic justice if this spelled the end of several talentless f*cktards, and what little credibility this spawn-of-satan show (and its ilk) has with the lowest common denominator public (in that it's breaking its own rules to "help" certain contestants)

dSTAR

I was absolutely gob-smacked when I saw a clip of this incident on the news. The thing that really struck me was not just how trashy Danielle sounded but how she is allowed to stay in the house after such apparent racial vilification.

It again shows up how cheap and nasty Big Brother really is and how this form of racism never really went away but remains bubbling away below the surface. Irish people have long been on the receiving end of this particularly nasty stick and remarks like this should be shown up for what they are.

It is not that long since any Irish person in England were subjected to signs which read....

No Blacks, No Irish, No Dogs!

when seeking accommodation. How different are this girls prejudicial remarks?

Terry

Lemming wrote:

Learn the distinction julep.

The term "white trash" is a reference to a particular type of person; typically stereo-typed as being utterly, utterly pig ignorant and all too happy to wallow in it whilst making a spectacle of themselves in any given situation.

Calling someone a "poppadum" or a dog (in the context it was said), or the snide remarks about eating with ones hands and not knowing where they've been, or all indians being skinny because they undercook their food, etc. is a direct reference to culture or race. Which is racial intolerance.

And to answer a previous posters assertion/question; not all forms of intolerance are racial. But racism is a form of intolerance.

Incidentally, I agree that the whole thing is a storm in a tea-cup, but it's like watching a bad train-wreck. You can't help but look. Although it would be sweet, sweet, poetic justice if this spelled the end of several talentless f*cktards, and what little credibility this spawn-of-satan show (and its ilk) has with the lowest common denominator public (in that it's breaking its own rules to "help" certain contestants)

The black alternative of "white trash" in America is "ghetto trash".
Do you honestly believe that anyone would get away with the term "black trash"?

My point here is that because of bleeding heart liberals, black on white racism is overlooked for fear of offending black people.

It seems to me that rather than the equality sought by people like Martin Luther King Jr., we now have a society where white people are allowed to be called racist names and not allowed to complain about it, but if you say anything wrong about a black person, then you are immediately labelled racist, not matter what the comment may be.
She's not black, but does have dark skin, but calling someone a dog in any context is not in the least bit racist. Crass? Yes, but definitely not racist.

as for the poppadom comment, I just put that down to Jade being a complete and utter eejit. Am I racist for saying that? after all, her father is black.

Cracker, anyone?

BaZmO*

dSTAR wrote:

It is not that long since any Irish person in England were subjected to signs which read....

No Blacks, No Irish, No Dogs!

And have we learned from this? Our recent treatment of immigrants in this country and indeed the Traveller community would suggest not. People can be ássholes in any country.

Livvie

Jade has been racist, but not intentionally or maliciously so. I don't think she's intelligent enough to understand how her remarks would be perceived. But she is a bully, and she should be taken to task for this.

Danielle is the worst racist in there, making remarks like "She wants to be white." She's really not a nice person - she laughed after the argument and said she enjoyed it, and praised Jade. If one of my friends behaved like a demented fishwife in public I'd be mortified. Jo wasn't much better, saying it made her day.

Shilpa has behaved with dignity throughout. OK, she might not be everyone's cup of tea, and some people think she acts superior, but at least she knows how to behave in public. I know who out of the four women involved, that I would prefer to see as a role model anyway. (Clue - she isn't English. )

Terry

BaZmO* wrote:

And have we learned from this? Our recent treatment of immigrants in this country and indeed the Traveller community would suggest not. People can be ássholes in any country.

Indeed.
I was in a cab last night and the conversation turned to work.
The driver informed me that his work was slow because the Poles are doing all the work now and they don't use cabs. "But the majority of them are not on sites. they are all doing factory work because it's a steady wage". Makes sense to me.
He then proceeded to tell me about the 17 years he had spent working in america.

assholes indeed.

dSTAR

julep wrote:

...The driver informed me that his work was slow because the Poles are doing all the work now and they don't use cabs...

Sounds all too familiar.

So now it is the Poles who are coming in here taking our jobs?

Its the very same here only it is Asian people stealing Aussie jobs. Never mind the fact that most Australians wouldn't be caught dead doing the work.

Flat out prejudice.

BaZmO*

Bloody foreigners coming over here taking the jobs we don't want!!!

Terry

I know. It's an absolute disgrace.

Mr.Nice Guy

BaZmO* wrote:

And have we learned from this? Our recent treatment of immigrants in this country and indeed the Traveller community would suggest not. People can be ássholes in any country.

Eh? What's wrong with our treatment of immigrants? I must have missed the race riots that have been widespread across this country.

Tens of thousands of immigrants come into this country every month and you don't see BNP-type groups over here running their mouths.

You're right - people can be ássholes in any country but I think we're far more tolerant than most of our European neighbours.

damnyanks

The uk has had people migrating there for decades, you have 3rd generation immigrants.

10 years ago very few immigrants came to Ireland. Even when I come back to Dublin I notice how "white" the place is.

So basically the uk has had time for its hate to get to the point of having people like the BNP etc. who knows what Ireland will be like.

Personally I'm not really surprised about Jade's antics. Her persona is within a minority of english people who activley make comments which they must link to nationality / race. Generally though the people who do it are sort of like jade

i.e either have self-confidence issues or not very inteligent - or at least giving that impression.

BaZmO*

Ever seen the front page of the Evening Herald? Or listening to a Taxi Driver in full flow? Or stood in a Chinese takeaway after chucking out time?

I'm not saying all Irish people are racist, just like I'm not saying all English people are racist too.

Racist behaviour is part of the the human psyche regardless of your geographical location, just like ássholes.

Mr.Nice Guy

BaZmO* wrote:

Ever seen the front page of the Evening Herald? Or listening to a Taxi Driver in full flow? Or stood in a Chinese takeaway after chucking out time?

I see what you're saying. Actually I've witnessed it up close a few times but it's not the mainstream Irish opinion, it's the odd Irish arsehole opinion.

BaZmO* wrote:

I'm not saying all Irish people are racist, just like I'm not saying all English people are racist too.

Fair enough but with your use of the words 'we' and 'our' you can see why I thought that's what you were saying. But I agree with your sentiments.