Darren Sutherland Medal hope?

pjbrady1

What are peoples opinions of Darren Sutherland. I seen him fighting a Scottish boxer last year, he knocked the guy out in the second round with a B52 bomber of a straight right. Guy has got big powerful looking shoulders. Reckon he will be hard stopped at Olympics, but he might be more suited as a professional with longer rounds to guarantee victory.
It would be great to have a national hero again.

mickoo

Darren is a good boxer and is 1 of our big hopes alright-this is going to be a wait and se though-he will do pro boxing after olympics and he'll do o'k..

megadodge

I reckon he's more suited to the pros and while he has plenty of skill I can't see him beating the top tall, long-armed, "fencing" amateurs of Eastern Europe and Cuba and I think he'll be doing well to qualify for the Olympics.

henryb

Darens a good boxer alright and hes a very big puncher.
i remember that fight against the scottish guy last year,
wasnt it televised??
He actually got knocked out himself i think in the europeans
against the russian guy not long after that!

pjbrady1

It was shown on a BBC programme looking through boxing on a saturday morning.
The right hander was class, his opponent continued on with the right hand and the punch didn't seem to slow down.
Scot was way out of his depth though, he looked like a pasty college student.

Grace-xxxxxxx

I know Darren well and have followed his carrer from the start of this come back .....this guy has amazing skill and since last week ,never mind last yr ...he has pushed above the odds ....recovering from a serious eye injury last yr ...to now being one of our best prospects for an olympic gold medal

The guy has amazing ability...his straight right punch does damage for sure but this guy has killer body punches....the guys he will meet at this yrs world championships will have extreem difficulty in takin his chances of a gold from him ......

I spoke to him this morning ...he is in the zone!!!

im telling u its gold for our boxer this yr!!!!!

walshb

henryb wrote: »

Darens a good boxer alright and hes a very big puncher.
i remember that fight against the scottish guy last year,
wasnt it televised??
He actually got knocked out himself i think in the europeans
against the russian guy not long after that!

Darren got KO'd?

Grace-xxxxxxx

Okay let me educate you on that......Darren was put in to that fight after continuous training and competitions......totally back to back....he was beyond exhausted ......

I'm not making excuses for him I'm telling the facts.....He didn't want to box as he knew he wasn't right.....anyways....i've seen the footage and could see myself what happened....

To be honest the Russian is brilliant....Darren is aware this boy has skill.... I spoke to Darren earlier today and he was telling me all the other countries are arriving as the week progresses on ....he is 100% confident on qualification ...and I back that up 200%!!......I have been following his training closely all yr and watched him improve more and more.....the Russian is good..in fact he's great .....which will make Darren appear even greater when he beats him........I don't think it necessary to play Darren up any more than I have done ....the facts will speak for themselves ...keep your eye on the news * That was one incident,, Darren has proved himself time and time again he was last ranked when I checked a few weeks ago #7 in the world..... the boy is a born champion!!!!!

As I had said.........the facts are we are in 2007....so I feel this is the year we should be concentrating on ....that knockout people speak of happened ......last year!!

Also Darren is the E.U Champion....again facts speak for themselves!!!....:D*

stagolee

Grace-xxxxxxx wrote: »

Okay let me educate u on that......Darren was put in to that fight after continuous training and competitions......totally back to back....he was beyond exhausted ......

I'm not making excuses for him I'm telling the facts.....He didn't want to box as he knew he wasn't right.....anyways....i've seen the footage and could see myself what happened....

To be honest the Russian is brilliant....Darren is aware this boy has skill.... i spoke to Darren earlier today and he was telling me all the other countries are arriving as the week progresses on ....he is 100% confident on qualification ...and i back that up 200%!!......i have been following his training closely all yr and watched him improve more and more.....the Russian is good..in fact he's great .....which will make Darren appear even greater when he beats him........I don't think it necessary to play Darren up any more than i have done ....the facts will speak for themselves ...keep your eye on the news * That was one incident,, Darren has proved himself time and time again he was last ranked when i checked a few weeks ago #7 in the world..... the boy is a born champion!!!!!

As i had said.........the facts are we are in 2007....so i feel this is the year we should be concentrating on ....that knockout people speak of happened ......last year!!

Also Darren is the E.U Champion....again facts speak for themselves!!!....:D*

He looks like he just poked himself in the eye in that picture

Grace-xxxxxxx

hahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahaha...suppose he does really!!

But surely when the guy wins how he does he can do what he wants

makl

here what was the craic wit him gettin stick after winnin las nite? he won fair n square are poeple not happy we're doin so well at this weight wit lee n duddy already pro now another two decent contenders?

JMCD

I think that its just that Darren comes across as being slightly arrogant and cocky. I think maybe thats what people dont like.

I also noticed when he mentioned how hard he trained over christmas and his diet etc he got booed.....it was as if the crowd were saying "Yea we know what you had to do.......but so did every other fighter and they arent blowing their tumphet about it".Thats the way I see it.

Personally on a boxing level I thought he was very impressive.

jayroyal

ye too cocky and god he never shuts up going on about himself thats why he got booed

efb

Sutherlands's arragonce doesn't appeal to the boxing fraternity.
He may qualify for the olympics, he won't win a medal.

akindoc

yep he needs to work on that. he comes accross VERY UNLIKEABLE.

alanceltic

Was at the stadium last night and OH MY GOD does this lad need a crash course in PR!!! It was a great fight and was the highlight of an otherwise poor night, too many one sided contests! Im sure it meant a lot to him to win but if he had a slice of humble pie it would go a long way, its the type of arrogance that will ultimately be his undoing if he doesnt sort it out and quick.... he should take a leaf out of his opponents book, ONeill was uncomfortable with the boos being directed at Sutherland and done a good job in getting the crowd to show some sort of respect and then Sutherland goes on for more self gratification and goes back to square 1 with the crowd on his back and hes wondering why..... a good talent no doubt, wont win a medal in my opinion (and is unlikely to even qualify for olympics) but could do something in the pro ranks. JJ Joyce on the other hand, now theres a kid who shined on the night!

walshb

Darren is good, but I don't think a medal is realistic. I persoanlly don't think
he'll qualify. I wish him well in trying, but from what I have seen, he's not good enough at the TOP level.....

He was taken very close by O'Neill who IMO should have beaten Darren.

O'Neill it seemed lacked the passion and commitment to carve out the win..

His focus got lost and it was like he was in survival mode for the last 2 rds...

Credit to Darren who really piled on the pressure, but O'Neill didn't impress me
with his passion and desire. He has the skills and speed and moves, but there
was simply a lack of WILL....That's what I thought when I watched the fight

efb

walshb wrote: »

Darren is good, but I don't think a medal is realistic. I persoanlly don't think
he'll qualify. I wish him well in trying, but from what I have seen, he's not good enough at the TOP level.....

He was taken very close by O'Neill who IMO should have beaten Darren.

O'Neill it seemed lacked the passion and commitment to carve out the win..

His focus got lost and it was like he was in survival mode for the last 2 rds...

Credit to Darren who really piled on the pressure, but O'Neill didn't impress me
with his passion and desire. He has the skills and speed and moves, but there
was simply a lack of WILL....That's what I thought when I watched the fight

From where I was watching it (ringside, just behind the blue corner) I felt that it was O'Neill's lack of fight sharpness that let him down. I reckon the injury lay off cost him dearly.

My God but Sutherland needs to stop believing his own hype.

jayroyal

o neills fitness and ring rust from hiss injury let him down i still beieve o neill is the best of the two but again got ulucky with his injuries.

Grace-xxxxxxx

Okay with regards to o'niell ..... people forget that he alongside darren trains in the stadium ..has gone to all training camps with sutherland- the fact he didn't win is his lack of heart for it .... it in my opinion was won before they entered the ring

As for darren having confidence in his ability ?? the people who have a problem with that are pure haters!! ...and with regard to his speech about training - if people had got their head past being sore loosers they would have understood Sutherlands point .... training over xmas twice a day ,6 days a wk is beyond difficult and he was bringing light to the fact that everyone of those boxers who entered that championship had a horrible time @ christmas ...so to step into the stadium regardless of who won, they all did amazing !!

Irish people are unbelievable !!!! never happy !! Darren has proved himself time and time again ... he more than owns his position on the irish squad

people speak on boxing like they have a clue ...unless there is boxer material in those empty vessels who like to make so much noise just stay quiet!

Darren will quailify for the olympics im sure ... but its lovely to see the irish support their own !! The man has come back from injury , defeated his rival, won us gold medals , ranked in the top 10 in the world ... most likely training himself sick while people spend their time spitting bloody venom on boards.ie... he was a pure gent towards o'niell when he won ..... the joke was the man didn't get credit for his boxing ability he got booed by the crowd before,during and after he proved his piont !!

jealously is a serious illness kids.... get well soon!!!!:p

AckwelFoley

akindoc wrote: »

yep he needs to work on that. he comes accross VERY UNLIKEABLE.

i completely 100% disagree.

Besides who cares.. its boxing not Ms World

Grace-xxxxxxx

Hahahahahhahaha Thats Right !!!

walshb

Darren is a credit to the sport and was a deserving winner who really piled on the pressure and showed his class in rds 3 & 4.....

I don't think he is a medal hope and I doubt he will make Beijing.
He's good, but not Olympic class IMO and O'Neil I felt had the talent, but
somehow he lacked the will and focus and determination to win that title.

It looked like he almost gave up and was resigned to simply
surviving towards the end....

AckwelFoley

walshb wrote: »

Darren is a credit to the sport and was a deserving winner who really piled on the pressure and showed his class in rds 3 & 4.....

I don't think he is a medal hope and I doubt he will make Beijing.
He's good, but not Olympic class IMO and O'Neil I felt had the talent, but
somehow he lacked the will and focus and determination to win that title.

Isnt he ranked high in the world rankings? That should be a good indicater to his ability, which i am sure is good enough to be within the olympic standard.

Big Ears

snyper wrote: »

Isnt he ranked high in the world rankings? That should be a good indicater to his ability, which i am sure is good enough to be within the olympic standard.

Yes he is in the World's top 10 , he's good enough to make the Olympics but for some reason I get the feeling he is going to lose in the qualifiers . Whether he makes it or not he won't medal............but he could become a very good pro .


The good news for Sutherland is there is a quota of 6 places remaining at Middleweight for European boxers in the Olympics . This means he only has to medal at either the first Olympics qualifiers(in Italy in Februrary) or medal in the 2nd Qualifiers(which will have most of the contestants from the first minus the top 3 and including/discluding those who were/are injured) .

Theoretically he can lose 3 qualifier fights and still make the Olympics .

AckwelFoley

Big Ears wrote: »

Yes he is in the World's top 10 , he's good enough to make the Olympics but for some reason I get the feeling he is going to lose in the qualifiers . Whether he makes it or not he won't medal............but he could become a very good pro .


The good news for Sutherland is there is a quota of 6 places remaining at Middleweight for European boxers in the Olympics . This means he only has to medal at either the first Olympics qualifiers(in Italy in Februrary) or medal in the 2nd Qualifiers(which will have most of the contestants from the first minus the top 3 and including/discluding those who were/are injured) .

Theoretically he can lose 3 qualifier fights and still make the Olympics .

Yea, ok i agree while i feel he will make the olympics, i personally think a medal is a stretch.. and thats not knocking the guy, even if u are fancied for a medal its still a tough task, and also olympic standard boxers dont always make good pros..

Did somone say michael Carruth?

Grace-xxxxxxx

Knowing Darren .. i know that getting to the olympics is more than going to happen for him .... i do agree on the medal ability and only based on the fact that its not a must for him .... to get to the olympics alone is amazing and will only boost his pro carrer for the bigger signing deal!!:D

Darren hates amature boxing boxing to a computer is bull!! Darren is a proper fighter ,, was never made to pick out the Irish stereotypical "1 shot"..... but he's a man of finishing wot he started ... so to attend the olympics may very well be is as good as it gets 4 him amature wise,medal would be AMAZING! but not needed...... the pro game will show us all what he is made of ..... he talks the talk and backs it up ..... love him or hate him he's entertaining to watch , and my gut tells me we ain't seen nothing yet!!

walshb

Who is he going to beat in the pro's?

How old is Darren now?

24 OR Thereabouts...

What's a success in the pro's?

An Irish title, Eurpoean maybe.


I can't see any major achievements
to be honest, just like I can't see
Duddy or Lee doing anything of significance.

They are all just not good enough....

Grace-xxxxxxx

Laughing my ass off !!!

Im confused as to how you are by Darrens , Lee's or any boxers achievements left some what un-impressed??

Does it really matter how far he goes as a pro ?? can you not understand that maybe its enough for these guys to compete at the level they do and im sure all will admit that they will ride it out until its just not working for them anymore .....

Or maybe coming from the boxers " Irish supporters" they have to be #1 from the get go and all through their carrer ... and to finish off by boxing on their death bed before they get credit ???

Again im left to visualise a some what sad amount of people let down by their own lack of achievements ...which in turn gives them need to slate others that are doing well ??

On a happy note Darren certainly gets people talking which im sure will get him plenty of ticket sales and fights as a pro in the future !!

walshb

Grace-xxxxxxx wrote: »

Laughing my ass off !!!

Im confused as to how you are by Darrens , Lee's or any boxers achievements left some what un-impressed??

Does it really matter how far he goes as a pro ?? can you not understand that maybe its enough for these guys to compete at the level they do and im sure all will admit that they will ride it out until its just not working for them anymore .....

Or maybe coming from the boxers " Irish supporters" they have to be #1 from the get go and all through their carrer ... and to finish off by boxing on their death bed before they get credit ???

Again im left to visualise a some what sad amount of people let down by their own lack of achievements ...which in turn gives them need to slate others that are doing well ??

On a happy note Darren certainly gets people talking which im sure will get him plenty of ticket sales and fights as a pro in the future !!

I obviously misinterpreted you. By pro, you didn't necessarily mean a good
and fairly successful pro. You meant just a pro?

Both Lee and Darren were and are good amateurs.

See I was under the impression that you
had a feeling that Darren would make a good pro with
a fair amount of success. I personally think he
will not go far in the pro game. But if just competing
as a pro is all you want, then yes, Darren will compete...

Grace-xxxxxxx

You took your time but that was entertaining .... kinda??:rolleyes:

I never mentioned how far he would go ( or not go ) as that would be sooooo very stupid!

As far as boxing goes ur only as good as your next fight....and each of these boys are aware of that ... countings chickens and all that!!?? ..... so il break it down for you...

How far does any boxer in this country have to go until he gets support ??

Gold medals don't seem to do it ?? going to the olympics doesn't do it for many either ??

Irish people just love to wish eachother well !! .... its a beautiful thing really

walshb

You are confusing support with belief and realistic hopes of success.
I have been supporting our fighters for years
and always will and I believe every single one of them is
a credit to this country. Now, does this mean I should be
expecting gold medals and world titles from them all?

I don't think at this moment there is any one fighter in
Ireland who has a realistic chance of world success, whether
it be the pro or amateur game.

So Darren has my support as he and others always have....

You didn't say specifically how well you expected Darren to do, so I think
a pass is in order for myself. I assumed you thought Darren
would do well and be a success as a pro. By success I also assumed
a world beater or European champ.

So let's agree to disagree on this..

We both want Darren to do well

It's that simple.....

Grace-xxxxxxx

My reasons i suppose for not putting out my expections and beliefs for his success is very simple ..... we all remember his eye injury??

Well if we do ... i for one realise more than ever how quick stuff can go down the toilet for these guys, boxing is risky ...Amature is beyond unreliable and just as easy as they get injured they can also get lucky ...get brilliant draws in major tournaments and in turn get titles they don't sometimes deserve....

As for his pro career , with good management and trainers i believe we could be looking at a champion in Sutherland... he's a long way off @ the moment and its not his focus right now but the boy has a natural ability as a fighter and he's on his way

Excuse me if we misunderstood eachother ,, i just give credit when its due and the whole Darren Sutherland issue since the seniors has irritated me ..... The public gave him an awfull time

dbrady01

im sure like myself everyone on here and any true amature boxing fan in ireland would love us to have a 5 or 6 man squad heading out to china including darren because he is one of our top boxers but the chances are paddy barnes will be going alone which i think is sad because the high performance program is a fantastic idea but perhaps it wont be till 2012 when it begins to bear fruit.

If and when sutherland turns pro i am sure he will get the same support as dunne, lee and duddy get regardless of what happened at the seniors ( the booing ). There is plenty of irish pro boxers in england america and eleswere who will never get a title shot never mind win one. With the right team behind him sutherland might go as far as a euro title fight but regardless best of luck to him i know ill support him and as i said im sure everyone else will to

Big Ears

walshb wrote: »

Who is he going to beat in the pro's?

How old is Darren now?

24 OR Thereabouts...

What's a success in the pro's?

An Irish title, Eurpoean maybe.


I can't see any major achievements
to be honest, just like I can't see
Duddy or Lee doing anything of significance.

They are all just not good enough....

25 , and with the state of the Middleweight division he could definitely have a chance at being European champ or even winning a version of the World title if someone like Sturm is around . Now this is coming from someone who doesn't think he'll medal at the Olympics and isn't sure he'll even get there(so no bias) but I genuinely think he can do very well in the pros .

At present I can't see either Duddy or Lee being the true middleweight champ . Lee for all his potential will have to develop an inside game and show he can tough things out when he really has to . He's fighting Brian Vera in March which is a decent step up and will show us a little about that . Lee could possibly become World Champ if he lives up to potential but there are so many things that could go wrong or be found out about him that right now you can't be sure how well he's going to do in his career .

Duddy is a bit more of an open and shut case , John is top 10 in the World(deservedly) , he could become European champ or beat someone like Sturm for an alphabet title , he could lose to Sylvester or lose to Sturm .
He will fight for the Middleweight title and he will most likely put up a brave showing in defeat .

What I have to ask Walshb is what you deem significant , John is top 10 in the World he is going to fight for the true World title(although almost certainly going to lose) and is capable of winning a version of the World title .
John can attract a crowd of 20,000 people to Madison Square Garden(alright he hasn't done it yet but you can believe he is capable of it)
In modern boxing , John Duddy is significant .

walshb

Grace-xxxxxxx wrote: »

My reasons i suppose for not putting out my expections and beliefs for his success is very simple ..... we all remember his eye injury??

Well if we do ... i for one realise more than ever how quick stuff can go down the toilet for these guys, boxing is risky ...Amature is beyond unreliable and just as easy as they get injured they can also get lucky ...get brilliant draws in major tournaments and in turn get titles they don't sometimes deserve....

As for his pro career , with good management and trainers i believe we could be looking at a champion in Sutherland... he's a long way off @ the moment and its not his focus right now but the boy has a natural ability as a fighter and he's on his way

Excuse me if we misunderstood eachother ,, i just give credit when its due and the whole Darren Sutherland issue since the seniors has irritated me ..... The public gave him an awfull time

Can you elaborate a little on how the public gave hi
an awful time. Are you referring to the booing in
the stadium following his interview?

I thought he was a little arrogant and whiney to be honest....

Big Ears

walshb wrote: »

Can you elaborate a little on how the public gave hi
an awful time. Are you referring to the booing in
the stadium following his interview?

I thought he was a little arrogant and whiney to be honest....

He seems to suffer from Alex Arthur Syndrome , it's where boxers constantly rub people up the wrong way and piss them off without being an actual jackass .
For instance Arthur once said it'd be great that this title defence(European title defence v Gulyakevich) would put him up there with Ken Buchanan .
Now many people interpreted this as Arthur saying he is up there with Buchanan(Scotland's best ever fighter) in terms of quality where what he actually meant was that he'd have defended his European title as many times as the great Ken Buchanan had his and that it was an honour to do so .

Sutherland doesn't seem like a bad lad , but the way he says stuff certainly does piss people off .

walshb

Agreed, it's his way of going about things. He seemed whiney to me
in that interview and a little disrespectful to O'Neill..

I'm better, I'm better, I'm better attitude...

I think he lacks that bit of humility and it shows....

Grace-xxxxxxx

HeY that is so not how it was!!

Sutherland has the upmost respect for o'niell ....... Darren was iorning out the facts while all the people in the stadium booed him 4 his victory.Did anybody read the papers on the run up to the fight ??... all giving O'niell the edge as if he was the better guy for the job .....

Obviously not!!!

To step in the ring is difficult but to step in the ring and fight not only ur opponent but the crowd is a totally different story !!!

I don't blame Darren for getting big headed ... end of the day he owns the medal ...... people on the night in the interview after the fight wer more concerned with how O'niell felt ........ if u watch the fight back on rte's archives u will see how little congratulations Sutherland got

Thats not fair !! If O'niell had won - bloody hell the papers would be jammed with congratulations !!! So If Darren comes across like he was upset ?? makin out like he was better ??? the facts are Darren won !!!!! so what if he is giving himself credit ??? he DESERVES credit!!!!!

He fought his fight and won ..... against ignorant people

just learn to give credit when its due ...... and as for Darren and O'niell they have nothing but respect for eachother ... as sutherland said we have two brilliant fighters at middle weight ... who compete all over the world .... they do us proud !!

be nice people for goodness sake!

akindoc

Something tells me this "Grace" is a little more connected to Sutherland that she lets on, if you know what I mean :cool:

Nobody is disputing the fact that he trained hard and won the fight. Fair play to the guy for that and I thought he did well. But he did come accross very unlikeable and was almost attacking the crowd. He was overqualifying himself to the crowd and seeking their approval "I've trained hard over christmas" "people should be happy theres two world class middleweights etc". Look, people are not stupid and comments like that won't endear him to anyone. He needs to take a PR 101 class.

I was a bit disappointed in him to be honest, he applied good pressure but didn't seem to have the boxing acumen needed to beat a good solid fighter with good fundamentals. The likes of Andy Lee when he was winning the middleweight title would have slaughtered Sutherland. Sutherland seemed a bit one dimensional at times in there.

I hope he qualifies, and he has plenty of chances so he very well could.

But he does need to stop his whinning attitude. I was watching the fight with my mother and she said, "Why is he complaining so much" and "He sounds like he is gay".

Although I think "Grace" can disprove that one:D

akindoc

snyper wrote: »

i completely 100% disagree.

Besides who cares.. its boxing not Ms World

I think EVERYONE here wants him to do well, so lets just stop arguing about sh*te!!

AckwelFoley

akindoc wrote: »

I think EVERYONE here wants him to do well, so lets just stop arguing about sh*te!!

This is Ireland.

A nation of begrudging bastards...

JMCD

akindoc wrote: »

Something tells me this "Grace" is a little more connected to Sutherland that she lets on, if you know what I mean :cool:

:D:D I was thinking along the same lines myself seems to have DS tinted sunglasses on! Maybe its Darren himself in disguise!!

jayroyal

JMCD wrote: »

:D:D I was thinking along the same lines myself seems to have DS tinted sunglasses on! Maybe its Darren himself in disguise!!

think your dead on mate

Grace-xxxxxxx

jayroyal wrote: »

think your dead on mate

LAUGHING MY ASS OFF !!!

What a pile of sad individuals......... YEAH im Darren!!! cop urselves on!!

AND.... as for the guy calling him gay:D did u not quote ur mum on that??


give me a break boys!!!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

I was in the stadium and yeah i know Darren (big deal)

he's a good lad !!

such haters .....he'll go the olympics so end of story!....start getting used to him being around... you don't know him so don't judge ....wanna talk about his boxing??....the guy wins ...... give credit!!:p

JMCD

Grace-xxxxxxx wrote: »

LAUGHING MY ASS OFF !!!

What a pile of sad individuals......... YEAH im Darren!!! cop urselves on!!

AND.... as for the guy calling him gay:D did u not quote ur mum on that??


give me a break boys!!!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

I was in the stadium and yeah i know Darren (big deal)

he's a good lad !!

such haters .....he'll go the olympics so end of story!....start getting used to him being around... you don't know him so don't judge ....wanna talk about his boxing??....the guy wins ...... give credit!!:p

We know that Darren is a good boxer I dont think anyone questioned that.

And I dont think there is anybody here hating him.......Id have a bet that everyone wishes he does go to the olympics and he does get a medal but people dont think he will because he is good just not that good.

I think what people are saying that yes he is a good boxer.......

But...........

Is he good enough to get to the olympics?........Time will tell

Would he be good enough to get a medal if he got there........IMO No but I hope he does....

Is he as good as he thinks?............Again in my opinion no.

He has done an awful lot of taking and I think thats what rubs ppl up the wrong way.......its got nothing to do with his boxing ability.Its time for him to put up or shut up!

But I honestly wish him all the success!

Grace-xxxxxxx

With regards to his boxing ability .... everyone is entitled to their opinion ..... I don't have any problem with that- but!!!

The " hating" thing is an issue.... you say nobody is?? well have a look back over the comments .... I feel everybody took him up totally wrong and the only thing i put that down to is the simple fact nobody on this thing actually knows the guy .... if they did they would understand where his speech came from on the night .....

To be honest i've spent more time than needed explaining my point on this ...everytime i finish clearin up something ...somebody else has something smart to say about his speech?

At this point i couldn't care less what anybody thinks.....

Is anybody on this in his shoes ??....em no!!

So as for the PR lessons suggestion (nice and all as that was)... i think Darren should concentrate on his training

At the end of the day none of these boxers are in the gym 6 days a week 4 any of you ... they do it for themselves .... and when they speak i seriously doubt they worry what your gonna think!

end of story ..... :cool:

Grace-xxxxxxx

As for wishing him well ..... im glad to see there is still a few decent people out there!

akindoc

well lads, seems i was right, grace-xxxxxxx is sutherlands girlfriend!

http://upload.bebo.com/Profile.jsp?MemberId=3937476625

Some coinsidence that they both have 7 x's after their name?

All I can say is, the lads done well for himself!

GO DARREN!!:D:D

The new Posh and Becks?


LOL

akindoc

You have to love google and bebo.

Grace-xxxxxxx

I don't believe you just put my profile info out there ....:eek:

anyways , I still stand by my point ......

Darren's boxing , medal ability etc..... knock urself out tryin to predict ...fact is nobody knows for sure ??

He is a great person.. and all im saying is "I KNOW" everyone took his speech up wrong

Thats it detective!